By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
And then merge income tax and NI. We don't need multiple classes of income tax.
No restore NI to its original purpose, to fund only the state pension, contributory unemployment benefits and some healthcare on the social insurance model of most western nations
Sure, then lets cut the state pension, welfare and NHS to appropriate levels to be covered by NI. Works for me.
I think NI brings in about £60bn a year.
State pensions alone are almost twice that way £115bn.
I think @hyufd needs to be aware of what exactly he's proposing
It's interesting how until fairly recently (in the scheme of things) most people were happy to have their name and address in the phone book, but didn't particularly like giving away any other information about themselves to strangers. Now, it seems to be the other way round. A lot of people post all sorts of information about themselves on YouTube, Facebook, etc, but don't like the idea of people knowing their real name, address, phone number, etc. I think the previous way of doing things was better, and don't understand why people changed their attitude.
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
And then merge income tax and NI. We don't need multiple classes of income tax.
No restore NI to its original purpose, to fund only the state pension, contributory unemployment benefits and some healthcare on the social insurance model of most western nations
Sure, then lets cut the state pension, welfare and NHS to appropriate levels to be covered by NI. Works for me.
I think NI brings in about £60bn a year.
State pensions alone are almost twice that way £115bn.
I think @hyufd needs to be aware of what exactly he's proposing
Yes increase NI not income tax or corporation tax or impose a wealth tax to fund the state pension. Let pensioners pay NI.
Largely hypothecated for the NHS too more voters would demand reform of it not just higher NI payments by them to access it
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Yes but you hated the Tories even in 2019 when they won a landslide, so what?
It's an admission of irrationality, so it's useful context.
Hatred is by definition irrational and it makes people do irrational things. Like voting for a party led by Jeremy Corbyn.
or indeed Boris Johnson.
Against anybody but Jeremy Corbyn, that would be a fair point.
They were two cheeks of the same flatulent a***. Although there were differences. One allegedly had connections with senior former KGB officers whilst the other sang the Red Flag at Party Conferences and did a set at Worthy Farm.
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Yes but you hated the Tories even in 2019 when they won a landslide, so what?
It's an admission of irrationality, so it's useful context.
Hatred is by definition irrational and it makes people do irrational things. Like voting for a party led by Jeremy Corbyn.
or indeed Boris Johnson.
Against anybody but Jeremy Corbyn, that would be a fair point.
They were two cheeks of the same flatulent a***. Although there were differences. One allegedly had connections with senior former KGB officers whilst the other sang the Red Flag at Party Conferences and did a set at Worthy Farm.
Still banging on about the connections with Russia as if the last year didn't happen, I see.
SNP politicians who oppose Holyrood’s controversial gender reform bill should resign from the party and stand as independents, an MP close to Nicola Sturgeon has said.
Alyn Smith, the MP for Stirling, said party colleagues were “obliged to defend the SNP position” on any proposal in the manifesto upon which they were elected.
The manifesto doesn't include putting rapists in Womens' prisons though
I don't know how this is not a bigger story, if the tories had done this it would be headlines for days.
Indeed. This story is all I am hearing about in every bar, cafe, restaurant, supermarket, shop, etc. No one is talking about the economy, corrupt govt or running out of money. No one cares if they freeze or starve, just how we must vote Tory to thwart the SNP and the trans pervs. It is totally amazing how the population is coming together on this....
Yes, but somewhat dented by the SNP taking 5 seats off the Tories. Scottish Liberal Democrats heading for an extinction level event, but at the hands of Labour, not the SNP.
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
You might as well increase IT instead and stop messing around with NI and abolish it completely.
I've had a horrendous year trying to work out what NI I (a) should, and (b) could have paid, and (c) what it actually credits me with. And repeat that for Mrs C as well.
HMRC website and online statements are about as useful as a square table missing a leg - i. e. seriously incomplete and unreliable. And, of course, today is the last day one can correct the "could" bit as I have recently remarked.
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
And then merge income tax and NI. We don't need multiple classes of income tax.
No restore NI to its original purpose, to fund only the state pension, contributory unemployment benefits and some healthcare on the social insurance model of most western nations
Sure, then lets cut the state pension, welfare and NHS to appropriate levels to be covered by NI. Works for me.
I think NI brings in about £60bn a year.
State pensions alone are almost twice that way £115bn.
I think @hyufd needs to be aware of what exactly he's proposing
He's perhaps inspired by the Republicans, who are proposing the complete abolition of income tax, to be replaced by a 30% sales tax.
SNP politicians who oppose Holyrood’s controversial gender reform bill should resign from the party and stand as independents, an MP close to Nicola Sturgeon has said.
Alyn Smith, the MP for Stirling, said party colleagues were “obliged to defend the SNP position” on any proposal in the manifesto upon which they were elected.
The manifesto doesn't include putting rapists in Womens' prisons though
I don't know how this is not a bigger story, if the tories had done this it would be headlines for days.
Indeed. This story is all I am hearing about in every bar, cafe, restaurant, supermarket, shop, etc. No one is talking about the economy, corrupt govt or running out of money. No one cares if they freeze or starve, just how we must vote Tory to thwart the SNP and the trans pervs. It is totally amazing how the population is coming together on this....
Not!
Ofx course, this was what the Tories were planning to do, before they went all war on woke statue botherers.
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Yes but you hated the Tories even in 2019 when they won a landslide, so what?
It's an admission of irrationality, so it's useful context.
Hatred is by definition irrational and it makes people do irrational things. Like voting for a party led by Jeremy Corbyn.
or indeed Boris Johnson.
Against anybody but Jeremy Corbyn, that would be a fair point.
They were two cheeks of the same flatulent a***. Although there were differences. One allegedly had connections with senior former KGB officers whilst the other sang the Red Flag at Party Conferences and did a set at Worthy Farm.
Still banging on about the connections with Russia as if the last year didn't happen, I see.
Indeed. I cannot work out why this hasn't erupted into the biggest political scandal since Profumo. Scratch that, an even bigger scandal than Profumo.
Just imagine the consternation in Tory Circles if David Milliband had been partying on Lebedev's yacht whilst Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, and quite rightly too.
SNP politicians who oppose Holyrood’s controversial gender reform bill should resign from the party and stand as independents, an MP close to Nicola Sturgeon has said.
Alyn Smith, the MP for Stirling, said party colleagues were “obliged to defend the SNP position” on any proposal in the manifesto upon which they were elected.
The manifesto doesn't include putting rapists in Womens' prisons though
I don't know how this is not a bigger story, if the tories had done this it would be headlines for days.
Indeed. This story is all I am hearing about in every bar, cafe, restaurant, supermarket, shop, etc. No one is talking about the economy, corrupt govt or running out of money. No one cares if they freeze or starve, just how we must vote Tory to thwart the SNP and the trans pervs. It is totally amazing how the population is coming together on this....
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
And then merge income tax and NI. We don't need multiple classes of income tax.
No restore NI to its original purpose, to fund only the state pension, contributory unemployment benefits and some healthcare on the social insurance model of most western nations
Sure, then lets cut the state pension, welfare and NHS to appropriate levels to be covered by NI. Works for me.
I think NI brings in about £60bn a year.
State pensions alone are almost twice that way £115bn.
I think @hyufd needs to be aware of what exactly he's proposing
He's perhaps inspired by the Republicans, who are proposing the complete abolition of income tax, to be replaced by a 30% sales tax.
Is it to be imposed on food, services including schools, clothes, energy and transport? If so it'll screw the poor disproportionately.
SNP politicians who oppose Holyrood’s controversial gender reform bill should resign from the party and stand as independents, an MP close to Nicola Sturgeon has said.
Alyn Smith, the MP for Stirling, said party colleagues were “obliged to defend the SNP position” on any proposal in the manifesto upon which they were elected.
The manifesto doesn't include putting rapists in Womens' prisons though
I don't know how this is not a bigger story, if the tories had done this it would be headlines for days.
Indeed. This story is all I am hearing about in every bar, cafe, restaurant, supermarket, shop, etc. No one is talking about the economy, corrupt govt or running out of money. No one cares if they freeze or starve, just how we must vote Tory to thwart the SNP and the trans pervs. It is totally amazing how the population is coming together on this....
Not!
My comment was about the press coverage, Sunak not wearing a seat belt was headline news for 2 days, here a man who raped women was placed in a women's prison because he identified as a woman, and whilst there continued raping.
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
And then merge income tax and NI. We don't need multiple classes of income tax.
No restore NI to its original purpose, to fund only the state pension, contributory unemployment benefits and some healthcare on the social insurance model of most western nations
Sure, then lets cut the state pension, welfare and NHS to appropriate levels to be covered by NI. Works for me.
I think NI brings in about £60bn a year.
State pensions alone are almost twice that way £115bn.
I think @hyufd needs to be aware of what exactly he's proposing
He's perhaps inspired by the Republicans, who are proposing the complete abolition of income tax, to be replaced by a 30% sales tax.
Well, I suppose they've been overindulging in a form of vat.
SNP politicians who oppose Holyrood’s controversial gender reform bill should resign from the party and stand as independents, an MP close to Nicola Sturgeon has said.
Alyn Smith, the MP for Stirling, said party colleagues were “obliged to defend the SNP position” on any proposal in the manifesto upon which they were elected.
The manifesto doesn't include putting rapists in Womens' prisons though
I don't know how this is not a bigger story, if the tories had done this it would be headlines for days.
Indeed. This story is all I am hearing about in every bar, cafe, restaurant, supermarket, shop, etc. No one is talking about the economy, corrupt govt or running out of money. No one cares if they freeze or starve, just how we must vote Tory to thwart the SNP and the trans pervs. It is totally amazing how the population is coming together on this....
Not!
Ofx course, this was what the Tories were planning to do, before they went all war on woke statue botherers.
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
You might as well increase IT instead and stop messing around with NI and abolish it completely.
I've had a horrendous year trying to work out what NI I (a) should, and (b) could have paid, and (c) what it actually credits me with. And repeat that for Mrs C as well.
HMRC website and online statements are about as useful as a square table missing a leg - i. e. seriously incomplete and unreliable. And, of course, today is the last day one can correct the "could" bit as I have recently remarked.
Yes, I agree, that's how I'd do it. Reduce employee's NI over several years, increasing ICT at the same rate in parallel.
It's interesting how until fairly recently (in the scheme of things) most people were happy to have their name and address in the phone book, but didn't particularly like giving away any other information about themselves to strangers. Now, it seems to be the other way round. A lot of people post all sorts of information about themselves on YouTube, Facebook, etc, but don't like the idea of people knowing their real name, address, phone number, etc. I think the previous way of doing things was better, and don't understand why people changed their attitude.
Its also deluded in that because they give away so much info, ML can de-anonymise you anyway. It well known that Facebook is the biggest purchaser of data which is supposed anonymised and they can basically pull out individuals / triangulate personal information from it.
I was talking with somebody this morning and they had an interesting take on Musk / Twitter.....they were hypothesising, forgot all the free speech nonsense, has he actually just bought it for the data funnel. Remember OpenAI's ChatGPT made significant use of that data, which he has now stopped.
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
And then merge income tax and NI. We don't need multiple classes of income tax.
No restore NI to its original purpose, to fund only the state pension, contributory unemployment benefits and some healthcare on the social insurance model of most western nations
Sure, then lets cut the state pension, welfare and NHS to appropriate levels to be covered by NI. Works for me.
I think NI brings in about £60bn a year.
State pensions alone are almost twice that way £115bn.
I think @hyufd needs to be aware of what exactly he's proposing
He's perhaps inspired by the Republicans, who are proposing the complete abolition of income tax, to be replaced by a 30% sales tax.
Is it to be imposed on food, services including schools, clothes, energy and transport? If so it'll screw the poor disproportionately.
Suppose too it was on shares and property. You'd shout otherwise. A blanket purchase tax of a small amount might be quite an interesting idea.
*somewhat counterintuitively it is SLab that take Edinburgh West and Orkney & Shetland, not the SNP.
Typo: SLab should be (+22)
Labour voting is rather inefficient in Scotland.
Yes. An uneven spread of support is a huge advantage for a small party under FPTP (eg the LDs under Clegg), but a big disadvantage if you want to actually win. The SNP’s more even spread is exaggerated by the unexpectedly pro-SNP new boundaries.
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
And then merge income tax and NI. We don't need multiple classes of income tax.
No restore NI to its original purpose, to fund only the state pension, contributory unemployment benefits and some healthcare on the social insurance model of most western nations
Sure, then lets cut the state pension, welfare and NHS to appropriate levels to be covered by NI. Works for me.
I think NI brings in about £60bn a year.
State pensions alone are almost twice that way £115bn.
I think @hyufd needs to be aware of what exactly he's proposing
He's perhaps inspired by the Republicans, who are proposing the complete abolition of income tax, to be replaced by a 30% sales tax.
Is it to be imposed on food, services including schools, clothes, energy and transport? If so it'll screw the poor disproportionately.
Suppose too it was on shares and property. You'd shout otherwise. A blanket purchase tax of a small amount might be quite an interesting idea.
Never heard of a 'sales tax' on financial transactions of that sort, so I think the terminologfy excludes that possibility.
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
You might as well increase IT instead and stop messing around with NI and abolish it completely.
I've had a horrendous year trying to work out what NI I (a) should, and (b) could have paid, and (c) what it actually credits me with. And repeat that for Mrs C as well.
HMRC website and online statements are about as useful as a square table missing a leg - i. e. seriously incomplete and unreliable. And, of course, today is the last day one can correct the "could" bit as I have recently remarked.
Yes, I agree, that's how I'd do it. Reduce employee's NI over several years, increasing ICT at the same rate in parallel.
Combine IC/NI + reform the way companies pay taxes, it seems like an obvious approach for better balance of taxation and aim for growth.
You get the richer paying more tax in a way that is harder to avoid and we get rid of this stupid "tax on employment", so a company trying to rapidly grow gets whacked before they made any money. And of course you can reduce complication in the tax system, which should make it more efficient.
Yes, we know, oldies, but that doesn't seem impossible to fix.
SNP politicians who oppose Holyrood’s controversial gender reform bill should resign from the party and stand as independents, an MP close to Nicola Sturgeon has said.
Alyn Smith, the MP for Stirling, said party colleagues were “obliged to defend the SNP position” on any proposal in the manifesto upon which they were elected.
The manifesto doesn't include putting rapists in Womens' prisons though
I don't know how this is not a bigger story, if the tories had done this it would be headlines for days.
Indeed. This story is all I am hearing about in every bar, cafe, restaurant, supermarket, shop, etc. No one is talking about the economy, corrupt govt or running out of money. No one cares if they freeze or starve, just how we must vote Tory to thwart the SNP and the trans pervs. It is totally amazing how the population is coming together on this....
Not!
It has actually made quite a few front page headlines, FWIW (which makes Nerys' comments seem a bit odd.). But the idea it's going to be a game changer for the Tories is just silly.
They do cling to the idea, though. The activists interviewed on PM last night were adamant that Labour was in "a shambles". When pressed for details, literally all they could come up with was Starmer's "confusion on the trans issue".
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
You might as well increase IT instead and stop messing around with NI and abolish it completely.
I've had a horrendous year trying to work out what NI I (a) should, and (b) could have paid, and (c) what it actually credits me with. And repeat that for Mrs C as well.
HMRC website and online statements are about as useful as a square table missing a leg - i. e. seriously incomplete and unreliable. And, of course, today is the last day one can correct the "could" bit as I have recently remarked.
Yes, I agree, that's how I'd do it. Reduce employee's NI over several years, increasing ICT at the same rate in parallel.
Combine IC/NI + reform the way companies pay taxes, it seems like an obvious approach for growth. You get the richer paying more tax in a way that is harder to avoid and we get rid of this stupid tax on employees, so a company trying to rapidly grow gets whacked before they made any money.
Mm, NI is really a tax on turnover (or wages, which must track it fairly well at least in proportion) rather than profits, I suppose.
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
And then merge income tax and NI. We don't need multiple classes of income tax.
No restore NI to its original purpose, to fund only the state pension, contributory unemployment benefits and some healthcare on the social insurance model of most western nations
Sure, then lets cut the state pension, welfare and NHS to appropriate levels to be covered by NI. Works for me.
I think NI brings in about £60bn a year.
State pensions alone are almost twice that way £115bn.
I think @hyufd needs to be aware of what exactly he's proposing
He's perhaps inspired by the Republicans, who are proposing the complete abolition of income tax, to be replaced by a 30% sales tax.
Is it to be imposed on food, services including schools, clothes, energy and transport? If so it'll screw the poor disproportionately.
SNP politicians who oppose Holyrood’s controversial gender reform bill should resign from the party and stand as independents, an MP close to Nicola Sturgeon has said.
Alyn Smith, the MP for Stirling, said party colleagues were “obliged to defend the SNP position” on any proposal in the manifesto upon which they were elected.
The manifesto doesn't include putting rapists in Womens' prisons though
I don't know how this is not a bigger story, if the tories had done this it would be headlines for days.
Indeed. This story is all I am hearing about in every bar, cafe, restaurant, supermarket, shop, etc. No one is talking about the economy, corrupt govt or running out of money. No one cares if they freeze or starve, just how we must vote Tory to thwart the SNP and the trans pervs. It is totally amazing how the population is coming together on this....
Not!
Ofx course, this was what the Tories were planning to do, before they went all war on woke statue botherers.
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Yes but you hated the Tories even in 2019 when they won a landslide, so what?
It's an admission of irrationality, so it's useful context.
Hatred is by definition irrational and it makes people do irrational things. Like voting for a party led by Jeremy Corbyn.
or indeed Boris Johnson.
Against anybody but Jeremy Corbyn, that would be a fair point.
They were two cheeks of the same flatulent a***. Although there were differences. One allegedly had connections with senior former KGB officers whilst the other sang the Red Flag at Party Conferences and did a set at Worthy Farm.
Still banging on about the connections with Russia as if the last year didn't happen, I see.
Indeed. I cannot work out why this hasn't erupted into the biggest political scandal since Profumo. Scratch that, an even bigger scandal than Profumo.
Because, when push came to shove and Putin invaded (again), Boris did the right thing.
SNP politicians who oppose Holyrood’s controversial gender reform bill should resign from the party and stand as independents, an MP close to Nicola Sturgeon has said.
Alyn Smith, the MP for Stirling, said party colleagues were “obliged to defend the SNP position” on any proposal in the manifesto upon which they were elected.
The manifesto doesn't include putting rapists in Womens' prisons though
I don't know how this is not a bigger story, if the tories had done this it would be headlines for days.
Indeed. This story is all I am hearing about in every bar, cafe, restaurant, supermarket, shop, etc. No one is talking about the economy, corrupt govt or running out of money. No one cares if they freeze or starve, just how we must vote Tory to thwart the SNP and the trans pervs. It is totally amazing how the population is coming together on this....
Not!
Ofx course, this was what the Tories were planning to do, before they went all war on woke statue botherers.
Is that "of" now gender neutral/fluid?
Ha! It was actually a typo. Fingers thick, I've been sorting papers all day.
And in other thread news I see people are having a pile on @HYUFD because he holds a particular political view, states it often and politely, doesn't change it under pressure, and, moreover, the view is one with which other posters don't agree.
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
And then merge income tax and NI. We don't need multiple classes of income tax.
No restore NI to its original purpose, to fund only the state pension, contributory unemployment benefits and some healthcare on the social insurance model of most western nations
Sure, then lets cut the state pension, welfare and NHS to appropriate levels to be covered by NI. Works for me.
I think NI brings in about £60bn a year.
State pensions alone are almost twice that way £115bn.
I think @hyufd needs to be aware of what exactly he's proposing
He's perhaps inspired by the Republicans, who are proposing the complete abolition of income tax, to be replaced by a 30% sales tax.
Is it to be imposed on food, services including schools, clothes, energy and transport? If so it'll screw the poor disproportionately.
That's the idea, I think ?
One does wonder. The other point here is that some states already have sales taxes, varying around the 5% sort of level, so that's like VAT of just over a third.
And in other thread news I see people are having a pile on @HYUFD because he holds a particular political view, states it often and politely, doesn't change it under pressure and, moreover, the view is one with which other posters don't agree.
PB at its best.
I love HYUFD! I’m one of his biggest fans as I tell him constantly
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
And then merge income tax and NI. We don't need multiple classes of income tax.
No restore NI to its original purpose, to fund only the state pension, contributory unemployment benefits and some healthcare on the social insurance model of most western nations
Sure, then lets cut the state pension, welfare and NHS to appropriate levels to be covered by NI. Works for me.
I think NI brings in about £60bn a year.
State pensions alone are almost twice that way £115bn.
I think @hyufd needs to be aware of what exactly he's proposing
He's perhaps inspired by the Republicans, who are proposing the complete abolition of income tax, to be replaced by a 30% sales tax.
Is it to be imposed on food, services including schools, clothes, energy and transport? If so it'll screw the poor disproportionately.
Suppose too it was on shares and property. You'd shout otherwise. A blanket purchase tax of a small amount might be quite an interesting idea.
Never heard of a 'sales tax' on financial transactions of that sort, so I think the terminologfy excludes that possibility.
For many good reasons. However there are already small taxes on share transactions, and daft taxes on property transactions. If all cash outflow from your account (for any reason) incurred a 2% charge (say) would you be happy? Assuming no other taxes at all.
And in other thread news I see people are having a pile on @HYUFD because he holds a particular political view, states it often and politely, doesn't change it under pressure and, moreover, the view is one with which other posters don't agree.
PB at its best.
I love HYUFD! I’m one of his biggest fans as I tell him constantly
I was going to say 'you and he blow each other occasionally to cool down.'
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
You might as well increase IT instead and stop messing around with NI and abolish it completely.
I've had a horrendous year trying to work out what NI I (a) should, and (b) could have paid, and (c) what it actually credits me with. And repeat that for Mrs C as well.
HMRC website and online statements are about as useful as a square table missing a leg - i. e. seriously incomplete and unreliable. And, of course, today is the last day one can correct the "could" bit as I have recently remarked.
Yes, I agree, that's how I'd do it. Reduce employee's NI over several years, increasing ICT at the same rate in parallel.
Combine IC/NI + reform the way companies pay taxes, it seems like an obvious approach for growth. You get the richer paying more tax in a way that is harder to avoid and we get rid of this stupid tax on employees, so a company trying to rapidly grow gets whacked before they made any money.
Mm, NI is really a tax on turnover (or wages, which must track it fairly well at least in proportion) rather than profits, I suppose.
You could also do some nudge stuff and make it more advantageous for companies to take the money they aren't paying on employer NI, to pay more / put more in people's pensions.
We have talked about this before on here, how we have this stupid situation where the state effectively subsidises lots of jobs, even well paid ones, via tax credits and alike. We are just cycling money around via expensive admin.
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
And then merge income tax and NI. We don't need multiple classes of income tax.
No restore NI to its original purpose, to fund only the state pension, contributory unemployment benefits and some healthcare on the social insurance model of most western nations
Sure, then lets cut the state pension, welfare and NHS to appropriate levels to be covered by NI. Works for me.
I think NI brings in about £60bn a year.
State pensions alone are almost twice that way £115bn.
I think @hyufd needs to be aware of what exactly he's proposing
Yes increase NI not income tax or corporation tax or impose a wealth tax to fund the state pension. Let pensioners pay NI.
Largely hypothecated for the NHS too more voters would demand reform of it not just higher NI payments by them to access it
I'd broadly agree with that, although I'm always a bit nervous about hypothecated taxes: if we're in a recession, then does healthcare spending drop because of a lack of NI revenue.
And in other thread news I see people are having a pile on @HYUFD because he holds a particular political view, states it often and politely, doesn't change it under pressure and, moreover, the view is one with which other posters don't agree.
PB at its best.
I love HYUFD! I’m one of his biggest fans as I tell him constantly
He is certainly an asset to opponents of the Conservative Party.
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
And then merge income tax and NI. We don't need multiple classes of income tax.
No restore NI to its original purpose, to fund only the state pension, contributory unemployment benefits and some healthcare on the social insurance model of most western nations
Sure, then lets cut the state pension, welfare and NHS to appropriate levels to be covered by NI. Works for me.
I think NI brings in about £60bn a year.
State pensions alone are almost twice that way £115bn.
I think @hyufd needs to be aware of what exactly he's proposing
He's perhaps inspired by the Republicans, who are proposing the complete abolition of income tax, to be replaced by a 30% sales tax.
Is it to be imposed on food, services including schools, clothes, energy and transport? If so it'll screw the poor disproportionately.
Suppose too it was on shares and property. You'd shout otherwise. A blanket purchase tax of a small amount might be quite an interesting idea.
Never heard of a 'sales tax' on financial transactions of that sort, so I think the terminologfy excludes that possibility.
For many good reasons. However there are already small taxes on share transactions, and daft taxes on property transactions. If all cash outflow from your account (for any reason) incurred a 2% charge (say) would you be happy? Assuming no other taxes at all.
If I were spending most of my income on food etc. then I'd be delighted with 2%!
But if I had been paying 46% IT (or whatever it is in the states) then I'd be even more delighted. There's no progressive element in that.
And in other thread news I see people are having a pile on @HYUFD because he holds a particular political view, states it often and politely, doesn't change it under pressure and, moreover, the view is one with which other posters don't agree.
PB at its best.
I love HYUFD! I’m one of his biggest fans as I tell him constantly
I was going to say 'you and he blow each other occasionally to cool down.'
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
You might as well increase IT instead and stop messing around with NI and abolish it completely.
I've had a horrendous year trying to work out what NI I (a) should, and (b) could have paid, and (c) what it actually credits me with. And repeat that for Mrs C as well.
HMRC website and online statements are about as useful as a square table missing a leg - i. e. seriously incomplete and unreliable. And, of course, today is the last day one can correct the "could" bit as I have recently remarked.
No.
We should keep NI separate and increase it not income tax when it comes to paying for the State pension and NHS so people can actually see how much of their own income goes to fund those specific areas (pensioners should pay it too).
Virtually every other OECD nation funds most State healthcare through social insurance not income tax
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
You might as well increase IT instead and stop messing around with NI and abolish it completely.
I've had a horrendous year trying to work out what NI I (a) should, and (b) could have paid, and (c) what it actually credits me with. And repeat that for Mrs C as well.
HMRC website and online statements are about as useful as a square table missing a leg - i. e. seriously incomplete and unreliable. And, of course, today is the last day one can correct the "could" bit as I have recently remarked.
No.
We should keep NI separate and increase it not income tax when it comes to paying for the State pension and NHS so people can actually see how much of their own income goes to fund those specific areas (pensioners should pay it too).
Virtually every other OECD nation funds most State healthcare through social insurance not income tax
They aren't hypothecated and never can be.
You're only trying to pamper the Tory pensioners even more.
And in other thread news I see people are having a pile on @HYUFD because he holds a particular political view, states it often and politely, doesn't change it under pressure and, moreover, the view is one with which other posters don't agree.
PB at its best.
I love HYUFD! I’m one of his biggest fans as I tell him constantly
I was going to say 'you and he blow each other occasionally to cool down.'
Then I realised that had a double meaning...
What was the second one ?
Well, it depends on which second one you had in mind. Could be as many as 69 of them...
SNP politicians who oppose Holyrood’s controversial gender reform bill should resign from the party and stand as independents, an MP close to Nicola Sturgeon has said.
Alyn Smith, the MP for Stirling, said party colleagues were “obliged to defend the SNP position” on any proposal in the manifesto upon which they were elected.
The manifesto doesn't include putting rapists in Womens' prisons though
I don't know how this is not a bigger story, if the tories had done this it would be headlines for days.
Indeed. This story is all I am hearing about in every bar, cafe, restaurant, supermarket, shop, etc. No one is talking about the economy, corrupt govt or running out of money. No one cares if they freeze or starve, just how we must vote Tory to thwart the SNP and the trans pervs. It is totally amazing how the population is coming together on this....
Not!
It has actually made quite a few front page headlines, FWIW (which makes Nerys' comments seem a bit odd.). But the idea it's going to be a game changer for the Tories is just silly.
They do cling to the idea, though. The activists interviewed on PM last night were adamant that Labour was in "a shambles". When pressed for details, literally all they could come up with was Starmer's "confusion on the trans issue".
My point was if this had happened in England it would be headline news everyday, everyone would be aware of it, the press would be baying for the resignation of the entire Government and I used the Sunak seat belt story as an example. The SNP have done well to get away with it. That was all, there was no mention of a game changer or anything like that.
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
And then merge income tax and NI. We don't need multiple classes of income tax.
No restore NI to its original purpose, to fund only the state pension, contributory unemployment benefits and some healthcare on the social insurance model of most western nations
Sure, then lets cut the state pension, welfare and NHS to appropriate levels to be covered by NI. Works for me.
I think NI brings in about £60bn a year.
State pensions alone are almost twice that way £115bn.
I think @hyufd needs to be aware of what exactly he's proposing
Yes increase NI not income tax or corporation tax or impose a wealth tax to fund the state pension. Let pensioners pay NI.
Largely hypothecated for the NHS too more voters would demand reform of it not just higher NI payments by them to access it
I'd broadly agree with that, although I'm always a bit nervous about hypothecated taxes: if we're in a recession, then does healthcare spending drop because of a lack of NI revenue.
No NI rises to fund it from those still in the workforce and income tax can still fund healthcare for the unemployed or those below the NI threshold
SNP politicians who oppose Holyrood’s controversial gender reform bill should resign from the party and stand as independents, an MP close to Nicola Sturgeon has said.
Alyn Smith, the MP for Stirling, said party colleagues were “obliged to defend the SNP position” on any proposal in the manifesto upon which they were elected.
The manifesto doesn't include putting rapists in Womens' prisons though
I don't know how this is not a bigger story, if the tories had done this it would be headlines for days.
Indeed. This story is all I am hearing about in every bar, cafe, restaurant, supermarket, shop, etc. No one is talking about the economy, corrupt govt or running out of money. No one cares if they freeze or starve, just how we must vote Tory to thwart the SNP and the trans pervs. It is totally amazing how the population is coming together on this....
Not!
It has actually made quite a few front page headlines, FWIW (which makes Nerys' comments seem a bit odd.). But the idea it's going to be a game changer for the Tories is just silly.
They do cling to the idea, though. The activists interviewed on PM last night were adamant that Labour was in "a shambles". When pressed for details, literally all they could come up with was Starmer's "confusion on the trans issue".
It is a bit like how they used to try and demonise gay people back in the day. It does not work well when almost every family has a gay uncle, cousin, sister, etc, etc and knows that they are not monsters or weirdos as portrayed by the swivel-eyed brigade.
Even at 0.4% for trans people, that is 1 in every 250 people. There is a good chance that most people know a trans person.
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
You might as well increase IT instead and stop messing around with NI and abolish it completely.
I've had a horrendous year trying to work out what NI I (a) should, and (b) could have paid, and (c) what it actually credits me with. And repeat that for Mrs C as well.
HMRC website and online statements are about as useful as a square table missing a leg - i. e. seriously incomplete and unreliable. And, of course, today is the last day one can correct the "could" bit as I have recently remarked.
No.
We should keep NI separate and increase it not income tax when it comes to paying for the State pension and NHS so people can actually see how much of their own income goes to fund those specific areas (pensioners should pay it too).
Virtually every other OECD nation funds most State healthcare through social insurance not income tax
They aren't hypothecated and never can be.
You're only trying to pamper the Tory pensioners even more.
They were, until we had National insurance in the early 20th century there was no state pension and there were no unemployment benefits and was no NHS either
Though I despise the man, I have to note this is actually a pretty effective riposte. I'm pretty certain he intends to run.
DeSantis responds to Trump attacks by pointing to his reelection https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3837615-desantis-responds-to-trump-attacks-by-pointing-to-his-reelection/ Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Tuesday brushed off former President Donald Trump’s latest attacks with a simple message: check the scoreboard. Asked during a news conference about Trump’s criticism over the weekend of his approach to the COVID-19 pandemic, DeSantis responded with a reminder that he won reelection last year by the largest margin of any Republican Florida governor in the state’s modern history. “When you’re an elected executive, you have to make all kinds of decisions’ you got to steer that ship. And the good thing is, is that the people are able to render a judgment on that – whether they reelect you or not,” DeSantis said. “And I’m happy to say, you know, in my case, not only did we win reelection, we won with the highest percentage of the vote that any Republican governor candidate has in the history of the state of Florida,” he added. “We won by the largest raw vote margin – over 1.5 million votes – than any governor candidate has ever had in Florida history.” ...
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
You might as well increase IT instead and stop messing around with NI and abolish it completely.
I've had a horrendous year trying to work out what NI I (a) should, and (b) could have paid, and (c) what it actually credits me with. And repeat that for Mrs C as well.
HMRC website and online statements are about as useful as a square table missing a leg - i. e. seriously incomplete and unreliable. And, of course, today is the last day one can correct the "could" bit as I have recently remarked.
No.
We should keep NI separate and increase it not income tax when it comes to paying for the State pension and NHS so people can actually see how much of their own income goes to fund those specific areas (pensioners should pay it too).
Virtually every other OECD nation funds most State healthcare through social insurance not income tax
They aren't hypothecated and never can be.
You're only trying to pamper the Tory pensioners even more.
They were, until we had National insurance in the early 20th century there was no state pension and there were no unemployment benefits and was no NHS either
"until we had National insurance in the early 20th century there was no state pension"
Really? You surely do realise that the legislation which caused one of the most serious political crises in the UK during the C20 was for NON CONTRIOBUTORY OLD AGE PENSIONS. Look at the Old-Age Pensions Act 1908.
And health care and the NHS had nothing at all to do with NI being introduced. They came after the war (or before if you count the Highlands and Islands, IIRC)>
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
You might as well increase IT instead and stop messing around with NI and abolish it completely.
I've had a horrendous year trying to work out what NI I (a) should, and (b) could have paid, and (c) what it actually credits me with. And repeat that for Mrs C as well.
HMRC website and online statements are about as useful as a square table missing a leg - i. e. seriously incomplete and unreliable. And, of course, today is the last day one can correct the "could" bit as I have recently remarked.
No.
We should keep NI separate and increase it not income tax when it comes to paying for the State pension and NHS so people can actually see how much of their own income goes to fund those specific areas (pensioners should pay it too).
Virtually every other OECD nation funds most State healthcare through social insurance not income tax
They aren't hypothecated and never can be.
You're only trying to pamper the Tory pensioners even more.
They were, until we had National insurance in the early 20th century there was no state pension and there were no unemployment benefits and was no NHS either
"until we had National insurance in the early 20th century there was no state pension"
Really? You surely do realise that the legislation which caused one of the most serious political crises in the UK during the C20 was for NON CONTRIOBUTORY OLD AGE PENSIONS. Look at the Old-Age Pensions Act 1908.
And health care and the NHS had nothing at all to do with NI being introduced. They came after the war (or before if you count the Highlands and Islands, IIRC)>
There was not even health insurance before National insurance let alone an NHS and no unemployment benefits either.
The State Pension was soon linked to payments too by 1928
Though I despise the man, I have to note this is actually a pretty effective riposte. I'm pretty certain he intends to run.
DeSantis responds to Trump attacks by pointing to his reelection https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3837615-desantis-responds-to-trump-attacks-by-pointing-to-his-reelection/ Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Tuesday brushed off former President Donald Trump’s latest attacks with a simple message: check the scoreboard. Asked during a news conference about Trump’s criticism over the weekend of his approach to the COVID-19 pandemic, DeSantis responded with a reminder that he won reelection last year by the largest margin of any Republican Florida governor in the state’s modern history. “When you’re an elected executive, you have to make all kinds of decisions’ you got to steer that ship. And the good thing is, is that the people are able to render a judgment on that – whether they reelect you or not,” DeSantis said. “And I’m happy to say, you know, in my case, not only did we win reelection, we won with the highest percentage of the vote that any Republican governor candidate has in the history of the state of Florida,” he added. “We won by the largest raw vote margin – over 1.5 million votes – than any governor candidate has ever had in Florida history.” ...
Trumps odds have shortened a bit recently. Laid him again.
SNP politicians who oppose Holyrood’s controversial gender reform bill should resign from the party and stand as independents, an MP close to Nicola Sturgeon has said.
Alyn Smith, the MP for Stirling, said party colleagues were “obliged to defend the SNP position” on any proposal in the manifesto upon which they were elected.
The manifesto doesn't include putting rapists in Womens' prisons though
I don't know how this is not a bigger story, if the tories had done this it would be headlines for days.
Indeed. This story is all I am hearing about in every bar, cafe, restaurant, supermarket, shop, etc. No one is talking about the economy, corrupt govt or running out of money. No one cares if they freeze or starve, just how we must vote Tory to thwart the SNP and the trans pervs. It is totally amazing how the population is coming together on this....
Not!
It has actually made quite a few front page headlines, FWIW (which makes Nerys' comments seem a bit odd.). But the idea it's going to be a game changer for the Tories is just silly.
They do cling to the idea, though. The activists interviewed on PM last night were adamant that Labour was in "a shambles". When pressed for details, literally all they could come up with was Starmer's "confusion on the trans issue".
My point was if this had happened in England it would be headline news everyday, everyone would be aware of it, the press would be baying for the resignation of the entire Government and I used the Sunak seat belt story as an example. The SNP have done well to get away with it. That was all, there was no mention of a game changer or anything like that.
What exactly is the "it" that the SNP government have got away with?
Jake Berry, who accompanied her, seems to have a very odd understanding of what the Marshall Plan entailed. ...Berry, who is 44, said his country now needed “sort of a Marshall Plan for conservatism,” invoking the American aid program that rebuilt Europe after World War II. Republicans, he said, had been admirably successful at forging mass support for cutting taxes and trusting the private sector to govern itself. The British right could use a kind of intellectual rescue mission on that front...
SNP politicians who oppose Holyrood’s controversial gender reform bill should resign from the party and stand as independents, an MP close to Nicola Sturgeon has said.
Alyn Smith, the MP for Stirling, said party colleagues were “obliged to defend the SNP position” on any proposal in the manifesto upon which they were elected.
The manifesto doesn't include putting rapists in Womens' prisons though
I don't know how this is not a bigger story, if the tories had done this it would be headlines for days.
Indeed. This story is all I am hearing about in every bar, cafe, restaurant, supermarket, shop, etc. No one is talking about the economy, corrupt govt or running out of money. No one cares if they freeze or starve, just how we must vote Tory to thwart the SNP and the trans pervs. It is totally amazing how the population is coming together on this....
Not!
It has actually made quite a few front page headlines, FWIW (which makes Nerys' comments seem a bit odd.). But the idea it's going to be a game changer for the Tories is just silly.
They do cling to the idea, though. The activists interviewed on PM last night were adamant that Labour was in "a shambles". When pressed for details, literally all they could come up with was Starmer's "confusion on the trans issue".
My point was if this had happened in England it would be headline news everyday, everyone would be aware of it, the press would be baying for the resignation of the entire Government and I used the Sunak seat belt story as an example. The SNP have done well to get away with it. That was all, there was no mention of a game changer or anything like that.
What exactly is the "it" that the SNP government have got away with?
Using trans people as a pawn in their war against EnglandWestminster.
SNP politicians who oppose Holyrood’s controversial gender reform bill should resign from the party and stand as independents, an MP close to Nicola Sturgeon has said.
Alyn Smith, the MP for Stirling, said party colleagues were “obliged to defend the SNP position” on any proposal in the manifesto upon which they were elected.
The manifesto doesn't include putting rapists in Womens' prisons though
I don't know how this is not a bigger story, if the tories had done this it would be headlines for days.
Indeed. This story is all I am hearing about in every bar, cafe, restaurant, supermarket, shop, etc. No one is talking about the economy, corrupt govt or running out of money. No one cares if they freeze or starve, just how we must vote Tory to thwart the SNP and the trans pervs. It is totally amazing how the population is coming together on this....
Not!
It has actually made quite a few front page headlines, FWIW (which makes Nerys' comments seem a bit odd.). But the idea it's going to be a game changer for the Tories is just silly.
They do cling to the idea, though. The activists interviewed on PM last night were adamant that Labour was in "a shambles". When pressed for details, literally all they could come up with was Starmer's "confusion on the trans issue".
My point was if this had happened in England it would be headline news everyday, everyone would be aware of it, the press would be baying for the resignation of the entire Government and I used the Sunak seat belt story as an example. The SNP have done well to get away with it. That was all, there was no mention of a game changer or anything like that.
What exactly is the "it" that the SNP government have got away with?
"Conservatives are too keen on money to win the culture war The likes of Boris Johnson and Nadhim Zahawi don’t enter the careers that shape a society’s norms and values"
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
You might as well increase IT instead and stop messing around with NI and abolish it completely.
I've had a horrendous year trying to work out what NI I (a) should, and (b) could have paid, and (c) what it actually credits me with. And repeat that for Mrs C as well.
HMRC website and online statements are about as useful as a square table missing a leg - i. e. seriously incomplete and unreliable. And, of course, today is the last day one can correct the "could" bit as I have recently remarked.
No.
We should keep NI separate and increase it not income tax when it comes to paying for the State pension and NHS so people can actually see how much of their own income goes to fund those specific areas (pensioners should pay it too).
Virtually every other OECD nation funds most State healthcare through social insurance not income tax
They aren't hypothecated and never can be.
You're only trying to pamper the Tory pensioners even more.
They were, until we had National insurance in the early 20th century there was no state pension and there were no unemployment benefits and was no NHS either
"until we had National insurance in the early 20th century there was no state pension"
Really? You surely do realise that the legislation which caused one of the most serious political crises in the UK during the C20 was for NON CONTRIOBUTORY OLD AGE PENSIONS. Look at the Old-Age Pensions Act 1908.
And health care and the NHS had nothing at all to do with NI being introduced. They came after the war (or before if you count the Highlands and Islands, IIRC)>
There was not even health insurance before National insurance let alone an NHS and no unemployment benefits either.
The State Pension was soon linked to payments too by 1928
"until we had National insurance in the early 20th century there was no state pension"
SNP politicians who oppose Holyrood’s controversial gender reform bill should resign from the party and stand as independents, an MP close to Nicola Sturgeon has said.
Alyn Smith, the MP for Stirling, said party colleagues were “obliged to defend the SNP position” on any proposal in the manifesto upon which they were elected.
The manifesto doesn't include putting rapists in Womens' prisons though
I don't know how this is not a bigger story, if the tories had done this it would be headlines for days.
Indeed. This story is all I am hearing about in every bar, cafe, restaurant, supermarket, shop, etc. No one is talking about the economy, corrupt govt or running out of money. No one cares if they freeze or starve, just how we must vote Tory to thwart the SNP and the trans pervs. It is totally amazing how the population is coming together on this....
Not!
It has actually made quite a few front page headlines, FWIW (which makes Nerys' comments seem a bit odd.). But the idea it's going to be a game changer for the Tories is just silly.
They do cling to the idea, though. The activists interviewed on PM last night were adamant that Labour was in "a shambles". When pressed for details, literally all they could come up with was Starmer's "confusion on the trans issue".
My point was if this had happened in England it would be headline news everyday, everyone would be aware of it, the press would be baying for the resignation of the entire Government and I used the Sunak seat belt story as an example. The SNP have done well to get away with it. That was all, there was no mention of a game changer or anything like that.
What exactly is the "it" that the SNP government have got away with?
Using trans people as a pawn in their war against EnglandWestminster.
If making political points about gender identity issues in other jurisdictions is indeed the "it", the UK Conservative government have definitely got away with "it" so far, contrary to @NerysHughes assertion
Though I despise the man, I have to note this is actually a pretty effective riposte. I'm pretty certain he intends to run.
DeSantis responds to Trump attacks by pointing to his reelection https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3837615-desantis-responds-to-trump-attacks-by-pointing-to-his-reelection/ Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Tuesday brushed off former President Donald Trump’s latest attacks with a simple message: check the scoreboard. Asked during a news conference about Trump’s criticism over the weekend of his approach to the COVID-19 pandemic, DeSantis responded with a reminder that he won reelection last year by the largest margin of any Republican Florida governor in the state’s modern history. “When you’re an elected executive, you have to make all kinds of decisions’ you got to steer that ship. And the good thing is, is that the people are able to render a judgment on that – whether they reelect you or not,” DeSantis said. “And I’m happy to say, you know, in my case, not only did we win reelection, we won with the highest percentage of the vote that any Republican governor candidate has in the history of the state of Florida,” he added. “We won by the largest raw vote margin – over 1.5 million votes – than any governor candidate has ever had in Florida history.” ...
Trumps odds have shortened a bit recently. Laid him again.
Always said the Church of England is full of hard left cranks, time to disestablish now.
A vicar who shared an article suggesting Israel was responsible for the 9/11 terror attacks has been barred from the ministry for 12 years for antisemitism.
The Board of Deputies of British Jews made 11 allegations against the Rev Dr Stephen Sizer, which claimed his conduct in incidents between 2005 and 2018 amounted to antisemitic activity.
Sizer, the former vicar of Christ Church in Virginia Water, Surrey, admitted the “factual basis” of all allegations against him but disputed that his conduct was antisemitic.
However, a church tribunal found that he engaged in antisemitic conduct with respect to suggesting Israel’s responsibility for 9/11.
Swedish PM currently holding a meeting with all 8 leaders of the parliamentary parties, due to the serious security situation. I cannot remember such a meeting before. Meetings between the leaders are very common (Swedish politics is much less confrontational and more constructive than most other countries), but not this type of acute, urgent, all-party grouping. Something’s up.
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
You might as well increase IT instead and stop messing around with NI and abolish it completely.
I've had a horrendous year trying to work out what NI I (a) should, and (b) could have paid, and (c) what it actually credits me with. And repeat that for Mrs C as well.
HMRC website and online statements are about as useful as a square table missing a leg - i. e. seriously incomplete and unreliable. And, of course, today is the last day one can correct the "could" bit as I have recently remarked.
No.
We should keep NI separate and increase it not income tax when it comes to paying for the State pension and NHS so people can actually see how much of their own income goes to fund those specific areas (pensioners should pay it too).
Virtually every other OECD nation funds most State healthcare through social insurance not income tax
NI is income tax, not insurance though. So what's your point?
As a hint, if you're still too thick to figure it out, which makes you pay more NI as an employee: Taking up smoking, or getting promoted and a pay rise?
Insurance is worried about the former, tax the latter.
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
If there is a housing crash the young will be rogered big time, it will not be the sunny uplands you think for them and no doubt they will still eb whinging and whining that it is the poor pensioners fault rather than them being lazy sods.
Though I despise the man, I have to note this is actually a pretty effective riposte. I'm pretty certain he intends to run.
DeSantis responds to Trump attacks by pointing to his reelection https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3837615-desantis-responds-to-trump-attacks-by-pointing-to-his-reelection/ Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Tuesday brushed off former President Donald Trump’s latest attacks with a simple message: check the scoreboard. Asked during a news conference about Trump’s criticism over the weekend of his approach to the COVID-19 pandemic, DeSantis responded with a reminder that he won reelection last year by the largest margin of any Republican Florida governor in the state’s modern history. “When you’re an elected executive, you have to make all kinds of decisions’ you got to steer that ship. And the good thing is, is that the people are able to render a judgment on that – whether they reelect you or not,” DeSantis said. “And I’m happy to say, you know, in my case, not only did we win reelection, we won with the highest percentage of the vote that any Republican governor candidate has in the history of the state of Florida,” he added. “We won by the largest raw vote margin – over 1.5 million votes – than any governor candidate has ever had in Florida history.” ...
Trumps odds have shortened a bit recently. Laid him again.
That's what Melania said...
Untrue. He has someone who does all that kind of stuff for him...
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1620423079104241666 Trump blames Michael Cohen for the Stormy Daniels case, which he apparently didn’t know anything about. Lawyers who represent Trump should understand that when things go sideways, he will blame you.
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
And then merge income tax and NI. We don't need multiple classes of income tax.
No restore NI to its original purpose, to fund only the state pension, contributory unemployment benefits and some healthcare on the social insurance model of most western nations
Sure, then lets cut the state pension, welfare and NHS to appropriate levels to be covered by NI. Works for me.
I think NI brings in about £60bn a year.
State pensions alone are almost twice that way £115bn.
I think @hyufd needs to be aware of what exactly he's proposing
You'll just confuse him with facts.
Scottish pensions are less than Scottish NI contributions, must be plenty of slackers in England to have those numbers.
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
If there is a housing crash the young will be rogered big time, it will not be the sunny uplands you think for them and no doubt they will still eb whinging and whining that it is the poor pensioners fault rather than them being lazy sods.
Exactly Malc. They need to be careful what they wish for. For many so called elderly a housing crash is just a paper loss. It wouldn’t impact me, it would impact those who benefit from my estate.
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
And then merge income tax and NI. We don't need multiple classes of income tax.
No restore NI to its original purpose, to fund only the state pension, contributory unemployment benefits and some healthcare on the social insurance model of most western nations
Sure, then lets cut the state pension, welfare and NHS to appropriate levels to be covered by NI. Works for me.
I think NI brings in about £60bn a year.
State pensions alone are almost twice that way £115bn.
I think @hyufd needs to be aware of what exactly he's proposing
You'll just confuse him with facts.
Scottish pensions are less than Scottish NI contributions, must be plenty of slackers in England to have those numbers.
Or Scottish pensioners die sooner? That's not a dig, just another factor that could lead to that difference.
By then they will almost certainly own property themselves given the age of first property ownership is 39 and be starting to look to retirement
HYUFD I am telling you as a young person, it's not going to happen.
I own a flat, I hate the Tories for what they have done to us. You are finished.
Not many young people own a flat though
Yes because of our failure of economic policy.
Housing crash now, fuck the elderly.
Extend NI to all income. That would level things up a lot.
You might as well increase IT instead and stop messing around with NI and abolish it completely.
I've had a horrendous year trying to work out what NI I (a) should, and (b) could have paid, and (c) what it actually credits me with. And repeat that for Mrs C as well.
HMRC website and online statements are about as useful as a square table missing a leg - i. e. seriously incomplete and unreliable. And, of course, today is the last day one can correct the "could" bit as I have recently remarked.
No.
We should keep NI separate and increase it not income tax when it comes to paying for the State pension and NHS so people can actually see how much of their own income goes to fund those specific areas (pensioners should pay it too).
Virtually every other OECD nation funds most State healthcare through social insurance not income tax
NI is income tax, not insurance though. So what's your point?
As a hint, if you're still too thick to figure it out, which makes you pay more NI as an employee: Taking up smoking, or getting promoted and a pay rise?
Insurance is worried about the former, tax the latter.
It is insurance you absolute numpty. I would have thought even you would have understood that by now.
Swedish PM currently holding a meeting with all 8 leaders of the parliamentary parties, due to the serious security situation. I cannot remember such a meeting before. Meetings between the leaders are very common (Swedish politics is much less confrontational and more constructive than most other countries), but not this type of acute, urgent, all-party grouping. Something’s up.
Is this domestic gang crime or something international (ie Russia)?
Swedish PM currently holding a meeting with all 8 leaders of the parliamentary parties, due to the serious security situation. I cannot remember such a meeting before. Meetings between the leaders are very common (Swedish politics is much less confrontational and more constructive than most other countries), but not this type of acute, urgent, all-party grouping. Something’s up.
Is this domestic gang crime or something international (ie Russia)?
Something to do with Sweden joining NATO according to a flash I saw.
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Largely hypothecated for the NHS too more voters would demand reform of it not just higher NI payments by them to access it
Welsh Tories in 3rd place.
SNP 43%
SLab 39%
SCon 15%
SLD 1%
UKIP 1%
WLab 48%
PC 20%
WCon 17%
Grn 8%
Ref 4%
WLD 2%
UKIP 1%
oth 1%
(Deltapoll; 1,057; Fieldwork: 26th - 30th January 2023)
Labour would gain 20 SNP seats on that swing
https://www.electionpolling.co.uk/battleground/targets/labour
SNP 33 seats (-15)
SLab 23 seats (+15)
SCon 1 seat (-5)
SLD 0 seats (-2)*
*somewhat counterintuitively it is SLab that take Edinburgh West and Orkney & Shetland, not the SNP.
Not!
I've had a horrendous year trying to work out what NI I (a) should, and (b) could have paid, and (c) what it actually credits me with. And repeat that for Mrs C as well.
HMRC website and online statements are about as useful as a square table missing a leg - i. e. seriously incomplete and unreliable. And, of course, today is the last day one can correct the "could" bit as I have recently remarked.
Just imagine the consternation in Tory Circles if David Milliband had been partying on Lebedev's yacht whilst Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs, and quite rightly too.
Unionist complacency is a tremendous asset.
I was talking with somebody this morning and they had an interesting take on Musk / Twitter.....they were hypothesising, forgot all the free speech nonsense, has he actually just bought it for the data funnel. Remember OpenAI's ChatGPT made significant use of that data, which he has now stopped.
You get the richer paying more tax in a way that is harder to avoid and we get rid of this stupid "tax on employment", so a company trying to rapidly grow gets whacked before they made any money. And of course you can reduce complication in the tax system, which should make it more efficient.
Yes, we know, oldies, but that doesn't seem impossible to fix.
But the idea it's going to be a game changer for the Tories is just silly.
They do cling to the idea, though.
The activists interviewed on PM last night were adamant that Labour was in "a shambles". When pressed for details, literally all they could come up with was Starmer's "confusion on the trans issue".
PB at its best.
Then I realised that had a double meaning...
We have talked about this before on here, how we have this stupid situation where the state effectively subsidises lots of jobs, even well paid ones, via tax credits and alike. We are just cycling money around via expensive admin.
THere's such a high risk of being grassed.
But if I had been paying 46% IT (or whatever it is in the states) then I'd be even more delighted. There's no progressive element in that.
We should keep NI separate and increase it not income tax when it comes to paying for the State pension and NHS so people can actually see how much of their own income goes to fund those specific areas (pensioners should pay it too).
Virtually every other OECD nation funds most State healthcare through social insurance not income tax
You're only trying to pamper the Tory pensioners even more.
Even at 0.4% for trans people, that is 1 in every 250 people. There is a good chance that most people know a trans person.
unemployment benefits and was no NHS either
I'm pretty certain he intends to run.
DeSantis responds to Trump attacks by pointing to his reelection
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/3837615-desantis-responds-to-trump-attacks-by-pointing-to-his-reelection/
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Tuesday brushed off former President Donald Trump’s latest attacks with a simple message: check the scoreboard.
Asked during a news conference about Trump’s criticism over the weekend of his approach to the COVID-19 pandemic, DeSantis responded with a reminder that he won reelection last year by the largest margin of any Republican Florida governor in the state’s modern history.
“When you’re an elected executive, you have to make all kinds of decisions’ you got to steer that ship. And the good thing is, is that the people are able to render a judgment on that – whether they reelect you or not,” DeSantis said.
“And I’m happy to say, you know, in my case, not only did we win reelection, we won with the highest percentage of the vote that any Republican governor candidate has in the history of the state of Florida,” he added. “We won by the largest raw vote margin – over 1.5 million votes – than any governor candidate has ever had in Florida history.” ...
Really? You surely do realise that the legislation which caused one of the most serious political crises in the UK during the C20 was for NON CONTRIOBUTORY OLD AGE PENSIONS. Look at the Old-Age Pensions Act 1908.
And health care and the NHS had nothing at all to do with NI being introduced. They came after the war (or before if you count the Highlands and Islands, IIRC)>
The State Pension was soon linked to payments too by 1928
Laid him again.
Liz Truss Crashes the (Republican) Party
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/01/30/liz-truss-republican-party-00080280
Jake Berry, who accompanied her, seems to have a very odd understanding of what the Marshall Plan entailed.
...Berry, who is 44, said his country now needed “sort of a Marshall Plan for conservatism,” invoking the American aid program that rebuilt Europe after World War II. Republicans, he said, had been admirably successful at forging mass support for cutting taxes and trusting the private sector to govern itself. The British right could use a kind of intellectual rescue mission on that front...
EnglandWestminster."Conservatives are too keen on money to win the culture war
The likes of Boris Johnson and Nadhim Zahawi don’t enter the careers that shape a society’s norms and values"
https://www.ft.com/content/6f84ddaf-bc49-4f28-a423-5d0085980646
(Google search avoids the paywall).
That's hwat you said. And it is flat wrong.
The ladder was pulled up on housing prices in Tony Blairs years, and you still profess to think he was a great PM don't you?
The Tories have reversed some of the damage inflicted under Blair and Brown, but nowhere near enough.
https://twitter.com/Gerashchenko_en/status/1620102791749423104
First they come for Ukraine...
A vicar who shared an article suggesting Israel was responsible for the 9/11 terror attacks has been barred from the ministry for 12 years for antisemitism.
The Board of Deputies of British Jews made 11 allegations against the Rev Dr Stephen Sizer, which claimed his conduct in incidents between 2005 and 2018 amounted to antisemitic activity.
Sizer, the former vicar of Christ Church in Virginia Water, Surrey, admitted the “factual basis” of all allegations against him but disputed that his conduct was antisemitic.
However, a church tribunal found that he engaged in antisemitic conduct with respect to suggesting Israel’s responsibility for 9/11.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jan/31/c-of-e-vicar-who-shared-911-israel-plot-claims-barred-for-antisemitism
Meetings between the leaders are very common (Swedish politics is much less confrontational and more constructive than most other countries), but not this type of acute, urgent, all-party grouping. Something’s up.
As a hint, if you're still too thick to figure it out, which makes you pay more NI as an employee: Taking up smoking, or getting promoted and a pay rise?
Insurance is worried about the former, tax the latter.
https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1620423079104241666
Trump blames Michael Cohen for the Stormy Daniels case, which he apparently didn’t know anything about. Lawyers who represent Trump should understand that when things go sideways, he will blame you.
“What is your nationality?” “…I’m a drunkard.”