Tunred 73 today and idly wondering when I'm going to start being more conservative.
More practically, how do people handle the retirement thing? I've still got three jobs (charity department head, council executive, translation), none of which are essential to my modest living style. It's nice to be able to give money away, but I'm not sure that's the only meaning of life. But what would I do all day if I stopped? There's a limit to how much time you can spend posting on PB, socialising and playing games.
The obvious answer is to cut back gradually, but a lot of jobs aren't geared for that. Either I'm a department head or I'm not, either I'm charing council committees or I'm not. My general plan is to keep going for another 5 years and then msaybe call it a day. How have other people found the transition?
I'd recommend volunteering for Citizens Advice as a way to keep your mind active, and meet and help some interesting people. The commitment is usually just one day a week so not too onerous.
Truss says she assumed her mandate would be accepted and respected. There's the conceptual problem, right there. She didn't have a mandate. Her appointment was constitutionally legitimate, but the circumstances were odd and required her to be careful and build trust. She didn't.
Yes, Truss's arrogance was breath taking. She thought she could rip up the economic rulebook and the world would go along with it simply because she was so marvellous. I don't think any British PM, not even Boris, has had such a frightening level of self regard. The nation dodged a massive bullet by flinging her out.
Matthew Parris, political writer, broadcaster and former Conservative MP, said: “Liz Truss is a planet-sized mass of overconfidence and ambition teetering upon a pinhead of a political brain. It must all come crashing down.”
I often disagree with Parris (BDS) but on this he was spot on. How the fiddle she got as far as the members heaven only knows (“the stupid party” - ed.)
I must say that I have been surprised that this has had such an impact. I was astonished and dismayed that the clear hand of the Scottish government in the Salmond prosecution did her so little damage, as did her plainly dishonest performances before the Committee at Holyrood, as did her policies of continuously locking us down more than England, causing even more economic damage. I had almost concluded that she was bullet proof but apparently not.
She was bulletproof. No weapons fired by anyone else caused a scratch.
Here she strapped on a suicide vest and pressed the detonator...
1. Police say there is a small "CCTV blind spot" in the very small, very rural village where the woman fell in to the river last week
2. 100 other policemen fail to find the posh couple on the run with a baby, who have had the audacity to turn off their mobiles and pay cash for everything. Still no indication of what they have done wrong, never mind 100 coppers worth of wrong, unless there is some obscure anti miscegenation statute none of us knew about.
It’s time to admit that feminist criticisms of self-ID & the #GRRBill were right, eat some humble pie & sort this mess out before it does any more damage to the reputation of our party, parliament & the cause of Scotland’s independence
Well, I saved money by buying a ham - £4.50 in Asda - and cooking it overnight in a slow cooker. It has made the most magnificent ham sandwiches for lunch and I have plenty left over so I am putting some in the fridge and giving the rest to a friend of mine.
Far better than spending £3.00 on grey supermarket sliced hammy pap.
The quality of meat that we eat in this country is largely shocking, especially stuff like ham. Water-addled crap sold disgustingly moist. Whereas in almost every other European country they eat the good shit and pay the cheap prices that only buys us water-addled crap.
Truss says she assumed her mandate would be accepted and respected. There's the conceptual problem, right there. She didn't have a mandate. Her appointment was constitutionally legitimate, but the circumstances were odd and required her to be careful and build trust. She didn't.
Yes, Truss's arrogance was breath taking. She thought she could rip up the economic rulebook and the world would go along with it simply because she was so marvellous. I don't think any British PM, not even Boris, has had such a frightening level of self regard. The nation dodged a massive bullet by flinging her out.
Matthew Parris, political writer, broadcaster and former Conservative MP, said: “Liz Truss is a planet-sized mass of overconfidence and ambition teetering upon a pinhead of a political brain. It must all come crashing down.”
I often disagree with Parris (BDS) but on this he was spot on. How the fiddle she got as far as the members heaven only knows (“the stupid party” - ed.)
Faute de mieux got her through to the membership vote. Then she told the membership what they wanted to hear; that taxes could be cut without any negative side effects.
I wonder if this is the rugby season that England finally lose to Italy. England are at home to Italy next week, and would normally expect to romp to victory
But this England team looks even worse, and more incoherent, than last year. Nervous and weak. Italy are getting better
I am trying to find odds (and failing) - can anyone help?
Bring back Eddie!
Borthwick is so obviously another Stuart Lancaster. He will steer England through a period of dull, quite disappointing averageness. A terrible choice of coach
This summed it up for me:
“Steve Borthwick using wisdom of Gareth Southgate to help shape his England team”
Great. The wisdom of a perennial fucking Loser, with an L for Loser on his Losery forehead which is so large it can be seen from Losertown, Louisiana
Your animosity towards Gareth Southgate is a little peculiar. His record is sound. I take it it's an image thing and you're more an El Tel man, that quarter-final win on penalties in Euro 96 being the pinnacle of English sporting achievement.
I wonder if this is the rugby season that England finally lose to Italy. England are at home to Italy next week, and would normally expect to romp to victory
But this England team looks even worse, and more incoherent, than last year. Nervous and weak. Italy are getting better
I am trying to find odds (and failing) - can anyone help?
Bring back Eddie!
Borthwick is so obviously another Stuart Lancaster. He will steer England through a period of dull, quite disappointing averageness. A terrible choice of coach
This summed it up for me:
“Steve Borthwick using wisdom of Gareth Southgate to help shape his England team”
Great. The wisdom of a perennial fucking Loser, with an L for Loser on his Losery forehead which is so large it can be seen from Losertown, Louisiana
Your animosity towards Gareth Southgate is a little peculiar. His record is sound. I take it it's an image thing and you're more an El Tel man, that quarter-final win on penalties in Euro 96 being the pinnacle of English sporting achievement.
Southgate is squandering the greatest footballing talent England have, arguably, ever possessed
I viscerally despise this knee taking fuckwit. I predicted we would limp out of the World Cup Quarter Finals YET AGAIN (as did many). And so it proved
It’s time to admit that feminist criticisms of self-ID & the #GRRBill were right, eat some humble pie & sort this mess out before it does any more damage to the reputation of our party, parliament & the cause of Scotland’s independence
I am somewhat bemused by her propositions that a "Citizen Assembly" is going to help and her insistence that this problem should be "sorted out in Scotland without further interference with the UK government." To me, what is needed is safeguards in the UK EA which can only be done by Westminster. If they attempt to do these in the Scottish bill they will run into the problem of competence again because equality is a reserved matter.
The Scottish government should propose a new schedule to the EA which will apply to Scottish issued certificates under the GRR Bill which deals with sex offenders, prisons, refuges and sports. Once those safeguards are in place the current bill can proceed.
Well, I saved money by buying a ham - £4.50 in Asda - and cooking it overnight in a slow cooker. It has made the most magnificent ham sandwiches for lunch and I have plenty left over so I am putting some in the fridge and giving the rest to a friend of mine.
Far better than spending £3.00 on grey supermarket sliced hammy pap.
The quality of meat that we eat in this country is largely shocking, especially stuff like ham. Water-addled crap sold disgustingly moist. Whereas in almost every other European country they eat the good shit and pay the cheap prices that only buys us water-addled crap.
This is nonsense on ketamine
Do you ever travel? Go into any EU country and they are mainly eating the same ham as us. Prosciutto is generally as mass produced and bowdlerised (or not) as any ham in the UK
The exception is Spain where they are utterly obsessed with ham and it is generally better than anywhere on earth
I wonder if this is the rugby season that England finally lose to Italy. England are at home to Italy next week, and would normally expect to romp to victory
But this England team looks even worse, and more incoherent, than last year. Nervous and weak. Italy are getting better
I am trying to find odds (and failing) - can anyone help?
Bring back Eddie!
Borthwick is so obviously another Stuart Lancaster. He will steer England through a period of dull, quite disappointing averageness. A terrible choice of coach
This summed it up for me:
“Steve Borthwick using wisdom of Gareth Southgate to help shape his England team”
Great. The wisdom of a perennial fucking Loser, with an L for Loser on his Losery forehead which is so large it can be seen from Losertown, Louisiana
Your animosity towards Gareth Southgate is a little peculiar. His record is sound. I take it it's an image thing and you're more an El Tel man, that quarter-final win on penalties in Euro 96 being the pinnacle of English sporting achievement.
Southgate is squandering the greatest footballing talent England have, arguably, ever possessed
I viscerally despise this knee taking fuckwit. I predicted we would limp out of the World Cup Quarter Finals YET AGAIN (as did many). And so it proved
Tunred 73 today and idly wondering when I'm going to start being more conservative.
More practically, how do people handle the retirement thing? I've still got three jobs (charity department head, council executive, translation), none of which are essential to my modest living style. It's nice to be able to give money away, but I'm not sure that's the only meaning of life. But what would I do all day if I stopped? There's a limit to how much time you can spend posting on PB, socialising and playing games.
The obvious answer is to cut back gradually, but a lot of jobs aren't geared for that. Either I'm a department head or I'm not, either I'm charing council committees or I'm not. My general plan is to keep going for another 5 years and then msaybe call it a day. How have other people found the transition?
As I am in my late fifties now I too beginning to think of what to do in retirement. There is only so much gardening and dogwalking possible!
I plan to keep going as long as I enjoy it, and still performing to the right sort of level, though at reduced hours. There is a need to keep mentally and intellectually as well as physically active.
One need is a wide circle of social contact, in person as well as PB, but I think my church and its associated campaigns can do that.
The other need is to do something time consuming and technical with my hands. A colleague with similar experience is taking a course in making musical interests. He reckons it will take him 2 years to make a violin, worth about £8k, so not economic really, but with the right requirement for meticulous absorption.
I got to know some of the engineers at the Society Of Model And Experimental Engineers.
Retired blokes who build steam trains on various scales, basically.
One told me that he was hassled by the wife for going to his back garden workshop. Then he finished his ride-on steam train. Got bored with it in about a week. Sold it for £30k. Took the wife on a top notch cruise.
After that, she hassled him to go back to the shed and build another one….
Full time workshop life is hard and not for retirees. I am 55 and my back, neck and what's left of my hands are completely fucked from four decades of working on cars and motorbikes.
Well, I saved money by buying a ham - £4.50 in Asda - and cooking it overnight in a slow cooker. It has made the most magnificent ham sandwiches for lunch and I have plenty left over so I am putting some in the fridge and giving the rest to a friend of mine.
Far better than spending £3.00 on grey supermarket sliced hammy pap.
The quality of meat that we eat in this country is largely shocking, especially stuff like ham. Water-addled crap sold disgustingly moist. Whereas in almost every other European country they eat the good shit and pay the cheap prices that only buys us water-addled crap.
This is nonsense on ketamine
Do you ever travel? Go into any EU country and they are mainly eating the same ham as us. Prosciutto is generally as mass produced and bowdlerised (or not) as any ham in the UK
The exception is Spain where they are utterly obsessed with ham and it is generally better than anywhere on earth
Yep. Spain. And France. And Italy. And Portugal. And Germany. Apart from that its all bollocks. Yes, you can buy the water-addled shit in Spain. But the market is the good shit. And you can buy the good shit in the UK, but the market is water-addled shit.
Truss says she assumed her mandate would be accepted and respected. There's the conceptual problem, right there. She didn't have a mandate. Her appointment was constitutionally legitimate, but the circumstances were odd and required her to be careful and build trust. She didn't.
Yes, Truss's arrogance was breath taking. She thought she could rip up the economic rulebook and the world would go along with it simply because she was so marvellous. I don't think any British PM, not even Boris, has had such a frightening level of self regard. The nation dodged a massive bullet by flinging her out.
What rulebook was she ripping up exactly? The orthodox rulebook afaik still says if you overtax, the economy will shrink, as the current Government is demonstrating.
I find the niche position that you've carved out for yourself - Liz Truss was undone by the financial markets and the Tory party failing to appreciate her genius - almost endearing. Almost.
Truss says she assumed her mandate would be accepted and respected. There's the conceptual problem, right there. She didn't have a mandate. Her appointment was constitutionally legitimate, but the circumstances were odd and required her to be careful and build trust. She didn't.
Yes, Truss's arrogance was breath taking. She thought she could rip up the economic rulebook and the world would go along with it simply because she was so marvellous. I don't think any British PM, not even Boris, has had such a frightening level of self regard. The nation dodged a massive bullet by flinging her out.
What rulebook was she ripping up exactly? The orthodox rulebook afaik still says if you overtax, the economy will shrink, as the current Government is demonstrating.
I find the niche position that you've carved out for yourself - Liz Truss was undone by the financial markets and the Tory party failing to appreciate her genius - almost endearing. Almost.
If she was not capable of getting people to give her a shot or resist the pressure of ideological opponents, then she was by definition not capable of being leader or suitable to enact her chosen policies. Leaders have to overcome their opponents, Corbyn had the same problem when he whinged like this.
On topic. Liz is on maneuvers and 100% thinks she'll be leader again after the tories lead Sunak to world's tiniest gallows.
Which would be hilarious if it wasn't going to cost billions again...
There was a comment somewhere this morning that Tories now are more likely to be juggling for the position of LoTO than PM.
Rees Mogg fancies his chances apparently
He should - the failure of Sunak to reverse the Tories' fortunes, however unreasiltic that might be, will mean those who want to believe that fairy tales is all they need will be in the ascendency when he then loses the next election.
Well, I saved money by buying a ham - £4.50 in Asda - and cooking it overnight in a slow cooker. It has made the most magnificent ham sandwiches for lunch and I have plenty left over so I am putting some in the fridge and giving the rest to a friend of mine.
Far better than spending £3.00 on grey supermarket sliced hammy pap.
The quality of meat that we eat in this country is largely shocking, especially stuff like ham. Water-addled crap sold disgustingly moist. Whereas in almost every other European country they eat the good shit and pay the cheap prices that only buys us water-addled crap.
This is nonsense on ketamine
Do you ever travel? Go into any EU country and they are mainly eating the same ham as us. Prosciutto is generally as mass produced and bowdlerised (or not) as any ham in the UK
The exception is Spain where they are utterly obsessed with ham and it is generally better than anywhere on earth
It can be quite sobering to visit other countries and realise that there are cheap mass market versions of things like cured ham. We don't - perhaps excepting Aldi or Lidl - get the cheaper versions of Italian or Spanish cured ham, so we assume it's all good. But no, there is plenty of low grade mass produced cured ham which is soft and salty and pleasant, but doesn't really taste of much. And the good stuff isn't cheap there either - so I'm not sure what RP is on about really.
It’s time to admit that feminist criticisms of self-ID & the #GRRBill were right, eat some humble pie & sort this mess out before it does any more damage to the reputation of our party, parliament & the cause of Scotland’s independence
I am somewhat bemused by her propositions that a "Citizen Assembly" is going to help and her insistence that this problem should be "sorted out in Scotland without further interference with the UK government." To me, what is needed is safeguards in the UK EA which can only be done by Westminster. If they attempt to do these in the Scottish bill they will run into the problem of competence again because equality is a reserved matter.
The Scottish government should propose a new schedule to the EA which will apply to Scottish issued certificates under the GRR Bill which deals with sex offenders, prisons, refuges and sports. Once those safeguards are in place the current bill can proceed.
In fairness I'm generally bemused when people think a Citizen's Assembly is the answer to all their problems. I get the theory and some positive examples, but it usually seems to be proposed simply when people don't think the legislative will do what they personally want, so I'd think they could easily be disappointed in an assembly too.
Truss says she assumed her mandate would be accepted and respected. There's the conceptual problem, right there. She didn't have a mandate. Her appointment was constitutionally legitimate, but the circumstances were odd and required her to be careful and build trust. She didn't.
Yes, Truss's arrogance was breath taking. She thought she could rip up the economic rulebook and the world would go along with it simply because she was so marvellous. I don't think any British PM, not even Boris, has had such a frightening level of self regard. The nation dodged a massive bullet by flinging her out.
Matthew Parris, political writer, broadcaster and former Conservative MP, said: “Liz Truss is a planet-sized mass of overconfidence and ambition teetering upon a pinhead of a political brain. It must all come crashing down.”
I often disagree with Parris (BDS) but on this he was spot on. How the fiddle she got as far as the members heaven only knows (“the stupid party” - ed.)
Alas, there is no shortage of those in our governing classes.
Tunred 73 today and idly wondering when I'm going to start being more conservative.
More practically, how do people handle the retirement thing? I've still got three jobs (charity department head, council executive, translation), none of which are essential to my modest living style. It's nice to be able to give money away, but I'm not sure that's the only meaning of life. But what would I do all day if I stopped? There's a limit to how much time you can spend posting on PB, socialising and playing games.
The obvious answer is to cut back gradually, but a lot of jobs aren't geared for that. Either I'm a department head or I'm not, either I'm charing council committees or I'm not. My general plan is to keep going for another 5 years and then msaybe call it a day. How have other people found the transition?
As I am in my late fifties now I too beginning to think of what to do in retirement. There is only so much gardening and dogwalking possible!
I plan to keep going as long as I enjoy it, and still performing to the right sort of level, though at reduced hours. There is a need to keep mentally and intellectually as well as physically active.
One need is a wide circle of social contact, in person as well as PB, but I think my church and its associated campaigns can do that.
The other need is to do something time consuming and technical with my hands. A colleague with similar experience is taking a course in making musical interests. He reckons it will take him 2 years to make a violin, worth about £8k, so not economic really, but with the right requirement for meticulous absorption.
I got to know some of the engineers at the Society Of Model And Experimental Engineers.
Retired blokes who build steam trains on various scales, basically.
One told me that he was hassled by the wife for going to his back garden workshop. Then he finished his ride-on steam train. Got bored with it in about a week. Sold it for £30k. Took the wife on a top notch cruise.
After that, she hassled him to go back to the shed and build another one….
Full time workshop life is hard and not for retirees. I am 55 and my back, neck and what's left of my hands are completely fucked from four decades of working on cars and motorbikes.
The style of work in hobby engineering is different - less force and weight. More about making small bits very precisely.
Most of the time in model steam engine building seems to go in setup and making tools and jigs.
Still working on my design for a somewhat steampunk steam powered model tank - based on a mashup of a Mark V and some interesting ideas in rotary steam engines..
Well, I saved money by buying a ham - £4.50 in Asda - and cooking it overnight in a slow cooker. It has made the most magnificent ham sandwiches for lunch and I have plenty left over so I am putting some in the fridge and giving the rest to a friend of mine.
Far better than spending £3.00 on grey supermarket sliced hammy pap.
The quality of meat that we eat in this country is largely shocking, especially stuff like ham. Water-addled crap sold disgustingly moist. Whereas in almost every other European country they eat the good shit and pay the cheap prices that only buys us water-addled crap.
This is nonsense on ketamine
Do you ever travel? Go into any EU country and they are mainly eating the same ham as us. Prosciutto is generally as mass produced and bowdlerised (or not) as any ham in the UK
The exception is Spain where they are utterly obsessed with ham and it is generally better than anywhere on earth
Yep. Spain. And France. And Italy. And Portugal. And Germany. Apart from that its all bollocks. Yes, you can buy the water-addled shit in Spain. But the market is the good shit. And you can buy the good shit in the UK, but the market is water-addled shit.
Like a lot of things then.
Top end stuff in Britain is as good, if not better, as anywhere in the world.
The more routine stuff, the stuff most of us experience... Rather less so.
Well, I saved money by buying a ham - £4.50 in Asda - and cooking it overnight in a slow cooker. It has made the most magnificent ham sandwiches for lunch and I have plenty left over so I am putting some in the fridge and giving the rest to a friend of mine.
Far better than spending £3.00 on grey supermarket sliced hammy pap.
The quality of meat that we eat in this country is largely shocking, especially stuff like ham. Water-addled crap sold disgustingly moist. Whereas in almost every other European country they eat the good shit and pay the cheap prices that only buys us water-addled crap.
This is nonsense on ketamine
Do you ever travel? Go into any EU country and they are mainly eating the same ham as us. Prosciutto is generally as mass produced and bowdlerised (or not) as any ham in the UK
The exception is Spain where they are utterly obsessed with ham and it is generally better than anywhere on earth
Yep. Spain. And France. And Italy. And Portugal. And Germany. Apart from that its all bollocks. Yes, you can buy the water-addled shit in Spain. But the market is the good shit. And you can buy the good shit in the UK, but the market is water-addled shit.
You clearly haven't been to Germany much if you think their food quality is better than ours.
Well, I saved money by buying a ham - £4.50 in Asda - and cooking it overnight in a slow cooker. It has made the most magnificent ham sandwiches for lunch and I have plenty left over so I am putting some in the fridge and giving the rest to a friend of mine.
Far better than spending £3.00 on grey supermarket sliced hammy pap.
The quality of meat that we eat in this country is largely shocking, especially stuff like ham. Water-addled crap sold disgustingly moist. Whereas in almost every other European country they eat the good shit and pay the cheap prices that only buys us water-addled crap.
This is nonsense on ketamine
Do you ever travel? Go into any EU country and they are mainly eating the same ham as us. Prosciutto is generally as mass produced and bowdlerised (or not) as any ham in the UK
The exception is Spain where they are utterly obsessed with ham and it is generally better than anywhere on earth
Yep. Spain. And France. And Italy. And Portugal. And Germany. Apart from that its all bollocks. Yes, you can buy the water-addled shit in Spain. But the market is the good shit. And you can buy the good shit in the UK, but the market is water-addled shit.
The crap stuff is available in supermarkets in France, Germany and Italy. I’ve seen it. Someone must be buying it.
Truss says she assumed her mandate would be accepted and respected. There's the conceptual problem, right there. She didn't have a mandate. Her appointment was constitutionally legitimate, but the circumstances were odd and required her to be careful and build trust. She didn't.
Yes, Truss's arrogance was breath taking. She thought she could rip up the economic rulebook and the world would go along with it simply because she was so marvellous. I don't think any British PM, not even Boris, has had such a frightening level of self regard. The nation dodged a massive bullet by flinging her out.
Matthew Parris, political writer, broadcaster and former Conservative MP, said: “Liz Truss is a planet-sized mass of overconfidence and ambition teetering upon a pinhead of a political brain. It must all come crashing down.”
I often disagree with Parris (BDS) but on this he was spot on. How the fiddle she got as far as the members heaven only knows (“the stupid party” - ed.)
Alas, there is no shortage of those in our governing classes.
The humble and unassuming are not likely to be attracted to politics in the first place. You need people with confidence and self belief. How to weed out those also lacking in ability is the problem, especially when those selecting them are of the same type, but worse.
Tunred 73 today and idly wondering when I'm going to start being more conservative.
More practically, how do people handle the retirement thing? I've still got three jobs (charity department head, council executive, translation), none of which are essential to my modest living style. It's nice to be able to give money away, but I'm not sure that's the only meaning of life. But what would I do all day if I stopped? There's a limit to how much time you can spend posting on PB, socialising and playing games.
The obvious answer is to cut back gradually, but a lot of jobs aren't geared for that. Either I'm a department head or I'm not, either I'm charing council committees or I'm not. My general plan is to keep going for another 5 years and then msaybe call it a day. How have other people found the transition?
I guess we are all different, I had a full-on career and stopped dead at 59, 13 years ago. I haven't regretted it for a moment. Although I really liked my job for the most part I got increasingly resentful of the fact that it was preventing me spending my time doing what I really wanted to do. I freely admit it only really works because we are comfortably off. The problem is none of us knows how long we have got and I have had good friends die in their 60's still talking about all the things they were going to do once they retired.
Truss says she assumed her mandate would be accepted and respected. There's the conceptual problem, right there. She didn't have a mandate. Her appointment was constitutionally legitimate, but the circumstances were odd and required her to be careful and build trust. She didn't.
Yes, Truss's arrogance was breath taking. She thought she could rip up the economic rulebook and the world would go along with it simply because she was so marvellous. I don't think any British PM, not even Boris, has had such a frightening level of self regard. The nation dodged a massive bullet by flinging her out.
What rulebook was she ripping up exactly? The orthodox rulebook afaik still says if you overtax, the economy will shrink, as the current Government is demonstrating.
I find the niche position that you've carved out for yourself - Liz Truss was undone by the financial markets and the Tory party failing to appreciate her genius - almost endearing. Almost.
If she was not capable of getting people to give her a shot or resist the pressure of ideological opponents, then she was by definition not capable of being leader or suitable to enact her chosen policies. Leaders have to overcome their opponents, Corbyn had the same problem when he whinged like this.
The bitter irony is that Truss and her fellow travellers have claimed for decades that the raw power of the market is the ultimate validator. It seems that Truss's admirers resort to two claims in response to the market's invalidating her: the market is now irredeemably woke; the market wasn't reacting to Liz but the silly old Bank of England.
Well, I saved money by buying a ham - £4.50 in Asda - and cooking it overnight in a slow cooker. It has made the most magnificent ham sandwiches for lunch and I have plenty left over so I am putting some in the fridge and giving the rest to a friend of mine.
Far better than spending £3.00 on grey supermarket sliced hammy pap.
The quality of meat that we eat in this country is largely shocking, especially stuff like ham. Water-addled crap sold disgustingly moist. Whereas in almost every other European country they eat the good shit and pay the cheap prices that only buys us water-addled crap.
This is nonsense on ketamine
Do you ever travel? Go into any EU country and they are mainly eating the same ham as us. Prosciutto is generally as mass produced and bowdlerised (or not) as any ham in the UK
The exception is Spain where they are utterly obsessed with ham and it is generally better than anywhere on earth
Yep. Spain. And France. And Italy. And Portugal. And Germany. Apart from that its all bollocks. Yes, you can buy the water-addled shit in Spain. But the market is the good shit. And you can buy the good shit in the UK, but the market is water-addled shit.
The crap stuff is available in supermarkets in France, Germany and Italy. I’ve seen it. Someone must be buying it.
I have an Italian friend who swears blind the Nescafe granules in every Italian supermarket are only for tourists.
Well, I saved money by buying a ham - £4.50 in Asda - and cooking it overnight in a slow cooker. It has made the most magnificent ham sandwiches for lunch and I have plenty left over so I am putting some in the fridge and giving the rest to a friend of mine.
Far better than spending £3.00 on grey supermarket sliced hammy pap.
The quality of meat that we eat in this country is largely shocking, especially stuff like ham. Water-addled crap sold disgustingly moist. Whereas in almost every other European country they eat the good shit and pay the cheap prices that only buys us water-addled crap.
This is nonsense on ketamine
Do you ever travel? Go into any EU country and they are mainly eating the same ham as us. Prosciutto is generally as mass produced and bowdlerised (or not) as any ham in the UK
The exception is Spain where they are utterly obsessed with ham and it is generally better than anywhere on earth
Yep. Spain. And France. And Italy. And Portugal. And Germany. Apart from that its all bollocks. Yes, you can buy the water-addled shit in Spain. But the market is the good shit. And you can buy the good shit in the UK, but the market is water-addled shit.
The crap stuff is available in supermarkets in France, Germany and Italy. I’ve seen it. Someone must be buying it.
I'm not sure I really follow what this argument even supposed to be about. Good and bad quality meat is available to buy in both places, but the proportion of good and bad available is variable?
Truss says she assumed her mandate would be accepted and respected. There's the conceptual problem, right there. She didn't have a mandate. Her appointment was constitutionally legitimate, but the circumstances were odd and required her to be careful and build trust. She didn't.
Yes, Truss's arrogance was breath taking. She thought she could rip up the economic rulebook and the world would go along with it simply because she was so marvellous. I don't think any British PM, not even Boris, has had such a frightening level of self regard. The nation dodged a massive bullet by flinging her out.
What rulebook was she ripping up exactly? The orthodox rulebook afaik still says if you overtax, the economy will shrink, as the current Government is demonstrating.
I find the niche position that you've carved out for yourself - Liz Truss was undone by the financial markets and the Tory party failing to appreciate her genius - almost endearing. Almost.
If she was not capable of getting people to give her a shot or resist the pressure of ideological opponents, then she was by definition not capable of being leader or suitable to enact her chosen policies. Leaders have to overcome their opponents, Corbyn had the same problem when he whinged like this.
The bitter irony is that Truss and her fellow travellers have claimed for decades that the raw power of the market is the ultimate validator. It seems that Truss's admirers resort to two claims in response to the market's invalidating her: the market is now irredeemably woke; the market wasn't reacting to Liz but the silly old Bank of England.
Yes, that is a good one.
I don't even know enough about economics to judge economic policies, all I know is her proposals caused a storm, and she was incapable of dealing with it - seems to speak for itself to me.
Well, I saved money by buying a ham - £4.50 in Asda - and cooking it overnight in a slow cooker. It has made the most magnificent ham sandwiches for lunch and I have plenty left over so I am putting some in the fridge and giving the rest to a friend of mine.
Far better than spending £3.00 on grey supermarket sliced hammy pap.
The quality of meat that we eat in this country is largely shocking, especially stuff like ham. Water-addled crap sold disgustingly moist. Whereas in almost every other European country they eat the good shit and pay the cheap prices that only buys us water-addled crap.
This is nonsense on ketamine
Do you ever travel? Go into any EU country and they are mainly eating the same ham as us. Prosciutto is generally as mass produced and bowdlerised (or not) as any ham in the UK
The exception is Spain where they are utterly obsessed with ham and it is generally better than anywhere on earth
Yep. Spain. And France. And Italy. And Portugal. And Germany. Apart from that its all bollocks. Yes, you can buy the water-addled shit in Spain. But the market is the good shit. And you can buy the good shit in the UK, but the market is water-addled shit.
The crap stuff is available in supermarkets in France, Germany and Italy. I’ve seen it. Someone must be buying it.
I'm not sure I really follow what this argument even supposed to be about. Good and bad quality meat is available to buy in both places, but the proportion of good and bad available is variable?
That may be partly true. The average italian might be willing to spend more on food than the average brit. But RP's suggestion that the good stuff is cheap on the continent really isn't true - good Parma ham in italy costs what it does here.
It’s time to admit that feminist criticisms of self-ID & the #GRRBill were right, eat some humble pie & sort this mess out before it does any more damage to the reputation of our party, parliament & the cause of Scotland’s independence
I am somewhat bemused by her propositions that a "Citizen Assembly" is going to help and her insistence that this problem should be "sorted out in Scotland without further interference with the UK government." To me, what is needed is safeguards in the UK EA which can only be done by Westminster. If they attempt to do these in the Scottish bill they will run into the problem of competence again because equality is a reserved matter.
The Scottish government should propose a new schedule to the EA which will apply to Scottish issued certificates under the GRR Bill which deals with sex offenders, prisons, refuges and sports. Once those safeguards are in place the current bill can proceed.
In fairness I'm generally bemused when people think a Citizen's Assembly is the answer to all their problems. I get the theory and some positive examples, but it usually seems to be proposed simply when people don't think the legislative will do what they personally want, so I'd think they could easily be disappointed in an assembly too.
Exactly. And in this particular case it is rather more likely that a Citizen Assembly will be significantly more cautious about GRCs than Holyrood were. Of course that might suit Joanna Cherry just fine.
Tunred 73 today and idly wondering when I'm going to start being more conservative.
More practically, how do people handle the retirement thing? I've still got three jobs (charity department head, council executive, translation), none of which are essential to my modest living style. It's nice to be able to give money away, but I'm not sure that's the only meaning of life. But what would I do all day if I stopped? There's a limit to how much time you can spend posting on PB, socialising and playing games.
The obvious answer is to cut back gradually, but a lot of jobs aren't geared for that. Either I'm a department head or I'm not, either I'm charing council committees or I'm not. My general plan is to keep going for another 5 years and then msaybe call it a day. How have other people found the transition?
I guess we are all different, I had a full-on career and stopped dead at 59, 13 years ago. I haven't regretted it for a moment. Although I really liked my job for the most part I got increasingly resentful of the fact that it was preventing me spending my time doing what I really wanted to do. I freely admit it only really works because we are comfortably off. The problem is none of us knows how long we have got and I have had good friends die in their 60's still talking about all the things they were going to do once they retired.
I'm a lot younger then you were. But I was just thinking if I were still working full time as a teacher I would have spent the last two hours planning my lessons for the week ahead (including adapting resources for the dyslexic and visually impaired) with another 4-5 hours still to go.
As it is, I've got about three hours' work today and have been able to go for a walk.
Well, I saved money by buying a ham - £4.50 in Asda - and cooking it overnight in a slow cooker. It has made the most magnificent ham sandwiches for lunch and I have plenty left over so I am putting some in the fridge and giving the rest to a friend of mine.
Far better than spending £3.00 on grey supermarket sliced hammy pap.
The quality of meat that we eat in this country is largely shocking, especially stuff like ham. Water-addled crap sold disgustingly moist. Whereas in almost every other European country they eat the good shit and pay the cheap prices that only buys us water-addled crap.
This is nonsense on ketamine
Do you ever travel? Go into any EU country and they are mainly eating the same ham as us. Prosciutto is generally as mass produced and bowdlerised (or not) as any ham in the UK
The exception is Spain where they are utterly obsessed with ham and it is generally better than anywhere on earth
Yep. Spain. And France. And Italy. And Portugal. And Germany. Apart from that its all bollocks. Yes, you can buy the water-addled shit in Spain. But the market is the good shit. And you can buy the good shit in the UK, but the market is water-addled shit.
The crap stuff is available in supermarkets in France, Germany and Italy. I’ve seen it. Someone must be buying it.
I'm not sure I really follow what this argument even supposed to be about. Good and bad quality meat is available to buy in both places, but the proportion of good and bad available is variable?
Why have a big portion of your store selling crap ham, crap cheese etc. if you are not doing good business selling it?
The shelf space devoted to an area indicates the popularity. Hence the huge sections in Spain for ham.
I’ve seen this in areas where you don’t really get tourists - round Mersault in France, for example.
I wonder if this is the rugby season that England finally lose to Italy. England are at home to Italy next week, and would normally expect to romp to victory
But this England team looks even worse, and more incoherent, than last year. Nervous and weak. Italy are getting better
I am trying to find odds (and failing) - can anyone help?
Bring back Eddie!
Borthwick is so obviously another Stuart Lancaster. He will steer England through a period of dull, quite disappointing averageness. A terrible choice of coach
This summed it up for me:
“Steve Borthwick using wisdom of Gareth Southgate to help shape his England team”
Great. The wisdom of a perennial fucking Loser, with an L for Loser on his Losery forehead which is so large it can be seen from Losertown, Louisiana
Your animosity towards Gareth Southgate is a little peculiar. His record is sound. I take it it's an image thing and you're more an El Tel man, that quarter-final win on penalties in Euro 96 being the pinnacle of English sporting achievement.
Southgate is squandering the greatest footballing talent England have, arguably, ever possessed
I viscerally despise this knee taking fuckwit. I predicted we would limp out of the World Cup Quarter Finals YET AGAIN (as did many). And so it proved
This is ridiculous. England were the better team against France. More possession, more shots and more shots on target. We had one clear penalty not given and one unusually flunked by England's best penalty taker.
And "the greatest footballing talent England have" is DOWN TO GARETH SOUTHGATE. A man who was head of the FA's youth development, then head of the U21s, where he helped developed most of them.
International tournament football is a game with a substantial amount of chance, which is why Brazil, who are stocked with talent, went out early. A semifinal, a final and a quarterfinal is by far the best run England have had in history. A few coin flips and we would likely have won a trophy.
The main reason England have underperformed, pre-Southgate, is the toxic culture and media coverage around the national team, which puts crazy amounts of pressure on the players. A big part of this is ridiculous levels of entitlement among a large minority of England fans. And it's often those that have weak levels of understanding of the intelligent side of the game, put everything down to "will", and rate Sean Dyche types over Pep Guardiola types.
Well, I saved money by buying a ham - £4.50 in Asda - and cooking it overnight in a slow cooker. It has made the most magnificent ham sandwiches for lunch and I have plenty left over so I am putting some in the fridge and giving the rest to a friend of mine.
Far better than spending £3.00 on grey supermarket sliced hammy pap.
The quality of meat that we eat in this country is largely shocking, especially stuff like ham. Water-addled crap sold disgustingly moist. Whereas in almost every other European country they eat the good shit and pay the cheap prices that only buys us water-addled crap.
This is nonsense on ketamine
Do you ever travel? Go into any EU country and they are mainly eating the same ham as us. Prosciutto is generally as mass produced and bowdlerised (or not) as any ham in the UK
The exception is Spain where they are utterly obsessed with ham and it is generally better than anywhere on earth
Yep. Spain. And France. And Italy. And Portugal. And Germany. Apart from that its all bollocks. Yes, you can buy the water-addled shit in Spain. But the market is the good shit. And you can buy the good shit in the UK, but the market is water-addled shit.
The crap stuff is available in supermarkets in France, Germany and Italy. I’ve seen it. Someone must be buying it.
I'm not sure I really follow what this argument even supposed to be about. Good and bad quality meat is available to buy in both places, but the proportion of good and bad available is variable?
Blip - the underlying arguments have not really changed one way or another.
Oh I think that they have. Compared to 2014 we have:
*Brexit, which makes leaving the UK so much more complicated because we can no longer even hope that rUK and the EU will be members of a SM; we now have to choose.
* Far less oil and gas in the North Sea and, even more bizarrely, a reluctance to exploit what there is.
* Sadly, a less viable economy with an even larger structural deficit which would require even larger cuts in public spending than we would have had then.
Isn't Sturgeon's fervour for the gender matter just because it's another wedge between Scotland and the UK, trying to make it Us versus Them?
Given her predelections it is personal rather than UK, other than it does help make UK the fall guy for her pathetic Bill.
Good morning Malcolm.
The problem is that if, as often posited on PB, the public does not overly care about trans issues, then it must be true that the voting public will not care about this trans bill falling. So as a wedge issue it is a poor one to pick. temporary blip stuff.
Temperatures falling and wages falling are way higher up most people's lists.
Morning Bev, Totally agree but given the outcomes immediately after they said the public were talking rubbish and there was no evidence of dangers, up popped the rapist who Sturgeon swore was a woman and had ordered SPS to put in a woman's prison. The public outcry rattled her so much she created a new gender. All it has done is caused a huge public uproar about trans and done them great harm longer term.
The trans activists are not helping their own cause here. I think people should be freely allowed to transition to a different gender if that is truly how they feel and they should not have obstacles put in their way, but the process should not be so easy as to be utterly trivial.
In many ways it is a life changing decision even for those who do not go for hormones or surgery. Come out as trans and a lot of friends and family will simply reject you. I have known those to whom it happened and it wrecked their social support system. It also used to wreck careers but with the current legal frameworks that might be less common.
I think it would also help to actually define what "trans" means in terms of legal process. The actual word "Trans" seems to have come about from a contraction and blending of transvestite, transsexual and transgender all of which are very different but all of which begin with the word "trans", yet only one of those progresses to surgery and it seems to be a very small number. I did a bit of googling and there are only about three surgeons doing a couple of operations each per week. So let us say they do 4 per week per surgeon, that is 3x4x52 = 624 per year in a country of more than 60 million or around 0.001%
I agree, some better definitions would help, not least "living as the opposite gender" for either 2 years under current rules or 3 months under self ID rules, as well as "Trans" itself.
Not sure the numbers having surgery really helps clarify the difference, as clearly demand considerably outstrips capacity.
If we are to require either hormonal transition or surgical transition for a GRC then we need to be able to meet that demand in reasonable timescales.
Well, I saved money by buying a ham - £4.50 in Asda - and cooking it overnight in a slow cooker. It has made the most magnificent ham sandwiches for lunch and I have plenty left over so I am putting some in the fridge and giving the rest to a friend of mine.
Far better than spending £3.00 on grey supermarket sliced hammy pap.
The quality of meat that we eat in this country is largely shocking, especially stuff like ham. Water-addled crap sold disgustingly moist. Whereas in almost every other European country they eat the good shit and pay the cheap prices that only buys us water-addled crap.
This is nonsense on ketamine
Do you ever travel? Go into any EU country and they are mainly eating the same ham as us. Prosciutto is generally as mass produced and bowdlerised (or not) as any ham in the UK
The exception is Spain where they are utterly obsessed with ham and it is generally better than anywhere on earth
Yep. Spain. And France. And Italy. And Portugal. And Germany. Apart from that its all bollocks. Yes, you can buy the water-addled shit in Spain. But the market is the good shit. And you can buy the good shit in the UK, but the market is water-addled shit.
The crap stuff is available in supermarkets in France, Germany and Italy. I’ve seen it. Someone must be buying it.
I'm not sure I really follow what this argument even supposed to be about. Good and bad quality meat is available to buy in both places, but the proportion of good and bad available is variable?
1. Police say there is a small "CCTV blind spot" in the very small, very rural village where the woman fell in to the river last week
2. 100 other policemen fail to find the posh couple on the run with a baby, who have had the audacity to turn off their mobiles and pay cash for everything. Still no indication of what they have done wrong, never mind 100 coppers worth of wrong, unless there is some obscure anti miscegenation statute none of us knew about.
Isn't the issue they have a new born child who has not been registered with any appropriate authority?
It’s time to admit that feminist criticisms of self-ID & the #GRRBill were right, eat some humble pie & sort this mess out before it does any more damage to the reputation of our party, parliament & the cause of Scotland’s independence
I am somewhat bemused by her propositions that a "Citizen Assembly" is going to help and her insistence that this problem should be "sorted out in Scotland without further interference with the UK government." To me, what is needed is safeguards in the UK EA which can only be done by Westminster. If they attempt to do these in the Scottish bill they will run into the problem of competence again because equality is a reserved matter.
The Scottish government should propose a new schedule to the EA which will apply to Scottish issued certificates under the GRR Bill which deals with sex offenders, prisons, refuges and sports. Once those safeguards are in place the current bill can proceed.
They could hardly do a worse job than the Holyrood Committee. Isn’t it Holyrood’s job to come up with legislation that is compliant with U.K. law, rather than have U.K. law amended to suit Holyrood’s convenience? The big issue is “self-ID” - which was NOT in the SNP manifesto….
Well, I saved money by buying a ham - £4.50 in Asda - and cooking it overnight in a slow cooker. It has made the most magnificent ham sandwiches for lunch and I have plenty left over so I am putting some in the fridge and giving the rest to a friend of mine.
Far better than spending £3.00 on grey supermarket sliced hammy pap.
The quality of meat that we eat in this country is largely shocking, especially stuff like ham. Water-addled crap sold disgustingly moist. Whereas in almost every other European country they eat the good shit and pay the cheap prices that only buys us water-addled crap.
This is nonsense on ketamine
Do you ever travel? Go into any EU country and they are mainly eating the same ham as us. Prosciutto is generally as mass produced and bowdlerised (or not) as any ham in the UK
The exception is Spain where they are utterly obsessed with ham and it is generally better than anywhere on earth
Yep. Spain. And France. And Italy. And Portugal. And Germany. Apart from that its all bollocks. Yes, you can buy the water-addled shit in Spain. But the market is the good shit. And you can buy the good shit in the UK, but the market is water-addled shit.
The crap stuff is available in supermarkets in France, Germany and Italy. I’ve seen it. Someone must be buying it.
I'm not sure I really follow what this argument even supposed to be about. Good and bad quality meat is available to buy in both places, but the proportion of good and bad available is variable?
Find a half decent butcher and buy there instead.
Ditto baker and greengrocer. All things we tend to undervalue in the UK as somehow a bit poncy. Because we value something else (convenience? cost?) more.
1. Police say there is a small "CCTV blind spot" in the very small, very rural village where the woman fell in to the river last week
2. 100 other policemen fail to find the posh couple on the run with a baby, who have had the audacity to turn off their mobiles and pay cash for everything. Still no indication of what they have done wrong, never mind 100 coppers worth of wrong, unless there is some obscure anti miscegenation statute none of us knew about.
Isn't the issue they have a new born child who has not been registered with any appropriate authority?
More that one reason that child deaths have dropped so much is giving them a full exam after birth. Modern medicine is awesome, especially when it gets in ahead of problems.
Truss says she assumed her mandate would be accepted and respected. There's the conceptual problem, right there. She didn't have a mandate. Her appointment was constitutionally legitimate, but the circumstances were odd and required her to be careful and build trust. She didn't.
Yes, Truss's arrogance was breath taking. She thought she could rip up the economic rulebook and the world would go along with it simply because she was so marvellous. I don't think any British PM, not even Boris, has had such a frightening level of self regard. The nation dodged a massive bullet by flinging her out.
What rulebook was she ripping up exactly? The orthodox rulebook afaik still says if you overtax, the economy will shrink, as the current Government is demonstrating.
I find the niche position that you've carved out for yourself - Liz Truss was undone by the financial markets and the Tory party failing to appreciate her genius - almost endearing. Almost.
If she was not capable of getting people to give her a shot or resist the pressure of ideological opponents, then she was by definition not capable of being leader or suitable to enact her chosen policies. Leaders have to overcome their opponents, Corbyn had the same problem when he whinged like this.
The bitter irony is that Truss and her fellow travellers have claimed for decades that the raw power of the market is the ultimate validator. It seems that Truss's admirers resort to two claims in response to the market's invalidating her: the market is now irredeemably woke; the market wasn't reacting to Liz but the silly old Bank of England.
The financial markets are important, but they are a small subset of 'the market' which is you, I, and every other financial actor in the world.
Well, I saved money by buying a ham - £4.50 in Asda - and cooking it overnight in a slow cooker. It has made the most magnificent ham sandwiches for lunch and I have plenty left over so I am putting some in the fridge and giving the rest to a friend of mine.
Far better than spending £3.00 on grey supermarket sliced hammy pap.
The quality of meat that we eat in this country is largely shocking, especially stuff like ham. Water-addled crap sold disgustingly moist. Whereas in almost every other European country they eat the good shit and pay the cheap prices that only buys us water-addled crap.
This is nonsense on ketamine
Do you ever travel? Go into any EU country and they are mainly eating the same ham as us. Prosciutto is generally as mass produced and bowdlerised (or not) as any ham in the UK
The exception is Spain where they are utterly obsessed with ham and it is generally better than anywhere on earth
Yep. Spain. And France. And Italy. And Portugal. And Germany. Apart from that its all bollocks. Yes, you can buy the water-addled shit in Spain. But the market is the good shit. And you can buy the good shit in the UK, but the market is water-addled shit.
You clearly haven't been to Germany much if you think their food quality is better than ours.
Well, I saved money by buying a ham - £4.50 in Asda - and cooking it overnight in a slow cooker. It has made the most magnificent ham sandwiches for lunch and I have plenty left over so I am putting some in the fridge and giving the rest to a friend of mine.
Far better than spending £3.00 on grey supermarket sliced hammy pap.
The quality of meat that we eat in this country is largely shocking, especially stuff like ham. Water-addled crap sold disgustingly moist. Whereas in almost every other European country they eat the good shit and pay the cheap prices that only buys us water-addled crap.
This is nonsense on ketamine
Do you ever travel? Go into any EU country and they are mainly eating the same ham as us. Prosciutto is generally as mass produced and bowdlerised (or not) as any ham in the UK
The exception is Spain where they are utterly obsessed with ham and it is generally better than anywhere on earth
Yep. Spain. And France. And Italy. And Portugal. And Germany. Apart from that its all bollocks. Yes, you can buy the water-addled shit in Spain. But the market is the good shit. And you can buy the good shit in the UK, but the market is water-addled shit.
The crap stuff is available in supermarkets in France, Germany and Italy. I’ve seen it. Someone must be buying it.
I'm not sure I really follow what this argument even supposed to be about. Good and bad quality meat is available to buy in both places, but the proportion of good and bad available is variable?
Find a half decent butcher and buy there instead.
Ditto baker and greengrocer. All things we tend to undervalue in the UK as somehow a bit poncy. Because we value something else (convenience? cost?) more.
Cost is why buying crap from supermarkets happens everywhere. You will spend a fortune buying the nice stuff, relative to the cheap stuff everywhere.
Well, I saved money by buying a ham - £4.50 in Asda - and cooking it overnight in a slow cooker. It has made the most magnificent ham sandwiches for lunch and I have plenty left over so I am putting some in the fridge and giving the rest to a friend of mine.
Far better than spending £3.00 on grey supermarket sliced hammy pap.
The quality of meat that we eat in this country is largely shocking, especially stuff like ham. Water-addled crap sold disgustingly moist. Whereas in almost every other European country they eat the good shit and pay the cheap prices that only buys us water-addled crap.
This is nonsense on ketamine
Do you ever travel? Go into any EU country and they are mainly eating the same ham as us. Prosciutto is generally as mass produced and bowdlerised (or not) as any ham in the UK
The exception is Spain where they are utterly obsessed with ham and it is generally better than anywhere on earth
Yep. Spain. And France. And Italy. And Portugal. And Germany. Apart from that its all bollocks. Yes, you can buy the water-addled shit in Spain. But the market is the good shit. And you can buy the good shit in the UK, but the market is water-addled shit.
You clearly haven't been to Germany much if you think their food quality is better than ours.
This is the kind of quality RP is talking about:
I have always wondered why pizza didn't have a lid.
Well, I saved money by buying a ham - £4.50 in Asda - and cooking it overnight in a slow cooker. It has made the most magnificent ham sandwiches for lunch and I have plenty left over so I am putting some in the fridge and giving the rest to a friend of mine.
Far better than spending £3.00 on grey supermarket sliced hammy pap.
The quality of meat that we eat in this country is largely shocking, especially stuff like ham. Water-addled crap sold disgustingly moist. Whereas in almost every other European country they eat the good shit and pay the cheap prices that only buys us water-addled crap.
This is nonsense on ketamine
Do you ever travel? Go into any EU country and they are mainly eating the same ham as us. Prosciutto is generally as mass produced and bowdlerised (or not) as any ham in the UK
The exception is Spain where they are utterly obsessed with ham and it is generally better than anywhere on earth
Yep. Spain. And France. And Italy. And Portugal. And Germany. Apart from that its all bollocks. Yes, you can buy the water-addled shit in Spain. But the market is the good shit. And you can buy the good shit in the UK, but the market is water-addled shit.
it’s simply bollocks. I bet you go to a posh Carrefour in an affluent French town or a El Corte ingles in the nicer bits of Malaga or Madrid and you see lots of good ham - and you will - and you think, Oh, it’s all like this
It isn’t. Most people don’t shop in these places, just as most people in the UK don’t shop in Waitrose or Marks and Sparks. In reality they go to Aldi and Morrisons, Lidl and Asda, Tesco and etc
And this is the case across Europe and they all buy the same OK, agro-industry ham (better ham than you get in the USA, to be fair)
Well, I saved money by buying a ham - £4.50 in Asda - and cooking it overnight in a slow cooker. It has made the most magnificent ham sandwiches for lunch and I have plenty left over so I am putting some in the fridge and giving the rest to a friend of mine.
Far better than spending £3.00 on grey supermarket sliced hammy pap.
The quality of meat that we eat in this country is largely shocking, especially stuff like ham. Water-addled crap sold disgustingly moist. Whereas in almost every other European country they eat the good shit and pay the cheap prices that only buys us water-addled crap.
This is nonsense on ketamine
Do you ever travel? Go into any EU country and they are mainly eating the same ham as us. Prosciutto is generally as mass produced and bowdlerised (or not) as any ham in the UK
The exception is Spain where they are utterly obsessed with ham and it is generally better than anywhere on earth
Yep. Spain. And France. And Italy. And Portugal. And Germany. Apart from that its all bollocks. Yes, you can buy the water-addled shit in Spain. But the market is the good shit. And you can buy the good shit in the UK, but the market is water-addled shit.
You clearly haven't been to Germany much if you think their food quality is better than ours.
This is the kind of quality RP is talking about:
I have always wondered why pizza didn't have a lid.
Well, I saved money by buying a ham - £4.50 in Asda - and cooking it overnight in a slow cooker. It has made the most magnificent ham sandwiches for lunch and I have plenty left over so I am putting some in the fridge and giving the rest to a friend of mine.
Far better than spending £3.00 on grey supermarket sliced hammy pap.
The quality of meat that we eat in this country is largely shocking, especially stuff like ham. Water-addled crap sold disgustingly moist. Whereas in almost every other European country they eat the good shit and pay the cheap prices that only buys us water-addled crap.
This is nonsense on ketamine
Do you ever travel? Go into any EU country and they are mainly eating the same ham as us. Prosciutto is generally as mass produced and bowdlerised (or not) as any ham in the UK
The exception is Spain where they are utterly obsessed with ham and it is generally better than anywhere on earth
Yep. Spain. And France. And Italy. And Portugal. And Germany. Apart from that its all bollocks. Yes, you can buy the water-addled shit in Spain. But the market is the good shit. And you can buy the good shit in the UK, but the market is water-addled shit.
You clearly haven't been to Germany much if you think their food quality is better than ours.
Well, I saved money by buying a ham - £4.50 in Asda - and cooking it overnight in a slow cooker. It has made the most magnificent ham sandwiches for lunch and I have plenty left over so I am putting some in the fridge and giving the rest to a friend of mine.
Far better than spending £3.00 on grey supermarket sliced hammy pap.
The quality of meat that we eat in this country is largely shocking, especially stuff like ham. Water-addled crap sold disgustingly moist. Whereas in almost every other European country they eat the good shit and pay the cheap prices that only buys us water-addled crap.
This is nonsense on ketamine
Do you ever travel? Go into any EU country and they are mainly eating the same ham as us. Prosciutto is generally as mass produced and bowdlerised (or not) as any ham in the UK
The exception is Spain where they are utterly obsessed with ham and it is generally better than anywhere on earth
Yep. Spain. And France. And Italy. And Portugal. And Germany. Apart from that its all bollocks. Yes, you can buy the water-addled shit in Spain. But the market is the good shit. And you can buy the good shit in the UK, but the market is water-addled shit.
The crap stuff is available in supermarkets in France, Germany and Italy. I’ve seen it. Someone must be buying it.
I'm not sure I really follow what this argument even supposed to be about. Good and bad quality meat is available to buy in both places, but the proportion of good and bad available is variable?
Find a half decent butcher and buy there instead.
Ditto baker and greengrocer. All things we tend to undervalue in the UK as somehow a bit poncy. Because we value something else (convenience? cost?) more.
Cost is why buying crap from supermarkets happens everywhere. You will spend a fortune buying the nice stuff, relative to the cheap stuff everywhere.
I actually find it cheaper to buy the good stuff from a butcher and greengrocer than the crap from a supermarket.
But - that's shopping for one person where diseconomies of scale apply.
Blip - the underlying arguments have not really changed one way or another.
Oh I think that they have. Compared to 2014 we have:
*Brexit, which makes leaving the UK so much more complicated because we can no longer even hope that rUK and the EU will be members of a SM; we now have to choose.
* Far less oil and gas in the North Sea and, even more bizarrely, a reluctance to exploit what there is.
* Sadly, a less viable economy with an even larger structural deficit which would require even larger cuts in public spending than we would have had then.
Well, I saved money by buying a ham - £4.50 in Asda - and cooking it overnight in a slow cooker. It has made the most magnificent ham sandwiches for lunch and I have plenty left over so I am putting some in the fridge and giving the rest to a friend of mine.
Far better than spending £3.00 on grey supermarket sliced hammy pap.
The quality of meat that we eat in this country is largely shocking, especially stuff like ham. Water-addled crap sold disgustingly moist. Whereas in almost every other European country they eat the good shit and pay the cheap prices that only buys us water-addled crap.
This is nonsense on ketamine
Do you ever travel? Go into any EU country and they are mainly eating the same ham as us. Prosciutto is generally as mass produced and bowdlerised (or not) as any ham in the UK
The exception is Spain where they are utterly obsessed with ham and it is generally better than anywhere on earth
Yep. Spain. And France. And Italy. And Portugal. And Germany. Apart from that its all bollocks. Yes, you can buy the water-addled shit in Spain. But the market is the good shit. And you can buy the good shit in the UK, but the market is water-addled shit.
The crap stuff is available in supermarkets in France, Germany and Italy. I’ve seen it. Someone must be buying it.
I'm not sure I really follow what this argument even supposed to be about. Good and bad quality meat is available to buy in both places, but the proportion of good and bad available is variable?
Find a half decent butcher and buy there instead.
Ditto baker and greengrocer. All things we tend to undervalue in the UK as somehow a bit poncy. Because we value something else (convenience? cost?) more.
Cost is why buying crap from supermarkets happens everywhere. You will spend a fortune buying the nice stuff, relative to the cheap stuff everywhere.
I actually find it cheaper to buy the good stuff from a butcher and greengrocer than the crap from a supermarket.
But - that's shopping for one person where diseconomies of scale apply.
It's also at a cost of time, which most people don't have these days.
One of the most underdiscussed drivers behind societal problems is excessive working hours. Our best talent works more than 60 hours a week in a lot of top jobs, even though all the research shows there is an absolute decline in productivity. Those people then have no time for good health choices, charity work, general civic community interaction, etc.
I wonder if this is the rugby season that England finally lose to Italy. England are at home to Italy next week, and would normally expect to romp to victory
But this England team looks even worse, and more incoherent, than last year. Nervous and weak. Italy are getting better
I am trying to find odds (and failing) - can anyone help?
Bring back Eddie!
Borthwick is so obviously another Stuart Lancaster. He will steer England through a period of dull, quite disappointing averageness. A terrible choice of coach
This summed it up for me:
“Steve Borthwick using wisdom of Gareth Southgate to help shape his England team”
Great. The wisdom of a perennial fucking Loser, with an L for Loser on his Losery forehead which is so large it can be seen from Losertown, Louisiana
Your animosity towards Gareth Southgate is a little peculiar. His record is sound. I take it it's an image thing and you're more an El Tel man, that quarter-final win on penalties in Euro 96 being the pinnacle of English sporting achievement.
Southgate is squandering the greatest footballing talent England have, arguably, ever possessed
I viscerally despise this knee taking fuckwit. I predicted we would limp out of the World Cup Quarter Finals YET AGAIN (as did many). And so it proved
This is ridiculous. England were the better team against France. More possession, more shots and more shots on target. We had one clear penalty not given and one unusually flunked by England's best penalty taker.
And "the greatest footballing talent England have" is DOWN TO GARETH SOUTHGATE. A man who was head of the FA's youth development, then head of the U21s, where he helped developed most of them.
International tournament football is a game with a substantial amount of chance, which is why Brazil, who are stocked with talent, went out early. A semifinal, a final and a quarterfinal is by far the best run England have had in history. A few coin flips and we would likely have won a trophy.
The main reason England have underperformed, pre-Southgate, is the toxic culture and media coverage around the national team, which puts crazy amounts of pressure on the players. A big part of this is ridiculous levels of entitlement among a large minority of England fans. And it's often those that have weak levels of understanding of the intelligent side of the game, put everything down to "will", and rate Sean Dyche types over Pep Guardiola types.
A gallant loser is still a loser. Better team or not against France we still lost. Southgate has done a good job and I wouldn’t personally see him replaced but his tenure, so far, has been one of glorious failure.
Well, I saved money by buying a ham - £4.50 in Asda - and cooking it overnight in a slow cooker. It has made the most magnificent ham sandwiches for lunch and I have plenty left over so I am putting some in the fridge and giving the rest to a friend of mine.
Far better than spending £3.00 on grey supermarket sliced hammy pap.
The quality of meat that we eat in this country is largely shocking, especially stuff like ham. Water-addled crap sold disgustingly moist. Whereas in almost every other European country they eat the good shit and pay the cheap prices that only buys us water-addled crap.
This is nonsense on ketamine
Do you ever travel? Go into any EU country and they are mainly eating the same ham as us. Prosciutto is generally as mass produced and bowdlerised (or not) as any ham in the UK
The exception is Spain where they are utterly obsessed with ham and it is generally better than anywhere on earth
Yep. Spain. And France. And Italy. And Portugal. And Germany. Apart from that its all bollocks. Yes, you can buy the water-addled shit in Spain. But the market is the good shit. And you can buy the good shit in the UK, but the market is water-addled shit.
The crap stuff is available in supermarkets in France, Germany and Italy. I’ve seen it. Someone must be buying it.
I'm not sure I really follow what this argument even supposed to be about. Good and bad quality meat is available to buy in both places, but the proportion of good and bad available is variable?
Find a half decent butcher and buy there instead.
Ditto baker and greengrocer. All things we tend to undervalue in the UK as somehow a bit poncy. Because we value something else (convenience? cost?) more.
Cost is why buying crap from supermarkets happens everywhere. You will spend a fortune buying the nice stuff, relative to the cheap stuff everywhere.
I actually find it cheaper to buy the good stuff from a butcher and greengrocer than the crap from a supermarket.
But - that's shopping for one person where diseconomies of scale apply.
It's also at a cost of time, which most people don't have these days.
One of the most underdiscussed drivers behind societal problems is excessive working hours. Our best talent works more than 60 hours a week in a lot of top jobs, even though all the research shows there is an absolute decline in productivity. Those people then have no time for good health choices, charity work, general civic community interaction, etc.
Although I still shopped at a butcher even when working those sort of hours.
1. Police say there is a small "CCTV blind spot" in the very small, very rural village where the woman fell in to the river last week
2. 100 other policemen fail to find the posh couple on the run with a baby, who have had the audacity to turn off their mobiles and pay cash for everything. Still no indication of what they have done wrong, never mind 100 coppers worth of wrong, unless there is some obscure anti miscegenation statute none of us knew about.
Having recently become a father (12 days ago) I can testify to the level of health care involvement in the first few days. If not a visit in person, a midwife has phoned pretty much every day. It could be just that - concern for the babies welfare in the absence of checks. Or it could be rather more sinister.
It’s time to admit that feminist criticisms of self-ID & the #GRRBill were right, eat some humble pie & sort this mess out before it does any more damage to the reputation of our party, parliament & the cause of Scotland’s independence
I am somewhat bemused by her propositions that a "Citizen Assembly" is going to help and her insistence that this problem should be "sorted out in Scotland without further interference with the UK government." To me, what is needed is safeguards in the UK EA which can only be done by Westminster. If they attempt to do these in the Scottish bill they will run into the problem of competence again because equality is a reserved matter.
The Scottish government should propose a new schedule to the EA which will apply to Scottish issued certificates under the GRR Bill which deals with sex offenders, prisons, refuges and sports. Once those safeguards are in place the current bill can proceed.
In fairness I'm generally bemused when people think a Citizen's Assembly is the answer to all their problems. I get the theory and some positive examples, but it usually seems to be proposed simply when people don't think the legislative will do what they personally want, so I'd think they could easily be disappointed in an assembly too.
Citizen's Assemblies work well when there's a delicate balancing of competing interests and rights to do, something legislatures in an age of partisan media struggle to do.
In a British context I think they could play the role that Royal Commissions and free votes in the Commons once played.
You're right that there are a few people who think that they would be an easy way to circumvent the need to win public support for a particular change, but I don't think it invalidates the concept.
On the trans aspect of this it's a topic I don't like discussing online as there is so much hatred around and the complexities and nuances of gender identity too easily get lost in ignorance and raging venom. That's not avoidance: I've written about this in the national press and appeared on tv discussing it.
All I want to say for now is that the right-wing here and in the US have weaponised culture wars and this 'anti-woke' agenda.
That's the biggest problem with Nicola. Not that she was wrong but that her timing was and in some ways that's even worse because it can damage a cause for years. Really astute politicians know when to make their move and when to bide their time.
Two or three years from now, whatever obfuscations are dribbling out of Sir Keir's mouth, the climate here in the UK will feel very different, as it did when Tony Blair's New Labour took over in 1997. The time to move forward with trans freedoms will come, regardless of whether the hateful oldies hate it, but that time is not yet.
Ideologues of all sorts often do this and Socialists are every bit as bad as the Right. They love to dictate and force their ideas on others because of course 'they know best'. Look at Sadiq with the Ulez.
Bored of this
"I've written about this in the national press and appeared on tv discussing it."
I bet you have not. £500, loser to pay Trussell Trust or red Cross Ukraine appeal, national press means proper ex Fleet Street titles, TV is BBC itv or c4, written excludes below the line, appeared excludes question from audience.
You cannot lose , that is a fantasist nutter there, the other week they could not boil a kettle as they were so poor.
I particularly enjoyed the fable of filling a thermos with the dregs of the boiled water from the kettle.
That was indeed the most wonderful lie ever to appear on PB. I respect the skilled sock puppeteer behind @Heathener
Nothing like a bit of self-love by the poolside on a Sunday.
On the trans aspect of this it's a topic I don't like discussing online as there is so much hatred around and the complexities and nuances of gender identity too easily get lost in ignorance and raging venom. That's not avoidance: I've written about this in the national press and appeared on tv discussing it.
All I want to say for now is that the right-wing here and in the US have weaponised culture wars and this 'anti-woke' agenda.
That's the biggest problem with Nicola. Not that she was wrong but that her timing was and in some ways that's even worse because it can damage a cause for years. Really astute politicians know when to make their move and when to bide their time.
Two or three years from now, whatever obfuscations are dribbling out of Sir Keir's mouth, the climate here in the UK will feel very different, as it did when Tony Blair's New Labour took over in 1997. The time to move forward with trans freedoms will come, regardless of whether the hateful oldies hate it, but that time is not yet.
Ideologues of all sorts often do this and Socialists are every bit as bad as the Right. They love to dictate and force their ideas on others because of course 'they know best'. Look at Sadiq with the Ulez.
Bored of this
"I've written about this in the national press and appeared on tv discussing it."
I bet you have not. £500, loser to pay Trussell Trust or red Cross Ukraine appeal, national press means proper ex Fleet Street titles, TV is BBC itv or c4, written excludes below the line, appeared excludes question from audience.
You cannot lose , that is a fantasist nutter there, the other week they could not boil a kettle as they were so poor.
I particularly enjoyed the fable of filling a thermos with the dregs of the boiled water from the kettle.
Someone at one of my former workplaces used to boil the kettle and fill a Thermos each evening before going home.
People have also been told off for using the office milk for their breakfast cereal rather than just for hot drinks.
I always fill my thermos from left overs in the kettle and then use that to reboil. My first partner was already doing this years ago.
Not sure why someone would find this difficult to get their head around or describe it as a fable, but there you go. For those of us who a) believe in protecting the environment and b) saving money it's a no brainer.
Thermos kettles are a thing, I believe. Which combines the two things.
I would suspect that a fair bit of heat is lost in pouring the water into a cold thermos. A Thermos kettle solves that.
They sound like a good idea. Thanks for the tip. I shall investigate.
If you are so poor you need to save the dregs of a kettle of water then you will not be able to afford a thermos kettle which would take many many years to recover teh cost of the expense of the kettle. I still say you are a fake.
I'm sure you do Malcolm.
I was going to point out that the cost of buying the thing would out-do the saving on the energy but thought that might detract from what was essentially a decent and good point. The kind of sensitivity that would perhaps pass you by Malcolm.
Anyway I shall leave you men to your arguments and obsessions about whether or not men or women or not-women have penises and whether or not they are bigger than your own.
Ciao ciao
xx
Don't be fooled, I am a sensitive soul under this hard exterior. @Heathener
p.s. we call others 'fake' when we are threatened.
Fill a thermos and help save the planet. It'll make you feel good too. And when you're on a pre-payment meter it's especially satisfying.
xx
Or boil exactly what you need. That’s the scientific approach.
Is it very thrifty of me to make gravy from water I've boiled vegetables in? Or just a bit silly?
No, it's how my Mum does it. Vitamin C leaches out of the veggies as they cook, so it is saved by using it for the gravy (apparently - this has not undergone chemicla trials).
It's how I've always done it. It's easily the best way.
steamed vegetables are far better, only potatoes and turnip etc would be boiled
It’s time to admit that feminist criticisms of self-ID & the #GRRBill were right, eat some humble pie & sort this mess out before it does any more damage to the reputation of our party, parliament & the cause of Scotland’s independence
I am somewhat bemused by her propositions that a "Citizen Assembly" is going to help and her insistence that this problem should be "sorted out in Scotland without further interference with the UK government." To me, what is needed is safeguards in the UK EA which can only be done by Westminster. If they attempt to do these in the Scottish bill they will run into the problem of competence again because equality is a reserved matter.
The Scottish government should propose a new schedule to the EA which will apply to Scottish issued certificates under the GRR Bill which deals with sex offenders, prisons, refuges and sports. Once those safeguards are in place the current bill can proceed.
David, she may be giving a nod to fact we need independence rather than be at the behest of England to make up its mind what we want or need. For good or bad.
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PS Happy birthday!
https://www.thenational.scot/politics/20848757.liz-truss-just-like-boris-johnson-fate-will-befall/
I often disagree with Parris (BDS) but on this he was spot on. How the fiddle she got as far as the members heaven only knows (“the stupid party” - ed.)
Here she strapped on a suicide vest and pressed the detonator...
1. Police say there is a small "CCTV blind spot" in the very small, very rural village where the woman fell in to the river last week
2. 100 other policemen fail to find the posh couple on the run with a baby, who have had the audacity to turn off their mobiles and pay cash for everything. Still no indication of what they have done wrong, never mind 100 coppers worth of wrong, unless there is some obscure anti miscegenation statute none of us knew about.
It’s time to admit that feminist criticisms of self-ID & the #GRRBill were right, eat some humble pie & sort this mess out before it does any more damage to the reputation of our party, parliament & the cause of Scotland’s independence
https://twitter.com/joannaccherry/status/1622167632509018113
I viscerally despise this knee taking fuckwit. I predicted we would limp out of the World Cup Quarter Finals YET AGAIN (as did many). And so it proved
The Scottish government should propose a new schedule to the EA which will apply to Scottish issued certificates under the GRR Bill which deals with sex offenders, prisons, refuges and sports. Once those safeguards are in place the current bill can proceed.
Do you ever travel? Go into any EU country and they are mainly eating the same ham as us. Prosciutto is generally as mass produced and bowdlerised (or not) as any ham in the UK
The exception is Spain where they are utterly obsessed with ham and it is generally better than anywhere on earth
There was a comment somewhere this morning that Tories now are more likely to be juggling for the position of LoTO than PM.
Rees Mogg fancies his chances apparently
Most of the time in model steam engine building seems to go in setup and making tools and jigs.
Still working on my design for a somewhat steampunk steam powered model tank - based on a mashup of a Mark V and some interesting ideas in rotary steam engines..
Top end stuff in Britain is as good, if not better, as anywhere in the world.
The more routine stuff, the stuff most of us experience... Rather less so.
I don't even know enough about economics to judge economic policies, all I know is her proposals caused a storm, and she was incapable of dealing with it - seems to speak for itself to me.
As it is, I've got about three hours' work today and have been able to go for a walk.
The shelf space devoted to an area indicates the popularity. Hence the huge sections in Spain for ham.
I’ve seen this in areas where you don’t really get tourists - round Mersault in France, for example.
And "the greatest footballing talent England have" is DOWN TO GARETH SOUTHGATE. A man who was head of the FA's youth development, then head of the U21s, where he helped developed most of them.
International tournament football is a game with a substantial amount of chance, which is why Brazil, who are stocked with talent, went out early. A semifinal, a final and a quarterfinal is by far the best run England have had in history. A few coin flips and we would likely have won a trophy.
The main reason England have underperformed, pre-Southgate, is the toxic culture and media coverage around the national team, which puts crazy amounts of pressure on the players. A big part of this is ridiculous levels of entitlement among a large minority of England fans. And it's often those that have weak levels of understanding of the intelligent side of the game, put everything down to "will", and rate Sean Dyche types over Pep Guardiola types.
*Brexit, which makes leaving the UK so much more complicated because we can no longer even hope that rUK and the EU will be members of a SM; we now have to choose.
* Far less oil and gas in the North Sea and, even more bizarrely, a reluctance to exploit what there is.
* Sadly, a less viable economy with an even larger structural deficit which would require even larger cuts in public spending than we would have had then.
* Higher taxes already reducing our competitiveness.
*Lower education standards.
* A much, much bigger UK debt to divvy up.
* Good, recent examples from Covid of how being part of a larger economic unit can have advantages.
The economic arguments for independence are vastly weaker than they were in 2014.
Not sure the numbers having surgery really helps clarify the difference, as clearly demand considerably outstrips capacity.
If we are to require either hormonal transition or surgical transition for a GRC then we need to be able to meet that demand in reasonable timescales.
Nelle Charcuterie De Bourgogne
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It isn’t. Most people don’t shop in these places, just as most people in the UK don’t shop in Waitrose or Marks and Sparks. In reality they go to Aldi and Morrisons, Lidl and Asda, Tesco and etc
And this is the case across Europe and they all buy the same OK, agro-industry ham (better ham than you get in the USA, to be fair)
They are awesome, when done right.
A full trolley can set you back £400, but the author reckoned that was worth it...
https://ndion.de/en/dr-oetker-launches-fish-finger-pizza-on-the-market-for-a-short-time/
Such as actually have £400 to spend on a trolley of food.
NEW THREAD
But - that's shopping for one person where diseconomies of scale apply.
France
https://www.thelocal.fr/20190917/mcdonalds-celebrates-40-years-of-big-macs-in-france/
One of the most underdiscussed drivers behind societal problems is excessive working hours. Our best talent works more than 60 hours a week in a lot of top jobs, even though all the research shows there is an absolute decline in productivity. Those people then have no time for good health choices, charity work, general civic community interaction, etc.
Not a greengrocer though...
It could be just that - concern for the babies welfare in the absence of checks.
Or it could be rather more sinister.
In a British context I think they could play the role that Royal Commissions and free votes in the Commons once played.
You're right that there are a few people who think that they would be an easy way to circumvent the need to win public support for a particular change, but I don't think it invalidates the concept.