@Carnyx - I am less convinced by the SNP than you. I think they understand the political landscape in Scotland and project views that they know are mainstream in order to get a hearing. I sense that the reality is that the party is a very broad coalition that has been put together and stays disciplined for one reason only. Once (if) that aim is achieved, it will pretty swiftly fade away. However, I am not in Scotland so admit I could be completely wrong! The term Tartan Tories sticks in my mind though.
Invoking the dead for any political campaign is pretty vile. It's a shame to hear that is happening.
I have a £50 free bet at Betway, need to use in the next 12 days and the market has to close in the next 12 days too...
Considering Scotland at 8.0, West Brom at 5.5, Chelsea at 4.2, Arsenal at 3.2, Everton at 3.4, Fulham at 12.0...
Back Everton to win the FA Cup at 6/1.
Utd and Spurs are already out and either City/Chelsea and Arsenal/Liverpool will go out next round. Everton are home to a piss poor Swansea team, Martinez won it last year, good bet in my opinion.
One of the rules is the market needs to settle in 30 days from 14th Jan (Date of triggering) so I can't use on that one ;(
A friend of mines first bet with them was a 20/1 winner, and he now gets a max of £8
Difficult to withdraw money from them too
I deposited £400 with them last year and tried to back Suarez top Prem scorer at 11/4
They knocked back the bet and then refused to give me the money back, accused me of money laundering and said I might get fined!!
@Carnyx - I am less convinced by the SNP than you. I think they understand the political landscape in Scotland and project views that they know are mainstream in order to get a hearing. I sense that the reality is that the party is a very broad coalition that has been put together and stays disciplined for one reason only. Once (if) that aim is achieved, it will pretty swiftly fade away. However, I am not in Scotland so admit I could be completely wrong! The term Tartan Tories sticks in my mind though.
Invoking the dead for any political campaign is pretty vile. It's a shame to hear that is happening.
The Tartan Tories is an old slur (decades old) and given that the SNP are well to the left of Labour it does rather raise questions about the Labour Party (who seem to have stopped using it, hardly surprisingly give their current bedfellows in the No campaign).
I know it's a pro-indy site but it's a reasonable account and the alternative is the Herald and the DT!
BTW I have no opinion or more precisely cannot make up my mind about the GW - just been reading Ferguson's piece in BBC History (obviously also acting as a puff piece for his new edition of The Pity of War). It was a serious mistake to enter in a land war for which the UK was so ill-prepared. And yet, even before they captured the Low Countries, the Germans were planning a direct naval challenge with Tirpitz's Risk Fleet and that was before anyone had realised the potential for guerre de course with the U-boats. Imagine what it would have been like with the French ports as well, with or without invasion. An excuse for more history reading!
@Carnyx - I am less convinced by the SNP than you. I think they understand the political landscape in Scotland and project views that they know are mainstream in order to get a hearing. I sense that the reality is that the party is a very broad coalition that has been put together and stays disciplined for one reason only. Once (if) that aim is achieved, it will pretty swiftly fade away. However, I am not in Scotland so admit I could be completely wrong! The term Tartan Tories sticks in my mind though.
Invoking the dead for any political campaign is pretty vile. It's a shame to hear that is happening.
The Tartan Tories is an old slur (decades old) and given that the SNP are well to the left of Labour it does rather raise questions about the Labour Party (who seem to have stopped using it, hardly surprisingly give their current bedfellows in the No campaign).
I know it's a pro-indy site but it's a reasonable account and the alternative is the Herald and the DT!
BTW I have no opinion or more precisely cannot make up my mind about the GW - just been reading Ferguson's piece in BBC History (obviously also acting as a puff piece for his new edition of The Pity of War). It was a serious mistake to enter in a land war for which the UK was so ill-prepared. And yet, even before they captured the Low Countries, the Germans were planning a direct naval challenge with Tirpitz's Risk Fleet and that was before anyone had realised the potential for guerre de course with the U-boats. Imagine what it would have been like with the French ports as well, with or without invasion. An excuse for more history reading!
Seems that the SNP don't much like free speech. Worrying.
@Carnyx - "And there is more to independence - industrial, defence, energy, farming and fisheries policies. And (as you (I think?) and others have said) it will no doubt be an interim arrangement till things develop and the economies begin to diverge."
This is absolutely true.
I also think there is a lot of downside for the rUK elite if Scotland were to become independent. Economically and financially, it may not make much difference, but politically it will be a very big deal - the elite will be emasculated in Europe and beyond as the UK, with all its historical legacy, will cease to exist. This, as well as a genuine affection for and pride in the UK, lies behind a lot of the vehemence. I also think that a Yes will have a profound effect on public opinion in England (as opposed to the rUK), especially among many UKIP and Tory voters. When they post on here and elsewhere "Please just get on with it", "Can we have a vote?" and other things to that effect, it seems to me that they protest too much. That may affect negotiations post-Yes, but in the end I believe that pragmatism on both sides will win the day. Anything else will be self-defeating.
For me, I am torn. I like the idea of the UK and what it could be. And as a centre-leftist (albeit a woolly one) I am suspicious of movements that seek to highlight differences rather than focus on similarities. However, I also think that if I were in Scotland I'd find it very difficult to argue against a Yes vote as it represents such a great opportunity to start again. And, in a way, a yes vote will also offer the rest of that too. It seems pretty obvious to me that after a Yes, the rUK is going to have to think seriously and deeply about how it is structured. The idea that separation will herald a long period of Tory rule is nonsensical to my eyes as in the rUK, just as in Scotland, there is no Tory majority.
What I'd really like to see is a No vote followed by Devomax, as that will force a rethink across the UK too while keeping it intact. But then I hoped for a Lab/LD rapprochement in 2010 and did not get that, so I am used to being disappointed!
Nah. If YES wins, you will see Tory hegemony in England for 10-15 years, as Labour's Scottish heart is ripped out, and they struggle to recover. Sorry.
I hope we never find out. But if we do, I fear you may be disappointed.
would do. Anybody wanting change has to vote YES, a NO vote is a NO hope vote.
I don't think anyone believes there will be no change after a 'no' vote, especially if the result is close.
Only an imbecile would vote NO thinking there will be changes , for the better at least. A NO vote will guarantee changes but not for the better.
MalcolmG's idiotic logic,
Can you not read a full sentence Monica , just to help the bit after the comma is connected to the first bit. English grammar seems to be a bit of an issue for you or perhaps you are a typical Unionist liar.
Your blatant doublethink is typical of worshipers of Salmond. It's horrific.
So you were just lying then.............LOL
Lying about what?
What I said , you used half a sentence to imply I had said something else, typical unionist in being economical with the truth
LOL A separatist fanatic like yourself would not recognise the truth if it smacked you in the face . You are barely able to respond to a post without calling that poster a liar .
I only call liars , liars and I make that a total of one. Only a turnip head like yourself could get that to be every post. Stick to insults you are better at that then counting.
Dear Dear Monica , look a squirrel. Just admit you were economical with truth and tried to misrepresent me and move on. Attempting to divert to something completely different is pretty pathetic.
Your exact words were " Only an imbecile would vote NO thinking there will be changes , for the better at least. A NO vote will guarantee changes but not for the better.", I think they speak for themselves.
Monica, I give up if you refuse to understand plain English then what can I say.
@Carnyx - I am less convinced by the SNP than you. I think they understand the political landscape in Scotland and project views that they know are mainstream in order to get a hearing. I sense that the reality is that the party is a very broad coalition that has been put together and stays disciplined for one reason only. Once (if) that aim is achieved, it will pretty swiftly fade away. However, I am not in Scotland so admit I could be completely wrong! The term Tartan Tories sticks in my mind though.
Invoking the dead for any political campaign is pretty vile. It's a shame to hear that is happening.
The Tartan Tories is an old slur (decades old) and given that the SNP are well to the left of Labour it does rather raise questions about the Labour Party (who seem to have stopped using it, hardly surprisingly give their current bedfellows in the No campaign).
I know it's a pro-indy site but it's a reasonable account and the alternative is the Herald and the DT!
BTW I have no opinion or more precisely cannot make up my mind about the GW - just been reading Ferguson's piece in BBC History (obviously also acting as a puff piece for his new edition of The Pity of War). It was a serious mistake to enter in a land war for which the UK was so ill-prepared. And yet, even before they captured the Low Countries, the Germans were planning a direct naval challenge with Tirpitz's Risk Fleet and that was before anyone had realised the potential for guerre de course with the U-boats. Imagine what it would have been like with the French ports as well, with or without invasion. An excuse for more history reading!
Seems that the SNP don't much like free speech. Worrying.
Monica, you down to slurring SNP to someone else now , trying to see if they will challenge your tripe. Can you ever post the truth.
@Carnyx - "And there is more to independence - industrial, defence, energy, farming and fisheries policies. And (as you (I think?) and others have said) it will no doubt be an interim arrangement till things develop and the economies begin to diverge."
This is absolutely true.
I also think there is a lot of downside for the rUK elite if Scotland were to become independent. Economically and financially, it may not make much difference, but politically it will be a very big deal - the elite will be emasculated in Europe and beyond as the UK, with all its historical legacy, will cease to exist. This, as well as a genuine affection for and pride in the UK, lies behind a lot of the vehemence. I also think that a Yes will have a profound effect on public opinion in England (as opposed to the rUK), especially among many UKIP and Tory voters. When they post on here and elsewhere "Please just get on with it", "Can we have a vote?" and other things to that effect, it seems to me that they protest too much. That may affect negotiations post-Yes, but in the end I believe that pragmatism on both sides will win the day. Anything else will be self-defeating.
For me, I am torn. I like the idea of the UK and what it could be. And as a centre-leftist (albeit a woolly one) I am suspicious of movements that seek to highlight differences rather than focus on similarities. However, I also think that if I were in Scotland I'd find it very difficult to argue against a Yes vote as it represents such a great opportunity to start again. And, in a way, a yes vote will also offer the rest of that too. It seems pretty obvious to me that after a Yes, the rUK is going to have to think seriously and deeply about how it is structured. The idea that separation will herald a long period of Tory rule is nonsensical to my eyes as in the rUK, just as in Scotland, there is no Tory majority.
What I'd really like to see is a No vote followed by Devomax, as that will force a rethink across the UK too while keeping it intact. But then I hoped for a Lab/LD rapprochement in 2010 and did not get that, so I am used to being disappointed!
Nah. If YES wins, you will see Tory hegemony in England for 10-15 years, as Labour's Scottish heart is ripped out, and they struggle to recover. Sorry.
I hope we never find out. But if we do, I fear you may be disappointed.
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Invoking the dead for any political campaign is pretty vile. It's a shame to hear that is happening.
Difficult to withdraw money from them too
I deposited £400 with them last year and tried to back Suarez top Prem scorer at 11/4
They knocked back the bet and then refused to give me the money back, accused me of money laundering and said I might get fined!!
Was resolved after about a week of phone calls
http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/fraser-nelson/2014/02/laws-knives-gov-and-the-liberal-democrat-mutiny-begins/
On the war dead, FYI -
http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-news/8667-labour-peer-says-criticism-of-tory-lord-war-dead-comments-qshames-me-as-a-scotq
I know it's a pro-indy site but it's a reasonable account and the alternative is the Herald and the DT!
BTW I have no opinion or more precisely cannot make up my mind about the GW - just been reading Ferguson's piece in BBC History (obviously also acting as a puff piece for his new edition of The Pity of War). It was a serious mistake to enter in a land war for which the UK was so ill-prepared. And yet, even before they captured the Low Countries, the Germans were planning a direct naval challenge with Tirpitz's Risk Fleet and that was before anyone had realised the potential for guerre de course with the U-boats. Imagine what it would have been like with the French ports as well, with or without invasion. An excuse for more history reading!