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FT reporting that BoJo found to have committed “multiple contempts” – politicalbetting.com

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edited June 2023 in General
FT reporting that BoJo found to have committed “multiple contempts” – politicalbetting.com

EXCL: Boris Johnson has been found to have committed ‘multiple’ contempts of Parliament in privileges cmtte report out tomorrow, according to people close to inquiry. From me & @GeorgeWParker https://t.co/cUn2gVGsZ9

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  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,561
    Of no doubt to anybody who watched his testimony to the Committee.
  • MikeSmithsonMikeSmithson Posts: 7,382
    Test
  • CorrectHorseBatCorrectHorseBat Posts: 1,761
    Savanta has a 17 point Labour lead
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,572
    “Disclosing the outcome of the inquiry is itself a contempt of parliament. It is clear cut, it does not require further investigation,” source said.

    Does that include leaking the results of the inquiry to the FT? ;)
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,900
    Can I thank the desperate for their contributions to this thread overnight in defence of their fallen leader? I include Simon Ding Dong Clarke alongside Moonrabbit and HYUFD - desperate, deluded, detached from reality.

    Boris! lied to parliament. Repeatedly. Openly. Deliberately. A committee which has very senior and respected Tory Brexiteer MPs on it has examined all the evidence and is presenting its findings to parliament.

    Boris! and his toadying lickspittles decided not to hang around for the report - because then you have to defend. Instead he flounces off and denies the validity of the committee. The last minute "Jenkin is a Bad Man" attempt is simply the very last flail before showtime. Baseless, irrelevant, ignorant.

    If as they allege Boris is innocent (and will lovingly continue to do casework!!!!), why did he not await the judgement of the Commons? His party has a huge majority thanks to Boris! Surely the morons and lickspittles would vote down such an invalid report against an innocent man?

    And even if Sunak decided to wash his hands like Pilot, that doesn't mean there would be a recall election, and if there was would not an innocent man rise like Lazarus and be reaffirmed in triumph?

    No. Because Boris! is a coward. And his supporters are cowards too.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,215

    Test


    If it's of character, Johnson seems to have comprehensively failed it.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,900
    From the FT's article (love my subscription!):

    "Conservative MPs Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg and Dame Andrea Jenkyns, both close allies of Johnson, have branded the committee’s inquiry a “kangaroo court”."

    There really needs to be a rethink here. Boris Johnson has flounced away from parliament having disgraced himself. Contempt for parliament - on repeated occasions - and criminality is not the behaviour of a former PM who deserves to be respected.

    Yet two of his lickspittles are here grifting for him with their "honours".

    The Boris! honours list needs to be suspended. That we have "Dame" Andrea Mince defaming parliament is in itself a contempt of parliament.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070
    At least we have yet to descend to the level of the US. The Privileges committee maintains more than a veneer of cross party seriousness, despite the best efforts of Boris and his (fortunately incompetent) team of ratfuckers.

    Over there, yet another baseless attempt to censure Adam Schiff runs into the sand - and George Santos.

    All 5 House Democrats on the Ethics Committee voted “present” to table the motion (makes sense to stay away from the fray)

    but so did “George Santos” after tweeting that he was going to censure Schiff

    https://twitter.com/sfpelosi/status/1669087930793742336

    Imagine, an ethics committee with Santos as a member. On which he's the closest thing the GOP has to a voice of reason.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,070

    From the FT's article (love my subscription!):

    "Conservative MPs Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg and Dame Andrea Jenkyns, both close allies of Johnson, have branded the committee’s inquiry a “kangaroo court”."

    There really needs to be a rethink here. Boris Johnson has flounced away from parliament having disgraced himself. Contempt for parliament - on repeated occasions - and criminality is not the behaviour of a former PM who deserves to be respected.

    Yet two of his lickspittles are here grifting for him with their "honours".

    The Boris! honours list needs to be suspended. That we have "Dame" Andrea Mince defaming parliament is in itself a contempt of parliament.

    There was a third Boris knight on the Today program doing the same this morning.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,032

    From the FT's article (love my subscription!):

    "Conservative MPs Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg and Dame Andrea Jenkyns, both close allies of Johnson, have branded the committee’s inquiry a “kangaroo court”."

    There really needs to be a rethink here. Boris Johnson has flounced away from parliament having disgraced himself. Contempt for parliament - on repeated occasions - and criminality is not the behaviour of a former PM who deserves to be respected.

    Yet two of his lickspittles are here grifting for him with their "honours".

    The Boris! honours list needs to be suspended. That we have "Dame" Andrea Mince defaming parliament is in itself a contempt of parliament.

    Good morning from another beautiful day in the Isle of Man

    Only have limited Internet access but I could not agree with you more

    We all deserve so much better than the malign Johnson with his appalling honours list and his sycophants

    Sunak refused to comment earlier as he has not seen the report but once published he needs to state Johnson will not stand for the conservative party again, suspend the whip from Dorries, and endorse any sanctions proposed to other conservative mps

    He has one opportunity to cleanse the party of Johnson and others and now is that opportunity
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,785
    Good morning, everyone.

    Andrea Jenkyns is my MP. Hmm. Not inclined to vote for a kangaroo enthusiast.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829

    Test


    If it's of character, Johnson seems to have comprehensively failed it.
    In re muscle/fat debate engaged in by other folk on PB, I notice that while they wait, BTL commenters on the Guardian are extensively dissecting Mr Johnson's athletic abilities and how far he actually runs when the cameras are not looking. At least one demand for a camera crew to follow him for the entirety of his athletic excursion.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829

    Good morning, everyone.

    Andrea Jenkyns is my MP. Hmm. Not inclined to vote for a kangaroo enthusiast.

    Not a kangaroo enthusiast, but a macropod-slanderer, surely?
  • Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,677
    Ghedebrav said:

    nico679 said:

    HYUFD said:

    WillG said:

    Trump's primary lead grows post-indictment:

    https://pro.morningconsult.com/trackers/2024-gop-primary-election-tracker

    The Republican primary electorate is fundamentally mental. Its like a the largest cult we have ever seen.

    Trump 42% Biden 42% in the same poll and Biden 43% DeSantis 39%

    https://pro.morningconsult.com/trackers/2024-gop-primary-election-tracker
    The country has lost its mind . At this point Trump could shoot someone and his poll ratings amongst GOP voters would go up.

    As he said himself, years ago, about shooting someone in Times Square, I think.

    He’s unlocked a cheat code in the collective consciousness of the USA, wherein he can literally do no wrong. Trump-the-man is irrelevant; it’s Trump-the-concept that matters. He’s kind of a genius, in a nasty, twisted and mean way.

    FWIW I think Biden and the Dems are making a mistake by running Old Man Joe against him.

    DJT vs JRB are just about level in the most recent polling. I feel, though I have no particular rational basis for the thought, that a long campaign better favour's DJT's brand of shithousery than JRB's air of gentle confusion.

    We are in for epic entertainment though in this campaign though.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    From the FT's article (love my subscription!):

    "Conservative MPs Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg and Dame Andrea Jenkyns, both close allies of Johnson, have branded the committee’s inquiry a “kangaroo court”."

    There really needs to be a rethink here. Boris Johnson has flounced away from parliament having disgraced himself. Contempt for parliament - on repeated occasions - and criminality is not the behaviour of a former PM who deserves to be respected.

    Yet two of his lickspittles are here grifting for him with their "honours".

    The Boris! honours list needs to be suspended. That we have "Dame" Andrea Mince defaming parliament is in itself a contempt of parliament.

    Bringing together a couple of themes from the last thread, Boris and his cronies are trying to Trump their way out of this situation by denouncing the institutions and regulations themselves.

    However, while he certainly has been a 'Heineken Tory' from a campaigning POV, he is not 'Britain Trump'; he doesn't have the Trump cheat code rendering him immune to public opprobrium for his misdeeds. Indeed, outside of his true believers - as the polling shows - he is now pretty widely viewed negatively and these shenanigans will only continue to drive his numbers down. They look desperate and grubby. Multiple contempts indeed.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,861
    I wonder what would have been the recommendation of the Priviliges Committee had Boris remained as PM up until today? My guess is they would either have ruled that he misled parliament unintentionally and recommended less than 10 days suspension or that parliament would have voted against approving 10 days and instead would have approved a shorter suspension - if they can do that? For the Privileges Committee, with a Tory majority, to effectively recommend that the sitting PM needs to resign, would have been a very big call to have made.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,900
    Nigelb said:

    From the FT's article (love my subscription!):

    "Conservative MPs Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg and Dame Andrea Jenkyns, both close allies of Johnson, have branded the committee’s inquiry a “kangaroo court”."

    There really needs to be a rethink here. Boris Johnson has flounced away from parliament having disgraced himself. Contempt for parliament - on repeated occasions - and criminality is not the behaviour of a former PM who deserves to be respected.

    Yet two of his lickspittles are here grifting for him with their "honours".

    The Boris! honours list needs to be suspended. That we have "Dame" Andrea Mince defaming parliament is in itself a contempt of parliament.

    There was a third Boris knight on the Today program doing the same this morning.
    Sunak tried to deflect questions away yesterday: "yebbut Tom Watson".

    It isn't about whether such people have been approved by the appointments committee. It is whether they should have been proposed at all. Watson is divisive but as a former deputy LOTO he should have been proposed - up to the committee whether to accept him or not. Bercow is similarly divisive, ex speaker so again should have been proposed. Was rejected (rightly).

    The problem with Johnson's list is that these people should not have been proposed. Rees-Mogg lied to the Queen. Ermine for the party DJ the night before the Queen sat alone at the funeral, and for his notdaughter. Why? On what grounds are these people fit to be proposed for anything? Rees-Mogg then doubles down by committing a contempt of parliament by means of thanks.

    The entire list is uniquely suspect. I know Labour are attacking the forthcoming Truss list and Truss was a disaster. But other bad PMs have made a list - and so far at least Truss hasn't egregiously held parliament in contempt and tried to appoint family members to the Other Place.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,900

    From the FT's article (love my subscription!):

    "Conservative MPs Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg and Dame Andrea Jenkyns, both close allies of Johnson, have branded the committee’s inquiry a “kangaroo court”."

    There really needs to be a rethink here. Boris Johnson has flounced away from parliament having disgraced himself. Contempt for parliament - on repeated occasions - and criminality is not the behaviour of a former PM who deserves to be respected.

    Yet two of his lickspittles are here grifting for him with their "honours".

    The Boris! honours list needs to be suspended. That we have "Dame" Andrea Mince defaming parliament is in itself a contempt of parliament.

    Good morning from another beautiful day in the Isle of Man

    Only have limited Internet access but I could not agree with you more

    We all deserve so much better than the malign Johnson with his appalling honours list and his sycophants

    Sunak refused to comment earlier as he has not seen the report but once published he needs to state Johnson will not stand for the conservative party again, suspend the whip from Dorries, and endorse any sanctions proposed to other conservative mps

    He has one opportunity to cleanse the party of Johnson and others and now is that opportunity
    He appears to be frit. Sadly. Rees-Mogg and Jenkyns have held parliament in contempt. That they get to keep their baubles does the work for people like me who hold the entire concept of knighthoods to be an anachronism.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    @BestForBritain

    Sky: Can we talk about the report?
    Sunak: Report?
    Sky: Into Johnson.
    Sunak: I haven't seen it.
    Sky: Everyone knows what's in it.
    Sunak: I don't.
    Sky: Can we talk about it once you've seen it?
    Sunak: Seen what?
    Sky: The report.
    Sunak: I'd rather talk about illegal migration. ~AA

    https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1669241068699648000
  • boulayboulay Posts: 5,486
    I know Johnson doesn’t have a cynical or devious bone in his body but if he did, and obviously he is not remotely shifty, then a really clever plan to distract from the elevation of Charlotte Owen would be leading on Nads about a peerage knowing it wouldn’t happen and would erupt to take over the “honours” list part of the news cycle rather than why someone with very little public service, notable ability and little obvious merit would rise from nowhere to be a permanent member of the UK legislature.
  • bondegezoubondegezou Posts: 11,051
    Dura_Ace said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    nico679 said:

    HYUFD said:

    WillG said:

    Trump's primary lead grows post-indictment:

    https://pro.morningconsult.com/trackers/2024-gop-primary-election-tracker

    The Republican primary electorate is fundamentally mental. Its like a the largest cult we have ever seen.

    Trump 42% Biden 42% in the same poll and Biden 43% DeSantis 39%

    https://pro.morningconsult.com/trackers/2024-gop-primary-election-tracker
    The country has lost its mind . At this point Trump could shoot someone and his poll ratings amongst GOP voters would go up.

    As he said himself, years ago, about shooting someone in Times Square, I think.

    He’s unlocked a cheat code in the collective consciousness of the USA, wherein he can literally do no wrong. Trump-the-man is irrelevant; it’s Trump-the-concept that matters. He’s kind of a genius, in a nasty, twisted and mean way.

    FWIW I think Biden and the Dems are making a mistake by running Old Man Joe against him.

    DJT vs JRB are just about level in the most recent polling. I feel, though I have no particular rational basis for the thought, that a long campaign better favour's DJT's brand of shithousery than JRB's air of gentle confusion.

    We are in for epic entertainment though in this campaign though.
    We know the result last time. It’s hard to see many voters switching from Biden to Trump. It’s easy to see Trump voters switching to not voting, or independents switching to Biden.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,900
    stjohn said:

    I wonder what would have been the recommendation of the Priviliges Committee had Boris remained as PM up until today? My guess is they would either have ruled that he misled parliament unintentionally and recommended less than 10 days suspension or that parliament would have voted against approving 10 days and instead would have approved a shorter suspension - if they can do that? For the Privileges Committee, with a Tory majority, to effectively recommend that the sitting PM needs to resign, would have been a very big call to have made.

    Boris! committed multiple and egregious contempts of parliament whilst sitting as the PM. The very worst offences possible. So a recommendation of a big suspension was a given if the committee had impartially looked at the evidence.

    But that is a *recommendation*. It is up to the Commons what to impose. And the Tories have a big majority. They like grift and corruption, so surely they would have considered the option of not imposing sanction. Reports in the media that FritSunak will whip his MPs to "note" the findings not pass them.

    This is why the Boris! flounce is so absurd, and the Kangaroo Court claims made by the disgraced even more absurd. Today we could have had a statement in the House from Boris! Mea culpa, honestly did not purposefully do so, accept the report, sadder and wiser engine and all that. FritSunak whips against implementing the report, bit of consternation and uproar then a dead cat pivot onto doing battle against the evil Lords refusing to let Braverman drown children.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,032

    From the FT's article (love my subscription!):

    "Conservative MPs Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg and Dame Andrea Jenkyns, both close allies of Johnson, have branded the committee’s inquiry a “kangaroo court”."

    There really needs to be a rethink here. Boris Johnson has flounced away from parliament having disgraced himself. Contempt for parliament - on repeated occasions - and criminality is not the behaviour of a former PM who deserves to be respected.

    Yet two of his lickspittles are here grifting for him with their "honours".

    The Boris! honours list needs to be suspended. That we have "Dame" Andrea Mince defaming parliament is in itself a contempt of parliament.

    Good morning from another beautiful day in the Isle of Man

    Only have limited Internet access but I could not agree with you more

    We all deserve so much better than the malign Johnson with his appalling honours list and his sycophants

    Sunak refused to comment earlier as he has not seen the report but once published he needs to state Johnson will not stand for the conservative party again, suspend the whip from Dorries, and endorse any sanctions proposed to other conservative mps

    He has one opportunity to cleanse the party of Johnson and others and now is that opportunity
    He appears to be frit. Sadly. Rees-Mogg and Jenkyns have held parliament in contempt. That they get to keep their baubles does the work for people like me who hold the entire concept of knighthoods to be an anachronism.
    Not sure I agree about Sunak

    He is consistent in refusing to comment on speculation and wants to see the report first, which is sensible and professional if frustrating to the 'gotcha' journalists we suffer from in todays media

    The test will be how he reacts and it is his moment if he takes the correct decisons
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Nigelb said:

    From the FT's article (love my subscription!):

    "Conservative MPs Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg and Dame Andrea Jenkyns, both close allies of Johnson, have branded the committee’s inquiry a “kangaroo court”."

    There really needs to be a rethink here. Boris Johnson has flounced away from parliament having disgraced himself. Contempt for parliament - on repeated occasions - and criminality is not the behaviour of a former PM who deserves to be respected.

    Yet two of his lickspittles are here grifting for him with their "honours".

    The Boris! honours list needs to be suspended. That we have "Dame" Andrea Mince defaming parliament is in itself a contempt of parliament.

    There was a third Boris knight on the Today program doing the same this morning.
    Sunak tried to deflect questions away yesterday: "yebbut Tom Watson".

    It isn't about whether such people have been approved by the appointments committee. It is whether they should have been proposed at all. Watson is divisive but as a former deputy LOTO he should have been proposed - up to the committee whether to accept him or not. Bercow is similarly divisive, ex speaker so again should have been proposed. Was rejected (rightly).

    The problem with Johnson's list is that these people should not have been proposed. Rees-Mogg lied to the Queen. Ermine for the party DJ the night before the Queen sat alone at the funeral, and for his notdaughter. Why? On what grounds are these people fit to be proposed for anything? Rees-Mogg then doubles down by committing a contempt of parliament by means of thanks.

    The entire list is uniquely suspect. I know Labour are attacking the forthcoming Truss list and Truss was a disaster. But other bad PMs have made a list - and so far at least Truss hasn't egregiously held parliament in contempt and tried to appoint family members to the Other Place.
    True. She was bonkers and rubbish, but not vindictive or corrupt. I mean, ideally you wouldn't want this to be your options for PM in the first place, but here we are.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,215
    Scott_xP said:

    @BestForBritain

    Sky: Can we talk about the report?
    Sunak: Report?
    Sky: Into Johnson.
    Sunak: I haven't seen it.
    Sky: Everyone knows what's in it.
    Sunak: I don't.
    Sky: Can we talk about it once you've seen it?
    Sunak: Seen what?
    Sky: The report.
    Sunak: I'd rather talk about illegal migration. ~AA

    https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1669241068699648000

    Rishi needs some sort of answer to that "Only Boris can save us" article he wrote in summer 2019.

    I'm sure an answer exists, but the question needs to be asked and answered.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,652
    Ghedebrav said:

    From the FT's article (love my subscription!):

    "Conservative MPs Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg and Dame Andrea Jenkyns, both close allies of Johnson, have branded the committee’s inquiry a “kangaroo court”."

    There really needs to be a rethink here. Boris Johnson has flounced away from parliament having disgraced himself. Contempt for parliament - on repeated occasions - and criminality is not the behaviour of a former PM who deserves to be respected.

    Yet two of his lickspittles are here grifting for him with their "honours".

    The Boris! honours list needs to be suspended. That we have "Dame" Andrea Mince defaming parliament is in itself a contempt of parliament.

    Bringing together a couple of themes from the last thread, Boris and his cronies are trying to Trump their way out of this situation by denouncing the institutions and regulations themselves.

    However, while he certainly has been a 'Heineken Tory' from a campaigning POV, he is not 'Britain Trump'; he doesn't have the Trump cheat code rendering him immune to public opprobrium for his misdeeds. Indeed, outside of his true believers - as the polling shows - he is now pretty widely viewed negatively and these shenanigans will only continue to drive his numbers down. They look desperate and grubby. Multiple contempts indeed.
    He is Britain’s Trump. He is a grifting liar who does not believe the rules apply to him and he rose to the highest office in the land because those who knew what he was decided it didn’t matter. Thankfully, though, the UK is not the US, despite the efforts of culture warriors on the right and left. The conditions necessary for the nationalist, populism that both Trump and Johnson latched onto to thrive long-term do not currently exist here.

  • CorrectHorseBatCorrectHorseBat Posts: 1,761

    Scott_xP said:

    @BestForBritain

    Sky: Can we talk about the report?
    Sunak: Report?
    Sky: Into Johnson.
    Sunak: I haven't seen it.
    Sky: Everyone knows what's in it.
    Sunak: I don't.
    Sky: Can we talk about it once you've seen it?
    Sunak: Seen what?
    Sky: The report.
    Sunak: I'd rather talk about illegal migration. ~AA

    https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1669241068699648000

    Rishi needs some sort of answer to that "Only Boris can save us" article he wrote in summer 2019.

    I'm sure an answer exists, but the question needs to be asked and answered.
    Since Keir Starmer isn't allowed to go back on what he's said in the past, it can be assumed Weak Rishi still believes only Boris Johnson can save us
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Dura_Ace said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    nico679 said:

    HYUFD said:

    WillG said:

    Trump's primary lead grows post-indictment:

    https://pro.morningconsult.com/trackers/2024-gop-primary-election-tracker

    The Republican primary electorate is fundamentally mental. Its like a the largest cult we have ever seen.

    Trump 42% Biden 42% in the same poll and Biden 43% DeSantis 39%

    https://pro.morningconsult.com/trackers/2024-gop-primary-election-tracker
    The country has lost its mind . At this point Trump could shoot someone and his poll ratings amongst GOP voters would go up.

    As he said himself, years ago, about shooting someone in Times Square, I think.

    He’s unlocked a cheat code in the collective consciousness of the USA, wherein he can literally do no wrong. Trump-the-man is irrelevant; it’s Trump-the-concept that matters. He’s kind of a genius, in a nasty, twisted and mean way.

    FWIW I think Biden and the Dems are making a mistake by running Old Man Joe against him.

    DJT vs JRB are just about level in the most recent polling. I feel, though I have no particular rational basis for the thought, that a long campaign better favour's DJT's brand of shithousery than JRB's air of gentle confusion.

    We are in for epic entertainment though in this campaign though.
    We know the result last time. It’s hard to see many voters switching from Biden to Trump. It’s easy to see Trump voters switching to not voting, or independents switching to Biden.
    It's also easier to see a health event seriously affect one or even both of them this time.

    Most grimly entertaining of all would be for the GOP to try to be sensible and bar Trump, run a Trump-lite weirdo like DeSantis and then have Donnie run as an independent.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,424
    edited June 2023
    Good morning fellow pb-ers! And a bright, sunny one, it is too!

    Can we have an end to this in the shilly-shallying over the committees report? Please! There have been leaks, counter-leaks and further evidence ad nauseam. Get the wretched thing published and be done with it. The main author of our troubles has resigned, and with a bit of luck. Won’t be coming back any time soon.
    Let us move on somewhere else!
    Preferably to Rejoin.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,032
    Scott_xP said:

    @BestForBritain

    Sky: Can we talk about the report?
    Sunak: Report?
    Sky: Into Johnson.
    Sunak: I haven't seen it.
    Sky: Everyone knows what's in it.
    Sunak: I don't.
    Sky: Can we talk about it once you've seen it?
    Sunak: Seen what?
    Sky: The report.
    Sunak: I'd rather talk about illegal migration. ~AA

    https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1669241068699648000

    And Sunak is correct

    This is the stupidity of media demanding answer to a report not published

    Attack Sunak if he doesnt act, but not before the report is published and on the basis of media speculation

    This is actually grown up politics
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,215
    Ghedebrav said:

    Nigelb said:

    From the FT's article (love my subscription!):

    "Conservative MPs Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg and Dame Andrea Jenkyns, both close allies of Johnson, have branded the committee’s inquiry a “kangaroo court”."

    There really needs to be a rethink here. Boris Johnson has flounced away from parliament having disgraced himself. Contempt for parliament - on repeated occasions - and criminality is not the behaviour of a former PM who deserves to be respected.

    Yet two of his lickspittles are here grifting for him with their "honours".

    The Boris! honours list needs to be suspended. That we have "Dame" Andrea Mince defaming parliament is in itself a contempt of parliament.

    There was a third Boris knight on the Today program doing the same this morning.
    Sunak tried to deflect questions away yesterday: "yebbut Tom Watson".

    It isn't about whether such people have been approved by the appointments committee. It is whether they should have been proposed at all. Watson is divisive but as a former deputy LOTO he should have been proposed - up to the committee whether to accept him or not. Bercow is similarly divisive, ex speaker so again should have been proposed. Was rejected (rightly).

    The problem with Johnson's list is that these people should not have been proposed. Rees-Mogg lied to the Queen. Ermine for the party DJ the night before the Queen sat alone at the funeral, and for his notdaughter. Why? On what grounds are these people fit to be proposed for anything? Rees-Mogg then doubles down by committing a contempt of parliament by means of thanks.

    The entire list is uniquely suspect. I know Labour are attacking the forthcoming Truss list and Truss was a disaster. But other bad PMs have made a list - and so far at least Truss hasn't egregiously held parliament in contempt and tried to appoint family members to the Other Place.
    True. She was bonkers and rubbish, but not vindictive or corrupt. I mean, ideally you wouldn't want this to be your options for PM in the first place, but here we are.
    She was pretty vindictive- look at the lack of Sunakites in her cabinet. Even Mordaunt got a bit of a non-job, for all the sword holding opportunities.

    Not as vindictive as BoJo, but that's a low bar to cross.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,861
    Can someone explain the difference between Andrea Jenkyns and Nadine Dorries situations. Both are sitting MPs. Both were names put forward by Boris to be ennobled. One was approved by HOLAC but not the other. Something to do with vetting. Is the difference that Jenkyns is/was a minister??
  • TheValiantTheValiant Posts: 1,874
    boulay said:

    I know Johnson doesn’t have a cynical or devious bone in his body but if he did, and obviously he is not remotely shifty, then a really clever plan to distract from the elevation of Charlotte Owen would be leading on Nads about a peerage knowing it wouldn’t happen and would erupt to take over the “honours” list part of the news cycle rather than why someone with very little public service, notable ability and little obvious merit would rise from nowhere to be a permanent member of the UK legislature.

    He's not that clever or devious like you say.

    He simply has promised sinecure to various people that he wants to.
    Hasn't thought whether they might be refused, or whether competing news stories might drown each other out.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    The report into the lying clown will be out within the hour, say the BBC
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Carnyx said:

    Test


    If it's of character, Johnson seems to have comprehensively failed it.
    In re muscle/fat debate engaged in by other folk on PB, I notice that while they wait, BTL commenters on the Guardian are extensively dissecting Mr Johnson's athletic abilities and how far he actually runs when the cameras are not looking. At least one demand for a camera crew to follow him for the entirety of his athletic excursion.
    He is a chunky monkey but that doesn't stop him being relatively fit or a good runner. You can be overweight and fit.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,900
    stjohn said:

    Can someone explain the difference between Andrea Jenkyns and Nadine Dorries situations. Both are sitting MPs. Both were names put forward by Boris to be ennobled. One was approved by HOLAC but not the other. Something to do with vetting. Is the difference that Jenkyns is/was a minister??

    Andrea Mince has been made a Dame - that is penis-challenged alternative to a Knighthood.

    Nadine Bonkers was supposedly being ennobled - a lifetime seat in the Lords taking a fat allowance for imposing her views onto laws for the next 40 years.

    Two entirely different ways of disgracing the United Kingdom, two separate processes.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    edited June 2023
    stjohn said:

    Can someone explain the difference between Andrea Jenkyns and Nadine Dorries situations. Both are sitting MPs. Both were names put forward by Boris to be ennobled. One was approved by HOLAC but not the other. Something to do with vetting. Is the difference that Jenkyns is/was a minister??

    Jenkyns wasn’t ennobled, received just a damehood.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,785
    Mr. Ghedebrav, gladiators were fatter than the stereotype of just being really muscular.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    stjohn said:

    Can someone explain the difference between Andrea Jenkyns and Nadine Dorries situations. Both are sitting MPs. Both were names put forward by Boris to be ennobled. One was approved by HOLAC but not the other. Something to do with vetting. Is the difference that Jenkyns is/was a minister??

    Was it not to do with Nads not wanting to resign her seat? Same with Sharma.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,215
    IanB2 said:

    The report into the lying clown will be out within the hour, say the BBC

    But if you don't go to sleep now, Father Privileges Report won't be able to visit.

    But if you listen very carefully, you might hear the jingle bells of his reindeer.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,032

    Scott_xP said:

    @BestForBritain

    Sky: Can we talk about the report?
    Sunak: Report?
    Sky: Into Johnson.
    Sunak: I haven't seen it.
    Sky: Everyone knows what's in it.
    Sunak: I don't.
    Sky: Can we talk about it once you've seen it?
    Sunak: Seen what?
    Sky: The report.
    Sunak: I'd rather talk about illegal migration. ~AA

    https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1669241068699648000

    Rishi needs some sort of answer to that "Only Boris can save us" article he wrote in summer 2019.

    I'm sure an answer exists, but the question needs to be asked and answered.
    Since Keir Starmer isn't allowed to go back on what he's said in the past, it can be assumed Weak Rishi still believes only Boris Johnson can save us

    Good morning fellow pb-ers! And a bright, sunny one, it is too!

    Can we have an end to this in the shilly-shallying over the committees report? Please! There have been leaks, counter-leaks and further evidence ad nauseam. Get the wretched thing published and be done with it. The main author of our troubles has resigned, and with a bit of luck. Won’t be coming back any time soon.
    Let us move on somewhere else!
    Preferably to Rejoin.

    Good morning fellow pb-ers! And a bright, sunny one, it is too!

    Can we have an end to this in the shilly-shallying over the committees report? Please! There have been leaks, counter-leaks and further evidence ad nauseam. Get the wretched thing published and be done with it. The main author of our troubles has resigned, and with a bit of luck. Won’t be coming back any time soon.
    Let us move on somewhere else!
    Preferably to Rejoin.

    Just 22 minutes away and lets us seen the reactions from the actual printed report and the consequences
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Ghedebrav said:

    Nigelb said:

    From the FT's article (love my subscription!):

    "Conservative MPs Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg and Dame Andrea Jenkyns, both close allies of Johnson, have branded the committee’s inquiry a “kangaroo court”."

    There really needs to be a rethink here. Boris Johnson has flounced away from parliament having disgraced himself. Contempt for parliament - on repeated occasions - and criminality is not the behaviour of a former PM who deserves to be respected.

    Yet two of his lickspittles are here grifting for him with their "honours".

    The Boris! honours list needs to be suspended. That we have "Dame" Andrea Mince defaming parliament is in itself a contempt of parliament.

    There was a third Boris knight on the Today program doing the same this morning.
    Sunak tried to deflect questions away yesterday: "yebbut Tom Watson".

    It isn't about whether such people have been approved by the appointments committee. It is whether they should have been proposed at all. Watson is divisive but as a former deputy LOTO he should have been proposed - up to the committee whether to accept him or not. Bercow is similarly divisive, ex speaker so again should have been proposed. Was rejected (rightly).

    The problem with Johnson's list is that these people should not have been proposed. Rees-Mogg lied to the Queen. Ermine for the party DJ the night before the Queen sat alone at the funeral, and for his notdaughter. Why? On what grounds are these people fit to be proposed for anything? Rees-Mogg then doubles down by committing a contempt of parliament by means of thanks.

    The entire list is uniquely suspect. I know Labour are attacking the forthcoming Truss list and Truss was a disaster. But other bad PMs have made a list - and so far at least Truss hasn't egregiously held parliament in contempt and tried to appoint family members to the Other Place.
    True. She was bonkers and rubbish, but not vindictive or corrupt. I mean, ideally you wouldn't want this to be your options for PM in the first place, but here we are.
    She was pretty vindictive- look at the lack of Sunakites in her cabinet. Even Mordaunt got a bit of a non-job, for all the sword holding opportunities.

    Not as vindictive as BoJo, but that's a low bar to cross.
    I guess there's a baseline vindictiveness I expect from from politicians, which is roughly where I'd put her. As you say, a low bar.
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155

    stjohn said:

    I wonder what would have been the recommendation of the Priviliges Committee had Boris remained as PM up until today? My guess is they would either have ruled that he misled parliament unintentionally and recommended less than 10 days suspension or that parliament would have voted against approving 10 days and instead would have approved a shorter suspension - if they can do that? For the Privileges Committee, with a Tory majority, to effectively recommend that the sitting PM needs to resign, would have been a very big call to have made.

    Boris! committed multiple and egregious contempts of parliament whilst sitting as the PM. The very worst offences possible. So a recommendation of a big suspension was a given if the committee had impartially looked at the evidence.

    But that is a *recommendation*. It is up to the Commons what to impose. And the Tories have a big majority. They like grift and corruption, so surely they would have considered the option of not imposing sanction. Reports in the media that FritSunak will whip his MPs to "note" the findings not pass them.

    This is why the Boris! flounce is so absurd, and the Kangaroo Court claims made by the disgraced even more absurd. Today we could have had a statement in the House from Boris! Mea culpa, honestly did not purposefully do so, accept the report, sadder and wiser engine and all that. FritSunak whips against implementing the report, bit of consternation and uproar then a dead cat pivot onto doing battle against the evil Lords refusing to let Braverman drown children.
    I don't think Johnson would like to be seen to need a whipping job to save his bacon, and I don't think Sunak would want to have to.

    I also wonder which was the bigger slap to the face - this report or the rejection of so many lords. That partly feels like the catalyst here: he wasn't allowed to get all the chums he wanted cushy jobs and that's embarrassing. If any deal was made with Sunak to sweep the report away, I wonder if that undid it.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,032
    IanB2 said:

    The report into the lying clown will be out within the hour, say the BBC

    I would just say a clown is meant to be funny, Johnson is anything but funny
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    This report and PL fixtures to be announced in the next hour.

    What a time to be alive.
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    Mr. Ghedebrav, gladiators were fatter than the stereotype of just being really muscular.

    Presumably to protect their vitals. Also sheer bulk can be helpful in a fight anyway, especially a staged one. Look at Eric 'Butter Bean' Esch, Dusty Rhodes or indeed anyone from World's Strongest Man.
  • Morris_DancerMorris_Dancer Posts: 61,785
    Mr. Ghedebrav, indeed, and fat also bleeds nicely which was good for the show. For the same reason, the armour gladiators had generally prevented instant kills while leaving plenty of flesh for stabbing and cutting.
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,373

    Test

    Aus, by six wickets.

    @Northern_Al piles on England by an innings…
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    This report and PL fixtures to be announced in the next hour.

    What a time to be alive.

    Still TWO WEEKS till the SPFL get their shite together and announce theirs - and the Scottish season begins on the first weekend in August.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    edited June 2023

    Mr. Ghedebrav, indeed, and fat also bleeds nicely which was good for the show. For the same reason, the armour gladiators had generally prevented instant kills while leaving plenty of flesh for stabbing and cutting.

    Disgraced and in the arena just about sums it up. Ad leones!, is the mood on here, I see.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,779

    IanB2 said:

    The report into the lying clown will be out within the hour, say the BBC

    I would just say a clown is meant to be funny, Johnson is anything but funny
    I believe that FLSOJ is the correct PB terminology.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    Ghedebrav said:

    This report and PL fixtures to be announced in the next hour.

    What a time to be alive.

    Still TWO WEEKS till the SPFL get their shite together and announce theirs - and the Scottish season begins on the first weekend in August.
    Why complain? Nice to have something to look forward to, or is there some practical issue?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    edited June 2023
    ydoethur said:

    If Jacob Rees-Mogg is held in contempt of parliament and expelled, for lying about Johnson lying to parliament, the NHS might just collapse as a pandemic of heart attacks sweeps the nation.

    From all the laughter…

    If Rees Mogg is expelled (or forced to resign and face a by election) on top of Boris going any Tory MP on the Tory majority cttee voting for such expulsion who wants to stand again at the next general election would likely face an immediate deselection meeting from their local party
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,625
    Scott_xP said:

    @BestForBritain

    Sky: Can we talk about the report?
    Sunak: Report?
    Sky: Into Johnson.
    Sunak: I haven't seen it.
    Sky: Everyone knows what's in it.
    Sunak: I don't.
    Sky: Can we talk about it once you've seen it?
    Sunak: Seen what?
    Sky: The report.
    Sunak: I'd rather talk about illegal migration. ~AA

    https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1669241068699648000

    Sunak should have used a version of that script in PMQs yesterday when Starmer hypocritically complained that people were talking about Johnson instead of the economy before proceeding to ask a series of questions about Johnson.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723

    Savanta has a 17 point Labour lead

    Don't post thinks like that. We know Labour is way ahead. You know how it sets Heathener off.....
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    If Jacob Rees-Mogg is held in contempt of parliament and expelled, for lying about Johnson lying to parliament, the NHS might just collapse as a pandemic of heart attacks sweeps the nation.

    From all the laughter…

    If Rees Mogg is expelled any Tory MP voting for such expulsion who wants to stand again at the next general election would likely face an immediate deselection meeting from their local party
    You are his love child and I claim my five sovereigns.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,625

    IanB2 said:

    The report into the lying clown will be out within the hour, say the BBC

    I would just say a clown is meant to be funny, Johnson is anything but funny
    I believe that FLSOJ is the correct PB terminology.
    Wasn't she a flamboyant sprinter?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    If Jacob Rees-Mogg is held in contempt of parliament and expelled, for lying about Johnson lying to parliament, the NHS might just collapse as a pandemic of heart attacks sweeps the nation.

    From all the laughter…

    If Rees Mogg is expelled any Tory MP voting for such expulsion who wants to stand again at the next general election would likely face an immediate deselection meeting from their local party
    What's that I smell? Ah yes, bovine faeces.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    ydoethur said:

    Test

    Aus, by six wickets.

    @Northern_Al piles on England by an innings…
    England by lots
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860
    Carnyx said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    This report and PL fixtures to be announced in the next hour.

    What a time to be alive.

    Still TWO WEEKS till the SPFL get their shite together and announce theirs - and the Scottish season begins on the first weekend in August.
    Why complain? Nice to have something to look forward to, or is there some practical issue?
    I occasionally attend Palmerston Park to watch Queen of the South - got a busy summer and want to sort my trip to D&G out! I can't really see any reason why they don't just do it sooner.
  • CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 42,829

    IanB2 said:

    The report into the lying clown will be out within the hour, say the BBC

    I would just say a clown is meant to be funny, Johnson is anything but funny
    TBF, clowns are also meant to be frightening; see recent films, since our childhoods.
  • FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,931
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    If Jacob Rees-Mogg is held in contempt of parliament and expelled, for lying about Johnson lying to parliament, the NHS might just collapse as a pandemic of heart attacks sweeps the nation.

    From all the laughter…

    If Rees Mogg is expelled (or forced to resign and face a by election) on top of Boris going any Tory MP on the Tory majority cttee voting for such expulsion who wants to stand again at the next general election would likely face an immediate deselection meeting from their local party
    FFS! What sort of brain dead cretins comprise the local Tory party membership?
  • Test

    Not until Friday.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    Carnyx said:

    Ghedebrav said:

    This report and PL fixtures to be announced in the next hour.

    What a time to be alive.

    Still TWO WEEKS till the SPFL get their shite together and announce theirs - and the Scottish season begins on the first weekend in August.
    Why complain? Nice to have something to look forward to, or is there some practical issue?
    It allows you to plan your weekends between now and May.

    The more time you have to plan the better.
  • stjohnstjohn Posts: 1,861
    ydoethur said:

    If Jacob Rees-Mogg is held in contempt of parliament and expelled, for lying about Johnson lying to parliament, the NHS might just collapse as a pandemic of heart attacks sweeps the nation.

    From all the laughter…

    I'll tell you something, he went down in my estimation when he said that. (If that’s possible - which it isn’t!). But I'll tell you, and... I'll tell you, honestly, I will love it if that happens. Love it!
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    ...

    Scott_xP said:

    @BestForBritain

    Sky: Can we talk about the report?
    Sunak: Report?
    Sky: Into Johnson.
    Sunak: I haven't seen it.
    Sky: Everyone knows what's in it.
    Sunak: I don't.
    Sky: Can we talk about it once you've seen it?
    Sunak: Seen what?
    Sky: The report.
    Sunak: I'd rather talk about illegal migration. ~AA

    https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1669241068699648000

    Sunak should have used a version of that script in PMQs yesterday when Starmer hypocritically complained that people were talking about Johnson instead of the economy before proceeding to ask a series of questions about Johnson.
    Yes, banging on about has-been Johnson was a missed trick by Starmer.

    When gilt yields are at Trussian levels and mortgage rates causing anxiety amongst the Conservative classes, that would have been a better track to follow, although perhaps gilt yields and mortgage anxiety can wait a week. I don't suppose either are going away soon.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    edited June 2023

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    If Jacob Rees-Mogg is held in contempt of parliament and expelled, for lying about Johnson lying to parliament, the NHS might just collapse as a pandemic of heart attacks sweeps the nation.

    From all the laughter…

    If Rees Mogg is expelled (or forced to resign and face a by election) on top of Boris going any Tory MP on the Tory majority cttee voting for such expulsion who wants to stand again at the next general election would likely face an immediate deselection meeting from their local party
    FFS! What sort of brain dead cretins comprise the local Tory party membership?
    People who mostly voted for Boris and Truss to be Conservative leader (of course most Labour members voted for Corbyn to be Labour leader twice until successive general election defeats forced them to pick Starmer). Boris of course at least won a general election even if Truss was hopeless at the top job
  • GhedebravGhedebrav Posts: 3,860

    ...

    Scott_xP said:

    @BestForBritain

    Sky: Can we talk about the report?
    Sunak: Report?
    Sky: Into Johnson.
    Sunak: I haven't seen it.
    Sky: Everyone knows what's in it.
    Sunak: I don't.
    Sky: Can we talk about it once you've seen it?
    Sunak: Seen what?
    Sky: The report.
    Sunak: I'd rather talk about illegal migration. ~AA

    https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1669241068699648000

    Sunak should have used a version of that script in PMQs yesterday when Starmer hypocritically complained that people were talking about Johnson instead of the economy before proceeding to ask a series of questions about Johnson.
    Yes, banging on about has-been Johnson was a missed trick by Starmer.

    When gilt yields are at Trussian levels and mortgage rates causing anxiety amongst the Conservative classes, that would have been a better track to follow, although perhaps gilt yields and mortgage anxiety can wait a week. I don't suppose either are going away soon.
    Yeah, those five pledges aren't going too well, eh?
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    stjohn said:

    ydoethur said:

    If Jacob Rees-Mogg is held in contempt of parliament and expelled, for lying about Johnson lying to parliament, the NHS might just collapse as a pandemic of heart attacks sweeps the nation.

    From all the laughter…

    I'll tell you something, he went down in my estimation when he said that. (If that’s possible - which it isn’t!). But I'll tell you, and... I'll tell you, honestly, I will love it if that happens. Love it!
    Me too Kevin, me too.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663

    stjohn said:

    Can someone explain the difference between Andrea Jenkyns and Nadine Dorries situations. Both are sitting MPs. Both were names put forward by Boris to be ennobled. One was approved by HOLAC but not the other. Something to do with vetting. Is the difference that Jenkyns is/was a minister??

    Jenkyns wasn’t ennobled, received just a damehood.

    Charlotte bloody Owen!!!
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,779
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    If Jacob Rees-Mogg is held in contempt of parliament and expelled, for lying about Johnson lying to parliament, the NHS might just collapse as a pandemic of heart attacks sweeps the nation.

    From all the laughter…

    If Rees Mogg is expelled any Tory MP voting for such expulsion who wants to stand again at the next general election would likely face an immediate deselection meeting from their local party
    Of course, because Rees-Mogg, a walking caricature and rebuke to the notion that Britain is a country that rewards merit or intelligence, embodies the modern Conservative Party.
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,908
    edited June 2023

    Can I thank the desperate for their contributions to this thread overnight in defence of their fallen leader? I include Simon Ding Dong Clarke alongside Moonrabbit and HYUFD - desperate, deluded, detached from reality.

    Boris! lied to parliament. Repeatedly. Openly. Deliberately. A committee which has very senior and respected Tory Brexiteer MPs on it has examined all the evidence and is presenting its findings to parliament.

    Boris! and his toadying lickspittles decided not to hang around for the report - because then you have to defend. Instead he flounces off and denies the validity of the committee. The last minute "Jenkin is a Bad Man" attempt is simply the very last flail before showtime. Baseless, irrelevant, ignorant.

    If as they allege Boris is innocent (and will lovingly continue to do casework!!!!), why did he not await the judgement of the Commons? His party has a huge majority thanks to Boris! Surely the morons and lickspittles would vote down such an invalid report against an innocent man?

    And even if Sunak decided to wash his hands like Pilot, that doesn't mean there would be a recall election, and if there was would not an innocent man rise like Lazarus and be reaffirmed in triumph?

    No. Because Boris! is a coward. And his supporters are cowards too.

    I read the posts on the last thread. It's Guido's stock-in-trade. It's what children do to exonerate themselves. Find something that happened years ago or parallels that don't quite match. I was surprised that Kirsty Walk tried it on Newsnight last night but you could tell her heart wasn't in it. She seemed embarrassed. I suspect it's the new DG but the result is a rather anodyne BBC.
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,900
    ydoethur said:

    If Jacob Rees-Mogg is held in contempt of parliament and expelled, for lying about Johnson lying to parliament, the NHS might just collapse as a pandemic of heart attacks sweeps the nation.

    From all the laughter…

    Let us not let the Moggster off the hook. Calling the Parliamentary Standards Committee a "Kangaroo Court" is a direct and undeniable contempt of parliament. Whilst the report apparently has not named names it has stated the facts clearly.

    We know what kind of penalties are given for that. And it isn't just Mogg, its all of them repeating and propagating the contempt. Including "Sir" Simon Clarke. Note that most of the grifting is being done by people corruptly handed baubles by Boris!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    edited June 2023
    Looks like the Mid Beds by election is off for the foreseeable future.

    'Former cabinet minister Nadine Dorries has said she will not resign until she gets more information on why she was denied a peerage...Ms Dorries said she had put in Subject Access Requests to the House of Lords Appointments Commission (HOLAC), Cabinet Secretary and the Cabinet Office.

    Subject Access Requests allow an individual to receive a copy of all their personal data held by a government department.

    Freedom of Information expert Martin Rosenbaum has pointed out that under the Data Protection Act 2018, the right of access to personal data does not apply to data processed for the honours system.'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65910896

    So does this mean the LDs will now switch to Selby from Mid Beds with Labour still focusing on Uxbridge?
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    Johnson says he has been accused of deliberately lying to parliament
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    edited June 2023
    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the Mid Beds by election is off for the foreseeable future.

    'Former cabinet minister Nadine Dorries has said she will not resign until she gets more information on why she was denied a peerage...Ms Dorries said she had put in Subject Access Requests to the House of Lords Appointments Commission (HOLAC), Cabinet Secretary and the Cabinet Office.

    Subject Access Requests allow an individual to receive a copy of all their personal data held by a government department.

    Freedom of Information expert Martin Rosenbaum has pointed out that under the Data Protection Act 2018, the right of access to personal data does not apply to data processed for the honours system.'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65910896

    So does this mean the LDs will now switch to Selby from Mid Beds with Labour still focusing on Uxbridge?

    Probably. Which no doubt means the chances of the Tories winning a by-election soon are reduced.

    What's the betting Mad Nad resigns just after the other two by-elections?
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,990
    @hzeffman
    14s
    BREAKING: Privileges committee would have suspended Boris Johnson for NINETY days "for repeated contempts" if he were still an MP.

    They now say that he should have his access to parliament as a former MP revoked
  • SlackbladderSlackbladder Posts: 9,773
    Well, thats a bit damming isn't it....
  • RogerRoger Posts: 19,908
    IanB2 said:

    Johnson says he has been accused of deliberately lying to parliament

    Well I'll go to our 'ouse! (Ena Sharples)
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155
    IanB2 said:

    Johnson says he has been accused of deliberately lying to parliament

    I mean, with Johnson, I'll buy it. I doubt we will have Trump levels of "I can't show you this, that would be a crime" transcripts, but I think there will be some civil servant who is like "of course we told him what the rules were, of course that definition didn't include parties / nobody told him parties were okay, do we look like idiots to you" and Johnson will say "civil servant blob told me it was fine and are now covering their arse to bring down your god king" and so on and so on
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    No smoking curry in the report, that I can see.
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155

    Direct question for @HYUFD - does right and wrong matter to you? Your response to the suggestion that Mogg receiving censure for contempt of parliament was "any Tory MP voting for such expulsion who wants to stand again at the next general election would likely face an immediate deselection meeting from their local party"

    Is it acceptable for an MP to commit contempt of parliament - yes or no?
    Is it right that an MP committing contempt of parliament be sanctioned by parliament - yes or no?

    Simple questions. This isn't about party politics or partisan hackery or votes or opinion polls. This is about standards of behaviour in a parliament that the British people voted to make sovereign.

    So is parliament sovereign or not? Because you appear to be suggesting that its rules and standards should offer fealty to your party members.

    I mean, if everything from the Coalition onwards tells us anything it's that the modern conservative party puts the needs of the party before anything.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918

    HYUFD said:

    Looks like the Mid Beds by election is off for the foreseeable future.

    'Former cabinet minister Nadine Dorries has said she will not resign until she gets more information on why she was denied a peerage...Ms Dorries said she had put in Subject Access Requests to the House of Lords Appointments Commission (HOLAC), Cabinet Secretary and the Cabinet Office.

    Subject Access Requests allow an individual to receive a copy of all their personal data held by a government department.

    Freedom of Information expert Martin Rosenbaum has pointed out that under the Data Protection Act 2018, the right of access to personal data does not apply to data processed for the honours system.'
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65910896

    So does this mean the LDs will now switch to Selby from Mid Beds with Labour still focusing on Uxbridge?

    Probably. Which no doubt means the chances of the Tories winning a by-election soon are reduced.

    What's the betting Mad Nad resigns just after the other two by-elections?
    Mid Beds was probably the Tories likeliest loss, the LD by election machine already up and running there.

    Uxbridge with its big Hindu vote and with the Tory anti ULEZ campaign could be a shock Tory hold, Selby was Labour at one stage under Blair (albeit on different boundaries) so I can't see Starmer giving the LDs a free run there as in Mid Beds thus splitting the non Conservative vote. Thus the Conservatives could win Selby on just 35-40%
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    Finally after years of lying with no consequences Johnson is held to account .

    Good riddance .
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,859
    edited June 2023

    - Deliberately misleading the house

    - Deliberately misleading the committee

    - Breaching confidence

    - Impugning the Committee

    - Undermining the democratic process of the house

    - Being complicit in a campaign of abuse and intimidation


    Penalty would have been a NINETY DAY suspension

    Recommend no "former member's" pass for Johnson
  • RochdalePioneersRochdalePioneers Posts: 28,900
    Have just scan read the start of the report: https://committees.parliament.uk/publications/40412/documents/197199/default/

    Its pretty damning!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    edited June 2023

    Direct question for @HYUFD - does right and wrong matter to you? Your response to the suggestion that Mogg receiving censure for contempt of parliament was "any Tory MP voting for such expulsion who wants to stand again at the next general election would likely face an immediate deselection meeting from their local party"

    Is it acceptable for an MP to commit contempt of parliament - yes or no?
    Is it right that an MP committing contempt of parliament be sanctioned by parliament - yes or no?

    Simple questions. This isn't about party politics or partisan hackery or votes or opinion polls. This is about standards of behaviour in a parliament that the British people voted to make sovereign.

    So is parliament sovereign or not? Because you appear to be suggesting that its rules and standards should offer fealty to your party members.

    Rees Mogg didn't commit contempt of Parliament, most MPs voting for that will be doing so for political reasons and for many because they dislike his attitude to Brexit and his defence of Boris.

    Mogg is probably one of the most personally moral MPs in Parliament.

    Technically you are also wrong, it is not Parliament alone that is sovereign under our unwritten constitution but Crown in Parliament that is sovereign
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,215
    Important for the "Revote without Bernard" crew:

    Committee also notes that this is a unanimous report. ~AA

    https://twitter.com/BestForBritain/status/1669255909812453376
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,368
    Scott_xP said:

    @hzeffman
    14s
    BREAKING: Privileges committee would have suspended Boris Johnson for NINETY days "for repeated contempts" if he were still an MP.

    They now say that he should have his access to parliament as a former MP revoked

    My suggestion that he would serve 9 days was only out by a zero then. Wow!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    Shame he resigned really, it would have been fun watching his supporters try to overturn a 90 day suspension.
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 15,779
    HYUFD said:

    Direct question for @HYUFD - does right and wrong matter to you? Your response to the suggestion that Mogg receiving censure for contempt of parliament was "any Tory MP voting for such expulsion who wants to stand again at the next general election would likely face an immediate deselection meeting from their local party"

    Is it acceptable for an MP to commit contempt of parliament - yes or no?
    Is it right that an MP committing contempt of parliament be sanctioned by parliament - yes or no?

    Simple questions. This isn't about party politics or partisan hackery or votes or opinion polls. This is about standards of behaviour in a parliament that the British people voted to make sovereign.

    So is parliament sovereign or not? Because you appear to be suggesting that its rules and standards should offer fealty to your party members.

    Rees Mogg didn't commit contempt of Parliament, most MPs voting for that will be doing so for political reasons and for many because they dislike his attitude to Brexit and his defence of Boris.

    Mogg is probably one of the most personally moral MPs in Parliament.

    Technically you are also wrong, it is not Parliament alone that is sovereign under our unwritten constitution but Crown in Parliament
    I thought that time he victim-blamed the people who died in the Grenfell fire really showed his personal morality at its best.
  • SouthamObserverSouthamObserver Posts: 39,652
    Good luck to Sunak and co with with their "Starmer wanted Corbyn to be PM" attack line from here on in.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 27,890

    stjohn said:

    Can someone explain the difference between Andrea Jenkyns and Nadine Dorries situations. Both are sitting MPs. Both were names put forward by Boris to be ennobled. One was approved by HOLAC but not the other. Something to do with vetting. Is the difference that Jenkyns is/was a minister??

    Jenkyns wasn’t ennobled, received just a damehood.
    Proof, if it were needed, of Boris's judgement and wisdom.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,188
    I guess Sir Bernard Jenkin is now part of the remoaner blob.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,663
    'Boris can bounce back from this 'kangaroo court' decision.' JRM

    Possibly
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,918
    edited June 2023

    Good luck to Sunak and co with with their "Starmer wanted Corbyn to be PM" attack line from here on in.

    Starmer stuck with Corbyn until the end and the 2019 general election defeat, only standing for the leadership after Corbyn resigned (even if he has suspended Corbyn from Labour now).

    Sunak's resignation and attacks on PM Boris last summer were key in forcing Boris to resign
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 119,630
    I see Moon Rabbit was talking shite once more last night.

    The report was approved unanimously by the committee - which has a Conservative majority.
  • 148grss148grss Posts: 4,155
    HYUFD said:

    Direct question for @HYUFD - does right and wrong matter to you? Your response to the suggestion that Mogg receiving censure for contempt of parliament was "any Tory MP voting for such expulsion who wants to stand again at the next general election would likely face an immediate deselection meeting from their local party"

    Is it acceptable for an MP to commit contempt of parliament - yes or no?
    Is it right that an MP committing contempt of parliament be sanctioned by parliament - yes or no?

    Simple questions. This isn't about party politics or partisan hackery or votes or opinion polls. This is about standards of behaviour in a parliament that the British people voted to make sovereign.

    So is parliament sovereign or not? Because you appear to be suggesting that its rules and standards should offer fealty to your party members.

    Rees Mogg didn't commit contempt of Parliament, most MPs voting for that will be doing so for political reasons and for many because they dislike his attitude to Brexit and his defence of Boris.

    Mogg is probably one of the most personally moral MPs in Parliament.

    Technically you are also wrong, it is not Parliament alone that is sovereign under our unwritten constitution but Crown in Parliament that is sovereign
    What is calling the committee the house enjoined to serve this role, that just released it's unanimous report, a "kangaroo court" if not impugning the house and treating it with contempt? To say it is a "kangaroo court" is not just having a go at the members on the committee, but those who put them there - which is everyone in the house.

    The PM is not the executive, they are not above the law, and they are not above the house. We know that Johnson and Mogg at best incorrectly advised the crown on prorogation, at worst lied to the crown, why should it be so outrageous to suggest they would be willing to do the same to the house?
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