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Punters think it is almost all over for Nadhim Zahawi – politicalbetting.com

SystemSystem Posts: 8,489
edited January 29 in General
imagePunters think it is almost all over for Nadhim Zahawi – politicalbetting.com

The extraordinary thing about today is that Sunak has not yet acted on Zahawi. He’s still there doing heaven knows what damage to his party.

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  • Bad few days for Tories in trouble, Lampard and Zahawi.
  • Ooh, was that a first?
  • Talking about the Everton.

    Everton have been put up for sale by Farhad Moshiri, who is looking for offers of more than £500m for the Premier League club.

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2023/jan/24/everton-for-sale-farhad-moshiri-asking-price-more-than-500m?utm_term=Autofeed&CMP=twt_gu&utm_medium&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1674590466
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 43,682
    First.
  • kinabalukinabalu Posts: 32,977
    Really don't know why he's still in post. To channel the Moodies, since he's got to go why doesn't he go now?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 11,082
    Off Topic - So did they check under the hood & etc? Make sure they replaced your dipstick!

    Excuse me, in first sentence, please substitute "bonnet" where you think appropriate.

    As for 2nd, have no clue what you guys call an (automobile) dipstick? Though find it sinister, that you apparently call a "muffler" a "silencer"?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 11,082
    IanB2 said:

    First.

    Ha! Ha! Ha!
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 29,264

    Off Topic - So did they check under the hood & etc? Make sure they replaced your dipstick!

    Excuse me, in first sentence, please substitute "bonnet" where you think appropriate.

    As for 2nd, have no clue what you guys call an (automobile) dipstick? Though find it sinister, that you apparently call a "muffler" a "silencer"?

    A dipstick is a dipstick, Globally...
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 47,316
    (FPT)
    Brandon Tsay is a hero. He fought the Monterey Park shooter and disarmed him.
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1617741509927014401

    And showed remarkable forbearance in not turning round and shooting the fncker.
  • Off Topic - So did they check under the hood & etc? Make sure they replaced your dipstick!

    Excuse me, in first sentence, please substitute "bonnet" where you think appropriate.

    As for 2nd, have no clue what you guys call an (automobile) dipstick? Though find it sinister, that you apparently call a "muffler" a "silencer"?

    On my Tesla YouTube channel I've decided to be very British and mix the measures. So the back boot is the Boot. Not trunk. And the front book is the Frunk. Not Froot. Because Froot sounds stupid.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 17,949
    kinabalu said:

    Really don't know why he's still in post. To channel the Moodies, since he's got to go why doesn't he go now?

    As Jonathan and others noted, there are a lot of restive factions in the Conservative Party so perhaps Rishi is displaying Wilsonian party management. Or maybe the precedent of dodgy tax affairs being career-ending is not one to be encouraged.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 32,154
    Nigelb said:

    (FPT)
    Brandon Tsay is a hero. He fought the Monterey Park shooter and disarmed him.
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1617741509927014401

    And showed remarkable forbearance in not turning round and shooting the fncker.

    Send him a narwhal tusk. This is, I believe the ceremonial weapon of True Anti Terrorists.

    Someone petition King Charles - The Royal And Extraordinary Order Of The Narwal Tusk. Open to those who have foiled a terrorist attack, around the world. They will have a position in the various state ceremonies, forming an honour guard.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 29,264
    kinabalu said:

    Really don't know why he's still in post. To channel the Moodies, since he's got to go why doesn't he go now?

    He still thinks he can style it out, and his boss agrees
  • Bad few days for Tories in trouble, Lampard and Zahawi.

    Are you suggesting a job swap?
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 17,643
    edited January 24
    I see Zahawi also flouted local planning rules. It really is one law for him and one law for the little people.
  • Eabhal said:

    @BartholomewRoberts wifi call is your friend

    And Eabhal. Thanks for the advice, WiFi Calling is already enabled on my phone, so not sure why its playing up with the crackly calls and missed calls then?

    We have BT Fibre Broadband which was installed by the developers before we moved in, we just needed to get it activated. Not had any other issues with WiFi.
    Weird, works perfectly for me. Does it pop up as "WiFi call" or similar when you make a call?
    Depends on network as I said above, they can prioritise mobile over Wi-Fi. Use Airplane Mode to force Wi-Fi Calling.

    I'm on O2 here and with full reception my iPhone uses the radio access network as that is the priority O2 has set. I just use Airplane Mode when at home to work around this.
    Is there a way to find out which networks have set a forced priority like that, and which haven't?

    Eg with EE or Vodafone or anyone else would it act just as the same or would they let me choose on the phone to prioritise the Wifi (or simply have the phone prioritise whichever has the best signal)?
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 47,316
    The German newspaper Spiegel reports that according to its information, Germany has decided to send at least one company of the Leopard 2A6 main battle tanks to Ukraine, and grant permission to re-export Leopards to Ukraine.
    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1617952372990349325
  • algarkirkalgarkirk Posts: 6,778
    kinabalu said:

    Really don't know why he's still in post. To channel the Moodies, since he's got to go why doesn't he go now?

    Or to channel some rapper or other:

    "If it were done when ’tis done, then ’twere well
    It were done quickly"
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 43,012

    I see Zahawi also flouted local planning rules. It really is one law for him and one law for the little people.

    BOYCOTT YOUGOV!
  • Bad few days for Tories in trouble, Lampard and Zahawi.

    Are you suggesting a job swap?
    Yes.

    Zahawi could probably fund a few transfers for Everton out of his own pocket.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 32,154
    BREAKING: Russia's Ministry of Defence says today Russian forces in Ukraine have destroyed 200 Abrams M1 tanks, 150 Leopards, 15 HIMARS, four Swedish submarines, two Royal Navy aircraft carriers and a NATO mosquito training centre

    https://twitter.com/sputnik_not/status/1617930431671697410?s=46&t=vyR3kE1Xt0Cd0NQ1Y6oxEw
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 25,298
    edited January 24

    Bad few days for Tories in trouble, Lampard and Zahawi.

    Are you suggesting a job swap?
    Not paying any tax would help fund the new stadium.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 47,316
    Did he steal them off Trump ?

    Mike Pence had classified documents at home, turned them over
    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/24/mike-pence-had-classified-documents-at-home-turned-them-over-00079228

    Though actually, like Biden, this appears simply to be cockup followed by cooperation with the authorities. Rather than lies and obstruction.
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 11,082
    Just in - classified documents found at home of . . . wait for it . . . Mike Pence.

    Fearless prediction: FBI now looking behind the woodwork at Mount Vernon, to see what George Washington might have stashed away?
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 56,756
    edited January 24

    BREAKING: Russia's Ministry of Defence says today Russian forces in Ukraine have destroyed 200 Abrams M1 tanks, 150 Leopards, 15 HIMARS, four Swedish submarines, two Royal Navy aircraft carriers and a NATO mosquito training centre

    https://twitter.com/sputnik_not/status/1617930431671697410?s=46&t=vyR3kE1Xt0Cd0NQ1Y6oxEw

    That last one is gnat true.

    As for the rest, did they destroy them while fleaing?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 11,082
    Nigelb said:

    Did he steal them off Trump ?

    Mike Pence had classified documents at home, turned them over
    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/24/mike-pence-had-classified-documents-at-home-turned-them-over-00079228

    Though actually, like Biden, this appears simply to be cockup followed by cooperation with the authorities. Rather than lies and obstruction.

    Even stipulating that your last para is 100% correct, just more good news for Trump & Etc. as it makes trying to convict HIM - at least in court of public opinion - of HIS massive, manifold security breaches VERY heavy lifting.

    And maybe same with actual courts?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 36,825


    I see Zahawi also flouted local planning rules. It really is one law for him and one law for the little people.

    BOYCOTT YOUGOV!
    Hasn't he sold his interest in Yougov? Indeed wasn't that sale what he "forgot" to pay CGT on?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,357
    edited January 24
    Let the ethics cttee do its work and then Sunak can take action based on its conclusions
  • WillGWillG Posts: 977
    Nigelb said:
    Of course not. She's not a Democrat in name or in spirit.

    On the topic of 2024, looks like Pence, Haley, DeSantis and Pompeo are all running. They will split the vote and Trump will win Iowa. After that it's all over.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 977

    Nigelb said:

    Did he steal them off Trump ?

    Mike Pence had classified documents at home, turned them over
    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/24/mike-pence-had-classified-documents-at-home-turned-them-over-00079228

    Though actually, like Biden, this appears simply to be cockup followed by cooperation with the authorities. Rather than lies and obstruction.

    Even stipulating that your last para is 100% correct, just more good news for Trump & Etc. as it makes trying to convict HIM - at least in court of public opinion - of HIS massive, manifold security breaches VERY heavy lifting.

    And maybe same with actual courts?
    What a ridiculous country the US is, where prosecution of a crime depends on PR appearances rather than objective prosecution guidelines.
  • CorrectHorseBattery3CorrectHorseBattery3 Posts: 1,850
    edited January 24
    @BartholomewRoberts if you turn on airplane mode does it say WiFi Call? Just to eliminate any device/account issues
  • RogerRoger Posts: 17,634

    I see Zahawi also flouted local planning rules. It really is one law for him and one law for the little people.

    ....And why can't he get a suit that fits him?
  • Re new sites easier said than done people keep rejecting them for causing “cancer”. Frankly I would make masts be installable anywhere without planning permission. Labour should make that policy.

    But anyway, might not help anyway as building construction can have a big impact
  • rcs1000rcs1000 Posts: 49,002
    Nigelb said:

    The German newspaper Spiegel reports that according to its information, Germany has decided to send at least one company of the Leopard 2A6 main battle tanks to Ukraine, and grant permission to re-export Leopards to Ukraine.
    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1617952372990349325

    It's been reported as fact on Bloomberg too.

    So, good news. Would have been better a week ago, and if Germany hadn't had to be shamed into it. But good news all the same.
  • noneoftheabovenoneoftheabove Posts: 16,322
    WillG said:

    Nigelb said:

    Did he steal them off Trump ?

    Mike Pence had classified documents at home, turned them over
    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/24/mike-pence-had-classified-documents-at-home-turned-them-over-00079228

    Though actually, like Biden, this appears simply to be cockup followed by cooperation with the authorities. Rather than lies and obstruction.

    Even stipulating that your last para is 100% correct, just more good news for Trump & Etc. as it makes trying to convict HIM - at least in court of public opinion - of HIS massive, manifold security breaches VERY heavy lifting.

    And maybe same with actual courts?
    What a ridiculous country the US is, where prosecution of a crime depends on PR appearances rather than objective prosecution guidelines.
    Or the UK where being a cabinet minister seems to give impunity.....
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,357
    edited January 24
    WillG said:

    Nigelb said:
    Of course not. She's not a Democrat in name or in spirit.

    On the topic of 2024, looks like Pence, Haley, DeSantis and Pompeo are all running. They will split the vote and Trump will win Iowa. After that it's all over.
    Iowa's GOP caucuses are dominated by evangelicals, despite tonight's news Pence, being a Protestant evangelical unlike Roman Catholic DeSantis and Trump has a chance to win them still I believe if he puts in the groundwork
  • rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The German newspaper Spiegel reports that according to its information, Germany has decided to send at least one company of the Leopard 2A6 main battle tanks to Ukraine, and grant permission to re-export Leopards to Ukraine.
    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1617952372990349325

    It's been reported as fact on Bloomberg too.

    So, good news. Would have been better a week ago, and if Germany hadn't had to be shamed into it. But good news all the same.
    It looks like Germany has played a blinder by getting the US to send Abrams tanks as well.
  • TIL Grandpa Simpson writes for the NY Times



    https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1617987379750633472
  • TIL Grandpa Simpson writes for the NY Times



    https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1617987379750633472

    Hi mate how you doing?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 32,154
    ydoethur said:

    BREAKING: Russia's Ministry of Defence says today Russian forces in Ukraine have destroyed 200 Abrams M1 tanks, 150 Leopards, 15 HIMARS, four Swedish submarines, two Royal Navy aircraft carriers and a NATO mosquito training centre

    https://twitter.com/sputnik_not/status/1617930431671697410?s=46&t=vyR3kE1Xt0Cd0NQ1Y6oxEw

    That last one is gnat true.

    As for the rest, did they destroy them while fleaing?
    They’re all a buzz about this.
  • JosiasJessopJosiasJessop Posts: 32,818
    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The German newspaper Spiegel reports that according to its information, Germany has decided to send at least one company of the Leopard 2A6 main battle tanks to Ukraine, and grant permission to re-export Leopards to Ukraine.
    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1617952372990349325

    It's been reported as fact on Bloomberg too.

    So, good news. Would have been better a week ago, and if Germany hadn't had to be shamed into it. But good news all the same.
    I must admit that I'd like France to send Leclercs now, if only so we can see a line-up of Leopard 2's, Challenger 2's, Abrams, Leclercs, T72, T84 and PT-91, all fighting on the same side...
  • rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The German newspaper Spiegel reports that according to its information, Germany has decided to send at least one company of the Leopard 2A6 main battle tanks to Ukraine, and grant permission to re-export Leopards to Ukraine.
    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1617952372990349325

    It's been reported as fact on Bloomberg too.

    So, good news. Would have been better a week ago, and if Germany hadn't had to be shamed into it. But good news all the same.
    I must admit that I'd like France to send Leclercs now, if only so we can see a line-up of Leopard 2's, Challenger 2's, Abrams, Leclercs, T72, T84 and PT-91, all fighting on the same side...
    I admit that that is a heartwarming thought, but I still have my worries about nuclear escalation.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 24,682

    Eabhal said:

    @BartholomewRoberts wifi call is your friend

    And Eabhal. Thanks for the advice, WiFi Calling is already enabled on my phone, so not sure why its playing up with the crackly calls and missed calls then?

    We have BT Fibre Broadband which was installed by the developers before we moved in, we just needed to get it activated. Not had any other issues with WiFi.
    Weird, works perfectly for me. Does it pop up as "WiFi call" or similar when you make a call?
    Depends on network as I said above, they can prioritise mobile over Wi-Fi. Use Airplane Mode to force Wi-Fi Calling.

    I'm on O2 here and with full reception my iPhone uses the radio access network as that is the priority O2 has set. I just use Airplane Mode when at home to work around this.
    Is there a way to find out which networks have set a forced priority like that, and which haven't?

    Eg with EE or Vodafone or anyone else would it act just as the same or would they let me choose on the phone to prioritise the Wifi (or simply have the phone prioritise whichever has the best signal)?
    We have the same issue here with EE.

    Patchy mobile coverage in our house (not helped by the amount of foil backed insulation which creates a bit of a Faraday cage). Our phones will switch to mobile when you're in the kitchen then give a crappy quality call when you move around the house. CorrectHorseBattery's Airplane tip works for us and keeps the call on WiFi calling.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 43,012

    ydoethur said:

    BREAKING: Russia's Ministry of Defence says today Russian forces in Ukraine have destroyed 200 Abrams M1 tanks, 150 Leopards, 15 HIMARS, four Swedish submarines, two Royal Navy aircraft carriers and a NATO mosquito training centre

    https://twitter.com/sputnik_not/status/1617930431671697410?s=46&t=vyR3kE1Xt0Cd0NQ1Y6oxEw

    That last one is gnat true.

    As for the rest, did they destroy them while fleaing?
    They’re all a buzz about this.
    Bee good!
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 35,879

    Bad few days for Tories in trouble, Lampard and Zahawi.

    Are you suggesting a job swap?
    Yes.

    Zahawi could probably fund a few transfers for Everton out of his own pocket.
    Several tax prosecutions later it would be ‘The’ Everton in EFL League 2.
  • TheScreamingEaglesTheScreamingEagles Posts: 105,491
    edited January 24

    TIL Grandpa Simpson writes for the NY Times



    https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1617987379750633472

    Hi mate how you doing?
    I'm ok, just planning a Valentine's Day break.

    Women are like, oh don't make an effort but they get annoyed when you don't.

    It's tightrope walking over a lion's den wearing blindfolds.

    How you doing?
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 49,020
    It's rare I get actively angry but I was so incandescent on the M25 this evening I almost had to pull my car over to compose myself when I heard this story on Radio 4.

    There's something about the abuse of vulnerable children - and the way adults lie about it, and get away with it - that provokes a very visceral reaction in me.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63792458
  • OnlyLivingBoyOnlyLivingBoy Posts: 11,036

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The German newspaper Spiegel reports that according to its information, Germany has decided to send at least one company of the Leopard 2A6 main battle tanks to Ukraine, and grant permission to re-export Leopards to Ukraine.
    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1617952372990349325

    It's been reported as fact on Bloomberg too.

    So, good news. Would have been better a week ago, and if Germany hadn't had to be shamed into it. But good news all the same.
    I must admit that I'd like France to send Leclercs now, if only so we can see a line-up of Leopard 2's, Challenger 2's, Abrams, Leclercs, T72, T84 and PT-91, all fighting on the same side...
    So long and tanks for the memories.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 32,154

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The German newspaper Spiegel reports that according to its information, Germany has decided to send at least one company of the Leopard 2A6 main battle tanks to Ukraine, and grant permission to re-export Leopards to Ukraine.
    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1617952372990349325

    It's been reported as fact on Bloomberg too.

    So, good news. Would have been better a week ago, and if Germany hadn't had to be shamed into it. But good news all the same.
    I must admit that I'd like France to send Leclercs now, if only so we can see a line-up of Leopard 2's, Challenger 2's, Abrams, Leclercs, T72, T84 and PT-91, all fighting on the same side...
    So long and tanks for the memories.
    On the bright side, we can film Red Storm Rising for free.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 32,154

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The German newspaper Spiegel reports that according to its information, Germany has decided to send at least one company of the Leopard 2A6 main battle tanks to Ukraine, and grant permission to re-export Leopards to Ukraine.
    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1617952372990349325

    It's been reported as fact on Bloomberg too.

    So, good news. Would have been better a week ago, and if Germany hadn't had to be shamed into it. But good news all the same.
    I must admit that I'd like France to send Leclercs now, if only so we can see a line-up of Leopard 2's, Challenger 2's, Abrams, Leclercs, T72, T84 and PT-91, all fighting on the same side...
    I admit that that is a heartwarming thought, but I still have my worries about nuclear escalation.
    Learn to love the Bomb. It’s physics poetry.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 32,154

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The German newspaper Spiegel reports that according to its information, Germany has decided to send at least one company of the Leopard 2A6 main battle tanks to Ukraine, and grant permission to re-export Leopards to Ukraine.
    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1617952372990349325

    It's been reported as fact on Bloomberg too.

    So, good news. Would have been better a week ago, and if Germany hadn't had to be shamed into it. But good news all the same.
    I must admit that I'd like France to send Leclercs now, if only so we can see a line-up of Leopard 2's, Challenger 2's, Abrams, Leclercs, T72, T84 and PT-91, all fighting on the same side...
    So long and tanks for the memories.
    https://tanks-alot.co.uk/
  • rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The German newspaper Spiegel reports that according to its information, Germany has decided to send at least one company of the Leopard 2A6 main battle tanks to Ukraine, and grant permission to re-export Leopards to Ukraine.
    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1617952372990349325

    It's been reported as fact on Bloomberg too.

    So, good news. Would have been better a week ago, and if Germany hadn't had to be shamed into it. But good news all the same.
    I must admit that I'd like France to send Leclercs now, if only so we can see a line-up of Leopard 2's, Challenger 2's, Abrams, Leclercs, T72, T84 and PT-91, all fighting on the same side...
    I admit that that is a heartwarming thought, but I still have my worries about nuclear escalation.
    Not going to lie, epic tank battles (and cavalry charges) give me the horn.

    I thought the first Gulf War was the last time we'd see tank battles.

    This could be the Battle of Norfolk all over again.
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 29,264

    Not going to lie, epic tank battles (and cavalry charges) give me the horn.

    @HackBlackburn: The largest ever haul or human remains from the Battle of Waterloo has been found after a Belgian man walked up to… https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1617934421835010049
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,190

    TIL Grandpa Simpson writes for the NY Times



    https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1617987379750633472

    Until fairly recently electricity was a niche way of powering things, but thankfully the power generation industry has grown widely in recent decades.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 49,020

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The German newspaper Spiegel reports that according to its information, Germany has decided to send at least one company of the Leopard 2A6 main battle tanks to Ukraine, and grant permission to re-export Leopards to Ukraine.
    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1617952372990349325

    It's been reported as fact on Bloomberg too.

    So, good news. Would have been better a week ago, and if Germany hadn't had to be shamed into it. But good news all the same.
    I must admit that I'd like France to send Leclercs now, if only so we can see a line-up of Leopard 2's, Challenger 2's, Abrams, Leclercs, T72, T84 and PT-91, all fighting on the same side...
    I admit that that is a heartwarming thought, but I still have my worries about nuclear escalation.
    Not going to lie, epic tank battles (and cavalry charges) give me the horn.

    I thought the first Gulf War was the last time we'd see tank battles.

    This could be the Battle of Norfolk all over again.
    I think threatening nuclear annihilation is Putin's version of Le Strop.

    He's been told in no uncertain terms through backchannels what awaits him if he ever tries it, not only from us but his Mafioso and political orbiters as well.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 25,298

    It's rare I get actively angry but I was so incandescent on the M25 this evening I almost had to pull my car over to compose myself when I heard this story on Radio 4.

    There's something about the abuse of vulnerable children - and the way adults lie about it, and get away with it - that provokes a very visceral reaction in me.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-63792458

    Dreadful, isn't it?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 36,825

    TIL Grandpa Simpson writes for the NY Times



    https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1617987379750633472

    Hi mate how you doing?
    I'm ok, just planning a Valentine's Day break.

    Women are like, oh don't make an effort but they get annoyed when you don't.

    It's tightrope walking over a lion's den wearing blindfolds.

    How you doing?
    It is well worth the investment IMO.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 24,682

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The German newspaper Spiegel reports that according to its information, Germany has decided to send at least one company of the Leopard 2A6 main battle tanks to Ukraine, and grant permission to re-export Leopards to Ukraine.
    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1617952372990349325

    It's been reported as fact on Bloomberg too.

    So, good news. Would have been better a week ago, and if Germany hadn't had to be shamed into it. But good news all the same.
    I must admit that I'd like France to send Leclercs now, if only so we can see a line-up of Leopard 2's, Challenger 2's, Abrams, Leclercs, T72, T84 and PT-91, all fighting on the same side...
    So long and tanks for the memories.
    On the bright side, we can film Red Storm Rising for free.
    Mention of Red Storm Rising reminds me that I fancy reading a good Alt-History novel.

    Any recommendations?
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 43,012
    Never really got into tanks, ever since I was kid I got REALLY interested in WW2 warplanes and WW2 warships, and also WW1 warships.
  • Foxy said:

    TIL Grandpa Simpson writes for the NY Times



    https://twitter.com/robfordmancs/status/1617987379750633472

    Hi mate how you doing?
    I'm ok, just planning a Valentine's Day break.

    Women are like, oh don't make an effort but they get annoyed when you don't.

    It's tightrope walking over a lion's den wearing blindfolds.

    How you doing?
    It is well worth the investment IMO.
    Oh I know.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,190

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The German newspaper Spiegel reports that according to its information, Germany has decided to send at least one company of the Leopard 2A6 main battle tanks to Ukraine, and grant permission to re-export Leopards to Ukraine.
    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1617952372990349325

    It's been reported as fact on Bloomberg too.

    So, good news. Would have been better a week ago, and if Germany hadn't had to be shamed into it. But good news all the same.
    I must admit that I'd like France to send Leclercs now, if only so we can see a line-up of Leopard 2's, Challenger 2's, Abrams, Leclercs, T72, T84 and PT-91, all fighting on the same side...
    So long and tanks for the memories.
    On the bright side, we can film Red Storm Rising for free.
    Mention of Red Storm Rising reminds me that I fancy reading a good Alt-History novel.

    Any recommendations?
    Harry Turtledove - either alt history American Civil war settings, or his "Balance" series where lizard aliens invade during WWII and the Allies and Axis have to unite to repel the invaders.
  • geoffwgeoffw Posts: 6,911
    Besser spät als nie
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 20,506
    Scott_xP said:

    kinabalu said:

    Really don't know why he's still in post. To channel the Moodies, since he's got to go why doesn't he go now?

    He still thinks he can style it out, and his boss agrees
    Zahawi needs a Zahawi type figure to declare undying loyalty, become his second in command, and then tell him to do one.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 36,825
    edited January 24

    Never really got into tanks, ever since I was kid I got REALLY interested in WW2 warplanes and WW2 warships, and also WW1 warships.

    Why not? Tanks are really a form of train, after all they run on tracks.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 9,214
    edited January 24
    “One of the things about being a leader is that you have to have it in yourself to sack those of your team when the need arises”

    Absolutely Mike. Little Drip Sunak not a patch on Liz “Leaky Sue Slayer” Truss in this regard.

    I note Daily Star refused to waste 65p on a lettuce to battle Crooked Nadhim, on a grounds the match up is swift walkover for the lettuce. But it can’t be long now until Rishi see’s the dreaded butthead degrading under the spotlight, next to the beaming photo of himself.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 3,664

    rcs1000 said:

    Nigelb said:

    The German newspaper Spiegel reports that according to its information, Germany has decided to send at least one company of the Leopard 2A6 main battle tanks to Ukraine, and grant permission to re-export Leopards to Ukraine.
    https://twitter.com/EuromaidanPress/status/1617952372990349325

    It's been reported as fact on Bloomberg too.

    So, good news. Would have been better a week ago, and if Germany hadn't had to be shamed into it. But good news all the same.
    I must admit that I'd like France to send Leclercs now, if only so we can see a line-up of Leopard 2's, Challenger 2's, Abrams, Leclercs, T72, T84 and PT-91, all fighting on the same side...
    I admit that that is a heartwarming thought, but I still have my worries about nuclear escalation.
    Not going to lie, epic tank battles (and cavalry charges) give me the horn.

    I thought the first Gulf War was the last time we'd see tank battles.

    This could be the Battle of Norfolk all over again.
    I think threatening nuclear annihilation is Putin's version of Le Strop.

    He's been told in no uncertain terms through backchannels what awaits him if he ever tries it, not only from us but his Mafioso and political orbiters as well.
    The moment of nuclear risk is if and when Russia is being routed in an uncontrolled way and/or there looks like being revolution at home. Sending tanks during a period when the Russians are feeling quite confident with a few marginal gains under their belts is probably a good moment.
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 38,072

    Re new sites easier said than done people keep rejecting them for causing “cancer”. Frankly I would make masts be installable anywhere without planning permission. Labour should make that policy.

    But anyway, might not help anyway as building construction can have a big impact

    Yes hopefully first one is in your front garden and second in your bedroom
  • Scott_xPScott_xP Posts: 29,264
    I guess the worst moment for Sunak to sack Zahawi is after PMQs tomorrow
  • TimSTimS Posts: 3,664
    Foxy said:

    Never really got into tanks, ever since I was kid I got REALLY interested in WW2 warplanes and WW2 warships, and also WW1 warships.

    Why not? Tanks are really a form of train, after all they run on tracks.
    Are there unmanned drone tanks? Is that a thing? It would seem like an obvious development.

    (1 Google search later: apparently so, and Russian. The Uron 9).
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 38,072
    TimS said:

    Foxy said:

    Never really got into tanks, ever since I was kid I got REALLY interested in WW2 warplanes and WW2 warships, and also WW1 warships.

    Why not? Tanks are really a form of train, after all they run on tracks.
    Are there unmanned drone tanks? Is that a thing? It would seem like an obvious development.

    (1 Google search later: apparently so, and Russian. The Uron 9).
    Is it as crap as the rest of their tanks
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 20,506
    I think Zahawi will resign, and join the ranks of 'leaving my post to spend more time clearing my name' - soon to become the largest parliamentary grouping. That will mean Sunak can solemnly opine that he was right to resign, because we can't have that sort of thing, even though there was actually no wrongdoing, but he's resigned and there's an end of it.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 36,825
    Zahawi is obviously toast. Why is Sunak waiting?

    What possible circumstances could excuse a cabinet minister being penalised for non payment of millions in tax? Whether deliberate or due to negligence on his part, it is a mortal wound.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 18,057
    If Zahawi had any integrity...

    Actually, no point finishing that sentence.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,190

    I think Zahawi will resign, and join the ranks of 'leaving my post to spend more time clearing my name' - soon to become the largest parliamentary grouping. That will mean Sunak can solemnly opine that he was right to resign, because we can't have that sort of thing, even though there was actually no wrongdoing, but he's resigned and there's an end of it.

    If Sunak has any impish sense of fun he'll make him Chancellor for the day and then accept his resignation.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 3,664

    I think Zahawi will resign, and join the ranks of 'leaving my post to spend more time clearing my name' - soon to become the largest parliamentary grouping. That will mean Sunak can solemnly opine that he was right to resign, because we can't have that sort of thing, even though there was actually no wrongdoing, but he's resigned and there's an end of it.

    I think it’s conceivable he resigns his cabinet post, but then faces pressure to lose the whip if it turns out the tax dodging goes further (which there are some indications it might).
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 9,214

    Bad few days for Tories in trouble, Lampard and Zahawi.

    I really like Lampard and was rooting for him. It’s really sad that he’s shit.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 20,506
    Foxy said:

    Zahawi is obviously toast. Why is Sunak waiting?

    What possible circumstances could excuse a cabinet minister being penalised for non payment of millions in tax? Whether deliberate or due to negligence on his part, it is a mortal wound.

    Human shield for Sunak?
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 11,082
    WillG said:

    Nigelb said:

    Did he steal them off Trump ?

    Mike Pence had classified documents at home, turned them over
    https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/24/mike-pence-had-classified-documents-at-home-turned-them-over-00079228

    Though actually, like Biden, this appears simply to be cockup followed by cooperation with the authorities. Rather than lies and obstruction.

    Even stipulating that your last para is 100% correct, just more good news for Trump & Etc. as it makes trying to convict HIM - at least in court of public opinion - of HIS massive, manifold security breaches VERY heavy lifting.

    And maybe same with actual courts?
    What a ridiculous country the US is, where prosecution of a crime depends on PR appearances rather than objective prosecution guidelines.
    You appear to think that public relations is totally irrelevant to courts, in your country as well as mine?

    And NOT a totally bad thing. For example, when judges factor in public opinion, in making decisions that go AGAINST the grain of public opinion.

    But notion that all in USA law is bad ipso facto is a crock. Same with UK law being all good - or otherwise.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 36,825

    Bad few days for Tories in trouble, Lampard and Zahawi.

    I really like Lampard and was rooting for him. It’s really sad that he’s shit.
    He is good initially, but cannot sustain a winning team. Probable a good appointment on a six month contract.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 18,057
    "The money was just resting in my account."

    That'll do the trick.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 24,682

    I think Zahawi will resign, and join the ranks of 'leaving my post to spend more time clearing my name' - soon to become the largest parliamentary grouping. That will mean Sunak can solemnly opine that he was right to resign, because we can't have that sort of thing, even though there was actually no wrongdoing, but he's resigned and there's an end of it.

    If Sunak has any impish sense of fun he'll make him Chancellor for the day and then accept his resignation.
    Somehow I don't think Sunak has a shred of impish fun in him.
  • TimSTimS Posts: 3,664
    Foxy said:

    Zahawi is obviously toast. Why is Sunak waiting?

    What possible circumstances could excuse a cabinet minister being penalised for non payment of millions in tax? Whether deliberate or due to negligence on his part, it is a mortal wound.

    Sunak really is weak. I don’t know if he is temperamentally so but his position certainly makes him so. In office but not in power.
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 36,825

    "The money was just resting in my account."

    That'll do the trick.

    Minister for Craggy Island?

    Feck!
  • malcolmgmalcolmg Posts: 38,072

    Foxy said:

    Zahawi is obviously toast. Why is Sunak waiting?

    What possible circumstances could excuse a cabinet minister being penalised for non payment of millions in tax? Whether deliberate or due to negligence on his part, it is a mortal wound.

    Human shield for Sunak?
    Has something on Sunak no doubt otherwise Sunak is even duffer than I thought, shit for brains.
  • MoonRabbitMoonRabbit Posts: 9,214
    Scott_xP said:

    I guess the worst moment for Sunak to sack Zahawi is after PMQs tomorrow

    So it’s happening tomorrow morning then?

    Won’t outmanoeuvre Starmer sacking just before PMQs as Starmer ain’t leading on Zahawhi anyway. He’s leading in the Albanian Gangsters picking up children (boys over 16) from where the government is keeping them in processing limbo and have now lost hundreds of them, without the Home Office even being able to say how many or who exactly now missing and working for the gangsters.

    Starmer’s going to rip the Tories to shreds on immigration, crime and asylum tomorow. That’s PMQs big Story, and all through the afternoon in commons too.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 18,696
    The Toon win
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 11,082

    Foxy said:

    Zahawi is obviously toast. Why is Sunak waiting?

    What possible circumstances could excuse a cabinet minister being penalised for non payment of millions in tax? Whether deliberate or due to negligence on his part, it is a mortal wound.

    Human shield for Sunak?
    No doubt.

    However, at point where the shield resembles a hedgehog, given number of well-aimed attacks hitting home, its utility declines rapidly. To point where its better discarded than retained.

    Just ask the ghost of Harold Macmillan. Or rather, of Selwyn Lloyd.
  • solarflaresolarflare Posts: 3,190

    I think Zahawi will resign, and join the ranks of 'leaving my post to spend more time clearing my name' - soon to become the largest parliamentary grouping. That will mean Sunak can solemnly opine that he was right to resign, because we can't have that sort of thing, even though there was actually no wrongdoing, but he's resigned and there's an end of it.

    If Sunak has any impish sense of fun he'll make him Chancellor for the day and then accept his resignation.
    Somehow I don't think Sunak has a shred of impish fun in him.
    You're right.

    I'm just gathering ideas for my upcoming series of alt-history politics novels.
  • SandyRentoolSandyRentool Posts: 18,057

    The Toon win

    Still a chance to throw it away in the second leg.
  • GallowgateGallowgate Posts: 18,696

    The Toon win

    Still a chance to throw it away in the second leg.
    I hope not, because I have a ticket.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 20,506
    It seems inevitable to me that what will happen in Ukraine is a new iron curtain. It is never going to return to a democracy, uneasily balanced between being Russian-oriented and Western-oriented. Financially and militarily, Western Ukraine is now a de-facto US protectorate, likely to join the EU and NATO, and Russia can't say or do anything about it.

    On the other side, the Donbass bits could be reconquered, but that leads to its own issues - who represents these people now their political parties, language etc. have been banned in Ukraine? Also who pays for the reconstruction? Not me thanks. Russia owning the area is about the only way I see to get them to pay for any of it. Wherever the line is drawn, it looks to me like heavily garrisoned Western and Eastern Ukraine to me.
  • dixiedeandixiedean Posts: 25,298

    The Toon win

    Still a chance to throw it away in the second leg.
    Never conceding a goal probably helps with that tbf.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 107,357
    edited January 24
    Trump leads DeSantis 55% to 26% in new Emerson poll of Republican voters for the 2024 GOP nomination.

    DeSantis leads Trump 40% to 33% with college educated Republicans however unfortunately for him they are only a minority of Republican voters
    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1618004067154034688?s=20&t=IszJadrq_Pl_aguvFfKffQ
  • LostPasswordLostPassword Posts: 11,241

    Nigelb said:

    (FPT)
    Brandon Tsay is a hero. He fought the Monterey Park shooter and disarmed him.
    https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1617741509927014401

    And showed remarkable forbearance in not turning round and shooting the fncker.

    Send him a narwhal tusk. This is, I believe the ceremonial weapon of True Anti Terrorists.

    Someone petition King Charles - The Royal And Extraordinary Order Of The Narwal Tusk. Open to those who have foiled a terrorist attack, around the world. They will have a position in the various state ceremonies, forming an honour guard.
    There's a unicorn in the royal crest isn't there? So the horn/tusk is already on the heraldry if looked at in a certain way.
  • kle4kle4 Posts: 82,567
    HYUFD said:

    Trump leads DeSantis 55% to 26% in new Emerson poll of Republican voters for the 2024 GOP nomination.

    DeSantis leads Trump 40% to 33% with college educated Republicans however, unfortunately for him though they are only a minority of Republican voters
    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1618004067154034688?s=20&t=IszJadrq_Pl_aguvFfKffQ

    The thinking man's Trump.
  • WillGWillG Posts: 977
    kle4 said:

    HYUFD said:

    Trump leads DeSantis 55% to 26% in new Emerson poll of Republican voters for the 2024 GOP nomination.

    DeSantis leads Trump 40% to 33% with college educated Republicans however, unfortunately for him though they are only a minority of Republican voters
    https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1618004067154034688?s=20&t=IszJadrq_Pl_aguvFfKffQ

    The thinking man's Trump.
    Thinking people don't support DeSantis.
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