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Kemi-kaze does it again as punters abandon her – politicalbetting.com

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Anabobazina

She's blown it. No surprise really – her purported appeal was lost on me and, it seems, almost everyone else.

stodge

Evening all

Not sure quite how we find space for 50,000 additional prisoners given the disaster that was Conservative prison policy.

kle4

I've only been dipping in and out of the Tory leadership contest, I've just kind of assumed Jenrick would win. Apparetly punters think the same, though I cannot really put my finger on why he is the more popular choice.

TheScreamingEagles

kle4 said:

I've only been dipping in and out of the Tory leadership contest, I've just kind of assumed Jenrick would win. Apparetly punters think the same, though I cannot really put my finger on why he is the more popular choice.

Because he's a lawyer.

rottenborough

How is he proposing to house these 50,000 extra prisoners?

Big_G_NorthWales

When do they reduce it to the two going to the membership

I should know but I don't !!!!!!!!!!!!

Clutch_Brompton

I don't know about civil servants but it seems putting 5-10% of politicians in jail might not be far off the mark.

rottenborough

kle4 said:

I've only been dipping in and out of the Tory leadership contest, I've just kind of assumed Jenrick would win. Apparetly punters think the same, though I cannot really put my finger on why he is the more popular choice.

That's down to the membership - a dwindling band of ≈ 100,000 whose judgement in recent years has been a little off to say the least.

They will vote for the most red meat fantasy politics candidate of the two put before them it seems.

But maybe somehow sense will prevail and Cleverly will make it.

Leon

Is this a NEW THREADS?

TheScreamingEagles

Big_G_NorthWales said:

When do they reduce it to the two going to the membership

I should know but I don't !!!!!!!!!!!!

Rounds three and four are next Wednesday and Thursday.

williamglenn

The clever money is not going on Kemi.

rottenborough

Anabobazina said:

She's blown it. No surprise really – her purported appeal was lost on me and, it seems, almost everyone else.

As I have posted before - just not ready for prime time. Needs more time to learn to keep her batwing mad thoughts in her head and not on a journo's recording device.

But then again - the tory position is so dire, maybe rolling the dice with her might work out?

At least everyone in UK would know who she is by time of next election as there is one outrage after another.

TheScreamingEagles

Leon said:

Is this a NEW THREADS?

Well I am based in Sheffield...

Gaussian

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

I've only been dipping in and out of the Tory leadership contest, I've just kind of assumed Jenrick would win. Apparetly punters think the same, though I cannot really put my finger on why he is the more popular choice.

Because he's a lawyer.

Yeah, they need to fight fire with fire. Or indeed boring crooked lawyer with boring crooked lawyer.

Alphabet_Soup

Leon said:

Is this a NEW THREADS?

Less horrifying ... so far.

Leon

Alphabet_Soup said:

Leon said:

Is this a NEW THREADS?

Less horrifying ... so far.

Indeed, so far

But if this is it, my God that is pathetic

The whole of social media is full of pro-Hezbollah, Shiite militant, Israel-hating rabid dogs screaming for Iran to finally take proper revenge, SMITE the Jewish state. avenge all the terrible humiliations,. from the pagers to the assassinations and now the invasion... and.... this is it???

They are not happy. They are very unhappy. Iran looks like a damp paper tiger scared of its smartphone

Could be a regime-toppler

Clutch_Brompton

A little US polling fun on the prediction of those companies polling at least 6 of the 7 key states

Trafalgar (Very Rep bias) - Trump 291, Harris 232, Tied 15
Patriot (Very Rep bias) - Trump 281, Harris 241, Tied 16
InsiderAdvantage (Leans Rep) - Trump 275, Harris 252, Tied 11
AtlasIntel (Rep bias) - Trump 274, Harris 248, Tied 16
Siena (Neutral) - Trump 262, Harris 255, Tied 21
Emerson (Neutral) - Trump 256, Harris 241, Tied 41
Redfield & Wilton (British) - Trump 251, Harris 241, Tied 46
Marist (Neutral) - Harris 251, Trump 246, Tied 41
CNN / SSRS (Neutral) - Harris 273, Trump 230, Tied 35
YouGov (Neutral) - Harris 276, Trump 262
Morning Consult (Leans Dem) - Harris 303, Trump 219, Tied 16
Focaldata (British) - Harris 303, Trumpo 235

So that is the (very tight) state of the polling. I suspect the sstate of the actual race may be somewhat different but we shall see

williamglenn

The most unrealistic thing about Threads is that the survivors didn't clean up the debris even decades after the attack.

Sunil_Prasannan

TheScreamingEagles said:

kle4 said:

I've only been dipping in and out of the Tory leadership contest, I've just kind of assumed Jenrick would win. Apparetly punters think the same, though I cannot really put my finger on why he is the more popular choice.

Because he's a lawyer.

"I don't believe it. You're meant to come down here and defend me against these characters and the only one I've got on my side is the blood-sucking lawyer!"

Clutch_Brompton

Leon said:

Alphabet_Soup said:

Leon said:

Is this a NEW THREADS?

Less horrifying ... so far.

Indeed, so far

But if this is it, my God that is pathetic

The whole of social media is full of pro-Hezbollah, Shiite militant, Israel-hating rabid dogs screaming for Iran to finally take proper revenge, SMITE the Jewish state. avenge all the terrible humiliations,. from the pagers to the assassinations and now the invasion... and.... this is it???

They are not happy. They are very unhappy. Iran looks like a damp paper tiger scared of its smartphone

Could be a regime-toppler

I'll take that prospect seriously only after Iran has cut off all social media

Alphabet_Soup

williamglenn said:

The most unrealistic thing about Threads is that the survivors didn't clean up the debris even decades after the attack.

Mad Max is the same. They just use it for scenery.

Cookie

Alphabet_Soup said:

williamglenn said:

The most unrealistic thing about Threads is that the survivors didn't clean up the debris even decades after the attack.

Mad Max is the same. They just use it for scenery.

Weren't there bomb sites in many British cities 20-30 years after WW2? Because noone really wanted the land?

Leon

Cookie said:

Alphabet_Soup said:

williamglenn said:

The most unrealistic thing about Threads is that the survivors didn't clean up the debris even decades after the attack.

Mad Max is the same. They just use it for scenery.

Weren't there bomb sites in many British cities 20-30 years after WW2? Because noone really wanted the land?

I can remember a rare few from the early 80s. Literal bomb sites. Weird blocks in an otherwise mildly-desirable corner of Central London that no one had got around to fixing up. And still full of rubble (behind placards)

williamglenn

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

Taz

Cookie said:

Alphabet_Soup said:

williamglenn said:

The most unrealistic thing about Threads is that the survivors didn't clean up the debris even decades after the attack.

Mad Max is the same. They just use it for scenery.

Weren't there bomb sites in many British cities 20-30 years after WW2? Because noone really wanted the land?

Yup, watch some dramas from the time and they crop up, even in the early seventies. NCP started off buying up bomb sites and making them car parks.

Cookie

What? 5-10% of civil servants is 50,000 people? That can'tbe right, surely?

Richard_Tyndall

Cookie said:

Alphabet_Soup said:

williamglenn said:

The most unrealistic thing about Threads is that the survivors didn't clean up the debris even decades after the attack.

Mad Max is the same. They just use it for scenery.

Weren't there bomb sites in many British cities 20-30 years after WW2? Because noone really wanted the land?

Yep. Some sites still existed into the early 80s in less popular (for redevelopment) parts of London. The makers of The Sweeney used to make use of some of them in the mid 70s when there were still piles of rubble around.

rottenborough

Leon said:

Cookie said:

Alphabet_Soup said:

williamglenn said:

The most unrealistic thing about Threads is that the survivors didn't clean up the debris even decades after the attack.

Mad Max is the same. They just use it for scenery.

Weren't there bomb sites in many British cities 20-30 years after WW2? Because noone really wanted the land?

I can remember a rare few from the early 80s. Literal bomb sites. Weird blocks in an otherwise mildly-desirable corner of Central London that no one had got around to fixing up. And still full of rubble (behind placards)

As I student in 1980s Leeds bedsit land (you know the song) there were weird little patches of empty rubble strewn ground like this but not boarded up.

noneoftheabove

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

Are the other 90-95% going to be re-assigned to prison building projects?

algarkirk

Leon said:

Alphabet_Soup said:

Leon said:

Is this a NEW THREADS?

Less horrifying ... so far.

Indeed, so far

But if this is it, my God that is pathetic

The whole of social media is full of pro-Hezbollah, Shiite militant, Israel-hating rabid dogs screaming for Iran to finally take proper revenge, SMITE the Jewish state. avenge all the terrible humiliations,. from the pagers to the assassinations and now the invasion... and.... this is it???

They are not happy. They are very unhappy. Iran looks like a damp paper tiger scared of its smartphone

Could be a regime-toppler

From my rural and provincial perch it seems to me that centrist sentiment is slowly and slightly moving back towards Israel.

Be that as it may, it also seems to me that an interesting test is being conducted, perhaps consciously by Israel.

The Palestinian cause has apparently huge global backing, and Iran the principal backer, is part of a huge global power network. The Arab world, the Islamic world (all factions more or less), Russia, China, and others too support the cause in the form of a one state or two state solution. Collectively this is gigantic militarily and economically. Israel has no friends immediately adjacent and NATO is looking another direction.

However they have all been remarkably backward in coming forward to do anything useful to further the cause in military or other terms.

I think Israel has decided to call that global bluff and see what happens.

(Full disclosure: I'm a woolly liberal supporting a two state solution with UN responsibility for peace keeping).

TheScreamingEagles

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

Have you not read the header?

Richard_Tyndall

Cookie said:

What? 5-10% of civil servants is 50,000 people? That can'tbe right, surely?

According to the Institute for Government as of March 2024, there were 510,665 full-time equivalent (FTE) civil servants. But what that includes I don't know.

Malmesbury

Cookie said:

Alphabet_Soup said:

williamglenn said:

The most unrealistic thing about Threads is that the survivors didn't clean up the debris even decades after the attack.

Mad Max is the same. They just use it for scenery.

Weren't there bomb sites in many British cities 20-30 years after WW2? Because noone really wanted the land?

More about low land value vs the issues of building on a bomb site.

A chap I knew inherited a South London bomb site that had been used for various business. With light buildings (ports cabins) on it at the end.

He rebuilt it as the 3 missing houses in terrace.

Apparently the first thing they did was dig out all the infill and disturbed layers. Partly to check for any unexplored stuff and partly because of settlement concerns. So he did deep basements for the new houses. Once you have a hole….

noneoftheabove

TheScreamingEagles said:

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

Have you not read the header?

Whats a header?

JosiasJessop

Richard_Tyndall said:

Cookie said:

Alphabet_Soup said:

williamglenn said:

The most unrealistic thing about Threads is that the survivors didn't clean up the debris even decades after the attack.

Mad Max is the same. They just use it for scenery.

Weren't there bomb sites in many British cities 20-30 years after WW2? Because noone really wanted the land?

Yep. Some sites still existed into the early 80s in less popular (for redevelopment) parts of London. The makers of The Sweeney used to make use of some of them in the mid 70s when there were still piles of rubble around.

It took about the same time for London to fully recover from the Great Fire in 1666 as it did from the Blitz. About fifty years. Though the Great Fire was more extensive, but more localised, than the Blitz.

Taz

Richard_Tyndall said:

Cookie said:

Alphabet_Soup said:

williamglenn said:

The most unrealistic thing about Threads is that the survivors didn't clean up the debris even decades after the attack.

Mad Max is the same. They just use it for scenery.

Weren't there bomb sites in many British cities 20-30 years after WW2? Because noone really wanted the land?

Yep. Some sites still existed into the early 80s in less popular (for redevelopment) parts of London. The makers of The Sweeney used to make use of some of them in the mid 70s when there were still piles of rubble around.

Yes, I was thinking specifically of the Euston films series Sweeney and Special Branch in my post. There used to be an excellent web page that had for each sweeney episode locations then and now.

A few places have not changed.

Alphabet_Soup

Cookie said:

Alphabet_Soup said:

williamglenn said:

The most unrealistic thing about Threads is that the survivors didn't clean up the debris even decades after the attack.

Mad Max is the same. They just use it for scenery.

Weren't there bomb sites in many British cities 20-30 years after WW2? Because noone really wanted the land?

There were quite few in London in the early 70s. They built the Barbican Centre on one of the biggest but many of the smaller ones were used as pop-up car parks.

DecrepiterJohnL

JosiasJessop said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Cookie said:

Alphabet_Soup said:

williamglenn said:

The most unrealistic thing about Threads is that the survivors didn't clean up the debris even decades after the attack.

Mad Max is the same. They just use it for scenery.

Weren't there bomb sites in many British cities 20-30 years after WW2? Because noone really wanted the land?

Yep. Some sites still existed into the early 80s in less popular (for redevelopment) parts of London. The makers of The Sweeney used to make use of some of them in the mid 70s when there were still piles of rubble around.

It took about the same time for London to fully recover from the Great Fire in 1666 as it did from the Blitz. About fifty years. Though the Great Fire was more extensive, but more localised, than the Blitz.

It used to be a fairly common joke: we thank Hermann Goering for our National Car Parks.

Nigelb

I'm willing to believe that half a dozen MPs might, theoretically, belong in jail.
Perhaps even a handful of individuals in the civil service, if only by the law of averages.

50k civil servants ?
That's the idle dream of a would be authoritarian.

Sunil_Prasannan

Anabobazina said:

She's blown it. No surprise really – her purported appeal was lost on me and, it seems, almost everyone else.

KEMI

Malmesbury

DecrepiterJohnL said:

JosiasJessop said:

Richard_Tyndall said:

Cookie said:

Alphabet_Soup said:

williamglenn said:

The most unrealistic thing about Threads is that the survivors didn't clean up the debris even decades after the attack.

Mad Max is the same. They just use it for scenery.

Weren't there bomb sites in many British cities 20-30 years after WW2? Because noone really wanted the land?

Yep. Some sites still existed into the early 80s in less popular (for redevelopment) parts of London. The makers of The Sweeney used to make use of some of them in the mid 70s when there were still piles of rubble around.

It took about the same time for London to fully recover from the Great Fire in 1666 as it did from the Blitz. About fifty years. Though the Great Fire was more extensive, but more localised, than the Blitz.

It used to be a fairly common joke: we thank Hermann Goering for our National Car Parks.

The full version was The Herman Goering Urban Redevelopment Company.

Foss

williamglenn said:

The most unrealistic thing about Threads is that the survivors didn't clean up the debris even decades after the attack.

The entire nation would be under 7ft of Japanese knotweed.

DecrepiterJohnL

Anabobazina said:

She's blown it. No surprise really – her purported appeal was lost on me and, it seems, almost everyone else.

Me too.

But then you look at the other three, and...

williamglenn

TheScreamingEagles said:

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

Have you not read the header?

I've put my footer in it.

biggles

Nigelb said:

I'm willing to believe that half a dozen MPs might, theoretically, belong in jail.
Perhaps even a handful of individuals in the civil service, if only by the law of averages.

50k civil servants ?
That's the idle dream of a would be authoritarian.

If she had said 50,000 should be sacked, it would be extreme but one could make an argument based on the classic big four model of chopping the bottom 10%. But for her mind to go straight to imprisonment? Bonkers.

Andy_JS

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

She certainly isn't holding back.

Nigelb

Leon said:

Alphabet_Soup said:

Leon said:

Is this a NEW THREADS?

Less horrifying ... so far.

Indeed, so far

But if this is it, my God that is pathetic

The whole of social media is full of pro-Hezbollah, Shiite militant, Israel-hating rabid dogs screaming for Iran to finally take proper revenge, SMITE the Jewish state. avenge all the terrible humiliations,. from the pagers to the assassinations and now the invasion... and.... this is it???

They are not happy. They are very unhappy. Iran looks like a damp paper tiger scared of its smartphone

Could be a regime-toppler

It could; the Iranian regime is hardly popular with its own people.
But it could equally have the opposite effect.

The assassination of Hezbollah leaders in Lebanon will have the tacit approval of quite a few. A large scale attack on Iran is something else again.

Stuartinromford

rottenborough said:

Anabobazina said:

She's blown it. No surprise really – her purported appeal was lost on me and, it seems, almost everyone else.

As I have posted before - just not ready for prime time. Needs more time to learn to keep her batwing mad thoughts in her head and not on a journo's recording device.

But then again - the tory position is so dire, maybe rolling the dice with her might work out?

At least everyone in UK would know who she is by time of next election as there is one outrage after another.

Trouble is, if KB learns not to say the first transatlantic right-wing thing that comes into her head, what's left of her?

"Saying what she thinks" is the core of her appeal.

noneoftheabove

biggles said:

Nigelb said:

I'm willing to believe that half a dozen MPs might, theoretically, belong in jail.
Perhaps even a handful of individuals in the civil service, if only by the law of averages.

50k civil servants ?
That's the idle dream of a would be authoritarian.

If she had said 50,000 should be sacked, it would be extreme but one could make an argument based on the classic big four model of chopping the bottom 10%. But for her mind to go straight to imprisonment? Bonkers.

To be fair she doesn't think 50,000 of them should be in jail. She thinks todays politicians can say what they want, without it being accurate, or even true, as long as they indicate whose side they are on. She might be right.

DecrepiterJohnL

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

When do they reduce it to the two going to the membership

I should know but I don't !!!!!!!!!!!!

Rounds three and four are next Wednesday and Thursday.

And then the final two go to the party in the country, but only after they've paid another £150,000 to CCHQ, so don't be surprised when one of them drops out and the members don't get a vote, as when Andrea Leadsom withdrew against Theresa May.

Big_G_NorthWales

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

When do they reduce it to the two going to the membership

I should know but I don't !!!!!!!!!!!!

Rounds three and four are next Wednesday and Thursday.

Thank you

biggles

I have held my Cleverly position because I think only he and Tugendhat are capable of anything like a Cameron-esque speech tomorrow, and Tugendhat is 50% too French to win given the voters.

noneoftheabove

DecrepiterJohnL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

When do they reduce it to the two going to the membership

I should know but I don't !!!!!!!!!!!!

Rounds three and four are next Wednesday and Thursday.

And then the final two go to the party in the country, but only after they've paid another £150,000 to CCHQ, so don't be surprised when one of them drops out and the members don't get a vote, as when Andrea Leadsom withdrew against Theresa May.

I am sure all those bothered by Starmers expensive socks will be giving great scrutiny on the provenence of the £150k's.

biggles

DecrepiterJohnL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

When do they reduce it to the two going to the membership

I should know but I don't !!!!!!!!!!!!

Rounds three and four are next Wednesday and Thursday.

And then the final two go to the party in the country, but only after they've paid another £150,000 to CCHQ, so don't be surprised when one of them drops out and the members don't get a vote, as when Andrea Leadsom withdrew against Theresa May.

Eh? £150k? Wow. What possible justification is there for that?

Anabobazina

Andy_JS said:

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

She certainly isn't holding back.

Kemi is the New TRUSS. I think the Tories look like dodging a massive bullet here.

Luckyguy1983

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

Dropping truth bombs again.

biggles

Anabobazina said:

Andy_JS said:

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

She certainly isn't holding back.

Kemi is the New TRUSS. I think the Tories look like dodging a massive bullet here.

To be fair, in that sense their mega-long campaign does seem to have helped them.

RochdalePioneers

There is still time for Badenoch to win over Tory members. 50k civil servants sent to jail for being woke is only a start. Tory members need to be told sensible Conservative policy ideas. Take children away from the unemployed perhaps. Give upper rate tax payers asylum seekers as indentured slaves. Quit the Geneva Convention. You know. Moderate common sense policies

Richard_Tyndall

RochdalePioneers said:

There is still time for Badenoch to win over Tory members. 50k civil servants sent to jail for being woke is only a start. Tory members need to be told sensible Conservative policy ideas. Take children away from the unemployed perhaps. Give upper rate tax payers asylum seekers as indentured slaves. Quit the Geneva Convention. You know. Moderate common sense policies

You forgot the compulsory serving of Asparagus at breakfast! Call yourself a Tory!!?

Oh.... sorry got carried away and forgot

RochdalePioneers

biggles said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

When do they reduce it to the two going to the membership

I should know but I don't !!!!!!!!!!!!

Rounds three and four are next Wednesday and Thursday.

And then the final two go to the party in the country, but only after they've paid another £150,000 to CCHQ, so don't be surprised when one of them drops out and the members don't get a vote, as when Andrea Leadsom withdrew against Theresa May.

Eh? £150k? Wow. What possible justification is there for that?

Justification? This is the Tory party!

LostPassword

Bearing in mind that a short leadership election campaign would quite likely have seen Badenoch elected at leader, perhaps those who have complained about the length of this campaign should think again.

biggles

RochdalePioneers said:

There is still time for Badenoch to win over Tory members. 50k civil servants sent to jail for being woke is only a start. Tory members need to be told sensible Conservative policy ideas. Take children away from the unemployed perhaps. Give upper rate tax payers asylum seekers as indentured slaves. Quit the Geneva Convention. You know. Moderate common sense policies

Obviously they would never do anything as silly as call for national service though. That’s inconceivable.

rottenborough

Luckyguy1983 said:

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

Dropping truth bombs again.

No doubt she has been "misrepresented" by the media yet again.

rottenborough

biggles said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

When do they reduce it to the two going to the membership

I should know but I don't !!!!!!!!!!!!

Rounds three and four are next Wednesday and Thursday.

And then the final two go to the party in the country, but only after they've paid another £150,000 to CCHQ, so don't be surprised when one of them drops out and the members don't get a vote, as when Andrea Leadsom withdrew against Theresa May.

Eh? £150k? Wow. What possible justification is there for that?

If Parly is recalled thanks to the mad mullahs - can this be the excuse to bring forward the tory contest by a few days and thereby allow Cleverly to be facing Reeves when she delivers nightmare on 11 downing street budget???

Luckyguy1983

rottenborough said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

Dropping truth bombs again.

No doubt she has been "misrepresented" by the media yet again.

You don't think between 5 and 10 percent of civil servants are very bad?

RochdalePioneers

Richard_Tyndall said:

RochdalePioneers said:

There is still time for Badenoch to win over Tory members. 50k civil servants sent to jail for being woke is only a start. Tory members need to be told sensible Conservative policy ideas. Take children away from the unemployed perhaps. Give upper rate tax payers asylum seekers as indentured slaves. Quit the Geneva Convention. You know. Moderate common sense policies

You forgot the compulsory serving of Asparagus at breakfast! Call yourself a Tory!!?

Oh.... sorry got carried away and forgot

Or the most outrageous Piers Fletcher-Dervish threat off The New Statesman: “Make them drink tap water!!!”

Anabobazina

biggles said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

When do they reduce it to the two going to the membership

I should know but I don't !!!!!!!!!!!!

Rounds three and four are next Wednesday and Thursday.

And then the final two go to the party in the country, but only after they've paid another £150,000 to CCHQ, so don't be surprised when one of them drops out and the members don't get a vote, as when Andrea Leadsom withdrew against Theresa May.

Eh? £150k? Wow. What possible justification is there for that?

Is that actually true? Surely not?

Nigelb

Luckyguy1983 said:

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

Dropping truth bombs again.

"New Truss" judgment confirmed.

rottenborough

biggles said:

I have held my Cleverly position because I think only he and Tugendhat are capable of anything like a Cameron-esque speech tomorrow, and Tugendhat is 50% too French to win given the voters.

Oh good point. I had forgotten they have one more pitch tomorrow.

Tory-boy will attempt without notes I suspect.

rottenborough

Andy_JS said:

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

She certainly isn't holding back.

Sounds a bit Dom Cummings to me.

biggles

rottenborough said:

Andy_JS said:

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

She certainly isn't holding back.

Sounds a bit Dom Cummings to me.

No, she didn’t take 34,000 words to say it via an impenetrable blog post.

kinabalu

noneoftheabove said:

biggles said:

Nigelb said:

I'm willing to believe that half a dozen MPs might, theoretically, belong in jail.
Perhaps even a handful of individuals in the civil service, if only by the law of averages.

50k civil servants ?
That's the idle dream of a would be authoritarian.

If she had said 50,000 should be sacked, it would be extreme but one could make an argument based on the classic big four model of chopping the bottom 10%. But for her mind to go straight to imprisonment? Bonkers.

To be fair she doesn't think 50,000 of them should be in jail. She thinks todays politicians can say what they want, without it being accurate, or even true, as long as they indicate whose side they are on. She might be right.

Yes. She's doing that "speaking your mind" thing. Boy am I weary of that. Just blurting stuff out doesn't equal authenticity.

kle4

williamglenn said:

The most unrealistic thing about Threads is that the survivors didn't clean up the debris even decades after the attack.

Fits in with every post apocalyptic video game ever made. Sure, the world of Fallout is a disaster, but I'm to believe no one thought about throwing up a coat of paint at some point in the last 200 years?

rcs1000

Luckyguy1983 said:

rottenborough said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

Dropping truth bombs again.

No doubt she has been "misrepresented" by the media yet again.

You don't think between 5 and 10 percent of civil servants are very bad?

I think it's more the "should be in prison" that people will take issue with. The bar for incarcerating people is - one would hope - a high one.

Stuartinromford

biggles said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

When do they reduce it to the two going to the membership

I should know but I don't !!!!!!!!!!!!

Rounds three and four are next Wednesday and Thursday.

And then the final two go to the party in the country, but only after they've paid another £150,000 to CCHQ, so don't be surprised when one of them drops out and the members don't get a vote, as when Andrea Leadsom withdrew against Theresa May.

Eh? £150k? Wow. What possible justification is there for that?

It's £400k across the final four candidates. (£50k for a conference slot and then £150k if you're in the final.)

One of the great unknowns- how much is this pony and trap show costing the party to run? If you told me £3-£4 per member, I'd be surprised but not that surprised. And presumably the party manages its own finances with the same prudence that have managed the nation's in recent years.

RochdalePioneers

The party demolished by the voters because of their egregious corruption and disconnection from normality thinks it’s perfectly sensible for their leadership contenders to need to pay 200 large in non-sequential £20s

Taz

IDF - we will attack strongly throughout the Middle East tonight.

Presume this is a legit site.

https://x.com/n12news/status/1841184016688357766?s=61

kle4

Luckyguy1983 said:

rottenborough said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

Dropping truth bombs again.

No doubt she has been "misrepresented" by the media yet again.

You don't think between 5 and 10 percent of civil servants are very bad?

That seems a sound ratio. But it depends on the definition of very bad being used, I doubt 5-10% are belong in prison bad. I find it hard to believe the rate of criminality is that high in the civil service even if it is above average.

Nigelb

williamglenn said:

The most unrealistic thing about Threads is that the survivors didn't clean up the debris even decades after the attack.

Wasn't it filmed in the 70s ?
Fairly true to life, then. 😏

rcs1000

Nigelb said:

I'm willing to believe that half a dozen MPs might, theoretically, belong in jail.
Perhaps even a handful of individuals in the civil service, if only by the law of averages.

50k civil servants ?
That's the idle dream of a would be authoritarian.

Hang on: there are 72 LibDem MPs.

If you look at the Liberals of the 1970s and work out what proportion of them should have been in prison, and then apply that proportion to current numbers, you probably get to 50+. And that's just from a single party.

kle4

rcs1000 said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

rottenborough said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

Dropping truth bombs again.

No doubt she has been "misrepresented" by the media yet again.

You don't think between 5 and 10 percent of civil servants are very bad?

I think it's more the "should be in prison" that people will take issue with. The bar for incarcerating people is - one would hope - a high one.

Though promising to lower the bar for incarcerating people is usually pretty popular, in a 'tough on crime' sense.

Of course, that would mean building more prisons, and NIMBYism will win out against all, including a desire to throw the book at people.

biggles

rcs1000 said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

rottenborough said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

Dropping truth bombs again.

No doubt she has been "misrepresented" by the media yet again.

You don't think between 5 and 10 percent of civil servants are very bad?

I think it's more the "should be in prison" that people will take issue with. The bar for incarcerating people is - one would hope - a high one.

Yes. She said one of the things they should be in prison for is “undermining ministers”. That would make Trump blush.

JosiasJessop

rcs1000 said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

rottenborough said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

Dropping truth bombs again.

No doubt she has been "misrepresented" by the media yet again.

You don't think between 5 and 10 percent of civil servants are very bad?

I think it's more the "should be in prison" that people will take issue with. The bar for incarcerating people is - one would hope - a high one.

Yes, it's a rather dramatic expansion of the brain-dead 'sack the lowest-performing 10% of staff' so beloved by techbroes and finbroes.

kle4

biggles said:

rottenborough said:

Andy_JS said:

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

She certainly isn't holding back.

Sounds a bit Dom Cummings to me.

No, she didn’t take 34,000 words to say it via an impenetrable blog post.

I think you mean in a misunderstood genius blog post. He helped with the Brexit campaign, so anything he says must be amazing.

Taz

Nigelb said:

williamglenn said:

The most unrealistic thing about Threads is that the survivors didn't clean up the debris even decades after the attack.

Wasn't it filmed in the 70s ?
Fairly true to life, then. 😏

Eighties. 1983 or 1984.

Stuartinromford

biggles said:

rcs1000 said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

rottenborough said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

Dropping truth bombs again.

No doubt she has been "misrepresented" by the media yet again.

You don't think between 5 and 10 percent of civil servants are very bad?

I think it's more the "should be in prison" that people will take issue with. The bar for incarcerating people is - one would hope - a high one.

Yes. She said one of the things they should be in prison for is “undermining ministers”. That would make Trump blush.

In which case the only thing saving KB from a long stretch in Holloway is her no longer being a minister.

DecrepiterJohnL

Anabobazina said:

biggles said:

DecrepiterJohnL said:

TheScreamingEagles said:

Big_G_NorthWales said:

When do they reduce it to the two going to the membership

I should know but I don't !!!!!!!!!!!!

Rounds three and four are next Wednesday and Thursday.

And then the final two go to the party in the country, but only after they've paid another £150,000 to CCHQ, so don't be surprised when one of them drops out and the members don't get a vote, as when Andrea Leadsom withdrew against Theresa May.

Eh? £150k? Wow. What possible justification is there for that?

Is that actually true? Surely not?

Under the Conservative party’s “pay to play” rules, those who make it to the final four on Tuesday next week will have to hand £50,000 to the party. The two candidates who make it to the final round after the party’s conference in October will have to sign a further cheque for £150,000 to Conservative campaign headquarters.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/sep/05/robert-jenrick-frontrunner-tory-leadership

Read that article on the candidates' fundraising and begin to see why it is the media, not the Conservatives, making the running on Starmer's freebiegate.

Luckyguy1983

rcs1000 said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

rottenborough said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

Dropping truth bombs again.

No doubt she has been "misrepresented" by the media yet again.

You don't think between 5 and 10 percent of civil servants are very bad?

I think it's more the "should be in prison" that people will take issue with. The bar for incarcerating people is - one would hope - a high one.

I agree, but civil servants are agents of the state. If they do a bad job, and potentially their bad job is motivated by a wish to do down the Government of the day or frustrate their plans, that situation is a sticky one to a far greater degree than a lousy cashier or a decorator who leave the pictures up and paints round them. I am not sure all cases of the sort are worthy of a trip to the gaol, but nor can they be tolerated.

Nigelb

rcs1000 said:

Nigelb said:

I'm willing to believe that half a dozen MPs might, theoretically, belong in jail.
Perhaps even a handful of individuals in the civil service, if only by the law of averages.

50k civil servants ?
That's the idle dream of a would be authoritarian.

Hang on: there are 72 LibDem MPs.

If you look at the Liberals of the 1970s and work out what proportion of them should have been in prison, and then apply that proportion to current numbers, you probably get to 50+. And that's just from a single party.

Name names.
(Now, not then.)

rcs1000

kle4 said:

biggles said:

rottenborough said:

Andy_JS said:

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

She certainly isn't holding back.

Sounds a bit Dom Cummings to me.

No, she didn’t take 34,000 words to say it via an impenetrable blog post.

I think you mean in a misunderstood genius blog post. He helped with the Brexit campaign, so anything he says must be amazing.

My respect for Mr Cummings dropped dramatically after I was sat only a few yards from him on a flight to the West Coast. He was shockingly rude to the BA cabin staff.

kle4

Taz said:

IDF - we will attack strongly throughout the Middle East tonight.

Presume this is a legit site.

https://x.com/n12news/status/1841184016688357766?s=61

I thought you had put IDS there for a second, and was quite surprised.

Stuartinromford

JosiasJessop said:

rcs1000 said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

rottenborough said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

Dropping truth bombs again.

No doubt she has been "misrepresented" by the media yet again.

You don't think between 5 and 10 percent of civil servants are very bad?

I think it's more the "should be in prison" that people will take issue with. The bar for incarcerating people is - one would hope - a high one.

Yes, it's a rather dramatic expansion of the brain-dead 'sack the lowest-performing 10% of staff' so beloved by techbroes and finbroes.

Or in some cases, sack ten percent at random as an experiment. Which at least has the merit of cutting out the tedious work of working out who to put on the hit list.

williamglenn

biggles said:

rcs1000 said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

rottenborough said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

Dropping truth bombs again.

No doubt she has been "misrepresented" by the media yet again.

You don't think between 5 and 10 percent of civil servants are very bad?

I think it's more the "should be in prison" that people will take issue with. The bar for incarcerating people is - one would hope - a high one.

Yes. She said one of the things they should be in prison for is “undermining ministers”. That would make Trump blush.

How about hacking Harriet Harman?

Luckyguy1983

rcs1000 said:

kle4 said:

biggles said:

rottenborough said:

Andy_JS said:

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

She certainly isn't holding back.

Sounds a bit Dom Cummings to me.

No, she didn’t take 34,000 words to say it via an impenetrable blog post.

I think you mean in a misunderstood genius blog post. He helped with the Brexit campaign, so anything he says must be amazing.

My respect for Mr Cummings dropped dramatically after I was sat only a few yards from him on a flight to the West Coast. He was shockingly rude to the BA cabin staff.

He also didn't help with the Brexit campaign, that was crap and I believe narrowed the result.

MaxPB

I'll repeat myself from earlier today, I don't think she's a good candidate and is unlikely to ever be one. She has zero maturity of thought. Suggesting that 5-10% of the civil service should be on prison is just laughable and the kind of stuff I'd expect from an anti-establishment sixth former. I'm not exactly a huge fan of the civil service or the job they (don't) do but to suggest they should be imprisoned for it is just idiotic.

She could easily have made a very valid point that she believes that there's too many civil servants who work against elected ministers and there are loads who see it as their duty to block Tory policies and they should be rooted out and moved on. Suggesting jail time for them just makes her look ridiculous.

I like Kemi and think if she had the ability to think for a bit longer before speaking or forming an opinion on something she might be brilliant, as it stands she's just behaving like someone who wants to get a rise out of the people she opposes which isn't a grown up way to lead a party.

rcs1000

Luckyguy1983 said:

rcs1000 said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

rottenborough said:

Luckyguy1983 said:

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

Dropping truth bombs again.

No doubt she has been "misrepresented" by the media yet again.

You don't think between 5 and 10 percent of civil servants are very bad?

I think it's more the "should be in prison" that people will take issue with. The bar for incarcerating people is - one would hope - a high one.

I agree, but civil servants are agents of the state. If they do a bad job, and potentially their bad job is motivated by a wish to do down the Government of the day or frustrate their plans, that situation is a sticky one to a far greater degree than a lousy cashier or a decorator who leave the pictures up and paints round them. I am not sure all cases of the sort are worthy of a trip to the gaol, but nor can they be tolerated.

Yeah, but most civil servants - by number - have very little to do with the actions of ministers. They are junior staff in Swansea dealing with driving license administration.

moonshine

Taz said:

IDF - we will attack strongly throughout the Middle East tonight.

Presume this is a legit site.

https://x.com/n12news/status/1841184016688357766?s=61

Iranians fallen into an obvious trap looks like.

rcs1000

MaxPB said:

I'll repeat myself from earlier today, I don't think she's a good candidate and is unlikely to ever be one. She has zero maturity of thought. Suggesting that 5-10% of the civil service should be on prison is just laughable and the kind of stuff I'd expect from an anti-establishment sixth former. I'm not exactly a huge fan of the civil service or the job they (don't) do but to suggest they should be imprisoned for it is just idiotic.

She could easily have made a very valid point that she believes that there's too many civil servants who work against elected ministers and there are loads who see it as their duty to block Tory policies and they should be rooted out and moved on. Suggesting jail time for them just makes her look ridiculous.

I like Kemi and think if she had the ability to think for a bit longer before speaking or forming an opinion on something she might be brilliant, as it stands she's just behaving like someone who wants to get a rise out of the people she opposes which isn't a grown up way to lead a party.

There you go: proper nuance, and makes a good point.

As opposed to Kemi, who said something stupid.

kle4

Luckyguy1983 said:

rcs1000 said:

kle4 said:

biggles said:

rottenborough said:

Andy_JS said:

williamglenn said:

Badenoch says that 5-10% of civil servants should be in prison.

https://x.com/jackelsom/status/1841158990824116663

She certainly isn't holding back.

Sounds a bit Dom Cummings to me.

No, she didn’t take 34,000 words to say it via an impenetrable blog post.

I think you mean in a misunderstood genius blog post. He helped with the Brexit campaign, so anything he says must be amazing.

My respect for Mr Cummings dropped dramatically after I was sat only a few yards from him on a flight to the West Coast. He was shockingly rude to the BA cabin staff.

He also didn't help with the Brexit campaign, that was crap and I believe narrowed the result.

Well, neither campaign was very good in fairness.

numbertwelve

Yes, I think Badenoch has blown it now. A very odd series of interventions. I suspect she is still going for that “I’m willing to open interesting conversations” shtick, but she is showing tremendous political naïveté in the fact that no-one wanted any conversations about minimum wage, maternity pay, or jailing civil servants.