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Thistle do nicely for Starmer – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 11,017
edited March 2023 in General
Thistle do nicely for Starmer – politicalbetting.com

Meanwhile, the price of a Labour overall majority on Betfair has drifted out to 1.77 (last matched), just as Labour look set to have a source of anything up to 25 seats that they wouldn't have expected two months ago. https://t.co/D1WNCxQbqi

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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,362
    edited March 2023
    The quality of the puns is about 5/10 on the @ydoethur scale

    Far too early to know what will happen in Scotland. The SNP have just started a game of 52 card pickup.

    Edit: the pointers to what happen next will be a possible rerun of the leadership election and/or one of the other scandals popping open

    If either of those happen, then the SNP will take permanent damage, I think.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,541
    kle4 said:

    Everyone keep an eye out later for the next thread, which will contain a subtle pun in its title. We were promised that.

    I think you’ll find thistle be it.
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    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,362

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    Look around the world. How often does a political party rally round the sensible candidate vs the establishment empty suit vs the demented clown?

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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,612
    Having posted his take on Humza......

    Kate Forbes at the Pulpit

    https://twitter.com/shiny02/status/1637401025563983872?s=20

    ASH REGAN is Scotland's only hope...

    https://twitter.com/shiny02/status/1637401527403806720?s=20

    Contains naughty words.....
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187
    "Yousaf winning SindyRef2 on Sunak's watch" - talk about your long shots!
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 32,887
    @business

    BREAKING: Switzerland is considering a full or partial nationalization of Credit Suisse as the only other viable option outside a UBS takeover
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,185
    Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

    Thistle do nicely?

    Flower in Scotland?

    Those puns are completely beyond saltire, they really are.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,185

    The quality of the puns is about 5/10 on the @ydoethur scale

    Far too early to know what will happen in Scotland. The SNP have just started a game of 52 card pickup.

    Edit: the pointers to what happen next will be a possible rerun of the leadership election and/or one of the other scandals popping open

    If either of those happen, then the SNP will take permanent damage, I think.

    It looks more to me like they're playing a whole pack of jokers.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,185

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    At least there was no pun jabbed in the postscript.

    He is right about the irony though...
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    StuartinromfordStuartinromford Posts: 14,418

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    Does such a paragon exist? I don't know Scotland well enough to know if a better candidate is holding back.

    In which case, the SNP insurgents have botched this as much as the establishment. It's all very well getting rid of a leader you dislike, but you do have to have an alternative who is reasonably ready-to-go who the party will accept. It's not obvious that Kate Forbes is that alternative.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,185

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    Does such a paragon exist? I don't know Scotland well enough to know if a better candidate is holding back.

    In which case, the SNP insurgents have botched this as much as the establishment. It's all very well getting rid of a leader you dislike, but you do have to have an alternative who is reasonably ready-to-go who the party will accept. It's not obvious that Kate Forbes is that alternative.
    Angus Robertson at least has a functioning brain.
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,612
    edited March 2023

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    It's not obvious that Kate Forbes is that alternative.
    She's either their Liz Truss or their Kemi Badenoch......
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187

    The quality of the puns is about 5/10 on the @ydoethur scale

    Far too early to know what will happen in Scotland. The SNP have just started a game of 52 card pickup.

    Edit: the pointers to what happen next will be a possible rerun of the leadership election and/or one of the other scandals popping open

    If either of those happen, then the SNP will take permanent damage, I think.

    We're getting on a nice roll with SNP doomtalk but I'm sniffing an overreaction. Eg I'll be very surprised if there's a rerun of the leadership election.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    It's not obvious that Kate Forbes is that alternative.
    She's either their Liz Truss or their Kemi Badenoch......
    You mean she either wins and gets ditched in the summer or the SNP get hammered under Yousaf and she takes over in opposition?
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    Just found Bonnie Raitt on The Old Grey Whistle Test (what a randomly cool name for a live music show!)

    It's nowhere near as good a recording as the live in Philly 1972 recording I posted before, but it does has video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NgEqtCNtzU
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,185
    kinabalu said:

    The quality of the puns is about 5/10 on the @ydoethur scale

    Far too early to know what will happen in Scotland. The SNP have just started a game of 52 card pickup.

    Edit: the pointers to what happen next will be a possible rerun of the leadership election and/or one of the other scandals popping open

    If either of those happen, then the SNP will take permanent damage, I think.

    We're getting on a nice roll with SNP doomtalk but I'm sniffing an overreaction. Eg I'll be very surprised if there's a rerun of the leadership election.
    If the SNP get 30% in Scotland it's ludicrous to think they would get no seats at all. True, I can just about imagine the vote might be inefficient so they're in single figures, but there are some seats that are fairly safely theirs even under nuclear scenarios. Na h-Eileanan an Iar for example seldom does crazy swings against incumbents - in fact, only in 2005, which is easily explained by Calum Macdonald's unabashed support for the Iraq War.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,105
    ydoethur said:

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    At least there was no pun jabbed in the postscript.

    He is right about the irony though...
    More Sindh against than sinning?
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,185

    ydoethur said:

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    At least there was no pun jabbed in the postscript.

    He is right about the irony though...
    More Sindh against than sinning?
    That's not a Goa.
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    RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,157
    I think Meeks' twitter posts highlights the double-edged sword that is FPTP, particularly when you are party which is reasonably strong everywhere. It means that the SNP can basically win a landslide on around 45% of the vote but (on account of having no real safe seats) be effectively wiped out on 30%. By contrast, the SLAB vote is much more concentrated in the central belt which means they are well placed to pick up a lot of seats even if the SNP maintain an overall lead in Scotland.
    Labour don't need to *win back* Scotland from the SNP. They just need to lose by 5 points or less to win back a large number of seats. And to get that they might only need (if the polls are accurate) a 2% swing.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,592
    ydoethur said:

    Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

    Thistle do nicely?

    Flower in Scotland?

    Those puns are completely beyond saltire, they really are.

    Wel that one kilt it.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187
    ydoethur said:

    Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

    Thistle do nicely?

    Flower in Scotland?

    Those puns are completely beyond saltire, they really are.

    Yes, I wish they all could be caledonian pearls - but they aren't.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,105
    edited March 2023
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    At least there was no pun jabbed in the postscript.

    He is right about the irony though...
    More Sindh against than sinning?
    That's not a Goa.
    Uttar Pradesh nonsense....
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,185
    Foxy said:

    ydoethur said:

    Oh dear oh dear oh dear.

    Thistle do nicely?

    Flower in Scotland?

    Those puns are completely beyond saltire, they really are.

    Wel that one kilt it.
    That doesn't aplaid in this case.
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,341
    Lineker off the tele again. Lolz
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,185

    Lineker off the tele again. Lolz

    Pre-emptive strike before he claims justification because of what that nutter Braverman has been saying?
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187
    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    The quality of the puns is about 5/10 on the @ydoethur scale

    Far too early to know what will happen in Scotland. The SNP have just started a game of 52 card pickup.

    Edit: the pointers to what happen next will be a possible rerun of the leadership election and/or one of the other scandals popping open

    If either of those happen, then the SNP will take permanent damage, I think.

    We're getting on a nice roll with SNP doomtalk but I'm sniffing an overreaction. Eg I'll be very surprised if there's a rerun of the leadership election.
    If the SNP get 30% in Scotland it's ludicrous to think they would get no seats at all. True, I can just about imagine the vote might be inefficient so they're in single figures, but there are some seats that are fairly safely theirs even under nuclear scenarios. Na h-Eileanan an Iar for example seldom does crazy swings against incumbents - in fact, only in 2005, which is easily explained by Calum Macdonald's unabashed support for the Iraq War.
    I agree with AM that a Lab majority is value @ the current 1.75 but I'm not factoring SNP collapse into the assessment. Gains in England - esp the RedWall - plus maybe 15 or so elsewhere should see them comfortably home.
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    dixiedean said:

    Just found Bonnie Raitt on The Old Grey Whistle Test (what a randomly cool name for a live music show!)

    It's nowhere near as good a recording as the live in Philly 1972 recording I posted before, but it does has video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NgEqtCNtzU

    From wiki.

    "According to presenter Bob Harris, the programme derived its name from a Tin Pan Alley phrase from years before. When they got the first pressing of a record they would play it to people they called the old greys – doormen in grey suits. Any song the doormen could remember and whistle, having heard it just once or twice, had passed the old grey whistle test."
    Is Tin Pan Alley now Denmark Street?
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187
    dixiedean said:

    Just found Bonnie Raitt on The Old Grey Whistle Test (what a randomly cool name for a live music show!)

    It's nowhere near as good a recording as the live in Philly 1972 recording I posted before, but it does has video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NgEqtCNtzU

    From wiki.

    "According to presenter Bob Harris, the programme derived its name from a Tin Pan Alley phrase from years before. When they got the first pressing of a record they would play it to people they called the old greys – doormen in grey suits. Any song the doormen could remember and whistle, having heard it just once or twice, had passed the old grey whistle test."
    Ha, excellent. And of course the programme's theme tune would pass that 'test'.
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    dixiedean said:

    Just found Bonnie Raitt on The Old Grey Whistle Test (what a randomly cool name for a live music show!)

    It's nowhere near as good a recording as the live in Philly 1972 recording I posted before, but it does has video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NgEqtCNtzU

    From wiki.

    "According to presenter Bob Harris, the programme derived its name from a Tin Pan Alley phrase from years before. When they got the first pressing of a record they would play it to people they called the old greys – doormen in grey suits. Any song the doormen could remember and whistle, having heard it just once or twice, had passed the old grey whistle test."
    Is Tin Pan Alley now Denmark Street?
    No

    Denmark St is "now" Tin Pot Alley
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    CarlottaVanceCarlottaVance Posts: 59,612
    VIDEO:

    With all recent Putin's appearances in public, here's a reminder from Girkin on how to distinguish real Putin from his double.

    https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1637421039436038146?s=20

    If this is correct, it is unlikely he was in Crimea yesterday....
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,953

    dixiedean said:

    Just found Bonnie Raitt on The Old Grey Whistle Test (what a randomly cool name for a live music show!)

    It's nowhere near as good a recording as the live in Philly 1972 recording I posted before, but it does has video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NgEqtCNtzU

    From wiki.

    "According to presenter Bob Harris, the programme derived its name from a Tin Pan Alley phrase from years before. When they got the first pressing of a record they would play it to people they called the old greys – doormen in grey suits. Any song the doormen could remember and whistle, having heard it just once or twice, had passed the old grey whistle test."
    Is Tin Pan Alley now Denmark Street?
    Think it was in New York.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187

    Lineker off the tele again. Lolz

    Lost his voice shouting at the telly when Braverman's on. I can relate entirely.
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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,341
    ydoethur said:

    Lineker off the tele again. Lolz

    Pre-emptive strike before he claims justification because of what that nutter Braverman has been saying?
    He says a cold..
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    RandallFlaggRandallFlagg Posts: 1,157
    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    The quality of the puns is about 5/10 on the @ydoethur scale

    Far too early to know what will happen in Scotland. The SNP have just started a game of 52 card pickup.

    Edit: the pointers to what happen next will be a possible rerun of the leadership election and/or one of the other scandals popping open

    If either of those happen, then the SNP will take permanent damage, I think.

    We're getting on a nice roll with SNP doomtalk but I'm sniffing an overreaction. Eg I'll be very surprised if there's a rerun of the leadership election.
    If the SNP get 30% in Scotland it's ludicrous to think they would get no seats at all. True, I can just about imagine the vote might be inefficient so they're in single figures, but there are some seats that are fairly safely theirs even under nuclear scenarios. Na h-Eileanan an Iar for example seldom does crazy swings against incumbents - in fact, only in 2005, which is easily explained by Calum Macdonald's unabashed support for the Iraq War.
    I'm not sure I agree. There aren't any SNP seats like Knowsley or East Ham, where they win 75-80% of the vote. The two safest SNP seats (of the top of my head) are Dundee East and Falkirk, where they get just over 50% of the vote. If the SNP did fall to 30% in Scotland both of those seats could be potentially vulnerable.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,105
    kinabalu said:

    The quality of the puns is about 5/10 on the @ydoethur scale

    Far too early to know what will happen in Scotland. The SNP have just started a game of 52 card pickup.

    Edit: the pointers to what happen next will be a possible rerun of the leadership election and/or one of the other scandals popping open

    If either of those happen, then the SNP will take permanent damage, I think.

    We're getting on a nice roll with SNP doomtalk but I'm sniffing an overreaction. Eg I'll be very surprised if there's a rerun of the leadership election.
    It's notable that the SNP mouthpieces have gone silent.

    Which for them, well - who knew it was even possible?
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    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Just found Bonnie Raitt on The Old Grey Whistle Test (what a randomly cool name for a live music show!)

    It's nowhere near as good a recording as the live in Philly 1972 recording I posted before, but it does has video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NgEqtCNtzU

    From wiki.

    "According to presenter Bob Harris, the programme derived its name from a Tin Pan Alley phrase from years before. When they got the first pressing of a record they would play it to people they called the old greys – doormen in grey suits. Any song the doormen could remember and whistle, having heard it just once or twice, had passed the old grey whistle test."
    Is Tin Pan Alley now Denmark Street?
    Think it was in New York.
    Denmark Street got the same name as the NYC one because of the number of music shops it had, and it still has a couple
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,677
    While we wait to see who wins the SNP - I noticed this, which pertains to a quite different electorate. Curious that the Tories don't think there is anything dodgy about focussing solely on in person voting.

    Fao @NorthHertsDC
    Returning Officer, are you aware that Hitchin & Harpenden @Conservatives
    , @BimAfolami
    MP’s Constituency are sending voters Postal Vote registration forms with a return envelope to the Conservatives?

    https://twitter.com/CourierBoyUK/status/1637377899874361345
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    EabhalEabhal Posts: 5,893

    kinabalu said:

    The quality of the puns is about 5/10 on the @ydoethur scale

    Far too early to know what will happen in Scotland. The SNP have just started a game of 52 card pickup.

    Edit: the pointers to what happen next will be a possible rerun of the leadership election and/or one of the other scandals popping open

    If either of those happen, then the SNP will take permanent damage, I think.

    We're getting on a nice roll with SNP doomtalk but I'm sniffing an overreaction. Eg I'll be very surprised if there's a rerun of the leadership election.
    It's notable that the SNP mouthpieces have gone silent.

    Which for them, well - who knew it was even possible?
    Stuart not of his own volition.
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    dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 27,953
    edited March 2023
    The New

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Just found Bonnie Raitt on The Old Grey Whistle Test (what a randomly cool name for a live music show!)

    It's nowhere near as good a recording as the live in Philly 1972 recording I posted before, but it does has video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NgEqtCNtzU

    From wiki.

    "According to presenter Bob Harris, the programme derived its name from a Tin Pan Alley phrase from years before. When they got the first pressing of a record they would play it to people they called the old greys – doormen in grey suits. Any song the doormen could remember and whistle, having heard it just once or twice, had passed the old grey whistle test."
    Is Tin Pan Alley now Denmark Street?
    Think it was in New York.
    Denmark Street got the same name as the NYC one because of the number of music shops it
    had, and it still has a couple
    The New York one lasted till the early sixties. Carole King and Neil Sedaka, amongst others, worked as weekly waged employees, writing songs for the "stars". As defined by the music companies.
    It was only the emergence of Dylan and then the Beatles which gave them the idea they could actually make a living by independently performing their own songs.

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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187
    MaxPB said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @business

    BREAKING: Switzerland is considering a full or partial nationalization of Credit Suisse as the only other viable option outside a UBS takeover

    I suspect UBS did a weekend of due diligence and decided not to become the next Lloyds.
    A weekend to knock out a robust, risk-adjusted valuation of Credit Suisse - no thank you!
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    ydoethur said:

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    Does such a paragon exist? I don't know Scotland well enough to know if a better candidate is holding back.

    In which case, the SNP insurgents have botched this as much as the establishment. It's all very well getting rid of a leader you dislike, but you do have to have an alternative who is reasonably ready-to-go who the party will accept. It's not obvious that Kate Forbes is that alternative.
    Angus Robertson at least has a functioning brain.
    He does but he's heavily compromised in the current situation.

    He might be sitting it out, imagining that whoever follows Sturgeon is the Liz Truss of this particular situation, and he can put himself up once they've gone down in flames.

    That does rely upon any investigations/revelations over the coming months not implicating him in any potential wrongdoing.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,105
    Past week RU losses claimed by Ukraine:-

    5,820 enemy
    66 tanks
    84 armored vehicles
    81 artillery systems
    14 anti-aircraft guns
    9 air defense systems
    60 cars
    20 special equipment
    1 plane
    1 helicopter
    and 51 drones.

    Which may not look too bad if compared to the allies losing 9,000 on D-Day.

    Except - D-Day breached the Nazi's Foretress Europe with a bridgehead.

    Russia's gain this week? Nothing of note....
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,541
    MaxPB said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @business

    BREAKING: Switzerland is considering a full or partial nationalization of Credit Suisse as the only other viable option outside a UBS takeover

    I suspect UBS did a weekend of due diligence and decided not to become the next Lloyds.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-65004605
    …UBS is said to have asked the Swiss government to cover about $6bn (£4.9bn) in costs if it were to buy Credit Suisse, according to sources quoted by Reuters…
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,185

    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    The quality of the puns is about 5/10 on the @ydoethur scale

    Far too early to know what will happen in Scotland. The SNP have just started a game of 52 card pickup.

    Edit: the pointers to what happen next will be a possible rerun of the leadership election and/or one of the other scandals popping open

    If either of those happen, then the SNP will take permanent damage, I think.

    We're getting on a nice roll with SNP doomtalk but I'm sniffing an overreaction. Eg I'll be very surprised if there's a rerun of the leadership election.
    If the SNP get 30% in Scotland it's ludicrous to think they would get no seats at all. True, I can just about imagine the vote might be inefficient so they're in single figures, but there are some seats that are fairly safely theirs even under nuclear scenarios. Na h-Eileanan an Iar for example seldom does crazy swings against incumbents - in fact, only in 2005, which is easily explained by Calum Macdonald's unabashed support for the Iraq War.
    I'm not sure I agree. There aren't any SNP seats like Knowsley or East Ham, where they win 75-80% of the vote. The two safest SNP seats (of the top of my head) are Dundee East and Falkirk, where they get just over 50% of the vote. If the SNP did fall to 30% in Scotland both of those seats could be potentially vulnerable.
    But again, be wary of reading swing across seats, especially seats with small electorates. Falkirk for example might fall to Labour while Dundee East and Arbroath which has a much longer history and SNP presence might not.

    It's also quite hard to see them losing Inverness-shire and Wester Ross even though they've only held it for eight years, or indeed Nairn, Strathspey and Moray West.
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    dixiedean said:

    The New

    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Just found Bonnie Raitt on The Old Grey Whistle Test (what a randomly cool name for a live music show!)

    It's nowhere near as good a recording as the live in Philly 1972 recording I posted before, but it does has video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NgEqtCNtzU

    From wiki.

    "According to presenter Bob Harris, the programme derived its name from a Tin Pan Alley phrase from years before. When they got the first pressing of a record they would play it to people they called the old greys – doormen in grey suits. Any song the doormen could remember and whistle, having heard it just once or twice, had passed the old grey whistle test."
    Is Tin Pan Alley now Denmark Street?
    Think it was in New York.
    Denmark Street got the same name as the NYC one because of the number of music shops it
    had, and it still has a couple
    The New York one lasted till the early sixties. Carole King and Neil Sedaka, amongst others, worked as weekly waged employees, writing songs for the "stars". As defined by the music companies.
    It was only the emergence of Dylan and then the Beatles which gave them the idea they could actually make a living by independently performing their own songs.

    The Rolling Stones recorded at Tin Pot Alley (UK) in the late sixties

    https://guitar.com/features/gallery/the-history-of-denmark-street-londons-music-epicentre/
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,185

    ydoethur said:

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    Does such a paragon exist? I don't know Scotland well enough to know if a better candidate is holding back.

    In which case, the SNP insurgents have botched this as much as the establishment. It's all very well getting rid of a leader you dislike, but you do have to have an alternative who is reasonably ready-to-go who the party will accept. It's not obvious that Kate Forbes is that alternative.
    Angus Robertson at least has a functioning brain.
    He does but he's heavily compromised in the current situation.

    He might be sitting it out, imagining that whoever follows Sturgeon is the Liz Truss of this particular situation, and he can put himself up once they've gone down in flames.

    That does rely upon any investigations/revelations over the coming months not implicating him in any potential wrongdoing.
    Can't see how he's more compromised than Yousaf, who is everything Malc said and more on current evidence.
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,105
    kinabalu said:

    dixiedean said:

    Just found Bonnie Raitt on The Old Grey Whistle Test (what a randomly cool name for a live music show!)

    It's nowhere near as good a recording as the live in Philly 1972 recording I posted before, but it does has video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NgEqtCNtzU

    From wiki.

    "According to presenter Bob Harris, the programme derived its name from a Tin Pan Alley phrase from years before. When they got the first pressing of a record they would play it to people they called the old greys – doormen in grey suits. Any song the doormen could remember and whistle, having heard it just once or twice, had passed the old grey whistle test."
    Ha, excellent. And of course the programme's theme tune would pass that 'test'.
    "Stone Fox Chase" by Area Code 615.
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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,423
    kle4 said:

    Everyone keep an eye out later for the next thread, which will contain a subtle pun in its title. We were promised that.

    I saw this shop in Edinburgh last October:


    Although while I've seen the pun once before, I was clearly pleased enough by it back then to photograph it and send it to my mother in law. So a good pun nevertheless.

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    CookieCookie Posts: 11,423
    kinabalu said:

    MaxPB said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @business

    BREAKING: Switzerland is considering a full or partial nationalization of Credit Suisse as the only other viable option outside a UBS takeover

    I suspect UBS did a weekend of due diligence and decided not to become the next Lloyds.
    A weekend to knock out a robust, risk-adjusted valuation of Credit Suisse - no thank you!
    You need more than a weekend to determine that CS is sufficiently free of risk. But quite conceivably it could take you less than a weekend to come to the opposite conclusion.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,541
    Florida bill would ban young girls from discussing periods in school
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/17/florida-bill-girls-periods-school-gop/
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    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    Does such a paragon exist? I don't know Scotland well enough to know if a better candidate is holding back.

    In which case, the SNP insurgents have botched this as much as the establishment. It's all very well getting rid of a leader you dislike, but you do have to have an alternative who is reasonably ready-to-go who the party will accept. It's not obvious that Kate Forbes is that alternative.
    Angus Robertson at least has a functioning brain.
    He does but he's heavily compromised in the current situation.

    He might be sitting it out, imagining that whoever follows Sturgeon is the Liz Truss of this particular situation, and he can put himself up once they've gone down in flames.

    That does rely upon any investigations/revelations over the coming months not implicating him in any potential wrongdoing.
    Can't see how he's more compromised than Yousaf, who is everything Malc said and more on current evidence.
    If certain matters are examined in more depth, the SNP will be viewing 30% in the polls as a golden era. The current evidence is the tip of the iceberg.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,185

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    Does such a paragon exist? I don't know Scotland well enough to know if a better candidate is holding back.

    In which case, the SNP insurgents have botched this as much as the establishment. It's all very well getting rid of a leader you dislike, but you do have to have an alternative who is reasonably ready-to-go who the party will accept. It's not obvious that Kate Forbes is that alternative.
    Angus Robertson at least has a functioning brain.
    He does but he's heavily compromised in the current situation.

    He might be sitting it out, imagining that whoever follows Sturgeon is the Liz Truss of this particular situation, and he can put himself up once they've gone down in flames.

    That does rely upon any investigations/revelations over the coming months not implicating him in any potential wrongdoing.
    Can't see how he's more compromised than Yousaf, who is everything Malc said and more on current evidence.
    If certain matters are examined in more depth, the SNP will be viewing 30% in the polls as a golden era. The current evidence is the tip of the iceberg.
    Wow. OK.

    It's impressive to think there's worse to come than fraud, embezzlement, falsification of registers and abuse of process.

    Bad news for Sindy supporters.

    Great news for anyone who wants the Tories out.
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    londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,185
    Looks like SNP sub 10 seats at the next GE is a real possibility!
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,523

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    It's not obvious that Kate Forbes is that alternative.
    She's either their Liz Truss or their Kemi Badenoch......
    Forbes is their Kemi; absolutely not a Truss. Star quality. Look at the substance. Three key points

    Like Kemi, Forbes has that rare quality that when she speaks you actually want to know what she has to say.

    Forbes is straight and honest about her (IMHO wrongheaded) desire for independence : That to get there you need to demonstrate competence, integrity and a willingness to win the democratic argument over a long time. No quick fixes.

    Solid integrity and willingness not to just be evasive about deep personal opinions and beliefs.

    Conclusion: I am a politically centrist unionist with regard to E and W and Scotland. Forbes is the only candidate who is a threat to my personal position about that. But also the candidate who would be good for our politics and the moral mess it has got into, both in England and Scotland.
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    GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 19,079
    Nigelb said:

    Florida bill would ban young girls from discussing periods in school
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/17/florida-bill-girls-periods-school-gop/

    These people are so weird
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,185
    That's an image I could have done without...
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187

    VIDEO:

    With all recent Putin's appearances in public, here's a reminder from Girkin on how to distinguish real Putin from his double.

    https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1637421039436038146?s=20

    If this is correct, it is unlikely he was in Crimea yesterday....

    Saw a photo of him in ruined Mariupol and he appeared to be smirking. I do hope that was a fake.
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,043
    ydoethur said:

    kinabalu said:

    The quality of the puns is about 5/10 on the @ydoethur scale

    Far too early to know what will happen in Scotland. The SNP have just started a game of 52 card pickup.

    Edit: the pointers to what happen next will be a possible rerun of the leadership election and/or one of the other scandals popping open

    If either of those happen, then the SNP will take permanent damage, I think.

    We're getting on a nice roll with SNP doomtalk but I'm sniffing an overreaction. Eg I'll be very surprised if there's a rerun of the leadership election.
    If the SNP get 30% in Scotland it's ludicrous to think they would get no seats at all. True, I can just about imagine the vote might be inefficient so they're in single figures, but there are some seats that are fairly safely theirs even under nuclear scenarios. Na h-Eileanan an Iar for example seldom does crazy swings against incumbents - in fact, only in 2005, which is easily explained by Calum Macdonald's unabashed support for the Iraq War.
    The former Daily Record political correspondent Torcuil Crichton is set to be the SLab candidate for Na h-Eileanan an Iar which various SLabbers excitedly interpreted as a sign that Labour are back in Scotland (not quite the pant wetting induced by the return of Dougie Alexander, but still).
    The incumbent, Angus MacNeill, has endorsed Forbes not too surprisingly, I’d guess a Forbes leadership would go down pretty well in the islands.

    I note with some amusement that according to Wiki Ash Regan has had three endorsements, Joanna Cherry, Alex Salmond and Craig Murray. Oor Joanna sure can pick a winner.

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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,232
    Hat tip to Wings over Scotland but this quotation from 1984 where Winston Smith is revising the output of boots is just too perfect for the SNP's membership numbers:

    "In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than 145 millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot. And so it was with every class of recorded fact, great or small. Everything faded away into a shadow-world in which, finally, even the date of the year had become uncertain."
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    algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 10,523
    Nigelb said:

    Florida bill would ban young girls from discussing periods in school
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/17/florida-bill-girls-periods-school-gop/

    This sort of claim, so extraordinary though being USA not impossible, which requires textual exactness from the statute to show that it is true. We are not given it. We are given politicians takes on things. Not quite the same. Amazingly few politicians are any good at understanding their own texts.

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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,185
    DavidL said:

    Hat tip to Wings over Scotland but this quotation from 1984 where Winston Smith is revising the output of boots is just too perfect for the SNP's membership numbers:

    "In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than 145 millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot. And so it was with every class of recorded fact, great or small. Everything faded away into a shadow-world in which, finally, even the date of the year had become uncertain."

    Well, there was one boot around yesterday at least. And Peter Murrell got it...
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    TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 40,043
    edited March 2023

    kinabalu said:

    The quality of the puns is about 5/10 on the @ydoethur scale

    Far too early to know what will happen in Scotland. The SNP have just started a game of 52 card pickup.

    Edit: the pointers to what happen next will be a possible rerun of the leadership election and/or one of the other scandals popping open

    If either of those happen, then the SNP will take permanent damage, I think.

    We're getting on a nice roll with SNP doomtalk but I'm sniffing an overreaction. Eg I'll be very surprised if there's a rerun of the leadership election.
    It's notable that the SNP mouthpieces have gone silent.

    Which for them, well - who knew it was even possible?
    They took my IPad away when the suicide watch started you’ll be glad to know but I smuggled in a phone.
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    noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 20,735
    Nigelb said:

    Florida bill would ban young girls from discussing periods in school
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/03/17/florida-bill-girls-periods-school-gop/

    Time to bring these policies to a full stop.
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    AramintaMoonbeamQCAramintaMoonbeamQC Posts: 3,589
    edited March 2023
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    Does such a paragon exist? I don't know Scotland well enough to know if a better candidate is holding back.

    In which case, the SNP insurgents have botched this as much as the establishment. It's all very well getting rid of a leader you dislike, but you do have to have an alternative who is reasonably ready-to-go who the party will accept. It's not obvious that Kate Forbes is that alternative.
    Angus Robertson at least has a functioning brain.
    He does but he's heavily compromised in the current situation.

    He might be sitting it out, imagining that whoever follows Sturgeon is the Liz Truss of this particular situation, and he can put himself up once they've gone down in flames.

    That does rely upon any investigations/revelations over the coming months not implicating him in any potential wrongdoing.
    Can't see how he's more compromised than Yousaf, who is everything Malc said and more on current evidence.
    If certain matters are examined in more depth, the SNP will be viewing 30% in the polls as a golden era. The current evidence is the tip of the iceberg.
    Wow. OK.

    It's impressive to think there's worse to come than fraud, embezzlement, falsification of registers and abuse of process.

    Bad news for Sindy supporters.

    Great news for anyone who wants the Tories out.
    If anyone but Yousaf wins, they have a chance of clearing out the worst offenders.

    If Yousaf wins, then he will continue on the current path but with a lot of people willing to tell all to anyone who will listen. Plus a probable legal challenge to the ballot anyway.
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    FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,046
    ydoethur said:

    That's an image I could have done without...
    I'm not sure what you are getting at sir. All this talk of body doubles?
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,677
    edited March 2023

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    Does such a paragon exist? I don't know Scotland well enough to know if a better candidate is holding back.

    In which case, the SNP insurgents have botched this as much as the establishment. It's all very well getting rid of a leader you dislike, but you do have to have an alternative who is reasonably ready-to-go who the party will accept. It's not obvious that Kate Forbes is that alternative.
    Angus Robertson at least has a functioning brain.
    He does but he's heavily compromised in the current situation.

    He might be sitting it out, imagining that whoever follows Sturgeon is the Liz Truss of this particular situation, and he can put himself up once they've gone down in flames.

    That does rely upon any investigations/revelations over the coming months not implicating him in any potential wrongdoing.
    Can't see how he's more compromised than Yousaf, who is everything Malc said and more on current evidence.
    If certain matters are examined in more depth, the SNP will be viewing 30% in the polls as a golden era. The current evidence is the tip of the iceberg.
    Wow. OK.

    It's impressive to think there's worse to come than fraud, embezzlement, falsification of registers and abuse of process.

    Bad news for Sindy supporters.

    Great news for anyone who wants the Tories out.
    If anyone but Yousaf wins, they have a chance of clearing out the worst offenders.

    If Yousaf wins, then he will continue on the current path but with a lot of people willing to tell all to anyone who will listen. Plus a probable legal challenge to the ballot anyway.
    Mulling over the possibility that Yousaf and Regan withdraw. Not likely, though.

    Edit: but it woiuld resolve the election problem.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,362
    ydoethur said:

    The quality of the puns is about 5/10 on the @ydoethur scale

    Far too early to know what will happen in Scotland. The SNP have just started a game of 52 card pickup.

    Edit: the pointers to what happen next will be a possible rerun of the leadership election and/or one of the other scandals popping open

    If either of those happen, then the SNP will take permanent damage, I think.

    It looks more to me like they're playing a whole pack of jokers.
    https://youtu.be/-77sVQ7Zgv0
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    williamglennwilliamglenn Posts: 48,055
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    Does such a paragon exist? I don't know Scotland well enough to know if a better candidate is holding back.

    In which case, the SNP insurgents have botched this as much as the establishment. It's all very well getting rid of a leader you dislike, but you do have to have an alternative who is reasonably ready-to-go who the party will accept. It's not obvious that Kate Forbes is that alternative.
    Angus Robertson at least has a functioning brain.
    He does but he's heavily compromised in the current situation.

    He might be sitting it out, imagining that whoever follows Sturgeon is the Liz Truss of this particular situation, and he can put himself up once they've gone down in flames.

    That does rely upon any investigations/revelations over the coming months not implicating him in any potential wrongdoing.
    Can't see how he's more compromised than Yousaf, who is everything Malc said and more on current evidence.
    If certain matters are examined in more depth, the SNP will be viewing 30% in the polls as a golden era. The current evidence is the tip of the iceberg.
    Wow. OK.

    It's impressive to think there's worse to come than fraud, embezzlement, falsification of registers and abuse of process.

    Bad news for Sindy supporters.

    Great news for anyone who wants the Tories out.
    It's ironic that gaining seats in Scotland could be bad news for the Tories if it's part of an SNP wipeout.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,232

    Looks like SNP sub 10 seats at the next GE is a real possibility!

    This just might reduce the enthusiasm for treating that election as a second quasi-referendum.
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    MangoMango Posts: 1,013

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    At least there was no pun jabbed in the postscript.

    He is right about the irony though...
    More Sindh against than sinning?
    That's not a Goa.
    Uttar Pradesh nonsense....
    You're pushing your Lucknow.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,362
    kinabalu said:

    MaxPB said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @business

    BREAKING: Switzerland is considering a full or partial nationalization of Credit Suisse as the only other viable option outside a UBS takeover

    I suspect UBS did a weekend of due diligence and decided not to become the next Lloyds.
    A weekend to knock out a robust, risk-adjusted valuation of Credit Suisse - no thank you!
    I’ll take it - if you pay me £8bn
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    ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 2,923
    Rather OT, but Waitrose was mentioned earlier...

    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-65006218

    "John Lewis considers plan to change staff-owned structure

    John Lewis is considering a potential change to its employee-owned business structure, upending more than 70 years of tradition.

    The group, which also owns Waitrose, is currently fully owned by its staff, who receive a share in the profits.

    But in the face of tougher trading, the firm is said to be exploring the idea of selling a minority stake.

    The Sunday Times, which first reported the move, said the firm hoped to raise up to £2bn.

    It said the firm's chairwoman Dame Sharon White was considering a potential plan to dilute the famous partnership structure in order to invest in better technology, data analysis and Waitrose's supply chain."
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,185
    Mango said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    At least there was no pun jabbed in the postscript.

    He is right about the irony though...
    More Sindh against than sinning?
    That's not a Goa.
    Uttar Pradesh nonsense....
    You're pushing your Lucknow.
    Please don't Agra-vate matters.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187
    Cookie said:

    kinabalu said:

    MaxPB said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @business

    BREAKING: Switzerland is considering a full or partial nationalization of Credit Suisse as the only other viable option outside a UBS takeover

    I suspect UBS did a weekend of due diligence and decided not to become the next Lloyds.
    A weekend to knock out a robust, risk-adjusted valuation of Credit Suisse - no thank you!
    You need more than a weekend to determine that CS is sufficiently free of risk. But quite conceivably it could take you less than a weekend to come to the opposite conclusion.
    Yes, it has a bit of a delboy culture, CS. To be prudent and given the time pressure your 'contingent liability' number would probably be so big it'd sink just about any private sector deal. But let's see - maybe they'll cobble something together with sufficient government sweeteners and guarantees.
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    MattWMattW Posts: 18,500

    Past week RU losses claimed by Ukraine:-

    5,820 enemy
    66 tanks
    84 armored vehicles
    81 artillery systems
    14 anti-aircraft guns
    9 air defense systems
    60 cars
    20 special equipment
    1 plane
    1 helicopter
    and 51 drones.

    Which may not look too bad if compared to the allies losing 9,000 on D-Day.

    Except - D-Day breached the Nazi's Foretress Europe with a bridgehead.

    Russia's gain this week? Nothing of note....

    Afternoon all.

    I make that a higher run rate of personnel deaths (if accurate) than for UK losses on the Somme, which are recorded as 108k in 141 days.

    All kinds of caveat etc.
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,137
    ydoethur said:

    Mango said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    At least there was no pun jabbed in the postscript.

    He is right about the irony though...
    More Sindh against than sinning?
    That's not a Goa.
    Uttar Pradesh nonsense....
    You're pushing your Lucknow.
    Please don't Agra-vate matters.
    Ahmedabad mood and these puns are doing nothing to cheer me up.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,185
    MattW said:

    Past week RU losses claimed by Ukraine:-

    5,820 enemy
    66 tanks
    84 armored vehicles
    81 artillery systems
    14 anti-aircraft guns
    9 air defense systems
    60 cars
    20 special equipment
    1 plane
    1 helicopter
    and 51 drones.

    Which may not look too bad if compared to the allies losing 9,000 on D-Day.

    Except - D-Day breached the Nazi's Foretress Europe with a bridgehead.

    Russia's gain this week? Nothing of note....

    Afternoon all.

    I make that a higher run rate of personnel deaths (if accurate) than for UK losses on the Somme, which are recorded as 108k in 141 days.

    All kinds of caveat etc.
    At least on the Somme they did advance 11 miles.

    It was not really an adequate reward for the tens of thousands of deaths, but so far in Bakhmut they've taken one small, insignificant village.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,185
    DougSeal said:

    ydoethur said:

    Mango said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    At least there was no pun jabbed in the postscript.

    He is right about the irony though...
    More Sindh against than sinning?
    That's not a Goa.
    Uttar Pradesh nonsense....
    You're pushing your Lucknow.
    Please don't Agra-vate matters.
    Ahmedabad mood and these puns are doing nothing to cheer me up.
    Are you as mad ras an axe?
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    DougSealDougSeal Posts: 11,137
    ydoethur said:

    DougSeal said:

    ydoethur said:

    Mango said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    At least there was no pun jabbed in the postscript.

    He is right about the irony though...
    More Sindh against than sinning?
    That's not a Goa.
    Uttar Pradesh nonsense....
    You're pushing your Lucknow.
    Please don't Agra-vate matters.
    Ahmedabad mood and these puns are doing nothing to cheer me up.
    Are you as mad ras an axe?
    Chennai get back to you later on that?
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,232

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    Does such a paragon exist? I don't know Scotland well enough to know if a better candidate is holding back.

    In which case, the SNP insurgents have botched this as much as the establishment. It's all very well getting rid of a leader you dislike, but you do have to have an alternative who is reasonably ready-to-go who the party will accept. It's not obvious that Kate Forbes is that alternative.
    Angus Robertson at least has a functioning brain.
    He does but he's heavily compromised in the current situation.

    He might be sitting it out, imagining that whoever follows Sturgeon is the Liz Truss of this particular situation, and he can put himself up once they've gone down in flames.

    That does rely upon any investigations/revelations over the coming months not implicating him in any potential wrongdoing.
    Can't see how he's more compromised than Yousaf, who is everything Malc said and more on current evidence.
    If certain matters are examined in more depth, the SNP will be viewing 30% in the polls as a golden era. The current evidence is the tip of the iceberg.
    Wow. OK.

    It's impressive to think there's worse to come than fraud, embezzlement, falsification of registers and abuse of process.

    Bad news for Sindy supporters.

    Great news for anyone who wants the Tories out.
    It's ironic that gaining seats in Scotland could be bad news for the Tories if it's part of an SNP wipeout.
    I am not sure that the Conservative and Unionist party necessarily sees it that way. A recovered SLAB secures the Union pretty much indefinitely.
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    SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 20,599

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    Does such a paragon exist? I don't know Scotland well enough to know if a better candidate is holding back.

    In which case, the SNP insurgents have botched this as much as the establishment. It's all very well getting rid of a leader you dislike, but you do have to have an alternative who is reasonably ready-to-go who the party will accept. It's not obvious that Kate Forbes is that alternative.
    Angus Robertson at least has a functioning brain.
    He does but he's heavily compromised in the current situation.

    He might be sitting it out, imagining that whoever follows Sturgeon is the Liz Truss of this particular situation, and he can put himself up once they've gone down in flames.

    That does rely upon any investigations/revelations over the coming months not implicating him in any potential wrongdoing.
    Can't see how he's more compromised than Yousaf, who is everything Malc said and more on current evidence.
    If certain matters are examined in more depth, the SNP will be viewing 30% in the polls as a golden era. The current evidence is the tip of the iceberg.
    Wow. OK.

    It's impressive to think there's worse to come than fraud, embezzlement, falsification of registers and abuse of process.

    Bad news for Sindy supporters.

    Great news for anyone who wants the Tories out.
    It's ironic that gaining seats in Scotland could be bad news for the Tories if it's part of an SNP wipeout.
    Well it wouldn't be. Labour gaining from the SNP doesn't increase the total of "not the Tories" seats. The last thing I want in Scotland is the Tories gaining seats, even if Labour made five times as many Scottish gains.

    I'd be happy to see the SNP win every seat in Scotland as this would mean Tory losses.
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187

    kinabalu said:

    MaxPB said:

    Scott_xP said:

    @business

    BREAKING: Switzerland is considering a full or partial nationalization of Credit Suisse as the only other viable option outside a UBS takeover

    I suspect UBS did a weekend of due diligence and decided not to become the next Lloyds.
    A weekend to knock out a robust, risk-adjusted valuation of Credit Suisse - no thank you!
    I’ll take it - if you pay me £8bn
    Is the sort of thing I hear was being floated. Chance for UBS to screw everybody. Chance for UBS to screw itself.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,185
    DougSeal said:

    ydoethur said:

    DougSeal said:

    ydoethur said:

    Mango said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I sometimes wonder if I should keep reading PB and then I see a pun like that in the header and the wondrous beauty of that postscript. I just can't kick the habit.

    I don't understand how the SNP establishment couldn't rally behind a better candidate than this one. I'm far from certain the one they landed with would survive to a GE even if he wins the leadership

    At least there was no pun jabbed in the postscript.

    He is right about the irony though...
    More Sindh against than sinning?
    That's not a Goa.
    Uttar Pradesh nonsense....
    You're pushing your Lucknow.
    Please don't Agra-vate matters.
    Ahmedabad mood and these puns are doing nothing to cheer me up.
    Are you as mad ras an axe?
    Chennai get back to you later on that?
    Certainly, but don't Delhi too long.
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    darkagedarkage Posts: 4,796
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ofsted-reading-south-east-labour-b2302643.html

    Just been reading about a head teacher who killed herself in anticipation of a bad Ofsted report. This is because the school gets rated 'inadequate' if there are concerns about 'safeguarding'. Whilst safeguarding should obviously be taken seriously I feel very sorry for the people stuck in this system who get ruined when they get one of these bad reports. Not sure it is really that helpful having these rankings. It would surely be better if people just read the reports to get an idea about the school and its strengths and weaknesses, without the rather infantile system of marking that doesn't seem to exist in any other country.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,185
    darkage said:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ofsted-reading-south-east-labour-b2302643.html

    Just been reading about a head teacher who killed herself in anticipation of a bad Ofsted report. This is because the school gets rated 'inadequate' if there are concerns about 'safeguarding'. Whilst safeguarding should obviously be taken seriously I feel very sorry for the people stuck in this system who get ruined when they get one of these bad reports. Not sure it is really that helpful having these rankings. It would surely be better if people just read the reports to get an idea about the school and its strengths and weaknesses, without the rather infantile system of marking that doesn't seem to exist in any other country.

    There is a grim irony in this, as OFSTED do not in fact have any meaningful safeguarding processes of their own. So according to their own logic they are an inadequate organisation...
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,677
    ydoethur said:

    darkage said:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ofsted-reading-south-east-labour-b2302643.html

    Just been reading about a head teacher who killed herself in anticipation of a bad Ofsted report. This is because the school gets rated 'inadequate' if there are concerns about 'safeguarding'. Whilst safeguarding should obviously be taken seriously I feel very sorry for the people stuck in this system who get ruined when they get one of these bad reports. Not sure it is really that helpful having these rankings. It would surely be better if people just read the reports to get an idea about the school and its strengths and weaknesses, without the rather infantile system of marking that doesn't seem to exist in any other country.

    There is a grim irony in this, as OFSTED do not in fact have any meaningful safeguarding processes of their own. So according to their own logic they are an inadequate organisation...
    But do they have to look after children?

    Presumably their staff spend rather a lot of time in places where there are a lot of children, though. But is that enough to trigger the need to safeguard, more so than (say) a delivery driver?
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    kinabalukinabalu Posts: 39,187
    DavidL said:

    Hat tip to Wings over Scotland but this quotation from 1984 where Winston Smith is revising the output of boots is just too perfect for the SNP's membership numbers:

    "In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than 145 millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot. And so it was with every class of recorded fact, great or small. Everything faded away into a shadow-world in which, finally, even the date of the year had become uncertain."

    That's quite good - but I hope they resisted the "warning not an instruction manual" prefix.
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    FoxyFoxy Posts: 44,592
    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    darkage said:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ofsted-reading-south-east-labour-b2302643.html

    Just been reading about a head teacher who killed herself in anticipation of a bad Ofsted report. This is because the school gets rated 'inadequate' if there are concerns about 'safeguarding'. Whilst safeguarding should obviously be taken seriously I feel very sorry for the people stuck in this system who get ruined when they get one of these bad reports. Not sure it is really that helpful having these rankings. It would surely be better if people just read the reports to get an idea about the school and its strengths and weaknesses, without the rather infantile system of marking that doesn't seem to exist in any other country.

    There is a grim irony in this, as OFSTED do not in fact have any meaningful safeguarding processes of their own. So according to their own logic they are an inadequate organisation...
    But do they have to look after children?

    Presumably their staff spend rather a lot of time in places where there are a lot of children, though. But is that enough to trigger the need to safeguard, more so than (say) a delivery driver?
    Safeguarding isn't just about children, but also other vulnerable people.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,185
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    Carnyx said:

    ydoethur said:

    darkage said:

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ofsted-reading-south-east-labour-b2302643.html

    Just been reading about a head teacher who killed herself in anticipation of a bad Ofsted report. This is because the school gets rated 'inadequate' if there are concerns about 'safeguarding'. Whilst safeguarding should obviously be taken seriously I feel very sorry for the people stuck in this system who get ruined when they get one of these bad reports. Not sure it is really that helpful having these rankings. It would surely be better if people just read the reports to get an idea about the school and its strengths and weaknesses, without the rather infantile system of marking that doesn't seem to exist in any other country.

    There is a grim irony in this, as OFSTED do not in fact have any meaningful safeguarding processes of their own. So according to their own logic they are an inadequate organisation...
    But do they have to look after children?

    Presumably their staff spend rather a lot of time in places where there are a lot of children, though. But is that enough to trigger the need to safeguard, more so than (say) a delivery driver?
    Yes. Because they are frequently left, unsupervised, with children by the demands of their role. And they wander around schools and other, even more sensitive places like YOI and children's homes unescorted.

    However, there are some shortcomings - to put it mildly - in this process.

    1) Ofsted inspectors do not have to carry standard ID.
    2) Ofsted inspectors do not have to identify themselves verbally or show identification if challenged. So there is no way of telling who they are
    3) Ofsted inspectors are not trained in safeguarding or GDPR by Ofsted. So there is no way of knowing whether they understand their obligations under KCSIE or GDPR.
    4) Ofsted inspectors have no whistleblowing procedure for reporting any lapses. The only thing that can be done is to escalate to the Head, who may then include it in their feedback form on the inspection process.
    5) Ofsted inspectors, although they are not in fact mostly working full time for Ofsted, are not obliged to register for the update service. So their DBS checks are usually out of date.

    Which may explain how a former headteacher in Staffordshire - I won't say whom - was still working for Ofsted after being fired from a previous role for a safeguarding breach, proceeded to commit a further breach and is yet somehow still working for Ofsted.
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    DavidLDavidL Posts: 51,232
    kinabalu said:

    DavidL said:

    Hat tip to Wings over Scotland but this quotation from 1984 where Winston Smith is revising the output of boots is just too perfect for the SNP's membership numbers:

    "In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than 145 millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared. All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot. And so it was with every class of recorded fact, great or small. Everything faded away into a shadow-world in which, finally, even the date of the year had become uncertain."

    That's quite good - but I hope they resisted the "warning not an instruction manual" prefix.
    It's so hard not to. Ask those morons in Florida what they think about a Handmaid's Tale as they build Gilead, one idiocy at a time.
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    SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 15,559
    dixiedean said:

    dixiedean said:

    Just found Bonnie Raitt on The Old Grey Whistle Test (what a randomly cool name for a live music show!)

    It's nowhere near as good a recording as the live in Philly 1972 recording I posted before, but it does has video

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NgEqtCNtzU

    From wiki.

    "According to presenter Bob Harris, the programme derived its name from a Tin Pan Alley phrase from years before. When they got the first pressing of a record they would play it to people they called the old greys – doormen in grey suits. Any song the doormen could remember and whistle, having heard it just once or twice, had passed the old grey whistle test."
    Is Tin Pan Alley now Denmark Street?
    Think it was in New York.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin_Pan_Alley

    "It originally referred to a specific place: West 28th Street between Fifth and Sixth Avenues" in Manhattan"

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:I'm_a_Yiddish_Cowboy_-_Edward_Meeker_(1908).ogg
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,362
    MattW said:

    Past week RU losses claimed by Ukraine:-

    5,820 enemy
    66 tanks
    84 armored vehicles
    81 artillery systems
    14 anti-aircraft guns
    9 air defense systems
    60 cars
    20 special equipment
    1 plane
    1 helicopter
    and 51 drones.

    Which may not look too bad if compared to the allies losing 9,000 on D-Day.

    Except - D-Day breached the Nazi's Foretress Europe with a bridgehead.

    Russia's gain this week? Nothing of note....

    Afternoon all.

    I make that a higher run rate of personnel deaths (if accurate) than for UK losses on the Somme, which are recorded as 108k in 141 days.

    All kinds of caveat etc.
    By the Somme, the British Army was beginning to show the levels of skill required for break through warfare.

    Russian tank usage doesn’t seem to be up to British, French or German tactics circa 1918. Unless they are *trying* for a Music Box scenario….
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    MarqueeMarkMarqueeMark Posts: 50,105
    DavidL said:

    Looks like SNP sub 10 seats at the next GE is a real possibility!

    This just might reduce the enthusiasm for treating that election as a second quasi-referendum.
    By the SNP. Not by the other parties!
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