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  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,242
    edited December 2022
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good socialist Kings Speech today I thought. Much better than I expected.

    MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
    No, Monarchy = Toryism.

    State control of most of the economy =Socialism
    Also, destroying valued and popular institutions with centuries of history for no good reason and with no real thought about what to put in their place thereby making everything much worse=Socialism.

    So no wonder most republicans are socialists.
    I think that's something of an exaggeration. There can be few more ardently republican nations on earth than the USA but they hate socialists far more than monarchs.

    It would be more accurate the other way around.
    They hate both, at least in their own country.

    The US was built on a revolution against King George III and his government and there are probably even more socialists in the US now in terms of Bernie Sanders and AOC supporters than Americans who would restore the monarchy
    The Americans haven't recently killed any monarchs, to my knowledge.

    But it's not that long ago they were industriously killing socialists, including in their own country.
    Only 8% of Americans want a monarchy, indeed fractionally more Democrats, 12% want a monarchy than the 8% of Republicans who do. In the UK by contrast 67% want to keep the monarchy, including 88% of Tory voters and 53% of Labour voters.

    In America they don't kill socialists internally, even the un American activities cttee only jailed them at most
    https://today.yougov.com/topics/international/articles-reports/2022/09/16/few-desire-an-american-monarchy-yougov-poll


    https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2022/09/17/monarchy-sees-minor-improvement-public-opinion
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good socialist Kings Speech today I thought. Much better than I expected.

    MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
    No, Monarchy = Toryism.

    State control of most of the economy =Socialism
    Also, destroying valued and popular institutions with centuries of history for no good reason and with no real thought about what to put in their place thereby making everything much worse=Socialism.

    So no wonder most republicans are socialists.
    I think that's something of an exaggeration. There can be few more ardently republican nations on earth than the USA but they hate socialists far more than monarchs.

    It would be more accurate the other way around.
    They hate both, at least in their own country.

    The US was built on a revolution against King George III and his government and there are probably even more socialists in the US now in terms of Bernie Sanders and AOC supporters than Americans who would restore the monarchy
    The Americans haven't recently killed any monarchs, to my knowledge.

    But it's not that long ago they were industriously killing socialists, including in their own country.
    Only 8% of Americans want a monarchy, indeed fractionally more Democrats, 12% want a monarchy than the 8% of Republicans who do.

    In America they don't kill socialists internally, even the un American activities cttee only jailed them at most
    https://today.yougov.com/topics/international/articles-reports/2022/09/16/few-desire-an-american-monarchy-yougov-poll
    The Rosenbergs would wave hello, if they hadn't been executed.
  • ohnotnowohnotnow Posts: 3,707
    @DecrepitJohnL and @geoffw - I've sent you a vanilla DM with a link - hopefully works ok!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,242
    edited December 2022
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good socialist Kings Speech today I thought. Much better than I expected.

    MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
    No, Monarchy = Toryism.

    State control of most of the economy =Socialism
    Also, destroying valued and popular institutions with centuries of history for no good reason and with no real thought about what to put in their place thereby making everything much worse=Socialism.

    So no wonder most republicans are socialists.
    I think that's something of an exaggeration. There can be few more ardently republican nations on earth than the USA but they hate socialists far more than monarchs.

    It would be more accurate the other way around.
    They hate both, at least in their own country.

    The US was built on a revolution against King George III and his government and there are probably even more socialists in the US now in terms of Bernie Sanders and AOC supporters than Americans who would restore the monarchy
    The Americans haven't recently killed any monarchs, to my knowledge.

    But it's not that long ago they were industriously killing socialists, including in their own country.
    Only 8% of Americans want a monarchy, indeed fractionally more Democrats, 12% want a monarchy than the 8% of Republicans who do.

    In America they don't kill socialists internally, even the un American activities cttee only jailed them at most
    https://today.yougov.com/topics/international/articles-reports/2022/09/16/few-desire-an-american-monarchy-yougov-poll
    The Rosenbergs would wave hello, if they hadn't been executed.
    The Rosenbergs were executed for spying for the Soviet Union, not for their socialism
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good socialist Kings Speech today I thought. Much better than I expected.

    MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
    No, Monarchy = Toryism.

    State control of most of the economy =Socialism
    Also, destroying valued and popular institutions with centuries of history for no good reason and with no real thought about what to put in their place thereby making everything much worse=Socialism.

    So no wonder most republicans are socialists.
    I think that's something of an exaggeration. There can be few more ardently republican nations on earth than the USA but they hate socialists far more than monarchs.

    It would be more accurate the other way around.
    They hate both, at least in their own country.

    The US was built on a revolution against King George III and his government and there are probably even more socialists in the US now in terms of Bernie Sanders and AOC supporters than Americans who would restore the monarchy
    The Americans haven't recently killed any monarchs, to my knowledge.

    But it's not that long ago they were industriously killing socialists, including in their own country.
    Only 8% of Americans want a monarchy, indeed fractionally more Democrats, 12% want a monarchy than the 8% of Republicans who do.

    In America they don't kill socialists internally, even the un American activities cttee only jailed them at most
    https://today.yougov.com/topics/international/articles-reports/2022/09/16/few-desire-an-american-monarchy-yougov-poll
    The Rosenbergs would wave hello, if they hadn't been executed.
    The Rosenbergs were executed for spying for the Soviet Union, not for their socialism
    You think they were spying for the Soviets for money, a la Ron Pelton?

    Anyway, my point stands. They were socialists who were industriously killed (arguably, industrially killed).
  • It's funny, the MAGA lot never ever question the mental health and abilities of Donald Trump when there's overwhelming evidence that he is quite gaga.


  • DougSealDougSeal Posts: 12,541
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good socialist Kings Speech today I thought. Much better than I expected.

    MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
    No, Monarchy = Toryism.

    State control of most of the economy =Socialism
    Also, destroying valued and popular institutions with centuries of history for no good reason and with no real thought about what to put in their place thereby making everything much worse=Socialism.

    So no wonder most republicans are socialists.
    I think that's something of an exaggeration. There can be few more ardently republican nations on earth than the USA but they hate socialists far more than monarchs.

    It would be more accurate the other way around.
    They hate both, at least in their own country.

    The US was built on a revolution against King George III and his government and there are probably even more socialists in the US now in terms of Bernie Sanders and AOC supporters than Americans who would restore the monarchy
    The Americans haven't recently killed any monarchs, to my knowledge.

    But it's not that long ago they were industriously killing socialists, including in their own country.
    Only 8% of Americans want a monarchy, indeed fractionally more Democrats, 12% want a monarchy than the 8% of Republicans who do.

    In America they don't kill socialists internally, even the un American activities cttee only jailed them at most
    https://today.yougov.com/topics/international/articles-reports/2022/09/16/few-desire-an-american-monarchy-yougov-poll
    The Rosenbergs would wave hello, if they hadn't been executed.
    The Rosenbergs were executed for spying for the Soviet Union, not for their socialism
    The victims of the Matewan massacre were killed for their socialism.
  • ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good socialist Kings Speech today I thought. Much better than I expected.

    MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
    No, Monarchy = Toryism.

    State control of most of the economy =Socialism
    Also, destroying valued and popular institutions with centuries of history for no good reason and with no real thought about what to put in their place thereby making everything much worse=Socialism.

    So no wonder most republicans are socialists.
    I think that's something of an exaggeration. There can be few more ardently republican nations on earth than the USA but they hate socialists far more than monarchs.

    It would be more accurate the other way around.
    They hate both, at least in their own country.

    The US was built on a revolution against King George III and his government and there are probably even more socialists in the US now in terms of Bernie Sanders and AOC supporters than Americans who would restore the monarchy
    The Americans haven't recently killed any monarchs, to my knowledge.

    But it's not that long ago they were industriously killing socialists, including in their own country.
    Only 8% of Americans want a monarchy, indeed fractionally more Democrats, 12% want a monarchy than the 8% of Republicans who do.

    In America they don't kill socialists internally, even the un American activities cttee only jailed them at most
    https://today.yougov.com/topics/international/articles-reports/2022/09/16/few-desire-an-american-monarchy-yougov-poll
    The Rosenbergs would wave hello, if they hadn't been executed.
    The Rosenbergs were executed for spying for the Soviet Union, not for their socialism
    You think they were spying for the Soviets for money, a la Ron Pelton?

    Anyway, my point stands. They were socialists who were industriously killed (arguably, industrially killed).
    Well the husband certainly was, I have doubts about the wife.
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good socialist Kings Speech today I thought. Much better than I expected.

    MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
    No, Monarchy = Toryism.

    State control of most of the economy =Socialism
    Also, destroying valued and popular institutions with centuries of history for no good reason and with no real thought about what to put in their place thereby making everything much worse=Socialism.

    So no wonder most republicans are socialists.
    I think that's something of an exaggeration. There can be few more ardently republican nations on earth than the USA but they hate socialists far more than monarchs.

    It would be more accurate the other way around.
    They hate both, at least in their own country.

    The US was built on a revolution against King George III and his government and there are probably even more socialists in the US now in terms of Bernie Sanders and AOC supporters than Americans who would restore the monarchy
    The Americans haven't recently killed any monarchs, to my knowledge.

    But it's not that long ago they were industriously killing socialists, including in their own country.
    Only 8% of Americans want a monarchy, indeed fractionally more Democrats, 12% want a monarchy than the 8% of Republicans who do.

    In America they don't kill socialists internally, even the un American activities cttee only jailed them at most
    https://today.yougov.com/topics/international/articles-reports/2022/09/16/few-desire-an-american-monarchy-yougov-poll
    The Rosenbergs would wave hello, if they hadn't been executed.
    The Rosenbergs were executed for spying for the Soviet Union, not for their socialism
    Prosecuted by Roy Cohn, who then went to work for Senator Joe McCarthy, and then - in a New York property baron incarnation - went on to mentor Donald Trump.

    A secret homosexual, he died of AIDS in 1986.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,242
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good socialist Kings Speech today I thought. Much better than I expected.

    MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
    No, Monarchy = Toryism.

    State control of most of the economy =Socialism
    Also, destroying valued and popular institutions with centuries of history for no good reason and with no real thought about what to put in their place thereby making everything much worse=Socialism.

    So no wonder most republicans are socialists.
    I think that's something of an exaggeration. There can be few more ardently republican nations on earth than the USA but they hate socialists far more than monarchs.

    It would be more accurate the other way around.
    They hate both, at least in their own country.

    The US was built on a revolution against King George III and his government and there are probably even more socialists in the US now in terms of Bernie Sanders and AOC supporters than Americans who would restore the monarchy
    The Americans haven't recently killed any monarchs, to my knowledge.

    But it's not that long ago they were industriously killing socialists, including in their own country.
    Only 8% of Americans want a monarchy, indeed fractionally more Democrats, 12% want a monarchy than the 8% of Republicans who do.

    In America they don't kill socialists internally, even the un American activities cttee only jailed them at most
    https://today.yougov.com/topics/international/articles-reports/2022/09/16/few-desire-an-american-monarchy-yougov-poll
    The Rosenbergs would wave hello, if they hadn't been executed.
    The Rosenbergs were executed for spying for the Soviet Union, not for their socialism
    You think they were spying for the Soviets for money, a la Ron Pelton?

    Anyway, my point stands. They were socialists who were industriously killed (arguably, industrially killed).
    No. They were not killed for their Socialism but for spying.

    Far right spies who spied for the Nazis would equally have been executed
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,242
    edited December 2022
    DougSeal said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good socialist Kings Speech today I thought. Much better than I expected.

    MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
    No, Monarchy = Toryism.

    State control of most of the economy =Socialism
    Also, destroying valued and popular institutions with centuries of history for no good reason and with no real thought about what to put in their place thereby making everything much worse=Socialism.

    So no wonder most republicans are socialists.
    I think that's something of an exaggeration. There can be few more ardently republican nations on earth than the USA but they hate socialists far more than monarchs.

    It would be more accurate the other way around.
    They hate both, at least in their own country.

    The US was built on a revolution against King George III and his government and there are probably even more socialists in the US now in terms of Bernie Sanders and AOC supporters than Americans who would restore the monarchy
    The Americans haven't recently killed any monarchs, to my knowledge.

    But it's not that long ago they were industriously killing socialists, including in their own country.
    Only 8% of Americans want a monarchy, indeed fractionally more Democrats, 12% want a monarchy than the 8% of Republicans who do.

    In America they don't kill socialists internally, even the un American activities cttee only jailed them at most
    https://today.yougov.com/topics/international/articles-reports/2022/09/16/few-desire-an-american-monarchy-yougov-poll
    The Rosenbergs would wave hello, if they hadn't been executed.
    The Rosenbergs were executed for spying for the Soviet Union, not for their socialism
    The victims of the Matewan massacre were killed for their socialism.
    No, they were killed after they fired at the police.

    By contrast the American colonists killed thousands of British redcoats and loyalists to the Crown in the American War of Independence and thousands of British troops and Canadian Tories in the War of 1812
  • So by my reckoning Gillian Keegan has tweeted that Crypto scam link 50 times this evening.
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,662
    kle4 said:

    I hear there's a remake of "The King's Speech" at 3pm, with someone called [checks notes] "Charles" playing Colin Firth?

    It was an excellent Christmas message. He will turn out to be an excellent King.
    Christmas messages could be easily written by chatbots, with Charles' instruction being 'Reference my mum early, have a message like hers, be jesusy, but not too jesusy. And for gods sake don't mention anyone else by name by name but my eldest son and his wife'.
    You should apply to be his speechwriter....
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good socialist Kings Speech today I thought. Much better than I expected.

    MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
    No, Monarchy = Toryism.

    State control of most of the economy =Socialism
    Also, destroying valued and popular institutions with centuries of history for no good reason and with no real thought about what to put in their place thereby making everything much worse=Socialism.

    So no wonder most republicans are socialists.
    I think that's something of an exaggeration. There can be few more ardently republican nations on earth than the USA but they hate socialists far more than monarchs.

    It would be more accurate the other way around.
    They hate both, at least in their own country.

    The US was built on a revolution against King George III and his government and there are probably even more socialists in the US now in terms of Bernie Sanders and AOC supporters than Americans who would restore the monarchy
    The Americans haven't recently killed any monarchs, to my knowledge.

    But it's not that long ago they were industriously killing socialists, including in their own country.
    Only 8% of Americans want a monarchy, indeed fractionally more Democrats, 12% want a monarchy than the 8% of Republicans who do.

    In America they don't kill socialists internally, even the un American activities cttee only jailed them at most
    https://today.yougov.com/topics/international/articles-reports/2022/09/16/few-desire-an-american-monarchy-yougov-poll
    The Rosenbergs would wave hello, if they hadn't been executed.
    The Rosenbergs were executed for spying for the Soviet Union, not for their socialism
    You think they were spying for the Soviets for money, a la Ron Pelton?

    Anyway, my point stands. They were socialists who were industriously killed (arguably, industrially killed).
    No. They were not killed for their Socialism but for spying.

    Far right spies who spied for the Nazis would equally have been executed
    So you are saying that their socialism, which led to their spying, was irrelevant?

    Incidentally, of the five American citizens convicted by the Americans of spying for Nazi Germany, only one was executed:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hans_Haupt

    Admittedly, he was executed with five Germans.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,242
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good socialist Kings Speech today I thought. Much better than I expected.

    MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
    No, Monarchy = Toryism.

    State control of most of the economy =Socialism
    Also, destroying valued and popular institutions with centuries of history for no good reason and with no real thought about what to put in their place thereby making everything much worse=Socialism.

    So no wonder most republicans are socialists.
    I think that's something of an exaggeration. There can be few more ardently republican nations on earth than the USA but they hate socialists far more than monarchs.

    It would be more accurate the other way around.
    They hate both, at least in their own country.

    The US was built on a revolution against King George III and his government and there are probably even more socialists in the US now in terms of Bernie Sanders and AOC supporters than Americans who would restore the monarchy
    The Americans haven't recently killed any monarchs, to my knowledge.

    But it's not that long ago they were industriously killing socialists, including in their own country.
    Only 8% of Americans want a monarchy, indeed fractionally more Democrats, 12% want a monarchy than the 8% of Republicans who do.

    In America they don't kill socialists internally, even the un American activities cttee only jailed them at most
    https://today.yougov.com/topics/international/articles-reports/2022/09/16/few-desire-an-american-monarchy-yougov-poll
    The Rosenbergs would wave hello, if they hadn't been executed.
    The Rosenbergs were executed for spying for the Soviet Union, not for their socialism
    You think they were spying for the Soviets for money, a la Ron Pelton?

    Anyway, my point stands. They were socialists who were industriously killed (arguably, industrially killed).
    No. They were not killed for their Socialism but for spying.

    Far right spies who spied for the Nazis would equally have been executed
    So you are saying that their socialism, which led to their spying, was irrelevant?

    Incidentally, of the five American citizens convicted by the Americans of spying for Nazi Germany, only one was executed:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hans_Haupt

    Admittedly, he was executed with five Germans.
    Yes as the crime they were convicted of was spying. Had they just been Communists but not spies they would not have been executed.

    Haupt too was executed for spying, not his Fascism
  • ydoethurydoethur Posts: 71,154
    edited December 2022
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good socialist Kings Speech today I thought. Much better than I expected.

    MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
    No, Monarchy = Toryism.

    State control of most of the economy =Socialism
    Also, destroying valued and popular institutions with centuries of history for no good reason and with no real thought about what to put in their place thereby making everything much worse=Socialism.

    So no wonder most republicans are socialists.
    I think that's something of an exaggeration. There can be few more ardently republican nations on earth than the USA but they hate socialists far more than monarchs.

    It would be more accurate the other way around.
    They hate both, at least in their own country.

    The US was built on a revolution against King George III and his government and there are probably even more socialists in the US now in terms of Bernie Sanders and AOC supporters than Americans who would restore the monarchy
    The Americans haven't recently killed any monarchs, to my knowledge.

    But it's not that long ago they were industriously killing socialists, including in their own country.
    Only 8% of Americans want a monarchy, indeed fractionally more Democrats, 12% want a monarchy than the 8% of Republicans who do.

    In America they don't kill socialists internally, even the un American activities cttee only jailed them at most
    https://today.yougov.com/topics/international/articles-reports/2022/09/16/few-desire-an-american-monarchy-yougov-poll
    The Rosenbergs would wave hello, if they hadn't been executed.
    The Rosenbergs were executed for spying for the Soviet Union, not for their socialism
    You think they were spying for the Soviets for money, a la Ron Pelton?

    Anyway, my point stands. They were socialists who were industriously killed (arguably, industrially killed).
    No. They were not killed for their Socialism but for spying.

    Far right spies who spied for the Nazis would equally have been executed
    So you are saying that their socialism, which led to their spying, was irrelevant?

    Incidentally, of the five American citizens convicted by the Americans of spying for Nazi Germany, only one was executed:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hans_Haupt

    Admittedly, he was executed with five Germans.
    Yes as the crime they were convicted of was spying. Had they just been Communists but not spies they would not have been executed.

    Haupt too was executed for spying, not his Fascism
    You missed the point. The other four were not...

    Edit - William Joyce was, of course, in effect executed for being a Nazi and for no other reason. The law was twisted to quite a surprising degree to allow it. But that wasn't the Americans.
  • IanB2IanB2 Posts: 49,774

    It's funny, the MAGA lot never ever question the mental health and abilities of Donald Trump when there's overwhelming evidence that he is quite gaga.


    A bad case there of Leonitis, I’d say.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,584
    ydoethur said:

    Good socialist Kings Speech today I thought. Much better than I expected.

    The location was interesting. St George's Chapel where his mother is interred. A definite emphasis on that link. A carol carefully chosen to finish. And much greater use of film shots from elsewhere than in past years.

    I thought it was actually quite well and tastefully done, if rather empty of anything meaningful.
    The speech contained recognition that most of the country are struggling to keep fed, warm and solvent; praise for those working in public service and the voluntary sector; it highlighted the vital importance of food banks...

    Not so much on the alleged perils of immigration, the need to fight a culture war, incentives for entrepreneurs, cutting taxes, trickle-down or anything else the government might want attention diverted onto.

    Definitely a socialist King's speech; Sunak must be furious.

    That's quite meaningful in my book.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,242
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good socialist Kings Speech today I thought. Much better than I expected.

    MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
    No, Monarchy = Toryism.

    State control of most of the economy =Socialism
    Also, destroying valued and popular institutions with centuries of history for no good reason and with no real thought about what to put in their place thereby making everything much worse=Socialism.

    So no wonder most republicans are socialists.
    I think that's something of an exaggeration. There can be few more ardently republican nations on earth than the USA but they hate socialists far more than monarchs.

    It would be more accurate the other way around.
    They hate both, at least in their own country.

    The US was built on a revolution against King George III and his government and there are probably even more socialists in the US now in terms of Bernie Sanders and AOC supporters than Americans who would restore the monarchy
    The Americans haven't recently killed any monarchs, to my knowledge.

    But it's not that long ago they were industriously killing socialists, including in their own country.
    Only 8% of Americans want a monarchy, indeed fractionally more Democrats, 12% want a monarchy than the 8% of Republicans who do.

    In America they don't kill socialists internally, even the un American activities cttee only jailed them at most
    https://today.yougov.com/topics/international/articles-reports/2022/09/16/few-desire-an-american-monarchy-yougov-poll
    The Rosenbergs would wave hello, if they hadn't been executed.
    The Rosenbergs were executed for spying for the Soviet Union, not for their socialism
    You think they were spying for the Soviets for money, a la Ron Pelton?

    Anyway, my point stands. They were socialists who were industriously killed (arguably, industrially killed).
    No. They were not killed for their Socialism but for spying.

    Far right spies who spied for the Nazis would equally have been executed
    So you are saying that their socialism, which led to their spying, was irrelevant?

    Incidentally, of the five American citizens convicted by the Americans of spying for Nazi Germany, only one was executed:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hans_Haupt

    Admittedly, he was executed with five Germans.
    Yes as the crime they were convicted of was spying. Had they just been Communists but not spies they would not have been executed.

    Haupt too was executed for spying, not his Fascism
    You missed the point. The other four were not...

    Edit - William Joyce was, of course, in effect executed for being a Nazi and for no other reason. The law was twisted to quite a surprising degree to allow it. But that wasn't the Americans.
    Joyce was broadcasting propoganda for the Nazis but he was tried by the British not the Americans so yes irrelevant to this argument.

    The point remains the Americans killed thousands of monarchists and loyalists to the Crown in America in the American revolution and a few in the War of 1812 too.

    Yet we have not been able to identify even a thousand socialists killed by Americans in America.

    As I also said the 8% in the US who want a monarchy is fewer than even would have voted for socialists like Bernie Sanders or AOC
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,242

    ydoethur said:

    Good socialist Kings Speech today I thought. Much better than I expected.

    The location was interesting. St George's Chapel where his mother is interred. A definite emphasis on that link. A carol carefully chosen to finish. And much greater use of film shots from elsewhere than in past years.

    I thought it was actually quite well and tastefully done, if rather empty of anything meaningful.
    The speech contained recognition that most of the country are struggling to keep fed, warm and solvent; praise for those working in public service and the voluntary sector; it highlighted the vital importance of food banks...

    Not so much on the alleged perils of immigration, the need to fight a culture war, incentives for entrepreneurs, cutting taxes, trickle-down or anything else the government might want attention diverted onto.

    Definitely a socialist King's speech; Sunak must be furious.

    That's quite meaningful in my book.
    It praised foodbanks and some Tories like Rees Mogg like foodbanks as they reduce welfare dependence.

    It also took place in a Church of England Chapel and was delivered by the King, so obviously a Tory speech
  • bigjohnowlsbigjohnowls Posts: 22,637
    Merry Christmas to all PBer's

    Top two Socialists Jesus and Santa are although one is clearly fictional


    Other one definitely exists.

    I have been to Lapland with my daughter and seen him!!!
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,584
    edited December 2022
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Good socialist Kings Speech today I thought. Much better than I expected.

    The location was interesting. St George's Chapel where his mother is interred. A definite emphasis on that link. A carol carefully chosen to finish. And much greater use of film shots from elsewhere than in past years.

    I thought it was actually quite well and tastefully done, if rather empty of anything meaningful.
    The speech contained recognition that most of the country are struggling to keep fed, warm and solvent; praise for those working in public service and the voluntary sector; it highlighted the vital importance of food banks...

    Not so much on the alleged perils of immigration, the need to fight a culture war, incentives for entrepreneurs, cutting taxes, trickle-down or anything else the government might want attention diverted onto.

    Definitely a socialist King's speech; Sunak must be furious.

    That's quite meaningful in my book.
    It praised foodbanks and some Tories like Rees Mogg like foodbanks as they reduce welfare dependence.

    It also took place in a Church of England Chapel and was delivered by the King, so obviously a Tory speech
    Please explain to me how foodbanks reduce welfare dependence? How much has been saved off the welfare bill would you say?
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    ydoethur said:

    I have been reliably informed that the Education Secretary's Twitter account has been hacked by some Cryptocurrency scammers.

    I'm sure this could be an allegory for something.

    Edit proof

    https://twitter.com/GillianKeegan/status/1607096476433518592

    Nota bene, do not click the link inside that tweet.

    I do hope she hasn't absent mindedly blown the entire DfE budget buying crypto.
    Would it be better or worse if it's been done as considered government policy? It's one way of closing the budget gap.

    (Didn't Sunak plan some sort of Rishicoin back when he was Chancellor?)
    It is inconceivable that it would be considered government policy.

    That would imply this government has policies that are considered.
    Many governments are looking at issuing cryptocurrencies - the idea of a currency with a transaction history has some interesting effects for black market stuff.

    Once again - the problem with what people are calling crypto at the moment is that everyone in the markets currently seems to be a crook or a mark. The concept of crypto currencies themselves isn’t the problem.
    And our government issuing such a currency would resolve that problem - how, exactly?
    Government is what happens when crime gets really, really organised.

    The pound in your pocket is a promise to pay for stuff.

    Imagine you had a marker on a Mafia Capo. But this Capo has a rep that stretches back a millennia. And his boys pack nuclear weapons.

    The DfE is just the bit run by that idiot cousin from Florida. Because he was way way too dum to run the numbers or the garbage rackets.
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,242

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Good socialist Kings Speech today I thought. Much better than I expected.

    The location was interesting. St George's Chapel where his mother is interred. A definite emphasis on that link. A carol carefully chosen to finish. And much greater use of film shots from elsewhere than in past years.

    I thought it was actually quite well and tastefully done, if rather empty of anything meaningful.
    The speech contained recognition that most of the country are struggling to keep fed, warm and solvent; praise for those working in public service and the voluntary sector; it highlighted the vital importance of food banks...

    Not so much on the alleged perils of immigration, the need to fight a culture war, incentives for entrepreneurs, cutting taxes, trickle-down or anything else the government might want attention diverted onto.

    Definitely a socialist King's speech; Sunak must be furious.

    That's quite meaningful in my book.
    It praised foodbanks and some Tories like Rees Mogg like foodbanks as they reduce welfare dependence.

    It also took place in a Church of England Chapel and was delivered by the King, so obviously a Tory speech
    Please explain to me how foodbanks reduce welfare dependence? How much has been saved off the welfare bill would you say?
    Well in theory the more the poor get their food from foodbanks and charity the less they need to get it from taxpayer funded welfare like universal credit.

    Not saying I agree with that necessarily but that is the theory
  • FishingFishing Posts: 4,947
    edited December 2022
    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good socialist Kings Speech today I thought. Much better than I expected.

    MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
    No, Monarchy = Toryism.

    State control of most of the economy =Socialism
    Also, destroying valued and popular institutions with centuries of history for no good reason and with no real thought about what to put in their place thereby making everything much worse=Socialism.

    So no wonder most republicans are socialists.
    I think that's something of an exaggeration. There can be few more ardently republican nations on earth than the USA but they hate socialists far more than monarchs.

    It would be more accurate the other way around.
    They hate both, at least in their own country.

    The US was built on a revolution against King George III and his government and there are probably even more socialists in the US now in terms of Bernie Sanders and AOC supporters than Americans who would restore the monarchy
    You're right, they've spent two centuries justifying their treason by pretending that the British monarchy was the worst of the worst. Otherwise they'd have to invalidate their own existence as a country and beg the King's pardon.

    Interestingly, I'm in Brazil at the moment, which is another country with a distinctly ambivalent relationship with its last monarch. There are streets named after him and statues and so on, but a restoration seems somewhat unlikely here, too. So they have to choose between a crook and a fascist to lead them every few years, like the French Republic or the Republic of Italy.
  • BenpointerBenpointer Posts: 34,584
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Good socialist Kings Speech today I thought. Much better than I expected.

    The location was interesting. St George's Chapel where his mother is interred. A definite emphasis on that link. A carol carefully chosen to finish. And much greater use of film shots from elsewhere than in past years.

    I thought it was actually quite well and tastefully done, if rather empty of anything meaningful.
    The speech contained recognition that most of the country are struggling to keep fed, warm and solvent; praise for those working in public service and the voluntary sector; it highlighted the vital importance of food banks...

    Not so much on the alleged perils of immigration, the need to fight a culture war, incentives for entrepreneurs, cutting taxes, trickle-down or anything else the government might want attention diverted onto.

    Definitely a socialist King's speech; Sunak must be furious.

    That's quite meaningful in my book.
    It praised foodbanks and some Tories like Rees Mogg like foodbanks as they reduce welfare dependence.

    It also took place in a Church of England Chapel and was delivered by the King, so obviously a Tory speech
    Please explain to me how foodbanks reduce welfare dependence? How much has been saved off the welfare bill would you say?
    Well in theory the more the poor get their food from foodbanks and charity the less they need to get it from taxpayer funded welfare like universal credit.

    Not saying I agree with that necessarily but that is the theory
    On that basis you must be proud of that one achievements of the past 12.5 years of Tory government:

    image
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 122,242

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Good socialist Kings Speech today I thought. Much better than I expected.

    The location was interesting. St George's Chapel where his mother is interred. A definite emphasis on that link. A carol carefully chosen to finish. And much greater use of film shots from elsewhere than in past years.

    I thought it was actually quite well and tastefully done, if rather empty of anything meaningful.
    The speech contained recognition that most of the country are struggling to keep fed, warm and solvent; praise for those working in public service and the voluntary sector; it highlighted the vital importance of food banks...

    Not so much on the alleged perils of immigration, the need to fight a culture war, incentives for entrepreneurs, cutting taxes, trickle-down or anything else the government might want attention diverted onto.

    Definitely a socialist King's speech; Sunak must be furious.

    That's quite meaningful in my book.
    It praised foodbanks and some Tories like Rees Mogg like foodbanks as they reduce welfare dependence.

    It also took place in a Church of England Chapel and was delivered by the King, so obviously a Tory speech
    Please explain to me how foodbanks reduce welfare dependence? How much has been saved off the welfare bill would you say?
    Well in theory the more the poor get their food from foodbanks and charity the less they need to get it from taxpayer funded welfare like universal credit.

    Not saying I agree with that necessarily but that is the theory
    On that basis you must be proud of that one achievements of the past 12.5 years of Tory government:

    image
    And unemployment halved from the 8% the last Labour government left in 2010 to 4% now
  • GardenwalkerGardenwalker Posts: 21,257
    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Good socialist Kings Speech today I thought. Much better than I expected.

    The location was interesting. St George's Chapel where his mother is interred. A definite emphasis on that link. A carol carefully chosen to finish. And much greater use of film shots from elsewhere than in past years.

    I thought it was actually quite well and tastefully done, if rather empty of anything meaningful.
    The speech contained recognition that most of the country are struggling to keep fed, warm and solvent; praise for those working in public service and the voluntary sector; it highlighted the vital importance of food banks...

    Not so much on the alleged perils of immigration, the need to fight a culture war, incentives for entrepreneurs, cutting taxes, trickle-down or anything else the government might want attention diverted onto.

    Definitely a socialist King's speech; Sunak must be furious.

    That's quite meaningful in my book.
    It praised foodbanks and some Tories like Rees Mogg like foodbanks as they reduce welfare dependence.

    It also took place in a Church of England Chapel and was delivered by the King, so obviously a Tory speech
    Please explain to me how foodbanks reduce welfare dependence? How much has been saved off the welfare bill would you say?
    Well in theory the more the poor get their food from foodbanks and charity the less they need to get it from taxpayer funded welfare like universal credit.

    Not saying I agree with that necessarily but that is the theory
    On that basis you must be proud of that one achievements of the past 12.5 years of Tory government:

    image
    And unemployment halved from the 8% the last Labour government left in 2010 to 4% now
    The Tories seem to have invented a new category of deprivation: the hungry precariat.
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 49,586
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good socialist Kings Speech today I thought. Much better than I expected.

    MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
    No, Monarchy = Toryism.

    State control of most of the economy =Socialism
    Also, destroying valued and popular institutions with centuries of history for no good reason and with no real thought about what to put in their place thereby making everything much worse=Socialism.

    So no wonder most republicans are socialists.
    I think that's something of an exaggeration. There can be few more ardently republican nations on earth than the USA but they hate socialists far more than monarchs.

    It would be more accurate the other way around.
    They hate both, at least in their own country.

    The US was built on a revolution against King George III and his government and there are probably even more socialists in the US now in terms of Bernie Sanders and AOC supporters than Americans who would restore the monarchy
    The Americans haven't recently killed any monarchs, to my knowledge.

    But it's not that long ago they were industriously killing socialists, including in their own country.
    Only 8% of Americans want a monarchy, indeed fractionally more Democrats, 12% want a monarchy than the 8% of Republicans who do.

    In America they don't kill socialists internally, even the un American activities cttee only jailed them at most
    https://today.yougov.com/topics/international/articles-reports/2022/09/16/few-desire-an-american-monarchy-yougov-poll
    The Rosenbergs would wave hello, if they hadn't been executed.
    The Rosenbergs were executed for spying for the Soviet Union, not for their socialism
    You think they were spying for the Soviets for money, a la Ron Pelton?

    Anyway, my point stands. They were socialists who were industriously killed (arguably, industrially killed).
    No. They were not killed for their Socialism but for spying.

    Far right spies who spied for the Nazis would equally have been executed
    So you are saying that their socialism, which led to their spying, was irrelevant?

    Incidentally, of the five American citizens convicted by the Americans of spying for Nazi Germany, only one was executed:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbert_Hans_Haupt

    Admittedly, he was executed with five Germans.
    Yes as the crime they were convicted of was spying. Had they just been Communists but not spies they would not have been executed.

    Haupt too was executed for spying, not his Fascism
    You missed the point. The other four were not...

    Edit - William Joyce was, of course, in effect executed for being a Nazi and for no other reason. The law was twisted to quite a surprising degree to allow it. But that wasn't the Americans.
    The majority of Nazi spies weren’t executed in the U.K. either. This is because they were offered

    1) A fair trial, a short drop and a sudden stop.
    2) Change sides.

    Nearly all of them chose 2)

    The trials for those that opted for 1) are interesting - full jury and a proper defence. The whole held in camera.

    This was despite the fact that any leak about the trials could have collapsed the Double Cross system - the elaborate methodology by which British intelligence used code breaking, deception and double agents to control large ares of the Germans knowledge of what was happening. Because they listened into what the Germans had found out and discovered so far, they could tune the disinformation very accurately. Perhaps one of the most valuable allied secrets of the war.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Fishing said:

    HYUFD said:

    Good socialist Kings Speech today I thought. Much better than I expected.

    MONARCHY = SOCIALISM!
    No, Monarchy = Toryism.

    State control of most of the economy =Socialism
    Also, destroying valued and popular institutions with centuries of history for no good reason and with no real thought about what to put in their place thereby making everything much worse=Socialism.

    So no wonder most republicans are socialists.
    I think that's something of an exaggeration. There can be few more ardently republican nations on earth than the USA but they hate socialists far more than monarchs.

    It would be more accurate the other way around.
    They hate both, at least in their own country.

    The US was built on a revolution against King George III and his government and there are probably even more socialists in the US now in terms of Bernie Sanders and AOC supporters than Americans who would restore the monarchy
    The Americans haven't recently killed any monarchs, to my knowledge.

    But it's not that long ago they were industriously killing socialists, including in their own country.
    Only 8% of Americans want a monarchy, indeed fractionally more Democrats, 12% want a monarchy than the 8% of Republicans who do.

    In America they don't kill socialists internally, even the un American activities cttee only jailed them at most
    https://today.yougov.com/topics/international/articles-reports/2022/09/16/few-desire-an-american-monarchy-yougov-poll
    The Rosenbergs would wave hello, if they hadn't been executed.
    The Rosenbergs were executed for spying for the Soviet Union, not for their socialism
    You think they were spying for the Soviets for money, a la Ron Pelton?

    Anyway, my point stands. They were socialists who were industriously killed (arguably, industrially killed).
    While the way the trial was conducted and the sentences imposed were deeply controversial, it seems from later evidence that they were Soviet spies.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julius_and_Ethel_Rosenberg#Later_developments

    Had they been spies and not communists (or communists and not spies) they wouldn’t have been executed.
  • I've had a bit of a weird Christmas day. Just me and my folks

    We ate baked fishes. Cod inside haddock inside salmon

    We're having proper Christmas tomorrow, when my sister, nephew and new brother in law come over

    My Mum has accidentally bought two turkeys online. We have turkey for sixteen, for six

    Last night I continued a recent family Christmas Eve tradition and cooked a curry for my parents. I made a black lentil and chickpea curry, roasted and spiced sweet potato and butternut squash, parsnip bhajis, and yoghurt marinated lamb kebabs

    I didn't realise until this morning that I managed to drink ten cans of beer while I was cooking that dinner. How it just made it to the table, let alone actually being delicious once it made it there, is a mystery
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,156
    Happy Christmas everyone.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    HYUFD said:

    ydoethur said:

    Good socialist Kings Speech today I thought. Much better than I expected.

    The location was interesting. St George's Chapel where his mother is interred. A definite emphasis on that link. A carol carefully chosen to finish. And much greater use of film shots from elsewhere than in past years.

    I thought it was actually quite well and tastefully done, if rather empty of anything meaningful.
    The speech contained recognition that most of the country are struggling to keep fed, warm and solvent; praise for those working in public service and the voluntary sector; it highlighted the vital importance of food banks...

    Not so much on the alleged perils of immigration, the need to fight a culture war, incentives for entrepreneurs, cutting taxes, trickle-down or anything else the government might want attention diverted onto.

    Definitely a socialist King's speech; Sunak must be furious.

    That's quite meaningful in my book.
    It praised foodbanks and some Tories like Rees Mogg like foodbanks as they reduce welfare dependence.

    It also took place in a Church of England Chapel and was delivered by the King, so obviously a Tory speech
    Please explain to me how foodbanks reduce welfare dependence? How much has been saved off the welfare bill would you say?
    Well in theory the more the poor get their food from foodbanks and charity the less they need to get it from taxpayer funded welfare like universal credit.

    Not saying I agree with that necessarily but that is the theory
    On that basis you must be proud of that one achievements of the past 12.5 years of Tory government:

    image
    And unemployment halved from the 8% the last Labour government left in 2010 to 4% now
    The Tories seem to have invented a new category of deprivation: the hungry precariat.
    The low unemployment figure disguises a very large number of non working, but working age individuals who have for various reasons left the workforce.

    The Tories themselves have recognised that, with Mel Stride deputed to make some efforts to encourage some of the over 50s back.
    https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/dec/24/uk-government-looks-to-lure-early-retirees-back-to-work-reports-say
  • SeaShantyIrish2SeaShantyIrish2 Posts: 17,543
    edited December 2022
    Since it was mentioned - and misinterpreted - on here:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Matewan

    And here is clip from movie "Matewan" portraying the Massacre/Battle:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PvVWWFRW0mw

    Addendum: Matewan Massacre 100 Year Anniversary

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2cmO86NxqU
  • BlancheLivermoreBlancheLivermore Posts: 5,830
    edited December 2022
    Before the thread ends I must thank @stjohn for another fun crossword

    I used to do them all the time, but I don't think I've looked at one since last year's PB one
  • FT has helpfully posted graphs that prove austerity and the Tories have ran the economy into the ground since 2010.

    Under Labour NHS satisfaction was at record levels, over 90% of people got seen within 4 hours, health spending was at the average with Europe, homelessness was virtually eliminated, debt to GDP was historically low, immigration was more under control, we were happier.

    Bring back New Labour.
  • stjohn said:

    Thanks to everyone who had a go at the crossword and for the positive comments. Sorry I wasn’t around to confirm the last few clues. Looks like it all came together. Thanks again to Mike, TSE and Robert and all the PB team for allowing me to do this. I really enjoy my annual moment of “fame”.

    See you next year! That’s all folks! 😀

    Why did you gallop off to the Galapagos? Please do NOT pester the tortoises!

    Happy Boxing Day! But, again, do NOT pick any fights!!
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,231

    I've had a bit of a weird Christmas day. Just me and my folks

    We ate baked fishes. Cod inside haddock inside salmon

    We're having proper Christmas tomorrow, when my sister, nephew and new brother in law come over

    My Mum has accidentally bought two turkeys online. We have turkey for sixteen, for six

    Last night I continued a recent family Christmas Eve tradition and cooked a curry for my parents. I made a black lentil and chickpea curry, roasted and spiced sweet potato and butternut squash, parsnip bhajis, and yoghurt marinated lamb kebabs

    I didn't realise until this morning that I managed to drink ten cans of beer while I was cooking that dinner. How it just made it to the table, let alone actually being delicious once it made it there, is a mystery

    Any chance of you sharing the parsnip bhaji recipe, sounds amazing!
  • I've had a bit of a weird Christmas day. Just me and my folks

    We ate baked fishes. Cod inside haddock inside salmon

    We're having proper Christmas tomorrow, when my sister, nephew and new brother in law come over

    My Mum has accidentally bought two turkeys online. We have turkey for sixteen, for six

    Last night I continued a recent family Christmas Eve tradition and cooked a curry for my parents. I made a black lentil and chickpea curry, roasted and spiced sweet potato and butternut squash, parsnip bhajis, and yoghurt marinated lamb kebabs

    I didn't realise until this morning that I managed to drink ten cans of beer while I was cooking that dinner. How it just made it to the table, let alone actually being delicious once it made it there, is a mystery

    Any chance of you sharing the parsnip bhaji recipe, sounds amazing!
    It’s a recipe I made up and it doesn’t have accurate measurements

    Yesterday I grated two small parsnips, and chopped two onions very finely. I added a couple of tablespoons of finely chopped garlic, ginger and chilli, and a couple of teaspoons of garam masala. Then added and stirred in just enough chickpea flour and water to make a sticky dough around it, so I could make spoonfuls that didn’t fall apart. Then I deep fried those spoonfuls in ghee

  • I've had a bit of a weird Christmas day. Just me and my folks

    We ate baked fishes. Cod inside haddock inside salmon

    We're having proper Christmas tomorrow, when my sister, nephew and new brother in law come over

    My Mum has accidentally bought two turkeys online. We have turkey for sixteen, for six

    Last night I continued a recent family Christmas Eve tradition and cooked a curry for my parents. I made a black lentil and chickpea curry, roasted and spiced sweet potato and butternut squash, parsnip bhajis, and yoghurt marinated lamb kebabs

    I didn't realise until this morning that I managed to drink ten cans of beer while I was cooking that dinner. How it just made it to the table, let alone actually being delicious once it made it there, is a mystery

    Any chance of you sharing the parsnip bhaji recipe, sounds amazing!
    It’s a recipe I made up and it doesn’t have accurate measurements

    Yesterday I grated two small parsnips, and chopped two onions very finely. I added a couple of tablespoons of finely chopped garlic, ginger and chilli, and a couple of teaspoons of garam masala. Then added and stirred in just enough chickpea flour and water to make a sticky dough around it, so I could make spoonfuls that didn’t fall apart. Then I deep fried those spoonfuls in ghee

    In fact, it was one tablespoon, two dessertspoons, of garlic/ginger/chilli

    When I cook curry, the first thing I do is chop loads of garlic, ginger and chilli, mix them together, and then spoon them into things. I use it liberally in almost everything curry
  • I can't be the only person who makes chickpea flour based bhajis deep fried in ghee?
  • How many people on PB cooked with ghee this year?
  • carnforthcarnforth Posts: 4,488
    Can't go to bed due to indigestion, which I never normally get. Happy Christmas PB!
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,156
    Australia vs South Africa has just started.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/cricket/63894120
  • Nobody asked, but I'm sure you're all desperate to know the lentil and chickpea curry recipe..

    I boiled six large tomatoes, cut in half, in vegetable stock, for about ten minutes. Then I mashed them, and boiled them for a few minutes more. Then I forced them through a sieve

    During this time, I turned the oven on to 150c. Once heated I added a tray of chickpeas with a spoon of ghee and a sprinkling of garam masala

    I also boiled black lentils with garlic/ginger/chilli

    I then fried mustard and cumin seeds in ghee until they started to pop, then added garlic/ginger/chilli, then onions, then the tomato sauce, then the lentils and chickpeas
  • GIN1138GIN1138 Posts: 22,152
    Merry Christmas PB.

    Hope you've all had a lovely day :)
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513

    Nobody asked, but I'm sure you're all desperate to know the lentil and chickpea curry recipe..

    I boiled six large tomatoes, cut in half, in vegetable stock, for about ten minutes. Then I mashed them, and boiled them for a few minutes more. Then I forced them through a sieve

    During this time, I turned the oven on to 150c. Once heated I added a tray of chickpeas with a spoon of ghee and a sprinkling of garam masala

    I also boiled black lentils with garlic/ginger/chilli

    I then fried mustard and cumin seeds in ghee until they started to pop, then added garlic/ginger/chilli, then onions, then the tomato sauce, then the lentils and chickpeas

    Sounds amazing.
    Yet another recipe which makes me sad about my allergy to chilli.
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    edited December 2022
    One antiviral whose emergency authorisation should very probably be withdrawn.

    Just out @TheLancet
    Failure of Molnupiravir to reduce Covid hospitalizations or deaths in a very large randomized trial (N>25,000 participants, mean age 57, 99% vaccinated)

    https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1606069574851383296

    It also has the effect of increasing viral mutation rates.
    While the time to recovery was shortened, the price to pay is a very high rate of #SARSCoV2 mutations induced (its obligatory mechanism). That alarming rate has been amply documented by @LongDesertTrain
  • NigelbNigelb Posts: 70,513
    Happy Christmas @NickPalmer and @Dura_Ace (with apologies for the @ to the latter).

    Senate unanimously passed the bipartisan legislation, authored by
    @CoryBooker & @RandPaul:
    #FDA Modernization Act, ending outdated mandatory animal testing requirements by @US_FDA, set in place in 1938, before invention of digital computers! Congrats everyone!
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