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  • Andy_JS said:

    Interesting theory from Brendan O'Neill.

    "Why capitalism loves transgenderism
    Some British communists have finally said it – the trans ideology is neoliberalism in drag"

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/03/30/why-capitalism-loves-transgenderism/

    They are on the right track but could have said it more simply * namely that Capitalism loves TS rights and everything else because it diverts attention from lower paid people being treated like shit, and the growing inequality in society. If you define the "key" struggle for rights as "rights", you sweep the inconvenient shit under the table about how badly you treat your workers and how the bosses are making out like bandits.

    * being Communists, nothing is simple
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    More meat for that grinder!

    (1/5) Russian media reporting suggests that the authorities are preparing to start a major military recruitment campaign with the aim of signing up an additional 400,000 troops.


    https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1641314780873932800?cxt=HHwWgIC26ZvGj8ctAAAA
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 51,848

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    Re: the Mickey Mouse attack by Ron DeSantis against . . . wait for it . . . Mickey Mouse, and the response of Disney Corp and it's corps of corporate lawyers, one thing puzzling me is this:

    WHY did they refer to "King Charles III, King of England" when (as Carlotta pointed out yesterday) that his NOT KCIII's official title?

    Some obscure legalism (even more obscure than a "royal clause"? Or just good old-fashion American ignorance?

    IF the later, seems like oversight to NOT have a history major on the payroll somewhere, at least one who didn't skip too many classes?

    Heck, even PB's own answer to Cliff Clavin could have set 'em straight!

    It would be funny if it legally quashed (or whatever) even faster than it already would be on the basis they didn't even list the royal title correctly.
    It may not be his official title, but KC3 is King of England, as well as some other places.
    I don’t believe so - I think the crowns of England and Scotland were merged so he is king of the UK

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_the_United_Kingdom
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    Re: the Mickey Mouse attack by Ron DeSantis against . . . wait for it . . . Mickey Mouse, and the response of Disney Corp and it's corps of corporate lawyers, one thing puzzling me is this:

    WHY did they refer to "King Charles III, King of England" when (as Carlotta pointed out yesterday) that his NOT KCIII's official title?

    Some obscure legalism (even more obscure than a "royal clause"? Or just good old-fashion American ignorance?

    IF the later, seems like oversight to NOT have a history major on the payroll somewhere, at least one who didn't skip too many classes?

    Heck, even PB's own answer to Cliff Clavin could have set 'em straight!

    It would be funny if it legally quashed (or whatever) even faster than it already would be on the basis they didn't even list the royal title correctly.
    It may not be his official title, but KC3 is King of England, as well as some other places.
    I don’t believe so - I think the crowns of England and Scotland were merged so he is king of the UK

    True. But then "of" has more than one meaning, including in phrase "King of England".

    My guess is that phrase "King of England" has been employed for some time in Florida law, including naming monarchs who reigned AFTER creation of United Kingdom?

    That is, a legalism.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,679
    Andy_JS said:

    Interesting theory from Brendan O'Neill.

    "Why capitalism loves transgenderism
    Some British communists have finally said it – the trans ideology is neoliberalism in drag"

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2023/03/30/why-capitalism-loves-transgenderism/

    My head is spinning. Is Brendan now allying himself with the feminists after spending the last decade being beastly about them?

    https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/free-speech-is-so-last-century-today-s-students-want-the-right-to-be-comfortable/

    https://www.spiked-online.com/2015/06/11/feminism-and-the-turn-against-enlightenment/
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Scott_xP said:

    @bpolitics
    24s
    BREAKING: Turkey’s parliament voted to approve Finland’s membership in NATO, clearing the way for the country to join the defense alliance as its 31st member trib.al/ma1sZ0l

    Suddenly a much longer NATO border with Russia - great strategy from Mr 'This is all because Russia rightly is angry about NATO expansion'.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,844

    Leon said:

    AlistairM said:

    Here's the Yousaf bounce crater.

    Behind the headline, Scottish Labour now well within touching distance of the snp. Scottish Parliament constituency ballot:

    SNP 39% (-8)
    Lab 31% (+7)
    Con 14% (-1)
    Lib8% (+1)
    Gr 6% (+2)

    regional list:

    SNP 32% (-7)
    Labour 27% (+3)
    Con17% (-)
    Gr 12% (+3)
    Lib8% (+1)

    https://twitter.com/livvyjohn/status/1641448609509150723

    Wait, that's from a Panelbase poll from BEFORE the leadership result, and before much of the worst of the SNP scandals? Isn't it? That's what the original tweet suggests. Or am I wrong?

    So we can expect the next poll to be considerably better/worse for the Nats, depending on whether you think Humza Yousaf is a Churchillian genius comparable with Lincoln/twat
    Read Iain Martin in the Times.. its pretty stark

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d9c8fa2c-ce5a-11ed-9a78-fca06b87e87b?shareToken=72e2f365e362853e6ecabe88eb81773a

    The poll attached to the artcile - self-selecting of those hoping to view a train wreck as it might be - says 90% he is the wrong person to be leader. Hard to imagine that the army of SNP keyboard warriors would let that stand, but so it seems.

    A question for you. Were you a resident of Airdrie and Shotts, would you lend your vote to the heinous Labour Party candidate to see off the SNP?

    Seeing off the SNP would be the only occasion I would ever conceivably vote blue.
    Let me answer that as a sort of Tory in Angus. The answer is hell yes. In a heartbeat.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,844
    JPJ2 said:

    DavidL. I see you are claiming the Tasmina Ahmed Sheikh has been struck off. I doubt that is true, though I would be willing to review your evidence. If she has not been struck off, then yours is a "brave" comment :-)

    I provided the material in support of what I had said in a subsequent post. She was told that if she ever applied again to be on the roll of solicitors she would have a restricted practicing certificate for 2 years. That means she would not be allowed to be a principal in the firm or be responsible for cash room duties as he had been in her previous firm. It is not technically struck off as I made clear.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,303
    kle4 said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @bpolitics
    24s
    BREAKING: Turkey’s parliament voted to approve Finland’s membership in NATO, clearing the way for the country to join the defense alliance as its 31st member trib.al/ma1sZ0l

    Suddenly a much longer NATO border with Russia - great strategy from Mr 'This is all because Russia rightly is angry about NATO expansion'.
    Thoughts and prayers for the Swedish Correspondent
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    NYT - Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump in New York
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,087

    NYT - Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump in New York

    First of many, I hope.
  • YBarddCwscYBarddCwsc Posts: 7,172
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    AlistairM said:

    Here's the Yousaf bounce crater.

    Behind the headline, Scottish Labour now well within touching distance of the snp. Scottish Parliament constituency ballot:

    SNP 39% (-8)
    Lab 31% (+7)
    Con 14% (-1)
    Lib8% (+1)
    Gr 6% (+2)

    regional list:

    SNP 32% (-7)
    Labour 27% (+3)
    Con17% (-)
    Gr 12% (+3)
    Lib8% (+1)

    https://twitter.com/livvyjohn/status/1641448609509150723

    Wait, that's from a Panelbase poll from BEFORE the leadership result, and before much of the worst of the SNP scandals? Isn't it? That's what the original tweet suggests. Or am I wrong?

    So we can expect the next poll to be considerably better/worse for the Nats, depending on whether you think Humza Yousaf is a Churchillian genius comparable with Lincoln/twat
    Read Iain Martin in the Times.. its pretty stark

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d9c8fa2c-ce5a-11ed-9a78-fca06b87e87b?shareToken=72e2f365e362853e6ecabe88eb81773a

    The poll attached to the artcile - self-selecting of those hoping to view a train wreck as it might be - says 90% he is the wrong person to be leader. Hard to imagine that the army of SNP keyboard warriors would let that stand, but so it seems.

    A question for you. Were you a resident of Airdrie and Shotts, would you lend your vote to the heinous Labour Party candidate to see off the SNP?

    Seeing off the SNP would be the only occasion I would ever conceivably vote blue.
    Let me answer that as a sort of Tory in Angus. The answer is hell yes. In a heartbeat.
    I guess we have always known that the Blues need the Reds, and the Reds need the Blues.

    Rivals and Lovers.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    edited March 2023
    Nigelb said:

    NYT - Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump in New York

    Desantis drops his intention to run as President to fall in behind Trump in 3,2,1..?

    Even if he doesn't, if he spends his time parroting Trump lines about outrage to democracy etc, then why would he stand against him? Because Democrats are harrassing him?

    Pity it isn't the Georgia case first - as a casual observer that case seems much easier to prove.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103


    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    AlistairM said:

    Here's the Yousaf bounce crater.

    Behind the headline, Scottish Labour now well within touching distance of the snp. Scottish Parliament constituency ballot:

    SNP 39% (-8)
    Lab 31% (+7)
    Con 14% (-1)
    Lib8% (+1)
    Gr 6% (+2)

    regional list:

    SNP 32% (-7)
    Labour 27% (+3)
    Con17% (-)
    Gr 12% (+3)
    Lib8% (+1)

    https://twitter.com/livvyjohn/status/1641448609509150723

    Wait, that's from a Panelbase poll from BEFORE the leadership result, and before much of the worst of the SNP scandals? Isn't it? That's what the original tweet suggests. Or am I wrong?

    So we can expect the next poll to be considerably better/worse for the Nats, depending on whether you think Humza Yousaf is a Churchillian genius comparable with Lincoln/twat
    Read Iain Martin in the Times.. its pretty stark

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d9c8fa2c-ce5a-11ed-9a78-fca06b87e87b?shareToken=72e2f365e362853e6ecabe88eb81773a

    The poll attached to the artcile - self-selecting of those hoping to view a train wreck as it might be - says 90% he is the wrong person to be leader. Hard to imagine that the army of SNP keyboard warriors would let that stand, but so it seems.

    A question for you. Were you a resident of Airdrie and Shotts, would you lend your vote to the heinous Labour Party candidate to see off the SNP?

    Seeing off the SNP would be the only occasion I would ever conceivably vote blue.
    Let me answer that as a sort of Tory in Angus. The answer is hell yes. In a heartbeat.
    I guess we have always known that the Blues need the Reds, and the Reds need the Blues.

    Rivals and Lovers.
    Some issues do go across ideologies. Just look at various independence parties in the world which may be on left or right but agree on that point.
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559
    Does this mean Trump is going to be arrested?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Andy_JS said:

    Does this mean Trump is going to be arrested?

    He'd like the drama of that presumably. But surely he would just be asked to come in? He's one of the most famous people on the planet, and he isn't about to flee the country as it would ruin his political ambitions.

    I kid, he could be hiding out in a bunker in the Caymans and the GOP base would still vote for him.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,087
    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    NYT - Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump in New York

    Desantis drops his intention to run as President to fall in behind Trump in 3,2,1..?

    Even if he doesn't, if he spends his time parroting Trump lines about outrage to democracy etc, then why would he stand against him? Because Democrats are harrassing him?

    Pity it isn't the Georgia case first - as a casual observer that case seems much easier to prove.
    Why would DeSantis fall in behind a criminal ?

    When the criminal's base is looking shaky.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/30/trump-standing-among-conservatives-dims-00089628
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813

    NYT - Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump in New York

    Other news will now take a seat in the background for the next few days.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    NYT - Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump in New York

    Desantis drops his intention to run as President to fall in behind Trump in 3,2,1..?

    Even if he doesn't, if he spends his time parroting Trump lines about outrage to democracy etc, then why would he stand against him? Because Democrats are harrassing him?

    Pity it isn't the Georgia case first - as a casual observer that case seems much easier to prove.
    Why would DeSantis fall in behind a criminal ?

    When the criminal's base is looking shaky.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/30/trump-standing-among-conservatives-dims-00089628
    Trump's standing goes up among Republicans the more crime he does.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,992
    WillG said:

    Trump's standing goes up among Republicans the more crime he does.

    Evangelical Christians can't get enough of paying off porn stars...
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559

    NYT - Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump in New York

    Other news will now take a seat in the background for the next few days.
    Let's not give Trump what he wants.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    Foxy said:

    kle4 said:

    Re: the Mickey Mouse attack by Ron DeSantis against . . . wait for it . . . Mickey Mouse, and the response of Disney Corp and it's corps of corporate lawyers, one thing puzzling me is this:

    WHY did they refer to "King Charles III, King of England" when (as Carlotta pointed out yesterday) that his NOT KCIII's official title?

    Some obscure legalism (even more obscure than a "royal clause"? Or just good old-fashion American ignorance?

    IF the later, seems like oversight to NOT have a history major on the payroll somewhere, at least one who didn't skip too many classes?

    Heck, even PB's own answer to Cliff Clavin could have set 'em straight!

    It would be funny if it legally quashed (or whatever) even faster than it already would be on the basis they didn't even list the royal title correctly.
    It may not be his official title, but KC3 is King of England, as well as some other places.
    I don’t believe so - I think the crowns of England and Scotland were merged so he is king of the UK

    True. But then "of" has more than one meaning, including in phrase "King of England".

    My guess is that phrase "King of England" has been employed for some time in Florida law, including naming monarchs who reigned AFTER creation of United Kingdom?

    That is, a legalism.
    In that case it would be lower case king of England.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,087
    WillG said:

    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    NYT - Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump in New York

    Desantis drops his intention to run as President to fall in behind Trump in 3,2,1..?

    Even if he doesn't, if he spends his time parroting Trump lines about outrage to democracy etc, then why would he stand against him? Because Democrats are harrassing him?

    Pity it isn't the Georgia case first - as a casual observer that case seems much easier to prove.
    Why would DeSantis fall in behind a criminal ?

    When the criminal's base is looking shaky.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/30/trump-standing-among-conservatives-dims-00089628
    Trump's standing goes up among Republicans the more crime he does.
    A reducing number of them. Not because they necessarily disapprove, but because he's starting to look distinctly vincible.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/30/desantis-pitch-new-york-donors-00089555
    ...DeSantis’ message was simple: He is the only Republican who could defeat President Joe Biden in a general election.
    In meetings with other wealthy businessmen, DeSantis has been even more explicit, portraying himself as an obvious choice for anyone frustrated by the former president Donald Trump’s legal troubles and antics.

    In the case of Lauder, DeSantis’ audience was well-chosen. The businessman has not been shy about his frustration with Trump, whom he backed in past races...
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    NYT - Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump in New York

    Desantis drops his intention to run as President to fall in behind Trump in 3,2,1..?

    Even if he doesn't, if he spends his time parroting Trump lines about outrage to democracy etc, then why would he stand against him? Because Democrats are harrassing him?

    Pity it isn't the Georgia case first - as a casual observer that case seems much easier to prove.
    Why would DeSantis fall in behind a criminal ?

    Why would anyone, but plenty of them have. Some (hopefully just online crazies) have even said even if he is guilty of crimes it is wrong to charge him.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366
    Nigelb said:

    WillG said:

    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    NYT - Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump in New York

    Desantis drops his intention to run as President to fall in behind Trump in 3,2,1..?

    Even if he doesn't, if he spends his time parroting Trump lines about outrage to democracy etc, then why would he stand against him? Because Democrats are harrassing him?

    Pity it isn't the Georgia case first - as a casual observer that case seems much easier to prove.
    Why would DeSantis fall in behind a criminal ?

    When the criminal's base is looking shaky.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/30/trump-standing-among-conservatives-dims-00089628
    Trump's standing goes up among Republicans the more crime he does.
    A reducing number of them. Not because they necessarily disapprove, but because he's starting to look distinctly vincible.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/30/desantis-pitch-new-york-donors-00089555
    ...DeSantis’ message was simple: He is the only Republican who could defeat President Joe Biden in a general election.
    In meetings with other wealthy businessmen, DeSantis has been even more explicit, portraying himself as an obvious choice for anyone frustrated by the former president Donald Trump’s legal troubles and antics.

    In the case of Lauder, DeSantis’ audience was well-chosen. The businessman has not been shy about his frustration with Trump, whom he backed in past races...
    DeSantis can get all the donors and hill staffers he wants. He is going backwards among the voter base. He is 2023's Tim Pawlenty. It is people projecting their preferences onto an empty vessel.
  • numbertwelvenumbertwelve Posts: 6,813
    My view FWIW:

    Trump being charged helps him toward the nomination.

    Conversely it really hinders his chances in the general.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,664

    NYT - Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump in New York

    "Lock him up!"
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 35,992
    ..
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Nigelb said:

    WillG said:

    Nigelb said:

    kle4 said:

    Nigelb said:

    NYT - Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump in New York

    Desantis drops his intention to run as President to fall in behind Trump in 3,2,1..?

    Even if he doesn't, if he spends his time parroting Trump lines about outrage to democracy etc, then why would he stand against him? Because Democrats are harrassing him?

    Pity it isn't the Georgia case first - as a casual observer that case seems much easier to prove.
    Why would DeSantis fall in behind a criminal ?

    When the criminal's base is looking shaky.
    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/30/trump-standing-among-conservatives-dims-00089628
    Trump's standing goes up among Republicans the more crime he does.
    A reducing number of them. Not because they necessarily disapprove, but because he's starting to look distinctly vincible.

    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/03/30/desantis-pitch-new-york-donors-00089555
    ...DeSantis’ message was simple: He is the only Republican who could defeat President Joe Biden in a general election.
    In meetings with other wealthy businessmen, DeSantis has been even more explicit, portraying himself as an obvious choice for anyone frustrated by the former president Donald Trump’s legal troubles and antics.

    In the case of Lauder, DeSantis’ audience was well-chosen. The businessman has not been shy about his frustration with Trump, whom he backed in past races...
    As I dislike Trump so much it is impossible to be objective, but I'd like to think if I was a GOPer that message would stick, that I'd be sick and tired of everything being about his shit, most of it self inflicted carelessness or selfishness, getting in the way of all the things I'd want to get done.

    So many of them believe he was cheated out of the last election it seems to have a powerful pull effect though, of not giving in to the fraud by accepting the man's a walking humanoid typhoon, even if you love his politics.
  • glwglw Posts: 9,906

    NYT - Grand Jury Votes to Indict Donald Trump in New York

    "Lock him up!"
    And don't forget to then throw away the key.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,844
    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    Re: the Mickey Mouse attack by Ron DeSantis against . . . wait for it . . . Mickey Mouse, and the response of Disney Corp and it's corps of corporate lawyers, one thing puzzling me is this:

    WHY did they refer to "King Charles III, King of England" when (as Carlotta pointed out yesterday) that his NOT KCIII's official title?

    Some obscure legalism (even more obscure than a "royal clause"? Or just good old-fashion American ignorance?

    IF the later, seems like oversight to NOT have a history major on the payroll somewhere, at least one who didn't skip too many classes?

    Heck, even PB's own answer to Cliff Clavin could have set 'em straight!

    It would be funny if it legally quashed (or whatever) even faster than it already would be on the basis they didn't even list the royal title correctly.
    Ona more serious note, very interesting speech from KCIII in Germany today.

    DW were going to town about it.

    https://www.dw.com/en/king-charles-lauds-german-uk-relations-in-bundestag-speech/a-65178827
    That picture is not doing his comb over any favours.

    I'm also not a fan of the Bundestag chamber. Bit bland (albeit a cool eagle), lacks colour and some character. The French Senate has a bit more oomph, probably why he wanted to go there first.
    NOTHING matches Westminster Hall. It is the greatest single room in Europe and probably the world (with the possible exception of the Pantheon, and that is now an exquisite museum piece). All that history - 1000 years - and still functioning as a political space. Rufus' Roaring Hall. And that roof!

    Zelensky's speech in London, to the MPs and Lords, was so powerful partly because he gave it there. In Westminster Hall


    It looks very similar to Parliament Hall in Edinburgh which has a fantastic hammer head roof. A simply stunning public space I used to work in every day.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 123,042
    edited March 2023
    Scott_xP said:

    WillG said:

    Trump's standing goes up among Republicans the more crime he does.

    Evangelical Christians can't get enough of paying off porn stars...
    Former VP Pence also expected to announce his candidacy before the summer, if he does I expect he could make big inroads with his fellow evangelicals, especially in Iowa which he is working hard and is the first state to vote for the GOP nominee.

    Remember Carter and Huckabee won shock wins in Iowa in 1976 and 2008 respectively almost entirely down to the evangelical vote

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGlZPxEx0S8
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Donald Trump will not be the GOP nomination for president for 2024.
  • williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 51,662
    Carnyx said:

    A sustained period of 60-40% Yes-No polling is often mentioned as grounds for Indyref II. How long does this polling have to carry on for EUref II to be a goer?


    Ah, that doesn't count for reasons. Apparently.
    The reason being that there isn't a party in power that wants a referendum.
  • DavidLDavidL Posts: 53,844
    DavidL said:

    Leon said:

    kle4 said:

    MattW said:

    kle4 said:

    Re: the Mickey Mouse attack by Ron DeSantis against . . . wait for it . . . Mickey Mouse, and the response of Disney Corp and it's corps of corporate lawyers, one thing puzzling me is this:

    WHY did they refer to "King Charles III, King of England" when (as Carlotta pointed out yesterday) that his NOT KCIII's official title?

    Some obscure legalism (even more obscure than a "royal clause"? Or just good old-fashion American ignorance?

    IF the later, seems like oversight to NOT have a history major on the payroll somewhere, at least one who didn't skip too many classes?

    Heck, even PB's own answer to Cliff Clavin could have set 'em straight!

    It would be funny if it legally quashed (or whatever) even faster than it already would be on the basis they didn't even list the royal title correctly.
    Ona more serious note, very interesting speech from KCIII in Germany today.

    DW were going to town about it.

    https://www.dw.com/en/king-charles-lauds-german-uk-relations-in-bundestag-speech/a-65178827
    That picture is not doing his comb over any favours.

    I'm also not a fan of the Bundestag chamber. Bit bland (albeit a cool eagle), lacks colour and some character. The French Senate has a bit more oomph, probably why he wanted to go there first.
    NOTHING matches Westminster Hall. It is the greatest single room in Europe and probably the world (with the possible exception of the Pantheon, and that is now an exquisite museum piece). All that history - 1000 years - and still functioning as a political space. Rufus' Roaring Hall. And that roof!

    Zelensky's speech in London, to the MPs and Lords, was so powerful partly because he gave it there. In Westminster Hall


    It looks very similar to Parliament Hall in Edinburgh which has a fantastic hammer head roof. A simply stunning public space I used to work in every day.
    This is Parliament Hall
    https://www.scotsmagazine.com/articles/z-secret-edinburgh-parliament-hall/
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559

    Donald Trump will not be the GOP nomination for president for 2024.

    Is that guaranteed by these events? Genuine question.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    WillG said:

    Trump's standing goes up among Republicans the more crime he does.

    Evangelical Christians can't get enough of paying off porn stars...
    Former VP Pence also expected to announce his candidacy before the summer, if he does I expect he could make big inroads with his fellow evangelicals, especially in Iowa which he is working hard and is the first state to vote for the GOP nominee.

    Remember Carter and Huckabee won shock wins in Iowa in 1976 and 2008 respectively almost entirely down to the evangelical vote

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGlZPxEx0S8
    In keeping with his 'sometimes criticise Trump (obliquely), sometimes continue to back him up' approach, maybe Pence has no interest in winning but figures splitting the evangelical vote will at least hinder Trump more than a more viable candidate?
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,286
    #LockHimUp
  • HeathenerHeathener Posts: 7,084
    edited March 2023
    Omnisis lol

    Labour 50%
    Cons 27%
    LD 9%

    Labour lead 23%

    Plus ça change, plus c'est la même
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:



    NOTHING matches Westminster Hall. It is the greatest single room in Europe and probably the world (with the possible exception of the Pantheon, and that is now an exquisite museum piece). All that history - 1000 years - and still functioning as a political space. Rufus' Roaring Hall. And that roof!

    Zelensky's speech in London, to the MPs and Lords, was so powerful partly because he gave it there. In Westminster Hall


    It looks very similar to Parliament Hall in Edinburgh which has a fantastic hammer head roof. A simply stunning public space I used to work in every day.
    I'm fond of it partly as I got married in the little crypt underneath (which really is a perk for MPs):

    https://www.english.op.org/godzdogz/interesting-churches-st-mary-undercroft-palace-of-westminster/

    Love it.

    I'm a sucker for an extravagant ceiling.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,577
    Andy_JS said:

    Does this mean Trump is going to be arrested?

    Yup. With fingerprints. And mugshots.

  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559
    Election news.

    Women's rights activist Kellie-Jay Keen, aka Posie Parker, has said she intends to stand against Keir Starmer at the next election.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJGS4bhuYhw
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,639
    Andy_JS said:

    Donald Trump will not be the GOP nomination for president for 2024.

    Is that guaranteed by these events? Genuine question.
    I simply think his time has been and gone. Nothing to do with this current situation.

    Maybe Nikki Haley for candidate. Or RDS but it might be a bit soon for him.
  • MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 52,577
    Andy_JS said:

    Donald Trump will not be the GOP nomination for president for 2024.

    Is that guaranteed by these events? Genuine question.
    Not a bar to his standing, no.

    But he just lost the vote of independents.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 50,303

    DavidL said:

    Leon said:



    NOTHING matches Westminster Hall. It is the greatest single room in Europe and probably the world (with the possible exception of the Pantheon, and that is now an exquisite museum piece). All that history - 1000 years - and still functioning as a political space. Rufus' Roaring Hall. And that roof!

    Zelensky's speech in London, to the MPs and Lords, was so powerful partly because he gave it there. In Westminster Hall


    It looks very similar to Parliament Hall in Edinburgh which has a fantastic hammer head roof. A simply stunning public space I used to work in every day.
    I'm fond of it partly as I got married in the little crypt underneath (which really is a perk for MPs):

    https://www.english.op.org/godzdogz/interesting-churches-st-mary-undercroft-palace-of-westminster/

    Is that a case of entering Parliament with honest intentions?
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,528
    HYUFD said:

    A sustained period of 60-40% Yes-No polling is often mentioned as grounds for Indyref II. How long does this polling have to carry on for EUref II to be a goer?


    Brexiteers of course had to wait 41 years from the first EEC referendum in 1975 for the second EU referendum in 2016.

    Neither the Tories nor Starmer Labour have any interest in offering EUref2 anyway now under FPTP given the redwall swing seats will be pivotal in deciding the next general election and are more Leave than average.



    Yes, but I don't see why the LibDems don't come out for it. It would give them a USP, most people suspect that's what they think anyway, and they aren't competitve in most of the Red Wall, while the Blue Wall would mostly react with enthusiasm.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 29,408
    Andy_JS said:

    Election news.

    Women's rights activist Kellie-Jay Keen, aka Posie Parker, has said she intends to stand against Keir Starmer at the next election.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJGS4bhuYhw

    What's the issue with appearing under your name?
    Is that cos "women's rights activist" needs parentheses like "Tommy Robinson"?
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Andy_JS said:

    Election news.

    Women's rights activist Kellie-Jay Keen, aka Posie Parker, has said she intends to stand against Keir Starmer at the next election.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJGS4bhuYhw

    Bit early for the comedy/single issue candidates to declare I'd say.

    I assume Count Binface will be in Uxbridge again.
  • fitalassfitalass Posts: 4,300
    edited March 2023
    Robin McAlpine - 48 Hours later and…
    https://robinmcalpine.org/48-hours-later-and/

    "The early hours of the Yousaf era are failing to escape the low expectations people had for them. The picture is grim for independence. The only hope lies in change."
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,041
    Easy PC hold in Anglesey.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    fitalass said:

    Robin Mcalpine - 48 Hours later and…
    https://robinmcalpine.org/48-hours-later-and/

    "The early hours of the Yousaf era are failing to escape the low expectations people had for them. The picture is grim for independence. The only hope lies in change."

    I know we move very fast thesedays, but I think even a total incompetent would deserve a full week's grace period!
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,041
    Lib Dem gain in Gloucester.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Andy_JS said:

    Stocky said:

    Roger said:

    Leon said:

    AlistairM said:

    Here's the Yousaf bounce crater.

    Behind the headline, Scottish Labour now well within touching distance of the snp. Scottish Parliament constituency ballot:

    SNP 39% (-8)
    Lab 31% (+7)
    Con 14% (-1)
    Lib8% (+1)
    Gr 6% (+2)

    regional list:

    SNP 32% (-7)
    Labour 27% (+3)
    Con17% (-)
    Gr 12% (+3)
    Lib8% (+1)

    https://twitter.com/livvyjohn/status/1641448609509150723

    Wait, that's from a Panelbase poll from BEFORE the leadership result, and before much of the worst of the SNP scandals? Isn't it? That's what the original tweet suggests. Or am I wrong?

    So we can expect the next poll to be considerably better/worse for the Nats, depending on whether you think Humza Yousaf is a Churchillian genius comparable with Lincoln/twat
    Read Iain Martin in the Times.. its pretty stark

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/d9c8fa2c-ce5a-11ed-9a78-fca06b87e87b?shareToken=72e2f365e362853e6ecabe88eb81773a

    The Ian Martin who though Boris Johnson 'The Messiah'?

    Another Tory scribe with his finger on the pulse

    https://capx.co/in-defence-of-boris-johnson/
    I must say that I intensely dislike the fashion for mocking a person's name like this. Yousaf becomes Useless, Kama-Kwasi for Kwasi Kwarteng, Cruella for Suella.

    Seems a recent trait.



    Was calling Blair Bliar okay? I didn't like it much at the time.
    David Chameleon was a classic of the genre
  • nico679nico679 Posts: 6,275
    The Tories seem to be throwing as many new alleged voter friendly policies against the wall in the hope that some might stick .

    It might be that most of the public just yawn now and think it just looks desperate and they’ve heard it all before .

    The next attempt seems to be joining a trade pact which will add 0.000001 to GDP ! Another embarrassing attempt to dupe the plebs into thinking Brexit isn’t such a turd after all !
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,041
    slade said:

    Lib Dem gain in Gloucester.

    13% swing from Con to Lib Dem.
  • sladeslade Posts: 2,041
    Lab hold in Barking and Dagenham.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,528
    Heathener said:

    Omnisis lol

    Labour 50%
    Cons 27%
    LD 9%

    Labour lead 23%

    Plus ça change, plus c'est la même

    Lab+6, Con -2, LD -1, Gr -1. Also:

    "Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer came storming back as the voter’s choice to be the Prime Minister with an incredible turnaround from last week, when he fell behind for the first time this year:

    Sir Keir Starmer: 41% (+7)
    Rishi Sunak: 29% (-8)
    Don’t Know: 30% (+1)"

    https://www.omnisis.co.uk/polls/corbyn-seen-as-barrier-for-labour-at-next-election-new-poll-suggests/

    I must say it feels very outlierish, as did the previous one showing Labour's lead slumping to 15.
  • Horse_BHorse_B Posts: 106
    It seems to me, that the Labour lead remains at 20 points ish. KS still preferred PM.

    So odds on for Labour to lead the next government, anyone want to counter?
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486

    Heathener said:

    Omnisis lol

    Labour 50%
    Cons 27%
    LD 9%

    Labour lead 23%

    Plus ça change, plus c'est la même

    Lab+6, Con -2, LD -1, Gr -1. Also:

    "Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer came storming back as the voter’s choice to be the Prime Minister with an incredible turnaround from last week, when he fell behind for the first time this year:

    Sir Keir Starmer: 41% (+7)
    Rishi Sunak: 29% (-8)
    Don’t Know: 30% (+1)"

    https://www.omnisis.co.uk/polls/corbyn-seen-as-barrier-for-labour-at-next-election-new-poll-suggests/

    I must say it feels very outlierish, as did the previous one showing Labour's lead slumping to 15.
    Yes, I remained baffled by the overanalysing of midterm polls on here. Decent poll for Labour but just a common or garden outlier, most probably.

  • sladeslade Posts: 2,041
    slade said:

    Lab hold in Barking and Dagenham.

    But 9% swing Lab to Con.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103
    Far more important USA news

    An eight-person jury clears US star Gwyneth Paltrow in the civil trial over a skiing accident in Utah in 2016


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-65127388
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    QT utterly horrible for the government again
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559
    edited March 2023
    "Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (-1)
    CON: 24% (+2)

    via
    @PeoplePolling"

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1641575905159004161

    This firm seems to give very low figures for both main parties.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 96,103

    Heathener said:

    Omnisis lol

    Labour 50%
    Cons 27%
    LD 9%

    Labour lead 23%

    Plus ça change, plus c'est la même

    Lab+6, Con -2, LD -1, Gr -1. Also:

    "Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer came storming back as the voter’s choice to be the Prime Minister with an incredible turnaround from last week, when he fell behind for the first time this year:

    Sir Keir Starmer: 41% (+7)
    Rishi Sunak: 29% (-8)
    Don’t Know: 30% (+1)"

    https://www.omnisis.co.uk/polls/corbyn-seen-as-barrier-for-labour-at-next-election-new-poll-suggests/

    I must say it feels very outlierish, as did the previous one showing Labour's lead slumping to 15.
    Yes, I remained baffled by the overanalysing of midterm polls on here.

    It passes the time.

    I find that to enjoy politics I have to allow myself to get swept up in the moment, otherwise it would just be tedious cyclicism.
  • Horse_BHorse_B Posts: 106
    Andy_JS said:

    "Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (-1)
    CON: 24% (+2)

    via
    @PeoplePolling"

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1641575905159004161

    This firm seems to give very low figures for both main parties.

    Would still be Labour's third best result ever (?)
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559
    Horse_B said:

    Andy_JS said:

    "Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (-1)
    CON: 24% (+2)

    via
    @PeoplePolling"

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1641575905159004161

    This firm seems to give very low figures for both main parties.

    Would still be Labour's third best result ever (?)
    Probably. This is Matthew Goodwin's outfit AFAIK.
  • AnabobazinaAnabobazina Posts: 23,486
    Andy_JS said:

    "Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (-1)
    CON: 24% (+2)

    via
    @PeoplePolling"

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1641575905159004161

    This firm seems to give very low figures for both main parties.

    It’s your fave (why?) Godwin-Goodwin: ergo, best ignored.
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 18,369

    My view FWIW:

    Trump being charged helps him toward the nomination.

    Conversely it really hinders his chances in the general.

    One of the things that Trump did so well in the race for the 2016 nomination is that he made the contest all about him. The worst thing for Trump would be to be ignored.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    WillG said:

    Trump's standing goes up among Republicans the more crime he does.

    Evangelical Christians can't get enough of paying off porn stars...
    Former VP Pence also expected to announce his candidacy before the summer, if he does I expect he could make big inroads with his fellow evangelicals, especially in Iowa which he is working hard and is the first state to vote for the GOP nominee.

    Remember Carter and Huckabee won shock wins in Iowa in 1976 and 2008 respectively almost entirely down to the evangelical vote

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGlZPxEx0S8
    In keeping with his 'sometimes criticise Trump (obliquely), sometimes continue to back him up' approach, maybe Pence has no interest in winning but figures splitting the evangelical vote will at least hinder Trump more than a more viable candidate?
    Mike Pence is a busted flush, politically speaking.

    And notion that victory of Jimmy Carter in 1976 Iowa Democratic precinct caucuses was "almost entire down to the evangelical vote" is ludicrous.

    Carter's overt religiosity was key to his political appeal that year, in the wake of Watergate. But his 1976 victory in Iowa and then nationally, predated the subsequent rise of the "Christian Coalition".

    Also perhaps worth noting that, technically, Carter did not actually "win" the caucuses in the Hawkeye State, seeing has he actually won fewer Democratic precinct delegates than "uncommitted".

  • WillGWillG Posts: 2,366

    My view FWIW:

    Trump being charged helps him toward the nomination.

    Conversely it really hinders his chances in the general.

    Is that criminally indicted, twice impeached, one term president, Trump?
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,559

    Andy_JS said:

    "Britain Elects
    @BritainElects
    Westminster voting intention:

    LAB: 42% (-1)
    CON: 24% (+2)

    via
    @PeoplePolling"

    https://twitter.com/BritainElects/status/1641575905159004161

    This firm seems to give very low figures for both main parties.

    It’s your fave (why?) Godwin-Goodwin: ergo, best ignored.
    My favourite gives the lowest Tory percentage? Doesn't fit your narrative does it.
  • edmundintokyoedmundintokyo Posts: 17,708

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    WillG said:

    Trump's standing goes up among Republicans the more crime he does.

    Evangelical Christians can't get enough of paying off porn stars...
    Former VP Pence also expected to announce his candidacy before the summer, if he does I expect he could make big inroads with his fellow evangelicals, especially in Iowa which he is working hard and is the first state to vote for the GOP nominee.

    Remember Carter and Huckabee won shock wins in Iowa in 1976 and 2008 respectively almost entirely down to the evangelical vote

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGlZPxEx0S8
    In keeping with his 'sometimes criticise Trump (obliquely), sometimes continue to back him up' approach, maybe Pence has no interest in winning but figures splitting the evangelical vote will at least hinder Trump more than a more viable candidate?
    Mike Pence is a busted flush, politically speaking.

    And notion that victory of Jimmy Carter in 1976 Iowa Democratic precinct caucuses was "almost entire down to the evangelical vote" is ludicrous.

    Carter's overt religiosity was key to his political appeal that year, in the wake of Watergate. But his 1976 victory in Iowa and then nationally, predated the subsequent rise of the "Christian Coalition".

    Also perhaps worth noting that, technically, Carter did not actually "win" the caucuses in the Hawkeye State, seeing has he actually won fewer Democratic precinct delegates than "uncommitted".

    I think Pence's role in this is more about what he does after he secures he 8th place in Iowa or whatever. Currently he's doing this slightly ridiculous attempt to compete with Trump without making a big deal about the thing where he whipped up a mob to try to get him lynched. Once he establishes that he's not going to be the nominee he's free to speak out against him freely and potentially king-make whoever the actual opposition to Trump is.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,377


    Rob Hart
    @robwhart
    The absolute BEST part of Trump's indictment is that if he refuses to leave Florida, DeSantis either has to refuse an extradition order and risk legal action, or comply and enrage Trump's lunatic base—either could nuke his chances in 2024. Et voila.
  • CatManCatMan Posts: 3,058
    eek said:



    Rob Hart
    @robwhart
    The absolute BEST part of Trump's indictment is that if he refuses to leave Florida, DeSantis either has to refuse an extradition order and risk legal action, or comply and enrage Trump's lunatic base—either could nuke his chances in 2024. Et voila.

    For what it's worth his attorney has said he will surrender, but as it's Trump who knows what he'll actually do.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,559
    edited March 2023
    eek said:



    Rob Hart
    @robwhart
    The absolute BEST part of Trump's indictment is that if he refuses to leave Florida, DeSantis either has to refuse an extradition order and risk legal action, or comply and enrage Trump's lunatic base—either could nuke his chances in 2024. Et voila.

    Orlando Sentinel - DeSantis won’t ‘assist’ in Trump extradition, but he can’t stop it

    https://www.orlandosentinel.com/politics/os-ne-desantis-trump-indictment-20230331-ksh64scoyvgohdkqjaj7dqt4e4-story.html


  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 71,087

    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Scott_xP said:

    WillG said:

    Trump's standing goes up among Republicans the more crime he does.

    Evangelical Christians can't get enough of paying off porn stars...
    Former VP Pence also expected to announce his candidacy before the summer, if he does I expect he could make big inroads with his fellow evangelicals, especially in Iowa which he is working hard and is the first state to vote for the GOP nominee.

    Remember Carter and Huckabee won shock wins in Iowa in 1976 and 2008 respectively almost entirely down to the evangelical vote

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGlZPxEx0S8
    In keeping with his 'sometimes criticise Trump (obliquely), sometimes continue to back him up' approach, maybe Pence has no interest in winning but figures splitting the evangelical vote will at least hinder Trump more than a more viable candidate?
    Mike Pence is a busted flush, politically speaking.

    And notion that victory of Jimmy Carter in 1976 Iowa Democratic precinct caucuses was "almost entire down to the evangelical vote" is ludicrous.

    Carter's overt religiosity was key to his political appeal that year, in the wake of Watergate. But his 1976 victory in Iowa and then nationally, predated the subsequent rise of the "Christian Coalition".

    Also perhaps worth noting that, technically, Carter did not actually "win" the caucuses in the Hawkeye State, seeing has he actually won fewer Democratic precinct delegates than "uncommitted".

    Also Cater was quite a cool figure, back in the day.
    Pence ...
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