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The Scottish Question – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 12,162
edited April 2023 in General
imageThe Scottish Question – politicalbetting.com

Scotland is fast becoming to British politics what Ireland was in the 19th century: a country with endless, seemingly unresolvable, political grievances and issues defying easy answers. It has voted against independence but since 2007 has voted into power a party whose raison d’être this is. The current travails (today’s development a whistleblower about SNP finances claiming threats by the police, whose chief retired earlier than expected shortly before Sturgeon announced her resignation) are what almost inevitably happen when a party has been in power for too long with little effective opposition. This is something else which Scotland shares with Irish politics (the latter’s financial/political scandals over the years rival anything Westminster/the City has produced) and Irish society (see the various horrors resulting from the Irish Catholic church’s long stranglehold).

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  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,405

    The Scottish question?

    My FIRST Scottish Question would be. Can I buy your unwanted, unused and effectively new coach-built motorhome for 50% of its original retail value?

    And the fridge freezer
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,821
    edited April 2023
    2nd like the SNP

    3rd like the Scots Tories
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,625
    NBC poll:

    Do you think Joe Biden should…

    Run for president 26%
    Not run for president 70%

    Do you think Donald Trump should…

    Run for president 35%
    Not run for president 60%


    https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1650123114750017536
  • AlanbrookeAlanbrooke Posts: 25,405

    NBC poll:

    Do you think Joe Biden should…

    Run for president 26%
    Not run for president 70%

    Do you think Donald Trump should…

    Run for president 35%
    Not run for president 60%


    https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1650123114750017536

    Correct answer on both questions
  • Hello @Cyclefree, very good article. I have to nit pick on the Ireland 19th Century analogy though.

    1. There is no (yet) Scottish terrorist movement as there was with the Fenians etc.

    2. There is not the same land issue as there was with the (Protestant mainly) Ascendancy owning a bulk of the land with the same religious connotations.

    3. There has not been a mass famine within living memory (or one generation removed) that had wiped out a large percentage of the population via death or emigration.

    All three of these played a large part in how difficult the Irish question was in the 19th Century.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    I recall when the Order was issued I felt it was a big error from Sunak, and would see support for the SNP even from those opposed to the bill.

    Despite being very wrong about that I won't let it slow me down, and even at the time some of the arguments coming out were even to a layman legally nonsensical. For example, that because no Order had been issued before, the issuing of an Order was on its face irrational and unreasonable, which makes no sense because the ability to make an Order was built in. So it is not a surprise that the political angle is being leaned on about how it is about the wishes of the Scottish Parliament. Something to be mad about from indy backers, naturally and reasonably, but not the focal point of the case.

    I did not realise it might take a year or more for the case to get to a resolution. Seems like a modified bill removing aspects that Westminster used to block it could be passed in the meantime?

    As for Labour benefiting or not, didn't SLAB back the bill in the first place?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    NBC poll:

    Do you think Joe Biden should…

    Run for president 26%
    Not run for president 70%

    Do you think Donald Trump should…

    Run for president 35%
    Not run for president 60%


    https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1650123114750017536

    I am rather surprised by the Biden figure. I get he's 140 years old, and his ratings are not actually amazing, but I'd expect a higher support figure for a run as a matter of partisan loyalty.
  • NBC poll:

    Do you think Joe Biden should…

    Run for president 26%
    Not run for president 70%

    Do you think Donald Trump should…

    Run for president 35%
    Not run for president 60%


    https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1650123114750017536

    While Trump has his well publicised issues, Biden is now getting a good amount of heat over the IRS Whistleblower / retired spy dossier stuff that has emerged in the US over the past several days.

    That could have some betting implications (although I am sure the Biden Taliban will be on here downplaying the issues pretty soon...)
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587

    NBC poll:

    Do you think Joe Biden should…

    Run for president 26%
    Not run for president 70%

    Do you think Donald Trump should…

    Run for president 35%
    Not run for president 60%


    https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1650123114750017536

    He'd better run. I have money on it.

    I think that, if he believes an alternative dem candidate would do worse against Trump, he'll run simply out of duty. He can always resign later.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    edited April 2023
    carnforth said:

    NBC poll:

    Do you think Joe Biden should…

    Run for president 26%
    Not run for president 70%

    Do you think Donald Trump should…

    Run for president 35%
    Not run for president 60%


    https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1650123114750017536

    He'd better run. I have money on it.

    I think that, if he believes an alternative dem candidate would do worse against Trump, he'll run simply out of duty. He can always resign later.
    The 'disgusted by Trump' element of the GOP (or former GOP) may be very small, but in some states could presumably be important. Is anyone but Biden likely to appeal to them? What about Independents?

    I say if not Biden then go big and bold - AOC. She'd be barely eligible, and can you picture Trump up against a millenial female socialist? Entertaining I bet.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    NBC poll:

    Do you think Joe Biden should…

    Run for president 26%
    Not run for president 70%

    Do you think Donald Trump should…

    Run for president 35%
    Not run for president 60%


    https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1650123114750017536

    While Trump has his well publicised issues, Biden is now getting a good amount of heat over the IRS Whistleblower / retired spy dossier stuff that has emerged in the US over the past several days.

    That could have some betting implications (although I am sure the Biden Taliban will be on here downplaying the issues pretty soon...)
    That Netflix series Diplomat (about an unfeasibly pretty slender US ambassadress to the UK) is interesting. The elderly president is clearly based on Biden, the characters discuss his advanced years, the difficulty of his decline, the way he replaced someone even worse but still

    It shows impatience with Biden even from a sympathetic source like Hollywood
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    If Biden did win, and serve out his term, his political career would run from 1971-2029. Not a bad run, but he could have gotten in earlier and get into a 7th decade of service.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Leon said:

    NBC poll:

    Do you think Joe Biden should…

    Run for president 26%
    Not run for president 70%

    Do you think Donald Trump should…

    Run for president 35%
    Not run for president 60%


    https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1650123114750017536

    While Trump has his well publicised issues, Biden is now getting a good amount of heat over the IRS Whistleblower / retired spy dossier stuff that has emerged in the US over the past several days.

    That could have some betting implications (although I am sure the Biden Taliban will be on here downplaying the issues pretty soon...)
    That Netflix series Diplomat (about an unfeasibly pretty slender US ambassadress to the UK) is interesting. The elderly president is clearly based on Biden, the characters discuss his advanced years, the difficulty of his decline, the way he replaced someone even worse but still

    It shows impatience with Biden even from a sympathetic source like Hollywood
    Saw two episodes last night.
    Total gash. The dialogue makes me cringe.

    But will keep watching for the shots of London.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Jesus Christ a harrowing Al Jazeera report from Kyiv of all the amputee soldiers and civilians getting prosthetic limbs

    I know this is cheap pointless sentiment but this fucking stupid war. My god

    The Ukrainians will want revenge on Russia for the next 100 years. There will be terror attacks in Moscow for a generation
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,485
    That siren made me shudder, physically and psychologically
  • NBC poll:

    Do you think Joe Biden should…

    Run for president 26%
    Not run for president 70%

    Do you think Donald Trump should…

    Run for president 35%
    Not run for president 60%


    https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1650123114750017536

    Correct answer on both questions
    You would probably get a majority for "not run" for any given named individual in the USA.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    Leon said:

    NBC poll:

    Do you think Joe Biden should…

    Run for president 26%
    Not run for president 70%

    Do you think Donald Trump should…

    Run for president 35%
    Not run for president 60%


    https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1650123114750017536

    While Trump has his well publicised issues, Biden is now getting a good amount of heat over the IRS Whistleblower / retired spy dossier stuff that has emerged in the US over the past several days.

    That could have some betting implications (although I am sure the Biden Taliban will be on here downplaying the issues pretty soon...)
    That Netflix series Diplomat (about an unfeasibly pretty slender US ambassadress to the UK) is interesting. The elderly president is clearly based on Biden, the characters discuss his advanced years, the difficulty of his decline, the way he replaced someone even worse but still

    It shows impatience with Biden even from a sympathetic source like Hollywood
    Saw two episodes last night.
    Total gash. The dialogue makes me cringe.

    But will keep watching for the shots of London.
    Yes, it ain’t the West Wing (as it has been compared to, insanely)

    It has mad plot twists, weird non sequiturs, weak jokes, a quite absurd amount of senior black politicians/spies, and yet it is pleasantly diverting, nonetheless





  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,130
    kle4 said:

    NBC poll:

    Do you think Joe Biden should…

    Run for president 26%
    Not run for president 70%

    Do you think Donald Trump should…

    Run for president 35%
    Not run for president 60%


    https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1650123114750017536

    I am rather surprised by the Biden figure. I get he's 140 years old, and his ratings are not actually amazing, but I'd expect a higher support figure for a run as a matter of partisan loyalty.
    Presumably there are a lot of Dems out there who would vote for Biden if he was the D on the ballot, but who have some other Democrat in mind who they think would be better (but not generally the *same* other Democrat...) ?
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    edited April 2023
    @Cyclefree

    Thanks for header. I have a question on this S35/GRR case if you're still doing a bit of BTL.

    The main UKG argument - which I get - is that although GRR in itself is intra vires for the SG, the veto is valid because the bill impacts the operation of the EA, which is a UK matter.

    When it comes to looking at this specific point will the judges use any concept of materiality? Eg if they find that yes it would impact the workings of the EA but only in a very minor way, would this iyo be enough to find for the UKG?

    (question to @DavidL too)
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385

    NBC poll:

    Do you think Joe Biden should…

    Run for president 26%
    Not run for president 70%

    Do you think Donald Trump should…

    Run for president 35%
    Not run for president 60%


    https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1650123114750017536

    Correct answer on both questions
    You would probably get a majority for "not run" for any given named individual in the USA.
    Put the corpse of Abraham Lincoln in.

    It couldn't possibly make a worse mess of things than Trump has.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    Good news innit. The Jocks "fighting" one another for centuries... takes the pressure off London....
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    Ah, I see Peston is trying his own whataboutery. Apparently if you don't buy wholesale a nonsensical apology you don't believe in compassion, understanding and forgiveness (he is right though that I did not know he was Jewish, not that it affects my opinion that his view was stupid).

    Some of you don’t appear to know that I am Jewish, have been confronted by antisemitism and have campaigned against it - and all racism - my whole life. However I passionately believe that the good society is built on compassion, understanding and forgiveness.
    https://twitter.com/Peston/status/1650149005089730561?cxt=HHwWgsCzrd_xwOYtAAAA
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822

    NBC poll:

    Do you think Joe Biden should…

    Run for president 26%
    Not run for president 70%

    Do you think Donald Trump should…

    Run for president 35%
    Not run for president 60%


    https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1650123114750017536

    Correct answer on both questions
    You would probably get a majority for "not run" for any given named individual in the USA.
    That is almost certainly correct.

    https://today.yougov.com/ratings/politics/popularity/politicians/all

    Jimmy Carter a surprising, to me at least, leader in the yougov ratings for US politicans can be ruled out at 98. Obama and Arnie ineligible which makes Bernie the only politician with a 50%+ favourable rating who could stand. And some of those favourables won't want him to stand if they think he would probably lose, or they prefer another Democrat.

    Sadly Trump probably leads this with 35%.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,423

    That siren made me shudder, physically and psychologically

    Didn't hear it.

    I left my phone at home and took my wallet out this afternoon.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    An unforeseeable outcome

    Britain's £3.2 billion aircraft carrier HMS Prince of Wales has been reduced to acting as a scrap-yard. Essential pieces of equipment are being ripped out of the stricken warship, a move that raises questions over its long-term future.

    The UK's second carrier has been in dry dock since breaking down off Portsmouth in August 2022.

    Now Navy top brass have begun stripping the carrier – a process known as 'cannibalisation' – which will render HMS Prince of Wales inoperable for much longer.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12003445/Stricken-3-2BN-Royal-Navy-aircraft-carrier-HMS-Prince-Wales-reduced-acting-scrap-yard.html
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    ydoethur said:

    NBC poll:

    Do you think Joe Biden should…

    Run for president 26%
    Not run for president 70%

    Do you think Donald Trump should…

    Run for president 35%
    Not run for president 60%


    https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1650123114750017536

    Correct answer on both questions
    You would probably get a majority for "not run" for any given named individual in the USA.
    Put the corpse of Abraham Lincoln in.

    It couldn't possibly make a worse mess of things than Trump has.
    Too anti-confederacy for today's GOP.
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 689
    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    NBC poll:

    Do you think Joe Biden should…

    Run for president 26%
    Not run for president 70%

    Do you think Donald Trump should…

    Run for president 35%
    Not run for president 60%


    https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1650123114750017536

    While Trump has his well publicised issues, Biden is now getting a good amount of heat over the IRS Whistleblower / retired spy dossier stuff that has emerged in the US over the past several days.

    That could have some betting implications (although I am sure the Biden Taliban will be on here downplaying the issues pretty soon...)
    That Netflix series Diplomat (about an unfeasibly pretty slender US ambassadress to the UK) is interesting. The elderly president is clearly based on Biden, the characters discuss his advanced years, the difficulty of his decline, the way he replaced someone even worse but still

    It shows impatience with Biden even from a sympathetic source like Hollywood
    Saw two episodes last night.
    Total gash. The dialogue makes me cringe.

    But will keep watching for the shots of London.
    Yes, it ain’t the West Wing (as it has been compared to, insanely)

    It has mad plot twists, weird non sequiturs, weak jokes, a quite absurd amount of senior black politicians/spies, and yet it is pleasantly diverting, nonetheless



    It has a jagged story line with some totally non-credible characters. But a nice twist at the end. In episode 5(?) it mentions the 'Scottish problem' and also Wales.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    Penddu2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    NBC poll:

    Do you think Joe Biden should…

    Run for president 26%
    Not run for president 70%

    Do you think Donald Trump should…

    Run for president 35%
    Not run for president 60%


    https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1650123114750017536

    While Trump has his well publicised issues, Biden is now getting a good amount of heat over the IRS Whistleblower / retired spy dossier stuff that has emerged in the US over the past several days.

    That could have some betting implications (although I am sure the Biden Taliban will be on here downplaying the issues pretty soon...)
    That Netflix series Diplomat (about an unfeasibly pretty slender US ambassadress to the UK) is interesting. The elderly president is clearly based on Biden, the characters discuss his advanced years, the difficulty of his decline, the way he replaced someone even worse but still

    It shows impatience with Biden even from a sympathetic source like Hollywood
    Saw two episodes last night.
    Total gash. The dialogue makes me cringe.

    But will keep watching for the shots of London.
    Yes, it ain’t the West Wing (as it has been compared to, insanely)

    It has mad plot twists, weird non sequiturs, weak jokes, a quite absurd amount of senior black politicians/spies, and yet it is pleasantly diverting, nonetheless



    It has a jagged story line with some totally non-credible characters. But a nice twist at the end. In episode 5(?) it mentions the 'Scottish problem' and also Wales.
    Impressive, I didn't know American TV writers knew Wales existed.
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759

    That siren made me shudder, physically and psychologically

    Didn't hear it.

    I left my phone at home and took my wallet out this afternoon.
    Very wise - it'll have scared off the mice.
  • CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 60,216

    The Scottish question?

    My FIRST Scottish Question would be. Can I buy your unwanted, unused and effectively new coach-built motorhome for 50% of its original retail value?

    And the fridge freezer
    Probably some phones in there too….
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802
    Three fucked up the emergency signal propagation which is why Three customers didn't get it. I expect they will get a fine from ofcom.

    As to people wanting to turn it off, I don't understand it really. It's not exactly intrusive and I doubt we'll hear it again unless there's a nuclear attack so I think that's never.
  • EabhalEabhal Posts: 8,650
    FPT the lack of alert is something to do with Three. Possibly if you have WiFi calling enabled and were connected to WiFi.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    edited April 2023
    I think Spurs supporters go the Emergency signal loud and clear....
  • OmniumOmnium Posts: 10,759
    kle4 said:

    An unforeseeable outcome

    Britain's £3.2 billion aircraft carrier HMS Prince of Wales has been reduced to acting as a scrap-yard. Essential pieces of equipment are being ripped out of the stricken warship, a move that raises questions over its long-term future.

    The UK's second carrier has been in dry dock since breaking down off Portsmouth in August 2022.

    Now Navy top brass have begun stripping the carrier – a process known as 'cannibalisation' – which will render HMS Prince of Wales inoperable for much longer.

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12003445/Stricken-3-2BN-Royal-Navy-aircraft-carrier-HMS-Prince-Wales-reduced-acting-scrap-yard.html

    The Royal Navy really have buggered up their procurement. They can't even defend these carriers unless the rest of the fleet does nothing else. (In part the stretch is due to diabolical cost management)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    Newcastle will be champions within 3 seasons and UCL winners in 5
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 689
    in the 1707 Tsunami that hit the Bristol Channel there was widespread flooding (and deaths) up to what is now Cardiff Central Station and all of the flat tidal area between Cardiff and Chepstow (the Gwent Levels). Not many people lived there then but plenty of people working the fields were drowned. Today this area has a population of maybe 50,000 and it would be an epic disater. Flooding also in South Carmarthenshire and North Somerset
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,587
    Eabhal said:

    FPT the lack of alert is something to do with Three. Possibly if you have WiFi calling enabled and were connected to WiFi.

    I don't have WiFi enabled, wasn't connected to WiFi, was connected via 5G, had alerts on, and got no alert. It's a bigger problem.

    Three are generally shit, though. I only joined for free roaming in the US.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    edited April 2023
    kle4 said:

    Penddu2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    NBC poll:

    Do you think Joe Biden should…

    Run for president 26%
    Not run for president 70%

    Do you think Donald Trump should…

    Run for president 35%
    Not run for president 60%


    https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1650123114750017536

    While Trump has his well publicised issues, Biden is now getting a good amount of heat over the IRS Whistleblower / retired spy dossier stuff that has emerged in the US over the past several days.

    That could have some betting implications (although I am sure the Biden Taliban will be on here downplaying the issues pretty soon...)
    That Netflix series Diplomat (about an unfeasibly pretty slender US ambassadress to the UK) is interesting. The elderly president is clearly based on Biden, the characters discuss his advanced years, the difficulty of his decline, the way he replaced someone even worse but still

    It shows impatience with Biden even from a sympathetic source like Hollywood
    Saw two episodes last night.
    Total gash. The dialogue makes me cringe.

    But will keep watching for the shots of London.
    Yes, it ain’t the West Wing (as it has been compared to, insanely)

    It has mad plot twists, weird non sequiturs, weak jokes, a quite absurd amount of senior black politicians/spies, and yet it is pleasantly diverting, nonetheless



    It has a jagged story line with some totally non-credible characters. But a nice twist at the end. In episode 5(?) it mentions the 'Scottish problem' and also Wales.
    Impressive, I didn't know American TV writers knew Wales existed.
    I like the fact they expect viewers to know what GCHQ, MI5, and the Foreign Secretary is.

    I don’t like the fact that it’s basically West Wing meets Homeland meets Emily in Paris.

    It’s quite silly.
  • mwadamsmwadams Posts: 3,593
    Leon said:

    Newcastle will be champions within 3 seasons and UCL winners in 5

    That's cursed them.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,723
    Leon said:

    Newcastle will be champions within 3 seasons and UCL winners in 5

    You mean Spurs won't?
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,748
    Another Scottish question. The BBC reports:
    "The Proclaimers have been removed from an official King's coronation playlist after they were criticised for their anti-royal views.
    Craig and Charlie Reid's hit I'm Gonna Be (500 Miles) was featured alongside prominent UK artists.
    Last year they agreed with a republican demonstrator who shouted during the proclamation of King Charles.
    The BBC understands the song was removed by the UK government following complaints."


  • CookieCookie Posts: 13,793
    Leon said:

    Jesus Christ a harrowing Al Jazeera report from Kyiv of all the amputee soldiers and civilians getting prosthetic limbs

    I know this is cheap pointless sentiment but this fucking stupid war. My god

    The Ukrainians will want revenge on Russia for the next 100 years. There will be terror attacks in Moscow for a generation

    On which subject,
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/04/23/russia-imprisoning-its-own-soldiers-in-caged-pits/
    Russia reintroducing medeival punishments for desertion and drunkenness.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134
    Eabhal said:

    FPT the lack of alert is something to do with Three. Possibly if you have WiFi calling enabled and were connected to WiFi.

    I'm O2 but didn't get it either. I was looking forward to it too. Nice warm feeling of being thought about and protected. Why I've been left out, I cannot fathom. Rather hacked off.
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 689
    kle4 said:

    Penddu2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    NBC poll:

    Do you think Joe Biden should…

    Run for president 26%
    Not run for president 70%

    Do you think Donald Trump should…

    Run for president 35%
    Not run for president 60%


    https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1650123114750017536

    While Trump has his well publicised issues, Biden is now getting a good amount of heat over the IRS Whistleblower / retired spy dossier stuff that has emerged in the US over the past several days.

    That could have some betting implications (although I am sure the Biden Taliban will be on here downplaying the issues pretty soon...)
    That Netflix series Diplomat (about an unfeasibly pretty slender US ambassadress to the UK) is interesting. The elderly president is clearly based on Biden, the characters discuss his advanced years, the difficulty of his decline, the way he replaced someone even worse but still

    It shows impatience with Biden even from a sympathetic source like Hollywood
    Saw two episodes last night.
    Total gash. The dialogue makes me cringe.

    But will keep watching for the shots of London.
    Yes, it ain’t the West Wing (as it has been compared to, insanely)

    It has mad plot twists, weird non sequiturs, weak jokes, a quite absurd amount of senior black politicians/spies, and yet it is pleasantly diverting, nonetheless



    It has a jagged story line with some totally non-credible characters. But a nice twist at the end. In episode 5(?) it mentions the 'Scottish problem' and also Wales.
    Impressive, I didn't know American TV writers knew Wales existed.
    Apart from Wrexham....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385
    edited April 2023
    Penddu2 said:

    in the 1707 Tsunami that hit the Bristol Channel there was widespread flooding (and deaths) up to what is now Cardiff Central Station and all of the flat tidal area between Cardiff and Chepstow (the Gwent Levels). Not many people lived there then but plenty of people working the fields were drowned. Today this area has a population of maybe 50,000 and it would be an epic disater. Flooding also in South Carmarthenshire and North Somerset

    Do you mean the 1607 flooding? More likely a storm surge than a tsunami (as it was more localised than a Tsunami would have been). But yes, a similar event today would be catastrophic. Not least because there are two nuclear power stations in the flooded area that might do a Fukushima in the event of either.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,191
    No alarm for me, which was convenient as I was having a nap with the baby
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    Penddu2 said:

    kle4 said:

    Penddu2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    NBC poll:

    Do you think Joe Biden should…

    Run for president 26%
    Not run for president 70%

    Do you think Donald Trump should…

    Run for president 35%
    Not run for president 60%


    https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1650123114750017536

    While Trump has his well publicised issues, Biden is now getting a good amount of heat over the IRS Whistleblower / retired spy dossier stuff that has emerged in the US over the past several days.

    That could have some betting implications (although I am sure the Biden Taliban will be on here downplaying the issues pretty soon...)
    That Netflix series Diplomat (about an unfeasibly pretty slender US ambassadress to the UK) is interesting. The elderly president is clearly based on Biden, the characters discuss his advanced years, the difficulty of his decline, the way he replaced someone even worse but still

    It shows impatience with Biden even from a sympathetic source like Hollywood
    Saw two episodes last night.
    Total gash. The dialogue makes me cringe.

    But will keep watching for the shots of London.
    Yes, it ain’t the West Wing (as it has been compared to, insanely)

    It has mad plot twists, weird non sequiturs, weak jokes, a quite absurd amount of senior black politicians/spies, and yet it is pleasantly diverting, nonetheless



    It has a jagged story line with some totally non-credible characters. But a nice twist at the end. In episode 5(?) it mentions the 'Scottish problem' and also Wales.
    Impressive, I didn't know American TV writers knew Wales existed.
    Apart from Wrexham....
    EPL is surprisingly big here.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,705
    How many phones went off at the snooker at 3pm? I wasn't watching...
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385
    Cookie said:

    Leon said:

    Jesus Christ a harrowing Al Jazeera report from Kyiv of all the amputee soldiers and civilians getting prosthetic limbs

    I know this is cheap pointless sentiment but this fucking stupid war. My god

    The Ukrainians will want revenge on Russia for the next 100 years. There will be terror attacks in Moscow for a generation

    On which subject,
    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/04/23/russia-imprisoning-its-own-soldiers-in-caged-pits/
    Russia reintroducing medeival punishments for desertion and drunkenness.
    I take it these don't apply to Putin or his mates?

    Imagine how difficult it would have been to impose that in the era of Yeltsin...
  • jamesdoylejamesdoyle Posts: 790
    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT the lack of alert is something to do with Three. Possibly if you have WiFi calling enabled and were connected to WiFi.

    I'm O2 but didn't get it either. I was looking forward to it too. Nice warm feeling of being thought about and protected. Why I've been left out, I cannot fathom. Rather hacked off.
    They've got a little list...
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277

    kle4 said:

    Penddu2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    NBC poll:

    Do you think Joe Biden should…

    Run for president 26%
    Not run for president 70%

    Do you think Donald Trump should…

    Run for president 35%
    Not run for president 60%


    https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1650123114750017536

    While Trump has his well publicised issues, Biden is now getting a good amount of heat over the IRS Whistleblower / retired spy dossier stuff that has emerged in the US over the past several days.

    That could have some betting implications (although I am sure the Biden Taliban will be on here downplaying the issues pretty soon...)
    That Netflix series Diplomat (about an unfeasibly pretty slender US ambassadress to the UK) is interesting. The elderly president is clearly based on Biden, the characters discuss his advanced years, the difficulty of his decline, the way he replaced someone even worse but still

    It shows impatience with Biden even from a sympathetic source like Hollywood
    Saw two episodes last night.
    Total gash. The dialogue makes me cringe.

    But will keep watching for the shots of London.
    Yes, it ain’t the West Wing (as it has been compared to, insanely)

    It has mad plot twists, weird non sequiturs, weak jokes, a quite absurd amount of senior black politicians/spies, and yet it is pleasantly diverting, nonetheless



    It has a jagged story line with some totally non-credible characters. But a nice twist at the end. In episode 5(?) it mentions the 'Scottish problem' and also Wales.
    Impressive, I didn't know American TV writers knew Wales existed.
    I like the fact they expect viewers to know what GCHQ, MI5, and the Foreign Secretary is.

    I don’t like the fact that it’s basically West Wing meets Homeland meets Emily in Paris.

    It’s quite silly.
    plus a big dash of Downton Abbey. And very Woke

    But just enjoy it for what it is, soap opera with a lash of politics, and it is quite fun. And instantly forgettable. It is also 7 million times better than the TV version of Lord of the Rings
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,385
    edited April 2023

    kle4 said:

    If Biden did win, and serve out his term, his political career would run from 1971-2029. Not a bad run, but he could have gotten in earlier and get into a 7th decade of service.

    Read that as 1791-2029. Didn't blink, seemed plausible for Biden.
    Ronald Reagan, in one of his State of the Union addresses, noted the first one dated from 1790. 'For our friends in the press, who set a high store on accuracy, I would like to make it clear I was not present.'
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083

    kle4 said:

    Penddu2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    NBC poll:

    Do you think Joe Biden should…

    Run for president 26%
    Not run for president 70%

    Do you think Donald Trump should…

    Run for president 35%
    Not run for president 60%


    https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1650123114750017536

    While Trump has his well publicised issues, Biden is now getting a good amount of heat over the IRS Whistleblower / retired spy dossier stuff that has emerged in the US over the past several days.

    That could have some betting implications (although I am sure the Biden Taliban will be on here downplaying the issues pretty soon...)
    That Netflix series Diplomat (about an unfeasibly pretty slender US ambassadress to the UK) is interesting. The elderly president is clearly based on Biden, the characters discuss his advanced years, the difficulty of his decline, the way he replaced someone even worse but still

    It shows impatience with Biden even from a sympathetic source like Hollywood
    Saw two episodes last night.
    Total gash. The dialogue makes me cringe.

    But will keep watching for the shots of London.
    Yes, it ain’t the West Wing (as it has been compared to, insanely)

    It has mad plot twists, weird non sequiturs, weak jokes, a quite absurd amount of senior black politicians/spies, and yet it is pleasantly diverting, nonetheless



    It has a jagged story line with some totally non-credible characters. But a nice twist at the end. In episode 5(?) it mentions the 'Scottish problem' and also Wales.
    Impressive, I didn't know American TV writers knew Wales existed.
    I like the fact they expect viewers to know what GCHQ, MI5, and the Foreign Secretary is.

    I don’t like the fact that it’s basically West Wing meets Homeland meets Emily in Paris.

    It’s quite silly.
    You've kind of sold me on it though.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,298
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Penddu2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    NBC poll:

    Do you think Joe Biden should…

    Run for president 26%
    Not run for president 70%

    Do you think Donald Trump should…

    Run for president 35%
    Not run for president 60%


    https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1650123114750017536

    While Trump has his well publicised issues, Biden is now getting a good amount of heat over the IRS Whistleblower / retired spy dossier stuff that has emerged in the US over the past several days.

    That could have some betting implications (although I am sure the Biden Taliban will be on here downplaying the issues pretty soon...)
    That Netflix series Diplomat (about an unfeasibly pretty slender US ambassadress to the UK) is interesting. The elderly president is clearly based on Biden, the characters discuss his advanced years, the difficulty of his decline, the way he replaced someone even worse but still

    It shows impatience with Biden even from a sympathetic source like Hollywood
    Saw two episodes last night.
    Total gash. The dialogue makes me cringe.

    But will keep watching for the shots of London.
    Yes, it ain’t the West Wing (as it has been compared to, insanely)

    It has mad plot twists, weird non sequiturs, weak jokes, a quite absurd amount of senior black politicians/spies, and yet it is pleasantly diverting, nonetheless



    It has a jagged story line with some totally non-credible characters. But a nice twist at the end. In episode 5(?) it mentions the 'Scottish problem' and also Wales.
    Impressive, I didn't know American TV writers knew Wales existed.
    I like the fact they expect viewers to know what GCHQ, MI5, and the Foreign Secretary is.

    I don’t like the fact that it’s basically West Wing meets Homeland meets Emily in Paris.

    It’s quite silly.
    You've kind of sold me on it though.
    People recommended it to me, and when it starts with a naval bombing, I got quite excited.

    But it’s basically a “Pretty Women” set at the Court of St James, ie relatable woman (albeit one with a specialism in Afghan and Pakistan) makes good.

    With hilarious results!
  • LeonLeon Posts: 55,277
    kle4 said:

    kle4 said:

    Penddu2 said:

    Leon said:

    Leon said:

    NBC poll:

    Do you think Joe Biden should…

    Run for president 26%
    Not run for president 70%

    Do you think Donald Trump should…

    Run for president 35%
    Not run for president 60%


    https://twitter.com/stevekornacki/status/1650123114750017536

    While Trump has his well publicised issues, Biden is now getting a good amount of heat over the IRS Whistleblower / retired spy dossier stuff that has emerged in the US over the past several days.

    That could have some betting implications (although I am sure the Biden Taliban will be on here downplaying the issues pretty soon...)
    That Netflix series Diplomat (about an unfeasibly pretty slender US ambassadress to the UK) is interesting. The elderly president is clearly based on Biden, the characters discuss his advanced years, the difficulty of his decline, the way he replaced someone even worse but still

    It shows impatience with Biden even from a sympathetic source like Hollywood
    Saw two episodes last night.
    Total gash. The dialogue makes me cringe.

    But will keep watching for the shots of London.
    Yes, it ain’t the West Wing (as it has been compared to, insanely)

    It has mad plot twists, weird non sequiturs, weak jokes, a quite absurd amount of senior black politicians/spies, and yet it is pleasantly diverting, nonetheless



    It has a jagged story line with some totally non-credible characters. But a nice twist at the end. In episode 5(?) it mentions the 'Scottish problem' and also Wales.
    Impressive, I didn't know American TV writers knew Wales existed.
    I like the fact they expect viewers to know what GCHQ, MI5, and the Foreign Secretary is.

    I don’t like the fact that it’s basically West Wing meets Homeland meets Emily in Paris.

    It’s quite silly.
    You've kind of sold me on it though.
    It’s worth it in a frothy bingey way, as your wait for better series to renew or complete

    Speaking of which, there is a threatened Writers Strike in Hollywood commencing May 1 (not definite yet but quite possible). The last time it happened in 2007 it basically killed new drama for a year and American studios had to churn out endless reality TV, which doesn’t need writers

    So, basically, really quite shit for fans of TV drama. Pray they settle the dispute
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 42,134

    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT the lack of alert is something to do with Three. Possibly if you have WiFi calling enabled and were connected to WiFi.

    I'm O2 but didn't get it either. I was looking forward to it too. Nice warm feeling of being thought about and protected. Why I've been left out, I cannot fathom. Rather hacked off.
    They've got a little list...
    Well I'm trying not to think that but it's the obvious conclusion ... racking my brains for what I might have done.
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 689
    ydoethur said:

    Penddu2 said:

    in the 1707 Tsunami that hit the Bristol Channel there was widespread flooding (and deaths) up to what is now Cardiff Central Station and all of the flat tidal area between Cardiff and Chepstow (the Gwent Levels). Not many people lived there then but plenty of people working the fields were drowned. Today this area has a population of maybe 50,000 and it would be an epic disater. Flooding also in South Carmarthenshire and North Somerset

    Do you mean the 1607 flooding? More likely a storm surge than a tsunami (as it was more localised than a Tsunami would have been). But yes, a similar event today would be catastrophic. Not least because there are two nuclear power stations in the flooded area that might do a Fukushima in the event of either.
    Yes - 1607 not 1707 - sorry. Lots of debate about whether it was a Tsunami or Storm Surge - but records from the time said it happened on a clear day - which supports the Tsunami theory.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,498
    MaxPB said:

    Three fucked up the emergency signal propagation which is why Three customers didn't get it. I expect they will get a fine from ofcom.

    As to people wanting to turn it off, I don't understand it really. It's not exactly intrusive and I doubt we'll hear it again unless there's a nuclear attack so I think that's never.

    Superman’s powers are waning 🙇‍♀️
  • ChrisChris Posts: 11,748
    kinabalu said:

    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT the lack of alert is something to do with Three. Possibly if you have WiFi calling enabled and were connected to WiFi.

    I'm O2 but didn't get it either. I was looking forward to it too. Nice warm feeling of being thought about and protected. Why I've been left out, I cannot fathom. Rather hacked off.
    They've got a little list...
    Well I'm trying not to think that but it's the obvious conclusion ... racking my brains for what I might have done.
    Your posts here have hardly been supportive to the Great Leader.
  • OldKingColeOldKingCole Posts: 33,430
    Penddu2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Penddu2 said:

    in the 1707 Tsunami that hit the Bristol Channel there was widespread flooding (and deaths) up to what is now Cardiff Central Station and all of the flat tidal area between Cardiff and Chepstow (the Gwent Levels). Not many people lived there then but plenty of people working the fields were drowned. Today this area has a population of maybe 50,000 and it would be an epic disater. Flooding also in South Carmarthenshire and North Somerset

    Do you mean the 1607 flooding? More likely a storm surge than a tsunami (as it was more localised than a Tsunami would have been). But yes, a similar event today would be catastrophic. Not least because there are two nuclear power stations in the flooded area that might do a Fukushima in the event of either.
    Yes - 1607 not 1707 - sorry. Lots of debate about whether it was a Tsunami or Storm Surge - but records from the time said it happened on a clear day - which supports the Tsunami theory.
    When was the last major volcanic or similar event in the Canaries?
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 12,496
    Who will win asks Cyclefree? Answer: Kate Forbes.

    She thinks the GRR bill is nonsense, and in this agrees with ordinary opinion, so she is in a win/win whatever happens in the courts.

    She also believes (wrongly IMHO) in independence - of course, but believes in it intelligently. That is, that the three prongs of achieving it are proper old fashioned liberal democratic ones - the persuasive nature of your arguments, the persuasive nature of your policies and the persuasive nature of your competence.

    This is good, despite my disagreements with her. Incompetent, illiberal political chancers ought to be properly fearful of liberal democratic believers in persuasion and competence. Can England borrow her by any chance?
  • MightyAlexMightyAlex Posts: 1,660
    Chris said:

    Another Scottish question. The BBC reports:
    "The Proclaimers have been removed from an official King's coronation playlist after they were criticised for their anti-royal views.
    Craig and Charlie Reid's hit I'm Gonna Be (500 Miles) was featured alongside prominent UK artists.
    Last year they agreed with a republican demonstrator who shouted during the proclamation of King Charles.
    The BBC understands the song was removed by the UK government following complaints."


    More a question of tolerance. I expect the Free Speech Union will jump on this.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    edited April 2023
    I turned off my phone to have a nap, so didn't get it.
    The entirety of my school, students and staff have phones turned off all day, every day.
    How do they alert us?
  • CyclefreeCyclefree Posts: 25,310
    kinabalu said:

    @Cyclefree

    Thanks for header. I have a question on this S35/GRR case if you're still doing a bit of BTL.

    The main UKG argument - which I get - is that although GRR in itself is intra vires for the SG, the veto is valid because the bill impacts the operation of the EA, which is a UK matter.

    When it comes to looking at this specific point will the judges use any concept of materiality? Eg if they find that yes it would impact the workings of the EA but only in a very minor way, would this iyo be enough to find for the UKG?

    (question to @DavidL too)

    The U.K. government's position is that the GRR Bill is ultra vires because it necessarily impacts on reserved matters as a result of the significant changes it makes. They are not, as fas as I can see, saying that the Bill is intra vires.

    As to the materiality point, that is a good question. There are 2 schools of thought that I have seen: as this is a constitutional matter relating to the powers of a Parliament, there should be a high bar for the exercise of the veto. The other states that the court should not get into the merits of the decision but merely assess whether there are reasonable grounds to believe in adverse effects ie unless they are obviously frivolous the court will not look into whether it would have made the same or a different decision.

    I think that if the first test is met it will be hard for the Scottish government to argue that the effects are immaterial precisely because it has said that this Bill makes and is intended to make a significant change. But I also think that the court is likely to inquire into the reasonableness of the objections precisely because this is the first such case and it will want to make a definitive judgment.

    But, frankly, who knows.
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 689
    What a lot of people dont realise is that this coastal strip is a series of flood marshes that were reclaimed by the Romans who built a sea wall. The wall has been rebuilt many times and I dont know if you can still find traces of the original Roman 'wall' (embankment).

    What have the Romans ever done for us?
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319
    Beginning to mimic the Tories, they have wrecked UK and fcuked Scotland into the bargain
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319

    Good news innit. The Jocks "fighting" one another for centuries... takes the pressure off London....

    Fat chance , don't laugh just yet sunshine
  • DriverDriver Posts: 4,963

    How many phones went off at the snooker at 3pm? I wasn't watching...

    They stopped play for it.
  • RobDRobD Posts: 59,928
    dixiedean said:

    I turned off my phone to have a nap, so didn't get it.
    The entirety of my school, students and staff have phones turned off all day, every day.
    How do they alert us?

    If it’s a problem at the school itself, via the phone I would imagine.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,401
    Penddu2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Penddu2 said:

    in the 1707 Tsunami that hit the Bristol Channel there was widespread flooding (and deaths) up to what is now Cardiff Central Station and all of the flat tidal area between Cardiff and Chepstow (the Gwent Levels). Not many people lived there then but plenty of people working the fields were drowned. Today this area has a population of maybe 50,000 and it would be an epic disater. Flooding also in South Carmarthenshire and North Somerset

    Do you mean the 1607 flooding? More likely a storm surge than a tsunami (as it was more localised than a Tsunami would have been). But yes, a similar event today would be catastrophic. Not least because there are two nuclear power stations in the flooded area that might do a Fukushima in the event of either.
    Yes - 1607 not 1707 - sorry. Lots of debate about whether it was a Tsunami or Storm Surge - but records from the time said it happened on a clear day - which supports the Tsunami theory.
    It also happened at a Spring Tide. With strong SW gales and flooding in East Anglia later.
    Which suggests storm surge.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319
    Chris said:

    Another Scottish question. The BBC reports:
    "The Proclaimers have been removed from an official King's coronation playlist after they were criticised for their anti-royal views.
    Craig and Charlie Reid's hit I'm Gonna Be (500 Miles) was featured alongside prominent UK artists.
    Last year they agreed with a republican demonstrator who shouted during the proclamation of King Charles.
    The BBC understands the song was removed by the UK government following complaints."


    What a bunch of sad tossers the UK chinless wonders are
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 13,498
    ydoethur said:

    Penddu2 said:

    in the 1707 Tsunami that hit the Bristol Channel there was widespread flooding (and deaths) up to what is now Cardiff Central Station and all of the flat tidal area between Cardiff and Chepstow (the Gwent Levels). Not many people lived there then but plenty of people working the fields were drowned. Today this area has a population of maybe 50,000 and it would be an epic disater. Flooding also in South Carmarthenshire and North Somerset

    Do you mean the 1607 flooding? More likely a storm surge than a tsunami (as it was more localised than a Tsunami would have been). But yes, a similar event today would be catastrophic. Not least because there are two nuclear power stations in the flooded area that might do a Fukushima in the event of either.
    The most likely cause being sin. God sent a message to the people of Wales Gloucestershire and Somerset for something. Most likely excessive livestock worrying. 🐑🐐
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,130
    MaxPB said:


    As to people wanting to turn it off, I don't understand it really. It's not exactly intrusive and I doubt we'll hear it again unless there's a nuclear attack so I think that's never.

    My guess is that the fact that the first most people heard of it was the government wanting to send literally everybody a pretty intrusive "this is a test" message has given a poor impression. I'm happy to get tsunami and earthquake warnings, but if whoever's in charge is happy to send broadcast test messages they clearly have a rather lower bar on what's worth bothering the population about...
  • felixfelix Posts: 15,164
    kinabalu said:

    Eabhal said:

    FPT the lack of alert is something to do with Three. Possibly if you have WiFi calling enabled and were connected to WiFi.

    I'm O2 but didn't get it either. I was looking forward to it too. Nice warm feeling of being thought about and protected. Why I've been left out, I cannot fathom. Rather hacked off.
    Turn the hearing aid volume back up...
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660
    BJO Pollwatch

    Polls published in last 7 days

    LAB 42,45,44,43,43,44,47 AVE 44.0

    CON 28,31,32,29,28,31,27 AVE 29.47

    LAB Lead 14.53

    LOWEST LAB LEAD OF 2023
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    pm215 said:

    MaxPB said:


    As to people wanting to turn it off, I don't understand it really. It's not exactly intrusive and I doubt we'll hear it again unless there's a nuclear attack so I think that's never.

    My guess is that the fact that the first most people heard of it was the government wanting to send literally everybody a pretty intrusive "this is a test" message has given a poor impression. I'm happy to get tsunami and earthquake warnings, but if whoever's in charge is happy to send broadcast test messages they clearly have a rather lower bar on what's worth bothering the population about...
    I don't really follow this. There was clearly an attempt to make people aware, but with the best will in the world no matter what they did quite a lot of people would not have heard about it. So even if they'd written to everyone on the country first for millions of people it would have come out of the blue. As such, they might as well just do it as they did.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660

    BJO Pollwatch

    Polls published in last 7 days

    LAB 42,45,44,43,43,44,47 AVE 44.0

    CON 28,31,32,29,28,31,27 AVE 29.47

    LAB Lead 14.53

    LOWEST LAB LEAD OF 2023

    3 Weeks ago Average Lead was 20.38 Fall in Lab Lead 5.85
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218
    dixiedean said:

    I turned off my phone to have a nap, so didn't get it.
    The entirety of my school, students and staff have phones turned off all day, every day.
    How do they alert us?

    What you're saying is that there's a risk that the only children to survive The Event will be naughty children from schools where they can't enforce the rules, so they still have their phones on.

    Hence, if we must have a cataclysm, we would prefer it to be during the school holidays.
  • pm215pm215 Posts: 1,130
    kle4 said:

    pm215 said:

    MaxPB said:


    As to people wanting to turn it off, I don't understand it really. It's not exactly intrusive and I doubt we'll hear it again unless there's a nuclear attack so I think that's never.

    My guess is that the fact that the first most people heard of it was the government wanting to send literally everybody a pretty intrusive "this is a test" message has given a poor impression. I'm happy to get tsunami and earthquake warnings, but if whoever's in charge is happy to send broadcast test messages they clearly have a rather lower bar on what's worth bothering the population about...
    I don't really follow this. There was clearly an attempt to make people aware, but with the best will in the world no matter what they did quite a lot of people would not have heard about it. So even if they'd written to everyone on the country first for millions of people it would have come out of the blue. As such, they might as well just do it as they did.
    I'm not saying people are grumpy about not being pre-informed, I'm suggesting they're grumpy about getting a test message *at all* (with accompanying disruption to snooker, theatre, sleeping kids, etc).
  • BJO Pollwatch

    Polls published in last 7 days

    LAB 42,45,44,43,43,44,47 AVE 44.0

    CON 28,31,32,29,28,31,27 AVE 29.47

    LAB Lead 14.53

    LOWEST LAB LEAD OF 2023

    3 Weeks ago Average Lead was 20.38 Fall in Lab Lead 5.85
    Only the continuation of a massively corrupt Tory government can bring about true socialism. Or something.
  • NeilVWNeilVW Posts: 732

    dixiedean said:

    I turned off my phone to have a nap, so didn't get it.
    The entirety of my school, students and staff have phones turned off all day, every day.
    How do they alert us?

    What you're saying is that there's a risk that the only children to survive The Event will be naughty children from schools where they can't enforce the rules, so they still have their phones on.

    Hence, if we must have a cataclysm, we would prefer it to be during the school holidays.
    They must have thought of this, you would hope. Presumably an email would go to all schools and similar. If email is working at that point…
  • Penddu2Penddu2 Posts: 689
    dixiedean said:

    Penddu2 said:

    ydoethur said:

    Penddu2 said:

    in the 1707 Tsunami that hit the Bristol Channel there was widespread flooding (and deaths) up to what is now Cardiff Central Station and all of the flat tidal area between Cardiff and Chepstow (the Gwent Levels). Not many people lived there then but plenty of people working the fields were drowned. Today this area has a population of maybe 50,000 and it would be an epic disater. Flooding also in South Carmarthenshire and North Somerset

    Do you mean the 1607 flooding? More likely a storm surge than a tsunami (as it was more localised than a Tsunami would have been). But yes, a similar event today would be catastrophic. Not least because there are two nuclear power stations in the flooded area that might do a Fukushima in the event of either.
    Yes - 1607 not 1707 - sorry. Lots of debate about whether it was a Tsunami or Storm Surge - but records from the time said it happened on a clear day - which supports the Tsunami theory.
    It also happened at a Spring Tide. With strong SW gales and flooding in East Anglia later.
    Which suggests storm surge.
    We will probably never know - but it was certainly a big f###ing disaster. It destroyed St Marys Church at the bottom of St Marys Street in Cardiff - an area which is about 2km from shore.
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,660

    BJO Pollwatch

    Polls published in last 7 days

    LAB 42,45,44,43,43,44,47 AVE 44.0

    CON 28,31,32,29,28,31,27 AVE 29.47

    LAB Lead 14.53

    LOWEST LAB LEAD OF 2023

    3 Weeks ago Average Lead was 20.38 Fall in Lab Lead 5.85
    Only the continuation of a massively corrupt Tory government can bring about true socialism. Or something.
    Nailed on then as one of the 2 Tory Parties (Blue or Red) is bound to win
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,580
    Well, having watched to the end of Picard series 3, I have something to say:

    Picard series 2 was better.

    I await a hefty hit from the ban-hammer.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822
    kle4 said:

    pm215 said:

    MaxPB said:


    As to people wanting to turn it off, I don't understand it really. It's not exactly intrusive and I doubt we'll hear it again unless there's a nuclear attack so I think that's never.

    My guess is that the fact that the first most people heard of it was the government wanting to send literally everybody a pretty intrusive "this is a test" message has given a poor impression. I'm happy to get tsunami and earthquake warnings, but if whoever's in charge is happy to send broadcast test messages they clearly have a rather lower bar on what's worth bothering the population about...
    I don't really follow this. There was clearly an attempt to make people aware, but with the best will in the world no matter what they did quite a lot of people would not have heard about it. So even if they'd written to everyone on the country first for millions of people it would have come out of the blue. As such, they might as well just do it as they did.
    Interesting there is money for awareness for a needless SMS campaign but not money for a campaign to help people reduce energy usage and bills at a time when the govt was subbing each unit of energy and the planet needs us to use less energy.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802
    pm215 said:

    MaxPB said:


    As to people wanting to turn it off, I don't understand it really. It's not exactly intrusive and I doubt we'll hear it again unless there's a nuclear attack so I think that's never.

    My guess is that the fact that the first most people heard of it was the government wanting to send literally everybody a pretty intrusive "this is a test" message has given a poor impression. I'm happy to get tsunami and earthquake warnings, but if whoever's in charge is happy to send broadcast test messages they clearly have a rather lower bar on what's worth bothering the population about...
    But the test was required to see if it actually worked and good thing we did it too because around 20% of phones didn't get the message because one of the networks didn't set up correctly. Imagine there was a tsunami and 20% of people didn't get notified because the system was never tested properly? That's precisely what would have happened before this test.
  • StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 17,218

    BJO Pollwatch

    Polls published in last 7 days

    LAB 42,45,44,43,43,44,47 AVE 44.0

    CON 28,31,32,29,28,31,27 AVE 29.47

    LAB Lead 14.53

    LOWEST LAB LEAD OF 2023

    3 Weeks ago Average Lead was 20.38 Fall in Lab Lead 5.85
    Only the continuation of a massively corrupt Tory government can bring about true socialism. Or something.
    Number of weeks where Corbyn had a 14 point lead: 0

    Number of weeks where EdM had a 14 point lead: not sure, maybe a couple in Autumn 2012?
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 22,822

    Well, having watched to the end of Picard series 3, I have something to say:

    Picard series 2 was better.

    I await a hefty hit from the ban-hammer.

    Should we watch series 1 and 2 first or just start on series 3? Not really a sci-fi fan but its sometimes ok it so probably 50-50 to enjoy it.
  • MaxPBMaxPB Posts: 38,802

    Well, having watched to the end of Picard series 3, I have something to say:

    Picard series 2 was better.

    I await a hefty hit from the ban-hammer.

    You mean the one where they didn't go into space? Are you having a laugh?!
  • BJO Pollwatch

    Polls published in last 7 days

    LAB 42,45,44,43,43,44,47 AVE 44.0

    CON 28,31,32,29,28,31,27 AVE 29.47

    LAB Lead 14.53

    LOWEST LAB LEAD OF 2023

    3 Weeks ago Average Lead was 20.38 Fall in Lab Lead 5.85
    Only the continuation of a massively corrupt Tory government can bring about true socialism. Or something.
    Nailed on then as one of the 2 Tory Parties (Blue or Red) is bound to win
    That you don't care which shows how far down the rabbit hole you have slid. Starmer is almost certain to disappoint on a large scale. But with billions of our money being corruptly handed to Tory patrons, even if the only good he does is stopping that, its worth the change.

    You on the other hand seem non-plussed by having your money stolen Which is odd.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    dixiedean said:

    I turned off my phone to have a nap, so didn't get it.
    The entirety of my school, students and staff have phones turned off all day, every day.
    How do they alert us?

    That will be stage 2 - screens and speakers in all classrooms and public spaces displaying messages from the Great Leader, a spokesman for a Thatcher statue.
  • SandraMcSandraMc Posts: 694
    dixiedean said:

    I turned off my phone to have a nap, so didn't get it.
    The entirety of my school, students and staff have phones turned off all day, every day.
    How do they alert us?

    I nodded off just before 3 for 15 minutes so not sure if the phone went off or not.
  • Meanwhile, the FA Cup lets choose who gets thrashed by Citeh tie has been entertaining in how poorly United can play and still be at 0-0.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 43,319
    Leslie Evans conspiracy and contempt of court not followed up by Police Scotland. Why?? https://caltonjock.com/2023/04/19/leslie-evans-conspiracy-and-contempt-of-court-not-followed-up-by-police-scotland-why/ via @twowittwo WHY HAVE THE POLICE NOT DONE SO?
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 42,580

    Well, having watched to the end of Picard series 3, I have something to say:

    Picard series 2 was better.

    I await a hefty hit from the ban-hammer.

    Should we watch series 1 and 2 first or just start on series 3? Not really a sci-fi fan but its sometimes ok it so probably 50-50 to enjoy it.
    It depends. If you are really into 1980s/1990s Stark Trek, then just watch Series 3.
    Series 1 was bitty, and I *really* dislike the moral implications of the ending remained untouched.
    Series 2 was better Sci-Fi, but poorer Star Trek, which means the fans disliked it.
    Series 3 was poorer Sci-Fi, but designed to give hard-ons to Star Trek fans.

    I'm not a Star Trek 'fan'; I found TOS to be dated back in the 1990s; but TNS, Voyager and DS9 were all enjoyable. But none of them are a patch on Babylon 5. ;)

    But worst of all: Picard displays the worst of all Sci-Fi issues: because a character is popular with the fans, there is a big temptation not to kill them off. And if they get killed off, then just wave your sci-fi wand and bring them back. That was novel with Spock in 'The Search for Spock'; now it's just a sign of writers in the control of the fans' damp, sticky hands.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,083
    MaxPB said:

    Well, having watched to the end of Picard series 3, I have something to say:

    Picard series 2 was better.

    I await a hefty hit from the ban-hammer.

    You mean the one where they didn't go into space? Are you having a laugh?!
    I've never looked at TNG the same way since a comic suggested it was basically just "Committee meetings...in Space!"

    https://www.basicinstructions.net/basic-instructions/2019/2/5/how-to-overlook-flaws
  • TazTaz Posts: 14,385
    Leon said:

    Newcastle will be champions within 3 seasons and UCL winners in 5

    Leondamus Strikes
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