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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,113
    DavidL said:

    Just a point:

    Trans people are people. They deserve as much respect and compassion as everyone else in our society. This constant "They're a threat!" shittiness that goes on on here is really, really dangerous.

    Women are people too and have rights too.

    You might note that the concern is not with trans people but with men who will abuse poorly drafted law. The attacks on critics of this law frequently resort to blanket claims of “transphobia” because their initial attempt to get it through with “no debate” has been ignored, mainly by women (frequently left wing) who will not be told to “shut up”.
    Wow. I never realised women have rights too. Thanks for telling me, Carlotta (/sarcasm mode).

    Read the tweet you posted. It is part of a constant drip-drip of poison that trans people are a threat. The tweet connects, to anyone reading it, trans people and negative traits.

    Some questions: how many trans people cross-dress for erotic purposes? All? Some? None? If they do, is giving them access to "women's spaces" (i.e. loos) fulfilling these dark "erotic purposes"? What about trans people who just want to have a pee without being hassled or beaten up when they go into the 'wrong' toilet? What even are "erotic purposes"?

    The tweet below about Arizona shows the direction we're heading in, if we're not careful.
    Trans people are entitled to dignity, respect and consideration. There is no evidence that as a group they are any more prone to crime than the rest of society.
    But the rights they want can be abused by predatory men seeking access to women only spaces. We need safeguards to ensure that does not happen. The GRR bill has no such safeguards. That is what needs addressed.
    The safeguards may require modifications of the Equality Act which is ambiguous because it does not distinguish between sex and gender. That is what people should be focusing on. The political game playing around this threatens the reputation and safety of those the proponents say they want to protect.
    Let's take an example case. Someone was born as Michael, and aged 25 transitions to be called Mary. She starts a relationship, and 30 years later she realises she is in a abusive relationship that she needs to get out of.

    She has spent over half her life as a woman; many of her acquaintances do not know she was born male, the rest don't care.

    Should she be able to access a women's refuge?
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    Just a point:

    Trans people are people. They deserve as much respect and compassion as everyone else in our society. This constant "They're a threat!" shittiness that goes on on here is really, really dangerous.

    Women are people too and have rights too.

    You might note that the concern is not with trans people but with men who will abuse poorly drafted law. The attacks on critics of this law frequently resort to blanket claims of “transphobia” because their initial attempt to get it through with “no debate” has been ignored, mainly by women (frequently left wing) who will not be told to “shut up”.
    Wow. I never realised women have rights too. Thanks for telling me, Carlotta (/sarcasm mode).

    Read the tweet you posted. It is part of a constant drip-drip of poison that trans people are a threat. The tweet connects, to anyone reading it, trans people and negative traits.

    Some questions: how many trans people cross-dress for erotic purposes? All? Some? None? If they do, is giving them access to "women's spaces" (i.e. loos) fulfilling these dark "erotic purposes"? What about trans people who just want to have a pee without being hassled or beaten up when they go into the 'wrong' toilet? What even are "erotic purposes"?

    The tweet below about Arizona shows the direction we're heading in, if we're not careful.
    Where does the Tweet do that? It doesn't even mention trans people, I will highlight the word it does use.

    A legal expert has warned Scotland’s controversial gender laws will provide men “who cross-dress for erotic purposes” with a “magic certificate” to access women’s spaces.

    (Snip)
    'cross-dressers' is another term for transvestites.

    "Today, the term transvestite is commonly considered outdated and derogatory, with the term cross-dresser used as a more appropriate replacement." (1)

    So yes, the tweet is referring to trans people; just men who dress up as women; not women as men.

    (1): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transvestism
    But she didn’t say “transvestites” - you put those words in her mouth.

    I suggest you look up “autogynephilia”.
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    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:
    How many knifings though
    69 knife-related killings the report says. Down 17%.
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    The politics of the teacher strike has been interesting this morning.
    Gillian Keegan on @TimesRadio was very measured, pointed out that most teachers are reasonably well paid and gently disputed the idea that loads are using food banks….

    Now the NEU rep on to explain why they are striking is instead going on about the number of food banks, child hunger and austerity.
    Important issues but this is a pay dispute not an anti-Tory protest. Isn’t it?

    Also, I asked Kevin Courtney, joint general secretary of the National Education Union, if NEU staff had been given a 12% pay rise this year (which is what they are asking the government for).

    He said no. Because they couldn't afford it.


    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1620700343419150336

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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,113
    malcolmg said:

    Just a point:

    Trans people are people. They deserve as much respect and compassion as everyone else in our society. This constant "They're a threat!" shittiness that goes on on here is really, really dangerous.

    Women are people too and have rights too.

    You might note that the concern is not with trans people but with men who will abuse poorly drafted law. The attacks on critics of this law frequently resort to blanket claims of “transphobia” because their initial attempt to get it through with “no debate” has been ignored, mainly by women (frequently left wing) who will not be told to “shut up”.
    Wow. I never realised women have rights too. Thanks for telling me, Carlotta (/sarcasm mode).

    Read the tweet you posted. It is part of a constant drip-drip of poison that trans people are a threat. The tweet connects, to anyone reading it, trans people and negative traits.

    Some questions: how many trans people cross-dress for erotic purposes? All? Some? None? If they do, is giving them access to "women's spaces" (i.e. loos) fulfilling these dark "erotic purposes"? What about trans people who just want to have a pee without being hassled or beaten up when they go into the 'wrong' toilet? What even are "erotic purposes"?

    The tweet below about Arizona shows the direction we're heading in, if we're not careful.
    You seem desperate , like teh Scottish government, to totally miss the point that people are objecting to MEN gaining access to women's safe places. All this crap about trans people getting beaten up when they go for a piss is unsubstantiated mince. There are nearly always facilities such as unisex disabled toilets that can be used, etc.
    You seem desperate to trash the rights of 50% of the population just on the whim of a few cross dressers , about 0.04% of population and 95% still have their block and tackle.
    "trash the rights"

    No, I'm not trying to 'trash the rights' of anyone. I'm trying to wind my way through a very messy topic and come up with what I think is the best solution in good faith.

    And BTW, I'm glad I live in a society where the rights of a minority of law-abiding citizens - whether that minority is 1%, 0.1%, 0.01% or 0.001% - are protected by the majority.

    Also BTW, the figure is higher than that -at least 0.5% (exc. Scotland)
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ons-trans-gender-data-uk-b2257199.html
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,113

    Just a point:

    Trans people are people. They deserve as much respect and compassion as everyone else in our society. This constant "They're a threat!" shittiness that goes on on here is really, really dangerous.

    Women are people too and have rights too.

    You might note that the concern is not with trans people but with men who will abuse poorly drafted law. The attacks on critics of this law frequently resort to blanket claims of “transphobia” because their initial attempt to get it through with “no debate” has been ignored, mainly by women (frequently left wing) who will not be told to “shut up”.
    Wow. I never realised women have rights too. Thanks for telling me, Carlotta (/sarcasm mode).

    Read the tweet you posted. It is part of a constant drip-drip of poison that trans people are a threat. The tweet connects, to anyone reading it, trans people and negative traits.

    Some questions: how many trans people cross-dress for erotic purposes? All? Some? None? If they do, is giving them access to "women's spaces" (i.e. loos) fulfilling these dark "erotic purposes"? What about trans people who just want to have a pee without being hassled or beaten up when they go into the 'wrong' toilet? What even are "erotic purposes"?

    The tweet below about Arizona shows the direction we're heading in, if we're not careful.
    Where does the Tweet do that? It doesn't even mention trans people, I will highlight the word it does use.

    A legal expert has warned Scotland’s controversial gender laws will provide men “who cross-dress for erotic purposes” with a “magic certificate” to access women’s spaces.

    (Snip)
    'cross-dressers' is another term for transvestites.

    "Today, the term transvestite is commonly considered outdated and derogatory, with the term cross-dresser used as a more appropriate replacement." (1)

    So yes, the tweet is referring to trans people; just men who dress up as women; not women as men.

    (1): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transvestism
    But she didn’t say “transvestites” - you put those words in her mouth.

    I suggest you look up “autogynephilia”.
    "cross-dresser" is essentially synonymous with "transvestite"; for various reasons one word or the other is in or out of favour with various groups.
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    TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 114,628
    edited February 2023
    On topic, the most famous Congressman with the surname Santos went on to become President of the United States with a CV less distinguished than George Santos, just saying.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,638
    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:
    How many knifings though
    First off - the knife crime stats the Daily Mail bleats about include every time the police catch someone carrying a blade.
    Serious question , are they on downward trend as well. Not long ago there was mass hysteria about them in eth papers most days.
    It’s a reporting problem - the police crack down on carrying a knife, knife crime zooms up.

    Then the Daily Mail runs a story comparing “knife crimes” in London with actual crimes committed with a knife in New York…
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187
    Nigelb said:

    Nikki Haley poised to enter 2024 presidential race
    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/31/nikki-haley-2024-presidential-race-00080575
    ...Haley declared in 2021 that she wouldn’t run for president if Trump did. But Haley telegraphed her change of plans in an interview with Fox News earlier this month, saying, “It’s bigger than one person. And when you’re looking at the future of America, I think it’s time for new generational change. I don’t think you need to be 80 years old to go be a leader in D.C.”..

    The Jon Huntsman of the 2024 GOP primaries, looks good for the general election on paper, has zero chance of winning the GOP nomination in reality
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    Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 33,232
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    Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 7,600
    Amazing that nobody has mentioned the awful Sadiq Khan amidst the reports of homicides in London.
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    So I tried to send a parcel to Germany. Post office not accepting ANY international parcels “For Foreseeable Future “ FFs everything seems to be breaking down. Feel so bad for small businesses relying on this service.

    https://twitter.com/fayripley/status/1620330269843804160?s=46&t=nnLXq5Z07DBdk24m3S9O2w
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    Scott_xP said:
    Demise of the Scottish independence movement story No. 832,017
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    Pro_RataPro_Rata Posts: 4,854
    It's been little noted that the debate about 'trans' prisoners, a number of whom clearly do represent a threat if handled badly, is taking place under current legislation and indeed instances of sexual assault f at women's prisons from trans M->F prisoners have taken
    place in England.

    It does suggest that this particular safety issue, if not fully orthogonal, is at least off at an angle to self ID, and there is the possibility to disentangle making life easier for trans people and not giving free rein to a non trivial minority who would look to abuse that ease.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,994
    edited February 2023

    Scott_xP said:
    Demise of the Scottish independence movement story No. 832,017
    Nice of him to remind us (again) about Tory satraps imposing the poll tax on Scotland unnecessarily, after a revaluation, too.
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    Carnyx said:
    I wonder if they’d repair nuclear ships with glue if they were based in London?
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    Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 25,599

    Just a point:

    Trans people are people. They deserve as much respect and compassion as everyone else in our society. This constant "They're a threat!" shittiness that goes on on here is really, really dangerous.

    Women are people too and have rights too.

    You might note that the concern is not with trans people but with men who will abuse poorly drafted law. The attacks on critics of this law frequently resort to blanket claims of “transphobia” because their initial attempt to get it through with “no debate” has been ignored, mainly by women (frequently left wing) who will not be told to “shut up”.
    Wow. I never realised women have rights too. Thanks for telling me, Carlotta (/sarcasm mode).

    Read the tweet you posted. It is part of a constant drip-drip of poison that trans people are a threat. The tweet connects, to anyone reading it, trans people and negative traits.

    Some questions: how many trans people cross-dress for erotic purposes? All? Some? None? If they do, is giving them access to "women's spaces" (i.e. loos) fulfilling these dark "erotic purposes"? What about trans people who just want to have a pee without being hassled or beaten up when they go into the 'wrong' toilet? What even are "erotic purposes"?

    The tweet below about Arizona shows the direction we're heading in, if we're not careful.
    Where does the Tweet do that? It doesn't even mention trans people, I will highlight the word it does use.

    A legal expert has warned Scotland’s controversial gender laws will provide men “who cross-dress for erotic purposes” with a “magic certificate” to access women’s spaces.

    (Snip)
    'cross-dressers' is another term for transvestites.

    "Today, the term transvestite is commonly considered outdated and derogatory, with the term cross-dresser used as a more appropriate replacement." (1)

    So yes, the tweet is referring to trans people; just men who dress up as women; not women as men.

    (1): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transvestism
    But she didn’t say “transvestites” - you put those words in her mouth.

    I suggest you look up “autogynephilia”.
    That's an interesting quote. I've always thought a typical cross dresser was a bearded estate agent named Kenneth who occasionally had the urge to put on a frock, but wasn't seriously disguising himself as a woman, whereas a transvestite (which I know etymologically is the same word) was a more thorough disguise, to go out and socialise, perhaps staying as the opposite gender for extended periods.
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,994
    Pro_Rata said:

    It's been little noted that the debate about 'trans' prisoners, a number of whom clearly do represent a threat if handled badly, is taking place under current legislation and indeed instances of sexual assault f at women's prisons from trans M->F prisoners have taken
    place in England.

    It does suggest that this particular safety issue, if not fully orthogonal, is at least off at an angle to self ID, and there is the possibility to disentangle making life easier for trans people and not giving free rein to a non trivial minority who would look to abuse that ease.

    An excellent point. It would seem consistent with the point that some of the problem in Scotland arises from HMG's own unwillingness to change retained legislation.
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    Pro_Rata said:

    It's been little noted that the debate about 'trans' prisoners, a number of whom clearly do represent a threat if handled badly, is taking place under current legislation and indeed instances of sexual assault f at women's prisons from trans M->F prisoners have taken
    place in England.

    It does suggest that this particular safety issue, if not fully orthogonal, is at least off at an angle to self ID, and there is the possibility to disentangle making life easier for trans people and not giving free rein to a non trivial minority who would look to abuse that ease.

    It is not particularly hard to see what is going on here.
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    So I tried to send a parcel to Germany. Post office not accepting ANY international parcels “For Foreseeable Future “ FFs everything seems to be breaking down. Feel so bad for small businesses relying on this service.

    https://twitter.com/fayripley/status/1620330269843804160?s=46&t=nnLXq5Z07DBdk24m3S9O2w

    This has been ongoing for the last 2 weeks. There was a cyberattack on the Royal Mail which stopped all international postage and they have been bringing it back online slowly. I send stuff overseas regularly and have had to tell all my customers that there are delays and I will update them as soon as things are moving again.

    Letters are now okay but they are clearing the backlog of parcels and asked no one to add to it for a few days until they are clear.
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    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Just a point:

    Trans people are people. They deserve as much respect and compassion as everyone else in our society. This constant "They're a threat!" shittiness that goes on on here is really, really dangerous.

    Women are people too and have rights too.

    You might note that the concern is not with trans people but with men who will abuse poorly drafted law. The attacks on critics of this law frequently resort to blanket claims of “transphobia” because their initial attempt to get it through with “no debate” has been ignored, mainly by women (frequently left wing) who will not be told to “shut up”.
    Wow. I never realised women have rights too. Thanks for telling me, Carlotta (/sarcasm mode).

    Read the tweet you posted. It is part of a constant drip-drip of poison that trans people are a threat. The tweet connects, to anyone reading it, trans people and negative traits.

    Some questions: how many trans people cross-dress for erotic purposes? All? Some? None? If they do, is giving them access to "women's spaces" (i.e. loos) fulfilling these dark "erotic purposes"? What about trans people who just want to have a pee without being hassled or beaten up when they go into the 'wrong' toilet? What even are "erotic purposes"?

    The tweet below about Arizona shows the direction we're heading in, if we're not careful.
    Trans people are entitled to dignity, respect and consideration. There is no evidence that as a group they are any more prone to crime than the rest of society.
    But the rights they want can be abused by predatory men seeking access to women only spaces. We need safeguards to ensure that does not happen. The GRR bill has no such safeguards. That is what needs addressed.
    The safeguards may require modifications of the Equality Act which is ambiguous because it does not distinguish between sex and gender. That is what people should be focusing on. The political game playing around this threatens the reputation and safety of those the proponents say they want to protect.
    Let's take an example case. Someone was born as Michael, and aged 25 transitions to be called Mary. She starts a relationship, and 30 years later she realises she is in a abusive relationship that she needs to get out of.

    She has spent over half her life as a woman; many of her acquaintances do not know she was born male, the rest don't care.

    Should she be able to access a women's refuge?
    If he is a functioning male, despite living as a women all those years, the answer should be no. The rights and needs of the other users would override his/hers. If he is no longer a functioning male I think it is harder to justify exclusion but I recognise that some deeply traumatised women simply cannot bear a male in their proximity and their needs must be respected too.
    That’s very much in line with public opinion on the matter when it comes to prison policy:

    It makes more of a difference to Britons’ views whether or not a prisoner has had ‘full’ gender reassignment surgery than what kind of crime they committed

    Following the furore over Isla Bryson, a transgender woman in Scotland who was remanded to a woman’s prison after being convicted of rape prior to her gender transition, the Scottish government has announced a “pause” on transgender prisoners with a history of violence against women being placed in female jails in Scotland.

    In cases like Bryson’s – that of a transgender woman who has not undergone ‘full’ gender reassignment surgery*, and who has been convicted of rape or sexual assault – a majority of Britons (59%) say the offender should serve their time in a men’s prison. Only 15% think they should go to a women’s prison, with 27% unsure.




    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2023/01/31/should-transgender-women-offenders-be-sent-mens-or

    There is little data on the subject, but what there is suggests ca.90%+ of trans women retain male genitalia.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,453

    carnforth said:



    Behold, movement. (the Times)

    Good news, and two things to note: both sides have moved, despite how it will be spun in the coming days, and this could have been agreed years ago.

    Also, the DUP will almost certainly vote against it and a chunk of the ERG too - the question is, how many?
    The problem is, if the DUP won't agree to it, then unless the UUP can sell it to Unionist voters and do the unlikely thing of supplanting the DUP by taking a more moderate position, then it's somewhat pointless.

    Unionist politicians have to be willing and able to sell any agreement to their voters.
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    Carnyx said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Demise of the Scottish independence movement story No. 832,017
    Nice of him to remind us (again) about Tory satraps imposing the poll tax on Scotland unnecessarily, after a revaluation, too.
    Indeed. You’d have thought the “Scottish” Tories might prefer not to remind people of their poll tax debacle.
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,053
    Carnyx said:
    Standard practice these days! HMS Forth came new from the shipyard with glued on bolt heads disguising snapped fasteners.

    Extracting snapped bolts of a significant size is very time consuming whether you're drilling out for an extractor or arsing around welding nuts on the end. It recently took me four hours to get one snapped M6x50 out of the LHS head of my R8. (Multiple attempts at the welded nut technique.)
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,133
    ydoethur said:

    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:
    How many knifings though
    First off - the knife crime stats the Daily Mail bleats about include every time the police catch someone carrying a blade.
    Serious question , are they on downward trend as well. Not long ago there was mass hysteria about them in eth papers most days.
    Nah, the Daily Mail's always been this rubbish.
    I would never take anything that rag says as real or serious
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    carnforth said:



    Behold, movement. (the Times)

    Good news, and two things to note: both sides have moved, despite how it will be spun in the coming days, and this could have been agreed years ago.

    Also, the DUP will almost certainly vote against it and a chunk of the ERG too - the question is, how many?
    The problem is, if the DUP won't agree to it, then unless the UUP can sell it to Unionist voters and do the unlikely thing of supplanting the DUP by taking a more moderate position, then it's somewhat pointless.

    Unionist politicians have to be willing and able to sell any agreement to their voters.
    The DUP currently attracts approximately 24% of the vote in N Ireland. How does that entitle them to a veto?
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,133

    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:
    How many knifings though
    69 knife-related killings the report says. Down 17%.
    Thanks , A lot still but at least going in right direction.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,863

    On topic, the most famous Congressman with the surname Santos went on to become President of the United States with a CV less distinguished than George Santos, just saying.

    One fictional character inspiring another.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187
    edited February 2023

    carnforth said:



    Behold, movement. (the Times)

    Good news, and two things to note: both sides have moved, despite how it will be spun in the coming days, and this could have been agreed years ago.

    Also, the DUP will almost certainly vote against it and a chunk of the ERG too - the question is, how many?
    The problem is, if the DUP won't agree to it, then unless the UUP can sell it to Unionist voters and do the unlikely thing of supplanting the DUP by taking a more moderate position, then it's somewhat pointless.

    Unionist politicians have to be willing and able to sell any agreement to their voters.
    As I said earlier the DUP will likely abstain given removing the Irish Sea border is now their main goal.

    The ERG will still vote against though as their main goal is not restoring any EU regulations.

    The main question therefore is how many. As most of the Opposition parties will vote against the government (on the basis Sunak has not aligned close enough) then he can only afford 40 to 45 ERG defections even if the DUP abstain
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,867
    edited February 2023
    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Just a point:

    Trans people are people. They deserve as much respect and compassion as everyone else in our society. This constant "They're a threat!" shittiness that goes on on here is really, really dangerous.

    Women are people too and have rights too.

    You might note that the concern is not with trans people but with men who will abuse poorly drafted law. The attacks on critics of this law frequently resort to blanket claims of “transphobia” because their initial attempt to get it through with “no debate” has been ignored, mainly by women (frequently left wing) who will not be told to “shut up”.
    Wow. I never realised women have rights too. Thanks for telling me, Carlotta (/sarcasm mode).

    Read the tweet you posted. It is part of a constant drip-drip of poison that trans people are a threat. The tweet connects, to anyone reading it, trans people and negative traits.

    Some questions: how many trans people cross-dress for erotic purposes? All? Some? None? If they do, is giving them access to "women's spaces" (i.e. loos) fulfilling these dark "erotic purposes"? What about trans people who just want to have a pee without being hassled or beaten up when they go into the 'wrong' toilet? What even are "erotic purposes"?

    The tweet below about Arizona shows the direction we're heading in, if we're not careful.
    Trans people are entitled to dignity, respect and consideration. There is no evidence that as a group they are any more prone to crime than the rest of society.
    But the rights they want can be abused by predatory men seeking access to women only spaces. We need safeguards to ensure that does not happen. The GRR bill has no such safeguards. That is what needs addressed.
    The safeguards may require modifications of the Equality Act which is ambiguous because it does not distinguish between sex and gender. That is what people should be focusing on. The political game playing around this threatens the reputation and safety of those the proponents say they want to protect.
    Let's take an example case. Someone was born as Michael, and aged 25 transitions to be called Mary. She starts a relationship, and 30 years later she realises she is in a abusive relationship that she needs to get out of.

    She has spent over half her life as a woman; many of her acquaintances do not know she was born male, the rest don't care.

    Should she be able to access a women's refuge?
    If he is a functioning male, despite living as a women all those years, the answer should be no. The rights and needs of the other users would override his/hers. If he is no longer a functioning male I think it is harder to justify exclusion but I recognise that some deeply traumatised women simply cannot bear a male in their proximity and their needs must be respected too.
    I take your point but wouldn't it be more respectful to refer to Mary as she? Referring to her as he seems to indicate your bias against trans people.

    Given she has transitioned I would assume she is no longer a functioning male. Maybe I am misunderstanding the definition of 'transition' here? (IANAE)
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    So I tried to send a parcel to Germany. Post office not accepting ANY international parcels “For Foreseeable Future “ FFs everything seems to be breaking down. Feel so bad for small businesses relying on this service.

    https://twitter.com/fayripley/status/1620330269843804160?s=46&t=nnLXq5Z07DBdk24m3S9O2w

    This has been ongoing for the last 2 weeks. There was a cyberattack on the Royal Mail which stopped all international postage and they have been bringing it back online slowly. I send stuff overseas regularly and have had to tell all my customers that there are delays and I will update them as soon as things are moving again.

    Letters are now okay but they are clearing the backlog of parcels and asked no one to add to it for a few days until they are clear.
    Phew! That’s a relief! Nothing to do with Brexit then. Never is of course…
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,863
    Dura_Ace said:

    Carnyx said:
    Standard practice these days! HMS Forth came new from the shipyard with glued on bolt heads disguising snapped fasteners.

    Extracting snapped bolts of a significant size is very time consuming whether you're drilling out for an extractor or arsing around welding nuts on the end. It recently took me four hours to get one snapped M6x50 out of the LHS head of my R8. (Multiple attempts at the welded nut technique.)
    Slightly scary, though, to think you take more care of your hoon-mobiles than the RN might be doing of its boomers.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,453

    IanB2 said:

    carnforth said:



    Behold, movement. (the Times)

    Good news, and two things to note: both sides have moved, despite how it will be spun in the coming days, and this could have been agreed years ago.

    Also, the DUP will almost certainly vote against it and a chunk of the ERG too - the question is, how many?
    The Times understands that the customs element of the deal had been due to be announced in January but was pulled at the last minute. One source suggested that Brussels had feared Rishi Sunak could not sell the complete package to the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) and Brexiteers in his own party....

    ...Sunak is also nervous about reaction to the compromise among Brexit-supporting MPs and in particular any intervention by Boris Johnson, who agreed to the original protocol with the EU.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-and-eu-set-for-northern-ireland-brexit-deal-tj9v9bgzw
    Great, so we have a compromise that Sunak cannot sell to his nutters.
    I'm hoping Starmer supports the deal, that will bypass the ERG and DUPers, and enrage them which is always a bonus.
    Briefly satisfying, but self-defeating when the DUP refuse to join an NI Executive and NI remains in limbo without a government.
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    Hubristic prediction:

    When there is a Protocol deal in late March, the DUP will reject it.

    The negotiators will rush back to the table, come back with some minor tweaks that DUP will accept, claim as a victory, & agree return to Stormont before Apr 10.

    Just a hunch.

    https://twitter.com/JamesCrisp6/status/1620709037859024896
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    Dura_Ace said:

    Carnyx said:
    Standard practice these days! HMS Forth came new from the shipyard with glued on bolt heads disguising snapped fasteners.

    Extracting snapped bolts of a significant size is very time consuming whether you're drilling out for an extractor or arsing around welding nuts on the end. It recently took me four hours to get one snapped M6x50 out of the LHS head of my R8. (Multiple attempts at the welded nut technique.)
    BAE Systems = classic Rip-off Britain

    Instead of suing the fuckers I assume the Tories just gave them a few peerages?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,863
    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nikki Haley poised to enter 2024 presidential race
    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/31/nikki-haley-2024-presidential-race-00080575
    ...Haley declared in 2021 that she wouldn’t run for president if Trump did. But Haley telegraphed her change of plans in an interview with Fox News earlier this month, saying, “It’s bigger than one person. And when you’re looking at the future of America, I think it’s time for new generational change. I don’t think you need to be 80 years old to go be a leader in D.C.”..

    The Jon Huntsman of the 2024 GOP primaries, looks good for the general election on paper, has zero chance of winning the GOP nomination in reality
    A nonsensical comparison, but in any event, we will see.
    More chance than Pence, anyway.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,867
    Dura_Ace said:

    Carnyx said:
    Standard practice these days! HMS Forth came new from the shipyard with glued on bolt heads disguising snapped fasteners.

    Extracting snapped bolts of a significant size is very time consuming whether you're drilling out for an extractor or arsing around welding nuts on the end. It recently took me four hours to get one snapped M6x50 out of the LHS head of my R8. (Multiple attempts at the welded nut technique.)
    Suggests it's time to brush up on your TIG welding Dura ;-)
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187

    IanB2 said:

    carnforth said:



    Behold, movement. (the Times)

    Good news, and two things to note: both sides have moved, despite how it will be spun in the coming days, and this could have been agreed years ago.

    Also, the DUP will almost certainly vote against it and a chunk of the ERG too - the question is, how many?
    The Times understands that the customs element of the deal had been due to be announced in January but was pulled at the last minute. One source suggested that Brussels had feared Rishi Sunak could not sell the complete package to the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) and Brexiteers in his own party....

    ...Sunak is also nervous about reaction to the compromise among Brexit-supporting MPs and in particular any intervention by Boris Johnson, who agreed to the original protocol with the EU.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-and-eu-set-for-northern-ireland-brexit-deal-tj9v9bgzw
    Great, so we have a compromise that Sunak cannot sell to his nutters.
    I'm hoping Starmer supports the deal, that will bypass the ERG and DUPers, and enrage them which is always a bonus.
    Briefly satisfying, but self-defeating when the DUP refuse to join an NI Executive and NI remains in limbo without a government.
    If the Irish Sea border is removed no reason why the DUP won't rejoin the NI government. As I said they will abstain.

    Starmer however will almost certainly vote against and hope to defeat the government with ERG rebels
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    IanB2 said:

    carnforth said:



    Behold, movement. (the Times)

    Good news, and two things to note: both sides have moved, despite how it will be spun in the coming days, and this could have been agreed years ago.

    Also, the DUP will almost certainly vote against it and a chunk of the ERG too - the question is, how many?
    The Times understands that the customs element of the deal had been due to be announced in January but was pulled at the last minute. One source suggested that Brussels had feared Rishi Sunak could not sell the complete package to the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) and Brexiteers in his own party....

    ...Sunak is also nervous about reaction to the compromise among Brexit-supporting MPs and in particular any intervention by Boris Johnson, who agreed to the original protocol with the EU.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-and-eu-set-for-northern-ireland-brexit-deal-tj9v9bgzw
    Great, so we have a compromise that Sunak cannot sell to his nutters.
    I'm hoping Starmer supports the deal, that will bypass the ERG and DUPers, and enrage them which is always a bonus.
    Briefly satisfying, but self-defeating when the DUP refuse to join an NI Executive and NI remains in limbo without a government.
    If N Ireland is a democracy (big if) then the electorate will eventually sort out that problem.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,133

    malcolmg said:

    Just a point:

    Trans people are people. They deserve as much respect and compassion as everyone else in our society. This constant "They're a threat!" shittiness that goes on on here is really, really dangerous.

    Women are people too and have rights too.

    You might note that the concern is not with trans people but with men who will abuse poorly drafted law. The attacks on critics of this law frequently resort to blanket claims of “transphobia” because their initial attempt to get it through with “no debate” has been ignored, mainly by women (frequently left wing) who will not be told to “shut up”.
    Wow. I never realised women have rights too. Thanks for telling me, Carlotta (/sarcasm mode).

    Read the tweet you posted. It is part of a constant drip-drip of poison that trans people are a threat. The tweet connects, to anyone reading it, trans people and negative traits.

    Some questions: how many trans people cross-dress for erotic purposes? All? Some? None? If they do, is giving them access to "women's spaces" (i.e. loos) fulfilling these dark "erotic purposes"? What about trans people who just want to have a pee without being hassled or beaten up when they go into the 'wrong' toilet? What even are "erotic purposes"?

    The tweet below about Arizona shows the direction we're heading in, if we're not careful.
    You seem desperate , like teh Scottish government, to totally miss the point that people are objecting to MEN gaining access to women's safe places. All this crap about trans people getting beaten up when they go for a piss is unsubstantiated mince. There are nearly always facilities such as unisex disabled toilets that can be used, etc.
    You seem desperate to trash the rights of 50% of the population just on the whim of a few cross dressers , about 0.04% of population and 95% still have their block and tackle.
    "trash the rights"

    No, I'm not trying to 'trash the rights' of anyone. I'm trying to wind my way through a very messy topic and come up with what I think is the best solution in good faith.

    And BTW, I'm glad I live in a society where the rights of a minority of law-abiding citizens - whether that minority is 1%, 0.1%, 0.01% or 0.001% - are protected by the majority.

    Also BTW, the figure is higher than that -at least 0.5% (exc. Scotland)
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/ons-trans-gender-data-uk-b2257199.html
    You do not give special rights to a tiny minority by trashing the rights of 50% of the population. Can be no justification.
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    ydoethurydoethur Posts: 67,472

    The politics of the teacher strike has been interesting this morning.
    Gillian Keegan on @TimesRadio was very measured, pointed out that most teachers are reasonably well paid and gently disputed the idea that loads are using food banks….

    Now the NEU rep on to explain why they are striking is instead going on about the number of food banks, child hunger and austerity.
    Important issues but this is a pay dispute not an anti-Tory protest. Isn’t it?

    Also, I asked Kevin Courtney, joint general secretary of the National Education Union, if NEU staff had been given a 12% pay rise this year (which is what they are asking the government for).

    He said no. Because they couldn't afford it.


    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1620700343419150336

    I agree with her. No teachers should be using food banks.

    But:

    Here is a thought for all of them and you to ponder.

    I have just done my accounts for January and projections for February. This month, working one-third of the hours, at times I can negotiate with my pupils, and 50% from my own home, I will earn one hundred pounds less than I did as a Head of Faculty in an outstanding school working 60 hour weeks across six days a week.

    If I worked 50 hours a week tutoring, I would be earning around 50% more than I did in a school.

    Ok, I don't get pension with that. And I work through the holidays now as well. But there is a fundamental mismatch between what the market will provide and what the government is paying.

    So either change the expectations - or change the salaries.

    It's not really that hard. Unless you're stupid.

    Ah....
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,863

    Carnyx said:
    I wonder if they’d repair nuclear ships with glue if they were based in London?
    Probably.
    The tradition of shoddy workmanship does not recognise the Scottish border.
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    IanB2 said:

    carnforth said:



    Behold, movement. (the Times)

    Good news, and two things to note: both sides have moved, despite how it will be spun in the coming days, and this could have been agreed years ago.

    Also, the DUP will almost certainly vote against it and a chunk of the ERG too - the question is, how many?
    The Times understands that the customs element of the deal had been due to be announced in January but was pulled at the last minute. One source suggested that Brussels had feared Rishi Sunak could not sell the complete package to the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) and Brexiteers in his own party....

    ...Sunak is also nervous about reaction to the compromise among Brexit-supporting MPs and in particular any intervention by Boris Johnson, who agreed to the original protocol with the EU.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-and-eu-set-for-northern-ireland-brexit-deal-tj9v9bgzw
    Great, so we have a compromise that Sunak cannot sell to his nutters.
    I'm hoping Starmer supports the deal, that will bypass the ERG and DUPers, and enrage them which is always a bonus.
    Briefly satisfying, but self-defeating when the DUP refuse to join an NI Executive and NI remains in limbo without a government.
    Make me Viceroy of Northern Ireland and I’ll put the hammer on the DUP in the way Roy Mason did to the IRA.
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,133

    Carnyx said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Demise of the Scottish independence movement story No. 832,017
    Nice of him to remind us (again) about Tory satraps imposing the poll tax on Scotland unnecessarily, after a revaluation, too.
    Indeed. You’d have thought the “Scottish” Tories might prefer not to remind people of their poll tax debacle.
    Murdo is a sandwich short of a picnic though.
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    DriverDriver Posts: 4,522

    carnforth said:



    Behold, movement. (the Times)

    Good news, and two things to note: both sides have moved, despite how it will be spun in the coming days, and this could have been agreed years ago.

    Also, the DUP will almost certainly vote against it and a chunk of the ERG too - the question is, how many?
    The problem is, if the DUP won't agree to it, then unless the UUP can sell it to Unionist voters and do the unlikely thing of supplanting the DUP by taking a more moderate position, then it's somewhat pointless.

    Unionist politicians have to be willing and able to sell any agreement to their voters.
    The DUP currently attracts approximately 24% of the vote in N Ireland. How does that entitle them to a veto?
    The Good Friday Agreement, which makes share of the overall vote far less important than share of the Unionist vote.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187
    Nigelb said:

    HYUFD said:

    Nigelb said:

    Nikki Haley poised to enter 2024 presidential race
    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/31/nikki-haley-2024-presidential-race-00080575
    ...Haley declared in 2021 that she wouldn’t run for president if Trump did. But Haley telegraphed her change of plans in an interview with Fox News earlier this month, saying, “It’s bigger than one person. And when you’re looking at the future of America, I think it’s time for new generational change. I don’t think you need to be 80 years old to go be a leader in D.C.”..

    The Jon Huntsman of the 2024 GOP primaries, looks good for the general election on paper, has zero chance of winning the GOP nomination in reality
    A nonsensical comparison, but in any event, we will see.
    More chance than Pence, anyway.
    No Pence has more chance, he can win evangelicals, Haley won't win evangelicals or Trumpites
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    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Just a point:

    Trans people are people. They deserve as much respect and compassion as everyone else in our society. This constant "They're a threat!" shittiness that goes on on here is really, really dangerous.

    Women are people too and have rights too.

    You might note that the concern is not with trans people but with men who will abuse poorly drafted law. The attacks on critics of this law frequently resort to blanket claims of “transphobia” because their initial attempt to get it through with “no debate” has been ignored, mainly by women (frequently left wing) who will not be told to “shut up”.
    Wow. I never realised women have rights too. Thanks for telling me, Carlotta (/sarcasm mode).

    Read the tweet you posted. It is part of a constant drip-drip of poison that trans people are a threat. The tweet connects, to anyone reading it, trans people and negative traits.

    Some questions: how many trans people cross-dress for erotic purposes? All? Some? None? If they do, is giving them access to "women's spaces" (i.e. loos) fulfilling these dark "erotic purposes"? What about trans people who just want to have a pee without being hassled or beaten up when they go into the 'wrong' toilet? What even are "erotic purposes"?

    The tweet below about Arizona shows the direction we're heading in, if we're not careful.
    Trans people are entitled to dignity, respect and consideration. There is no evidence that as a group they are any more prone to crime than the rest of society.
    But the rights they want can be abused by predatory men seeking access to women only spaces. We need safeguards to ensure that does not happen. The GRR bill has no such safeguards. That is what needs addressed.
    The safeguards may require modifications of the Equality Act which is ambiguous because it does not distinguish between sex and gender. That is what people should be focusing on. The political game playing around this threatens the reputation and safety of those the proponents say they want to protect.
    Let's take an example case. Someone was born as Michael, and aged 25 transitions to be called Mary. She starts a relationship, and 30 years later she realises she is in a abusive relationship that she needs to get out of.

    She has spent over half her life as a woman; many of her acquaintances do not know she was born male, the rest don't care.

    Should she be able to access a women's refuge?
    If he is a functioning male, despite living as a women all those years, the answer should be no. The rights and needs of the other users would override his/hers. If he is no longer a functioning male I think it is harder to justify exclusion but I recognise that some deeply traumatised women simply cannot bear a male in their proximity and their needs must be respected too.
    Given she has transitioned I would assume she is no longer a functioning male. Maybe I am misunderstanding the definition of 'transition' here? (IANAE)
    Define “functioning”. A common misconception is that trans women have had genital surgery. The limited data we have suggests the overwhelming majority have not.
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    So I tried to send a parcel to Germany. Post office not accepting ANY international parcels “For Foreseeable Future “ FFs everything seems to be breaking down. Feel so bad for small businesses relying on this service.

    https://twitter.com/fayripley/status/1620330269843804160?s=46&t=nnLXq5Z07DBdk24m3S9O2w

    This has been ongoing for the last 2 weeks. There was a cyberattack on the Royal Mail which stopped all international postage and they have been bringing it back online slowly. I send stuff overseas regularly and have had to tell all my customers that there are delays and I will update them as soon as things are moving again.

    Letters are now okay but they are clearing the backlog of parcels and asked no one to add to it for a few days until they are clear.
    Phew! That’s a relief! Nothing to do with Brexit then. Never is of course…
    You really are a monomaniac aren't you. Neither the original tweet you posted nor my reply mentioned Brexit at all. This is (was) a cyber attack. It is all over the news and has been mentioned on here several times over the last couple of weeks. Not everything in the world has to be about your own personal obsession.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187
    edited February 2023
    ydoethur said:

    The politics of the teacher strike has been interesting this morning.
    Gillian Keegan on @TimesRadio was very measured, pointed out that most teachers are reasonably well paid and gently disputed the idea that loads are using food banks….

    Now the NEU rep on to explain why they are striking is instead going on about the number of food banks, child hunger and austerity.
    Important issues but this is a pay dispute not an anti-Tory protest. Isn’t it?

    Also, I asked Kevin Courtney, joint general secretary of the National Education Union, if NEU staff had been given a 12% pay rise this year (which is what they are asking the government for).

    He said no. Because they couldn't afford it.


    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1620700343419150336

    I agree with her. No teachers should be using food banks.

    But:

    Here is a thought for all of them and you to ponder.

    I have just done my accounts for January and projections for February. This month, working one-third of the hours, at times I can negotiate with my pupils, and 50% from my own home, I will earn one hundred pounds less than I did as a Head of Faculty in an outstanding school working 60 hour weeks across six days a week.

    If I worked 50 hours a week tutoring, I would be earning around 50% more than I did in a school.

    Ok, I don't get pension with that. And I work through the holidays now as well. But there is a fundamental mismatch between what the market will provide and what the government is paying.

    So either change the expectations - or change the salaries.

    It's not really that hard. Unless you're stupid.

    Ah....
    Average teacher salary is now £38k in England, £39k in Wales and £40k in Scotland.

    Clearly above the average salary in each of those nations.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/education-64431992
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,863

    Just a point:

    Trans people are people. They deserve as much respect and compassion as everyone else in our society. This constant "They're a threat!" shittiness that goes on on here is really, really dangerous.

    Women are people too and have rights too.

    You might note that the concern is not with trans people but with men who will abuse poorly drafted law. The attacks on critics of this law frequently resort to blanket claims of “transphobia” because their initial attempt to get it through with “no debate” has been ignored, mainly by women (frequently left wing) who will not be told to “shut up”.
    Wow. I never realised women have rights too. Thanks for telling me, Carlotta (/sarcasm mode).

    Read the tweet you posted. It is part of a constant drip-drip of poison that trans people are a threat. The tweet connects, to anyone reading it, trans people and negative traits.

    Some questions: how many trans people cross-dress for erotic purposes? All? Some? None? If they do, is giving them access to "women's spaces" (i.e. loos) fulfilling these dark "erotic purposes"? What about trans people who just want to have a pee without being hassled or beaten up when they go into the 'wrong' toilet? What even are "erotic purposes"?

    The tweet below about Arizona shows the direction we're heading in, if we're not careful.
    Where does the Tweet do that? It doesn't even mention trans people, I will highlight the word it does use.

    A legal expert has warned Scotland’s controversial gender laws will provide men “who cross-dress for erotic purposes” with a “magic certificate” to access women’s spaces.

    (Snip)
    'cross-dressers' is another term for transvestites.

    "Today, the term transvestite is commonly considered outdated and derogatory, with the term cross-dresser used as a more appropriate replacement." (1)

    So yes, the tweet is referring to trans people; just men who dress up as women; not women as men.

    (1): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transvestism
    Anyone with a rudimentary knowledge of Latin will realise that the terms are pretty well identical.
    'Transvestite' carries more negative baggage simply because it was coined in the 1920s.
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    malcolmg said:

    Carnyx said:

    Scott_xP said:
    Demise of the Scottish independence movement story No. 832,017
    Nice of him to remind us (again) about Tory satraps imposing the poll tax on Scotland unnecessarily, after a revaluation, too.
    Indeed. You’d have thought the “Scottish” Tories might prefer not to remind people of their poll tax debacle.
    Murdo is a sandwich short of a picnic though.
    Only ever met him once. We happened to be canvassing the same village (in Angus I think) outwith any particular election period, so low-key, routine stuff. I tried to engage him in polite discourse, but he was a jumpy sort. I got the impression he was nervous/stressed/agitated. Not a good characteristic in a politician.
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    Dura_AceDura_Ace Posts: 13,053

    Dura_Ace said:

    Carnyx said:
    Standard practice these days! HMS Forth came new from the shipyard with glued on bolt heads disguising snapped fasteners.

    Extracting snapped bolts of a significant size is very time consuming whether you're drilling out for an extractor or arsing around welding nuts on the end. It recently took me four hours to get one snapped M6x50 out of the LHS head of my R8. (Multiple attempts at the welded nut technique.)
    Suggests it's time to brush up on your TIG welding Dura ;-)
    I TIG 99% of the time but access was a real problem so I couldn't get the stick and the gun in there until I gave up, loosened the engine mounts and lifted up the engine by about 200mm.
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    malcolmg said:

    malcolmg said:

    Andy_JS said:
    How many knifings though
    69 knife-related killings the report says. Down 17%.
    Thanks , A lot still but at least going in right direction.
    Yeah still too high but heading downwards. For a city the size of London I think the numbers are quite low. London is a pretty safe place as far as violent crime goes. Theft is a problem though, my wife had her phone stolen from a restaurant in central London last week.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,638
    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:
    I wonder if they’d repair nuclear ships with glue if they were based in London?
    Probably.
    The tradition of shoddy workmanship does not recognise the Scottish border.
    I had the privilege of working with the Norwegian tanker captain who tested some of the last tankers built in U.K. yards.

    He failed one on its first voyage, which resulted in an altercation where he was physically threatened. He then literally threw the guy in question off the bridge.
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    FairlieredFairliered Posts: 4,026

    Scott_xP said:
    Demise of the Scottish independence movement story No. 832,017
    No, it’s no. 832,018. You’ve missed one. Do keep up!
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    So I tried to send a parcel to Germany. Post office not accepting ANY international parcels “For Foreseeable Future “ FFs everything seems to be breaking down. Feel so bad for small businesses relying on this service.

    https://twitter.com/fayripley/status/1620330269843804160?s=46&t=nnLXq5Z07DBdk24m3S9O2w

    This has been ongoing for the last 2 weeks. There was a cyberattack on the Royal Mail which stopped all international postage and they have been bringing it back online slowly. I send stuff overseas regularly and have had to tell all my customers that there are delays and I will update them as soon as things are moving again.

    Letters are now okay but they are clearing the backlog of parcels and asked no one to add to it for a few days until they are clear.
    Phew! That’s a relief! Nothing to do with Brexit then. Never is of course…
    You really are a monomaniac aren't you. Neither the original tweet you posted nor my reply mentioned Brexit at all. This is (was) a cyber attack. It is all over the news and has been mentioned on here several times over the last couple of weeks. Not everything in the world has to be about your own personal obsession.
    As I said, it’s never about Brexit.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/brexit-was-a-mistake-poll_uk_63d7e898e4b01e92886c334e/

    The BBC Today debate last night was absolutely hilarious. Rees Mogg is an absolute gift to pro-Europeans.
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    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    The politics of the teacher strike has been interesting this morning.
    Gillian Keegan on @TimesRadio was very measured, pointed out that most teachers are reasonably well paid and gently disputed the idea that loads are using food banks….

    Now the NEU rep on to explain why they are striking is instead going on about the number of food banks, child hunger and austerity.
    Important issues but this is a pay dispute not an anti-Tory protest. Isn’t it?

    Also, I asked Kevin Courtney, joint general secretary of the National Education Union, if NEU staff had been given a 12% pay rise this year (which is what they are asking the government for).

    He said no. Because they couldn't afford it.


    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1620700343419150336

    I agree with her. No teachers should be using food banks.

    But:

    Here is a thought for all of them and you to ponder.

    I have just done my accounts for January and projections for February. This month, working one-third of the hours, at times I can negotiate with my pupils, and 50% from my own home, I will earn one hundred pounds less than I did as a Head of Faculty in an outstanding school working 60 hour weeks across six days a week.

    If I worked 50 hours a week tutoring, I would be earning around 50% more than I did in a school.

    Ok, I don't get pension with that. And I work through the holidays now as well. But there is a fundamental mismatch between what the market will provide and what the government is paying.

    So either change the expectations - or change the salaries.

    It's not really that hard. Unless you're stupid.

    Ah....
    Average teacher salary is now £38k in England, £39k in Wales and £40k in Scotland.

    Clearly above the median salary in each of those nations.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/education-64431992
    Yes.

    So?

    Don't we want teachers from the bit of the talent range where they can command above-median salaries?

    And isn't denying market signals (like the number of good jobs in good schools that don't get applicants) by talk of fairness and comparability the sort of thing that was tried and seen to fail in the 1970s?
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,863
    ydoethur said:

    The politics of the teacher strike has been interesting this morning.
    Gillian Keegan on @TimesRadio was very measured, pointed out that most teachers are reasonably well paid and gently disputed the idea that loads are using food banks….

    Now the NEU rep on to explain why they are striking is instead going on about the number of food banks, child hunger and austerity.
    Important issues but this is a pay dispute not an anti-Tory protest. Isn’t it?

    Also, I asked Kevin Courtney, joint general secretary of the National Education Union, if NEU staff had been given a 12% pay rise this year (which is what they are asking the government for).

    He said no. Because they couldn't afford it.


    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1620700343419150336

    I agree with her. No teachers should be using food banks.

    But:

    Here is a thought for all of them and you to ponder.

    I have just done my accounts for January and projections for February. This month, working one-third of the hours, at times I can negotiate with my pupils, and 50% from my own home, I will earn one hundred pounds less than I did as a Head of Faculty in an outstanding school working 60 hour weeks across six days a week.

    If I worked 50 hours a week tutoring, I would be earning around 50% more than I did in a school.

    Ok, I don't get pension with that. And I work through the holidays now as well. But there is a fundamental mismatch between what the market will provide and what the government is paying.

    So either change the expectations - or change the salaries.

    It's not really that hard. Unless you're stupid.

    Ah....
    There was a revealing interview with an Education minister on Today this morning.
    When it was pointed out that there was a significant space for negotiation between the 5% government offer, and an "inflation busting" pay rise which she protested would be unaffordable, she replied that inflation "was falling anyway", and it was "somewhere around there now".
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    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:
    I wonder if they’d repair nuclear ships with glue if they were based in London?
    Probably.
    The tradition of shoddy workmanship does not recognise the Scottish border.
    I had the privilege of working with the Norwegian tanker captain who tested some of the last tankers built in U.K. yards.

    He failed one on its first voyage, which resulted in an altercation where he was physically threatened. He then literally threw the guy in question off the bridge.
    Gotta love the Norwegians. No-nonsense folk.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,867

    Andy_JS said:
    Knife-enabled homicides (great jargon) have declined to pre-covid levels. From your link:-

    The total number of homicides recorded under Home Office counting rules for 2022 was 109, which was 17% down on 2021, the Met said. Nine homicides were gun enabled in 2022, a 25% fall and the lowest figure since 2014. Sixty-nine homicides were knife enabled, a 17% reduction and equal to the pre-pandemic figure for 2019.
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2023/jan/06/met-police-chief-mark-rowley-london-fantastically-safe-homicide-rate-falls
    I suspect these are all actually 'person enabled'.
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    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    The politics of the teacher strike has been interesting this morning.
    Gillian Keegan on @TimesRadio was very measured, pointed out that most teachers are reasonably well paid and gently disputed the idea that loads are using food banks….

    Now the NEU rep on to explain why they are striking is instead going on about the number of food banks, child hunger and austerity.
    Important issues but this is a pay dispute not an anti-Tory protest. Isn’t it?

    Also, I asked Kevin Courtney, joint general secretary of the National Education Union, if NEU staff had been given a 12% pay rise this year (which is what they are asking the government for).

    He said no. Because they couldn't afford it.


    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1620700343419150336

    I agree with her. No teachers should be using food banks.

    But:

    Here is a thought for all of them and you to ponder.

    I have just done my accounts for January and projections for February. This month, working one-third of the hours, at times I can negotiate with my pupils, and 50% from my own home, I will earn one hundred pounds less than I did as a Head of Faculty in an outstanding school working 60 hour weeks across six days a week.

    If I worked 50 hours a week tutoring, I would be earning around 50% more than I did in a school.

    Ok, I don't get pension with that. And I work through the holidays now as well. But there is a fundamental mismatch between what the market will provide and what the government is paying.

    So either change the expectations - or change the salaries.

    It's not really that hard. Unless you're stupid.

    Ah....
    Average teacher salary is now £38k in England, £39k in Wales and £40k in Scotland.

    Clearly above the average salary in each of those nations.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/education-64431992
    Above the average graduate salary? (you need a degree to teach).
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    CarnyxCarnyx Posts: 39,994
    edited February 2023
    Nigelb said:

    Carnyx said:
    I wonder if they’d repair nuclear ships with glue if they were based in London?
    Probably.
    The tradition of shoddy workmanship does not recognise the Scottish border.
    Eh? Devonian border you mean? I'd be worried if I lived in Guz.

    https://www.babcockinternational.com/case-study/vanguard-class-life-extension-programme/

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    squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,379

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    The politics of the teacher strike has been interesting this morning.
    Gillian Keegan on @TimesRadio was very measured, pointed out that most teachers are reasonably well paid and gently disputed the idea that loads are using food banks….

    Now the NEU rep on to explain why they are striking is instead going on about the number of food banks, child hunger and austerity.
    Important issues but this is a pay dispute not an anti-Tory protest. Isn’t it?

    Also, I asked Kevin Courtney, joint general secretary of the National Education Union, if NEU staff had been given a 12% pay rise this year (which is what they are asking the government for).

    He said no. Because they couldn't afford it.


    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1620700343419150336

    I agree with her. No teachers should be using food banks.

    But:

    Here is a thought for all of them and you to ponder.

    I have just done my accounts for January and projections for February. This month, working one-third of the hours, at times I can negotiate with my pupils, and 50% from my own home, I will earn one hundred pounds less than I did as a Head of Faculty in an outstanding school working 60 hour weeks across six days a week.

    If I worked 50 hours a week tutoring, I would be earning around 50% more than I did in a school.

    Ok, I don't get pension with that. And I work through the holidays now as well. But there is a fundamental mismatch between what the market will provide and what the government is paying.

    So either change the expectations - or change the salaries.

    It's not really that hard. Unless you're stupid.

    Ah....
    Average teacher salary is now £38k in England, £39k in Wales and £40k in Scotland.

    Clearly above the median salary in each of those nations.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/education-64431992
    Yes.

    So?

    Don't we want teachers from the bit of the talent range where they can command above-median salaries?

    And isn't denying market signals (like the number of good jobs in good schools that don't get applicants) by talk of fairness and comparability the sort of thing that was tried and seen to fail in the 1970s?
    And 16 weeks holiday a year too.....
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    Driver said:

    carnforth said:



    Behold, movement. (the Times)

    Good news, and two things to note: both sides have moved, despite how it will be spun in the coming days, and this could have been agreed years ago.

    Also, the DUP will almost certainly vote against it and a chunk of the ERG too - the question is, how many?
    The problem is, if the DUP won't agree to it, then unless the UUP can sell it to Unionist voters and do the unlikely thing of supplanting the DUP by taking a more moderate position, then it's somewhat pointless.

    Unionist politicians have to be willing and able to sell any agreement to their voters.
    The DUP currently attracts approximately 24% of the vote in N Ireland. How does that entitle them to a veto?
    The Good Friday Agreement, which makes share of the overall vote far less important than share of the Unionist vote.
    That’ll be the Good Friday Agreement that Unionists overwhelmingly oppose.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/2023/0128/1352375-northern-ireland-good-friday-agreement-poll/

    Funny how when they start to lose, BritNats just move the goalposts.
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    So I tried to send a parcel to Germany. Post office not accepting ANY international parcels “For Foreseeable Future “ FFs everything seems to be breaking down. Feel so bad for small businesses relying on this service.

    https://twitter.com/fayripley/status/1620330269843804160?s=46&t=nnLXq5Z07DBdk24m3S9O2w

    This has been ongoing for the last 2 weeks. There was a cyberattack on the Royal Mail which stopped all international postage and they have been bringing it back online slowly. I send stuff overseas regularly and have had to tell all my customers that there are delays and I will update them as soon as things are moving again.

    Letters are now okay but they are clearing the backlog of parcels and asked no one to add to it for a few days until they are clear.
    Phew! That’s a relief! Nothing to do with Brexit then. Never is of course…
    You really are a monomaniac aren't you. Neither the original tweet you posted nor my reply mentioned Brexit at all. This is (was) a cyber attack. It is all over the news and has been mentioned on here several times over the last couple of weeks. Not everything in the world has to be about your own personal obsession.
    As I said, it’s never about Brexit.

    https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/brexit-was-a-mistake-poll_uk_63d7e898e4b01e92886c334e/

    The BBC Today debate last night was absolutely hilarious. Rees Mogg is an absolute gift to pro-Europeans.
    So another pointless Dickson post completely unrelated to what we were just discussing. Like I said. You are obsessed.
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    HYUFD's point is really horrible if you think about it.

    His point is that teachers should only earn the average salary or below it.

    I ask, why? These people are raising the next generation of bankers, lawyers, software engineers, politicians...

    How can you sit here and say what a teacher should or should not earn? It's exactly the same thing with train drivers, why shouldn't they earn £60K a year? Why should anyone ever earn anything?
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    More or Less explore the claim that more pensioners are living in “millionaire households” than in poverty. This includes the value of your house and your pension. So this could be for example two pensioners with pensions and a home they own or a single pensioner in a £500,000 house with £30k/year pension. These amount to 22% of pensioners have assets over £1million - while those living in relative poverty (income after housing below 60% of median income) amount to 15% - half the level of the late 1990s. Most pensioners fall into neither category.
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    Scott_xP said:
    Demise of the Scottish independence movement story No. 832,017
    No, it’s no. 832,018. You’ve missed one. Do keep up!
    Please forgive my negligence.
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    HYUFD's point is really horrible if you think about it.

    His point is that teachers should only earn the average salary or below it.

    I ask, why? These people are raising the next generation of bankers, lawyers, software engineers, politicians...

    How can you sit here and say what a teacher should or should not earn? It's exactly the same thing with train drivers, why shouldn't they earn £60K a year? Why should anyone ever earn anything?

    Does Starmer support the teachers?
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    DriverDriver Posts: 4,522

    Driver said:

    carnforth said:



    Behold, movement. (the Times)

    Good news, and two things to note: both sides have moved, despite how it will be spun in the coming days, and this could have been agreed years ago.

    Also, the DUP will almost certainly vote against it and a chunk of the ERG too - the question is, how many?
    The problem is, if the DUP won't agree to it, then unless the UUP can sell it to Unionist voters and do the unlikely thing of supplanting the DUP by taking a more moderate position, then it's somewhat pointless.

    Unionist politicians have to be willing and able to sell any agreement to their voters.
    The DUP currently attracts approximately 24% of the vote in N Ireland. How does that entitle them to a veto?
    The Good Friday Agreement, which makes share of the overall vote far less important than share of the Unionist vote.
    That’ll be the Good Friday Agreement that Unionists overwhelmingly oppose.
    It'll be the Good Friday Agreement that Remainers spent years demanding be treated as sacrosanct.
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    HYUFD's point is really horrible if you think about it.

    His point is that teachers should only earn the average salary or below it.

    I ask, why? These people are raising the next generation of bankers, lawyers, software engineers, politicians...

    How can you sit here and say what a teacher should or should not earn? It's exactly the same thing with train drivers, why shouldn't they earn £60K a year? Why should anyone ever earn anything?

    Does Starmer support the teachers?
    Why don't you ask him? You know I am not a Labour representative right?
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    DriverDriver Posts: 4,522

    HYUFD's point is really horrible if you think about it.

    His point is that teachers should only earn the average salary or below it.

    I ask, why? These people are raising the next generation of bankers, lawyers, software engineers, politicians...

    How can you sit here and say what a teacher should or should not earn? It's exactly the same thing with train drivers, why shouldn't they earn £60K a year? Why should anyone ever earn anything?

    Does Starmer support the teachers?
    Why don't you ask him? You know I am not a Labour representative right?
    You've previously made a virtue of having sources inside the Labour leadership office.

    Or was that an empty brag?
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    One almost feels sorry for Wee Rishi. Almost.


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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,453
    edited February 2023

    carnforth said:



    Behold, movement. (the Times)

    Good news, and two things to note: both sides have moved, despite how it will be spun in the coming days, and this could have been agreed years ago.

    Also, the DUP will almost certainly vote against it and a chunk of the ERG too - the question is, how many?
    The problem is, if the DUP won't agree to it, then unless the UUP can sell it to Unionist voters and do the unlikely thing of supplanting the DUP by taking a more moderate position, then it's somewhat pointless.

    Unionist politicians have to be willing and able to sell any agreement to their voters.
    The DUP currently attracts approximately 24% of the vote in N Ireland. How does that entitle them to a veto?
    Because the Good Friday Agreement provides for power-sharing between Nationalist and Unionist communities, and that 24% makes the DUP the largest party of the Unionist community. It is explicit within the Good Friday Agreement that they have a veto, unless they are outpolled by a different party of Unionism with a more moderate position.

    Unfortunately, no-one involved in the Brexit process or negotiations has taken the trouble to convince Unionist voters in Northern Ireland of the necessity for compromise, and the benefits that exist for them with the proposed arrangements, or to reassure them that they aren't a stepping stone to leaving the UK by stealth.
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    HYUFD's point is really horrible if you think about it.

    His point is that teachers should only earn the average salary or below it.

    I ask, why? These people are raising the next generation of bankers, lawyers, software engineers, politicians...

    How can you sit here and say what a teacher should or should not earn? It's exactly the same thing with train drivers, why shouldn't they earn £60K a year? Why should anyone ever earn anything?

    Does Starmer support the teachers?
    Why don't you ask him? You know I am not a Labour representative right?
    I’ll take that as a no.

    We’ll treat your crocodile tears with the dignity they deserve.
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    BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 31,867
    Dura_Ace said:

    Dura_Ace said:

    Carnyx said:
    Standard practice these days! HMS Forth came new from the shipyard with glued on bolt heads disguising snapped fasteners.

    Extracting snapped bolts of a significant size is very time consuming whether you're drilling out for an extractor or arsing around welding nuts on the end. It recently took me four hours to get one snapped M6x50 out of the LHS head of my R8. (Multiple attempts at the welded nut technique.)
    Suggests it's time to brush up on your TIG welding Dura ;-)
    I TIG 99% of the time but access was a real problem so I couldn't get the stick and the gun in there until I gave up, loosened the engine mounts and lifted up the engine by about 200mm.
    I've only done a few 'welded nut' extractions - not at all easy if the bolt shears off close to the face.
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    Just for Richard.


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    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    The politics of the teacher strike has been interesting this morning.
    Gillian Keegan on @TimesRadio was very measured, pointed out that most teachers are reasonably well paid and gently disputed the idea that loads are using food banks….

    Now the NEU rep on to explain why they are striking is instead going on about the number of food banks, child hunger and austerity.
    Important issues but this is a pay dispute not an anti-Tory protest. Isn’t it?

    Also, I asked Kevin Courtney, joint general secretary of the National Education Union, if NEU staff had been given a 12% pay rise this year (which is what they are asking the government for).

    He said no. Because they couldn't afford it.


    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1620700343419150336

    I agree with her. No teachers should be using food banks.

    But:

    Here is a thought for all of them and you to ponder.

    I have just done my accounts for January and projections for February. This month, working one-third of the hours, at times I can negotiate with my pupils, and 50% from my own home, I will earn one hundred pounds less than I did as a Head of Faculty in an outstanding school working 60 hour weeks across six days a week.

    If I worked 50 hours a week tutoring, I would be earning around 50% more than I did in a school.

    Ok, I don't get pension with that. And I work through the holidays now as well. But there is a fundamental mismatch between what the market will provide and what the government is paying.

    So either change the expectations - or change the salaries.

    It's not really that hard. Unless you're stupid.

    Ah....
    Average teacher salary is now £38k in England, £39k in Wales and £40k in Scotland.

    Clearly above the median salary in each of those nations.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/education-64431992
    Yes.

    So?

    Don't we want teachers from the bit of the talent range where they can command above-median salaries?

    And isn't denying market signals (like the number of good jobs in good schools that don't get applicants) by talk of fairness and comparability the sort of thing that was tried and seen to fail in the 1970s?
    And 16 weeks holiday a year too.....
    Without getting all Brexit bus, are you sure about 16? 13 at any school I've worked in. (38 weeks teaching, 1 non-teaching professional development (some of which is TOILed for after-school sessions) leaving 13 weeks off. Remember that pretty much all bank holidays are in school holidays anyway.)

    In any case, it doesn't matter. The key people you need to persuade aren't the current teachers so much as the people who we need teaching who aren't teaching. They look at the current combo of pay, conditions, hours, holidays and pensions and say "no thanks". You may think they are wrong, but it's like the old adage about customers. They're right, even if they're wrong.
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    HYUFD's point is really horrible if you think about it.

    His point is that teachers should only earn the average salary or below it.

    I ask, why? These people are raising the next generation of bankers, lawyers, software engineers, politicians...

    How can you sit here and say what a teacher should or should not earn? It's exactly the same thing with train drivers, why shouldn't they earn £60K a year? Why should anyone ever earn anything?

    Does Starmer support the teachers?
    Why don't you ask him? You know I am not a Labour representative right?
    I’ll take that as a no.

    We’ll treat your crocodile tears with the dignity they deserve.
    You know I don't have to agree with everything Labour says or does, don't you? I'm not their PR representative.

    I've voted Tory in the past, as well as Lib Dem
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,453
    HYUFD said:

    IanB2 said:

    carnforth said:



    Behold, movement. (the Times)

    Good news, and two things to note: both sides have moved, despite how it will be spun in the coming days, and this could have been agreed years ago.

    Also, the DUP will almost certainly vote against it and a chunk of the ERG too - the question is, how many?
    The Times understands that the customs element of the deal had been due to be announced in January but was pulled at the last minute. One source suggested that Brussels had feared Rishi Sunak could not sell the complete package to the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) and Brexiteers in his own party....

    ...Sunak is also nervous about reaction to the compromise among Brexit-supporting MPs and in particular any intervention by Boris Johnson, who agreed to the original protocol with the EU.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-and-eu-set-for-northern-ireland-brexit-deal-tj9v9bgzw
    Great, so we have a compromise that Sunak cannot sell to his nutters.
    I'm hoping Starmer supports the deal, that will bypass the ERG and DUPers, and enrage them which is always a bonus.
    Briefly satisfying, but self-defeating when the DUP refuse to join an NI Executive and NI remains in limbo without a government.
    If the Irish Sea border is removed no reason why the DUP won't rejoin the NI government. As I said they will abstain.

    Starmer however will almost certainly vote against and hope to defeat the government with ERG rebels
    Donaldson has included no role for the ECJ as part of his demands, as that would indicate a different legal position for NI compared to the rest of the UK. On the face of it the role for the ECJ envisioned would lead to his rejection, unless he is willing to compromise, which he has denied.
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    SelebianSelebian Posts: 7,502
    edited February 2023
    Emergency services in Australia have "literally found the needle in the haystack", apparently. Fortunately they also seem to have found the Caesium-137 capsule they were searching for.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-64481317

    Literal pedantry aside, this reminds me of when I used to work in a lab with a similar density instrument also using a radioactive source, somewhat larger than this one. When I started the security was laughable - doors unlocked all day and nothing to prevent the source being removed from the instrument. I think the rules tightened up considerably after an inspection and we suddenly had two levels of security locks (main lab and to the room containing the instrument), monitored CCTV, alarm system and a big-ass padlock securing the source in the instrument. Quite how this one could possibly have got lost in transit will be quite the story.
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    I note @michaelpforan at the Women and Equalities Committee has declined to agree that trans rights are human rights.
    https://twitter.com/dhothersall/status/1620445328616067074

    That’s because competent lawyers don’t deal in slogans. Law protects from gender reassign discrim which you could call trans rights as a political gloss. Whether there are other claims currently not recognised in law say to selfID is not something a witness can wax lyrically on

    My job in that committee was to provide description and analysis of the law in the U.K. as it currently stands. Asking lawyers to repeat a political slogan in the hopes that it will dress that slogan up as a legal reality is inappropriate in the context of a committee like this.

    We were not asked to appear before that committee to have our character or morals subject to some kind of inquisition. We were there to provide legal analysis to assist the committee in its understanding of a very complex area of law.

    https://twitter.com/michaelpforan/status/1620716667671310337
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    Selebian said:

    Emergency services in Australia have "literally found the needle in the haystack", apparently. Fortunately they also seem to have found the Caesium-137 capsule they were searching for.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-64481317

    Literal pedantry aside, this reminds me of when I used to work in a lab with a similar density instrument also using a radioactive source, somewhat larger than this one. When I started the security was laughable - doors unlocked all day and nothing to prevent the source being removed from the instrument. I think the rules tightened up considerably after an inspection and we suddenly had two levels of security locks (main lab and to the room containing the instrument), monitored CCTV, alarm system and a big-ass padlock securing the source in the instrument. Quite how this one could possibly have got lost in transit will be quite the story.

    Sounds like they put in 120% effort on that one.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,453

    IanB2 said:

    carnforth said:



    Behold, movement. (the Times)

    Good news, and two things to note: both sides have moved, despite how it will be spun in the coming days, and this could have been agreed years ago.

    Also, the DUP will almost certainly vote against it and a chunk of the ERG too - the question is, how many?
    The Times understands that the customs element of the deal had been due to be announced in January but was pulled at the last minute. One source suggested that Brussels had feared Rishi Sunak could not sell the complete package to the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) and Brexiteers in his own party....

    ...Sunak is also nervous about reaction to the compromise among Brexit-supporting MPs and in particular any intervention by Boris Johnson, who agreed to the original protocol with the EU.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-and-eu-set-for-northern-ireland-brexit-deal-tj9v9bgzw
    Great, so we have a compromise that Sunak cannot sell to his nutters.
    I'm hoping Starmer supports the deal, that will bypass the ERG and DUPers, and enrage them which is always a bonus.
    Briefly satisfying, but self-defeating when the DUP refuse to join an NI Executive and NI remains in limbo without a government.
    If N Ireland is a democracy (big if) then the electorate will eventually sort out that problem.
    If the (Unionist) electorate share the priority of the Unionist politicians not to compromise over Northern Ireland's legal status in any way, then they will continue to vote for Unionist politicians who reject any compromise on Brexit and Northern Ireland.

    The anti-democratic move was that of Johnson imposing the Northern Ireland protocol on NI Unionists without their consent, and that was an almost inevitable consequence of Brexit supporters denying that Brexit itself abrogated the fundamental basis of the Northern Ireland peace process - that mutual EU membership provided a legal framework that allowed for a compromise between the irreconcilable positions of Nationalists and Unionists.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,863
    .

    I note @michaelpforan at the Women and Equalities Committee has declined to agree that trans rights are human rights.
    https://twitter.com/dhothersall/status/1620445328616067074

    That’s because competent lawyers don’t deal in slogans...

    "...A legal expert has warned Scotland’s controversial gender laws will provide men “who cross-dress for erotic purposes” with a “magic certificate” to access women’s spaces..."
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    More or Less explore the claim that more pensioners are living in “millionaire households” than in poverty. This includes the value of your house and your pension. So this could be for example two pensioners with pensions and a home they own or a single pensioner in a £500,000 house with £30k/year pension. These amount to 22% of pensioners have assets over £1million - while those living in relative poverty (income after housing below 60% of median income) amount to 15% - half the level of the late 1990s. Most pensioners fall into neither category.

    They are the richest generation ever and will be richer than their successors. I guess such generations are inevitable occassionally but it would be better for society if they understood and accepted:

    this has been down mostly to demographics rather than their generation working harder than others
    the real economic and housing problems faced by their children and grandchildren
    that their generation needs to share the pain of demographic changes
    immigration is a necessary and significant part of dealing with those demographic changes
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    IanB2 said:

    carnforth said:



    Behold, movement. (the Times)

    Good news, and two things to note: both sides have moved, despite how it will be spun in the coming days, and this could have been agreed years ago.

    Also, the DUP will almost certainly vote against it and a chunk of the ERG too - the question is, how many?
    The Times understands that the customs element of the deal had been due to be announced in January but was pulled at the last minute. One source suggested that Brussels had feared Rishi Sunak could not sell the complete package to the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) and Brexiteers in his own party....

    ...Sunak is also nervous about reaction to the compromise among Brexit-supporting MPs and in particular any intervention by Boris Johnson, who agreed to the original protocol with the EU.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-and-eu-set-for-northern-ireland-brexit-deal-tj9v9bgzw
    Great, so we have a compromise that Sunak cannot sell to his nutters.
    I'm hoping Starmer supports the deal, that will bypass the ERG and DUPers, and enrage them which is always a bonus.
    Briefly satisfying, but self-defeating when the DUP refuse to join an NI Executive and NI remains in limbo without a government.
    If N Ireland is a democracy (big if) then the electorate will eventually sort out that problem.
    If the (Unionist) electorate share the priority of the Unionist politicians not to compromise over Northern Ireland's legal status in any way, then they will continue to vote for Unionist politicians who reject any compromise on Brexit and Northern Ireland.

    The anti-democratic move was that of Johnson imposing the Northern Ireland protocol on NI Unionists without their consent, and that was an almost inevitable consequence of Brexit supporters denying that Brexit itself abrogated the fundamental basis of the Northern Ireland peace process - that mutual EU membership provided a legal framework that allowed for a compromise between the irreconcilable positions of Nationalists and Unionists.
    So Brexiteers told big fat lies. Not news.
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    JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 39,113

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Just a point:

    Trans people are people. They deserve as much respect and compassion as everyone else in our society. This constant "They're a threat!" shittiness that goes on on here is really, really dangerous.

    Women are people too and have rights too.

    You might note that the concern is not with trans people but with men who will abuse poorly drafted law. The attacks on critics of this law frequently resort to blanket claims of “transphobia” because their initial attempt to get it through with “no debate” has been ignored, mainly by women (frequently left wing) who will not be told to “shut up”.
    Wow. I never realised women have rights too. Thanks for telling me, Carlotta (/sarcasm mode).

    Read the tweet you posted. It is part of a constant drip-drip of poison that trans people are a threat. The tweet connects, to anyone reading it, trans people and negative traits.

    Some questions: how many trans people cross-dress for erotic purposes? All? Some? None? If they do, is giving them access to "women's spaces" (i.e. loos) fulfilling these dark "erotic purposes"? What about trans people who just want to have a pee without being hassled or beaten up when they go into the 'wrong' toilet? What even are "erotic purposes"?

    The tweet below about Arizona shows the direction we're heading in, if we're not careful.
    Trans people are entitled to dignity, respect and consideration. There is no evidence that as a group they are any more prone to crime than the rest of society.
    But the rights they want can be abused by predatory men seeking access to women only spaces. We need safeguards to ensure that does not happen. The GRR bill has no such safeguards. That is what needs addressed.
    The safeguards may require modifications of the Equality Act which is ambiguous because it does not distinguish between sex and gender. That is what people should be focusing on. The political game playing around this threatens the reputation and safety of those the proponents say they want to protect.
    Let's take an example case. Someone was born as Michael, and aged 25 transitions to be called Mary. She starts a relationship, and 30 years later she realises she is in a abusive relationship that she needs to get out of.

    She has spent over half her life as a woman; many of her acquaintances do not know she was born male, the rest don't care.

    Should she be able to access a women's refuge?
    If he is a functioning male, despite living as a women all those years, the answer should be no. The rights and needs of the other users would override his/hers. If he is no longer a functioning male I think it is harder to justify exclusion but I recognise that some deeply traumatised women simply cannot bear a male in their proximity and their needs must be respected too.
    I take your point but wouldn't it be more respectful to refer to Mary as she? Referring to her as he seems to indicate your bias against trans people.

    Given she has transitioned I would assume she is no longer a functioning male. Maybe I am misunderstanding the definition of 'transition' here? (IANAE)
    This is one of the things at the heart of this issue. 'Trans' covers a shole host of positions - including someone like Eddie Izzard, through Quentin Crisp, to Caitlyn Jenner or Elliot Page or Hari Nef.

    Some trans people will just cross-dress; some will have had the full drugs-and-operations treatment. Some will just take the drugs.

    Fully transitioning is a lengthy process (rightly, IMO), so someone intending to be fully transitioned may only be partially transitioned at a certain point, but think of themselves as that. Some may decide that the drugs are enough, and they don't want to go through the operations (which are *not* pleasant).

    As for sexuality: some will date men. Some will date women. Some will be bisexual. Some will be asexual.

    Also, some trans people will be saints. Some will be sinners; in the same way some men are sinners and saints. Or women. Or doctors. Or lawyers. Or PB posters. ;)

    'Trans' covers a whole smorgasbord of things and people, and that's one of the major issues with this 'debate'.
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    SelebianSelebian Posts: 7,502
    edited February 2023

    HYUFD's point is really horrible if you think about it.

    His point is that teachers should only earn the average salary or below it.

    I ask, why? These people are raising the next generation of bankers, lawyers, software engineers, politicians...

    How can you sit here and say what a teacher should or should not earn? It's exactly the same thing with train drivers, why shouldn't they earn £60K a year? Why should anyone ever earn anything?

    More seriously, people should earn (with a minimum floor - i.e. minimum wage) what the market will pay. In the private sector this works, to some extent - see e.g. wage rises with the lorry driver shortages. With the state near-monopolies it's not so simple of course, not every teacher/clinician can simply go to work in the private sector in the same role. The same logic should apply though - if you're struggling to recruit and retain teachers (and we are) then we need to pay more and/or make the job more attractive in other ways.

    I'm an academic and many of us think we're not paid enough given the expertise, long training etc. But the fact is that we're generally not in a recruitment crisis - the other benefits to the job, the huge freedom to do what interests you - means that we don't get paid as much in academia as we might in other roles with the same expertise.* I would, of course, love to be paid more, but I recognise the reality of the situation.

    *I've been approached for stats code monkey roles in CROs at up to 50% more than my salary (headline, take home would not be 50% higher due to tax implications etc, pension less generous too), but I would find those incredibly dull and I'd lose a lot of freedom in how I organise my life, too.
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    NigelbNigelb Posts: 62,863
    It seems as though the current generation of AIs are likely to run into copyright problems.

    Models such as Stable Diffusion are trained on copyrighted, trademarked, private, and sensitive images.

    Yet, our new paper shows that diffusion models memorize images from their training data and emit them at generation time.

    https://twitter.com/Eric_Wallace_/status/1620449934863642624
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    tlg86tlg86 Posts: 25,209
    Selebian said:

    Emergency services in Australia have "literally found the needle in the haystack", apparently. Fortunately they also seem to have found the Caesium-137 capsule they were searching for.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-64481317

    Literal pedantry aside, this reminds me of when I used to work in a lab with a similar density instrument also using a radioactive source, somewhat larger than this one. When I started the security was laughable - doors unlocked all day and nothing to prevent the source being removed from the instrument. I think the rules tightened up considerably after an inspection and we suddenly had two levels of security locks (main lab and to the room containing the instrument), monitored CCTV, alarm system and a big-ass padlock securing the source in the instrument. Quite how this one could possibly have got lost in transit will be quite the story.

    Thankfully this didn't result in a repeat of the Goiânia accident.
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    SelebianSelebian Posts: 7,502
    edited February 2023
    tlg86 said:

    Selebian said:

    Emergency services in Australia have "literally found the needle in the haystack", apparently. Fortunately they also seem to have found the Caesium-137 capsule they were searching for.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-64481317

    Literal pedantry aside, this reminds me of when I used to work in a lab with a similar density instrument also using a radioactive source, somewhat larger than this one. When I started the security was laughable - doors unlocked all day and nothing to prevent the source being removed from the instrument. I think the rules tightened up considerably after an inspection and we suddenly had two levels of security locks (main lab and to the room containing the instrument), monitored CCTV, alarm system and a big-ass padlock securing the source in the instrument. Quite how this one could possibly have got lost in transit will be quite the story.

    Thankfully this didn't result in a repeat of the Goiânia accident.
    Indeed. Rio Tinto need to be hit with a serous fine for this, plus the search costs and, if possible, criminal negligence charges brought against individuals (not familiar with Oz law on this).

    ETA: Reading more on that on Wikipedia (I was aware of it, but not the full details):
    "On September 16, Alves [one of the thieves] succeeded in puncturing the capsule's aperture window with a screwdriver, allowing him to see a deep blue light coming from the tiny opening he had created. He inserted the screwdriver and successfully scooped out some of the glowing substance. Thinking it was perhaps a type of gunpowder, he tried to light it, but the powder would not ignite."
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,453
    Selebian said:

    Emergency services in Australia have "literally found the needle in the haystack", apparently. Fortunately they also seem to have found the Caesium-137 capsule they were searching for.
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-64481317

    Literal pedantry aside, this reminds me of when I used to work in a lab with a similar density instrument also using a radioactive source, somewhat larger than this one. When I started the security was laughable - doors unlocked all day and nothing to prevent the source being removed from the instrument. I think the rules tightened up considerably after an inspection and we suddenly had two levels of security locks (main lab and to the room containing the instrument), monitored CCTV, alarm system and a big-ass padlock securing the source in the instrument. Quite how this one could possibly have got lost in transit will be quite the story.

    They might want to consider the possibility that the bolt that worked itself loose had been glued in after breaking. Seems to be de rigueur for nuclear equipment.
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    HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 117,187
    edited February 2023

    HYUFD's point is really horrible if you think about it.

    His point is that teachers should only earn the average salary or below it.

    I ask, why? These people are raising the next generation of bankers, lawyers, software engineers, politicians...

    How can you sit here and say what a teacher should or should not earn? It's exactly the same thing with train drivers, why shouldn't they earn £60K a year? Why should anyone ever earn anything?

    Where did I say that? I said they already earn above the average salary and did not say that was a bad thing. Plus they get a good pension.

    Indeed headteachers can earn up to 6 figure salaries.

    However you can be a teacher in a state comprehensive or academy with
    a 2.2 from an ex polytechnic. Most banks and corporate law firms and tech firms demand at least a 2.1 from a Russell Group university and doctors need 7 years of medical school after top A levels.

    That is why on average the latter pay more
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    malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 42,133

    DavidL said:

    DavidL said:

    Just a point:

    Trans people are people. They deserve as much respect and compassion as everyone else in our society. This constant "They're a threat!" shittiness that goes on on here is really, really dangerous.

    Women are people too and have rights too.

    You might note that the concern is not with trans people but with men who will abuse poorly drafted law. The attacks on critics of this law frequently resort to blanket claims of “transphobia” because their initial attempt to get it through with “no debate” has been ignored, mainly by women (frequently left wing) who will not be told to “shut up”.
    Wow. I never realised women have rights too. Thanks for telling me, Carlotta (/sarcasm mode).

    Read the tweet you posted. It is part of a constant drip-drip of poison that trans people are a threat. The tweet connects, to anyone reading it, trans people and negative traits.

    Some questions: how many trans people cross-dress for erotic purposes? All? Some? None? If they do, is giving them access to "women's spaces" (i.e. loos) fulfilling these dark "erotic purposes"? What about trans people who just want to have a pee without being hassled or beaten up when they go into the 'wrong' toilet? What even are "erotic purposes"?

    The tweet below about Arizona shows the direction we're heading in, if we're not careful.
    Trans people are entitled to dignity, respect and consideration. There is no evidence that as a group they are any more prone to crime than the rest of society.
    But the rights they want can be abused by predatory men seeking access to women only spaces. We need safeguards to ensure that does not happen. The GRR bill has no such safeguards. That is what needs addressed.
    The safeguards may require modifications of the Equality Act which is ambiguous because it does not distinguish between sex and gender. That is what people should be focusing on. The political game playing around this threatens the reputation and safety of those the proponents say they want to protect.
    Let's take an example case. Someone was born as Michael, and aged 25 transitions to be called Mary. She starts a relationship, and 30 years later she realises she is in a abusive relationship that she needs to get out of.

    She has spent over half her life as a woman; many of her acquaintances do not know she was born male, the rest don't care.

    Should she be able to access a women's refuge?
    If he is a functioning male, despite living as a women all those years, the answer should be no. The rights and needs of the other users would override his/hers. If he is no longer a functioning male I think it is harder to justify exclusion but I recognise that some deeply traumatised women simply cannot bear a male in their proximity and their needs must be respected too.
    I take your point but wouldn't it be more respectful to refer to Mary as she? Referring to her as he seems to indicate your bias against trans people.

    Given she has transitioned I would assume she is no longer a functioning male. Maybe I am misunderstanding the definition of 'transition' here? (IANAE)
    Well in Scotland's case the "transitioning" for GRC was just signing a bit of paper and saying you had lived as a woman for 3 months. Who knows what living like a woman is mind you, No-one can explain that one.
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    LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 15,453

    IanB2 said:

    carnforth said:



    Behold, movement. (the Times)

    Good news, and two things to note: both sides have moved, despite how it will be spun in the coming days, and this could have been agreed years ago.

    Also, the DUP will almost certainly vote against it and a chunk of the ERG too - the question is, how many?
    The Times understands that the customs element of the deal had been due to be announced in January but was pulled at the last minute. One source suggested that Brussels had feared Rishi Sunak could not sell the complete package to the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP) and Brexiteers in his own party....

    ...Sunak is also nervous about reaction to the compromise among Brexit-supporting MPs and in particular any intervention by Boris Johnson, who agreed to the original protocol with the EU.


    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-and-eu-set-for-northern-ireland-brexit-deal-tj9v9bgzw
    Great, so we have a compromise that Sunak cannot sell to his nutters.
    I'm hoping Starmer supports the deal, that will bypass the ERG and DUPers, and enrage them which is always a bonus.
    Briefly satisfying, but self-defeating when the DUP refuse to join an NI Executive and NI remains in limbo without a government.
    If N Ireland is a democracy (big if) then the electorate will eventually sort out that problem.
    If the (Unionist) electorate share the priority of the Unionist politicians not to compromise over Northern Ireland's legal status in any way, then they will continue to vote for Unionist politicians who reject any compromise on Brexit and Northern Ireland.

    The anti-democratic move was that of Johnson imposing the Northern Ireland protocol on NI Unionists without their consent, and that was an almost inevitable consequence of Brexit supporters denying that Brexit itself abrogated the fundamental basis of the Northern Ireland peace process - that mutual EU membership provided a legal framework that allowed for a compromise between the irreconcilable positions of Nationalists and Unionists.
    So Brexiteers told big fat lies. Not news.
    Well, yes, as I have argued in relation to Northern Ireland and Brexit for many years. But somehow we have to deal with the problem thus created, rather than to ignore it. That means finding a compromise that both Unionists and Nationalists can agree to.

    My best wishes to the negotiators involved.
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    MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 44,638
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    The politics of the teacher strike has been interesting this morning.
    Gillian Keegan on @TimesRadio was very measured, pointed out that most teachers are reasonably well paid and gently disputed the idea that loads are using food banks….

    Now the NEU rep on to explain why they are striking is instead going on about the number of food banks, child hunger and austerity.
    Important issues but this is a pay dispute not an anti-Tory protest. Isn’t it?

    Also, I asked Kevin Courtney, joint general secretary of the National Education Union, if NEU staff had been given a 12% pay rise this year (which is what they are asking the government for).

    He said no. Because they couldn't afford it.


    https://twitter.com/MattChorley/status/1620700343419150336

    I agree with her. No teachers should be using food banks.

    But:

    Here is a thought for all of them and you to ponder.

    I have just done my accounts for January and projections for February. This month, working one-third of the hours, at times I can negotiate with my pupils, and 50% from my own home, I will earn one hundred pounds less than I did as a Head of Faculty in an outstanding school working 60 hour weeks across six days a week.

    If I worked 50 hours a week tutoring, I would be earning around 50% more than I did in a school.

    Ok, I don't get pension with that. And I work through the holidays now as well. But there is a fundamental mismatch between what the market will provide and what the government is paying.

    So either change the expectations - or change the salaries.

    It's not really that hard. Unless you're stupid.

    Ah....
    Average teacher salary is now £38k in England, £39k in Wales and £40k in Scotland.

    Clearly above the average salary in each of those nations.


    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/education-64431992
    £38k in rural England would be a good salary.

    In London (including the two hour commute zone) or in some of the other big cities, it is fairly shit. Housing costs is the big one on this, as ever.
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