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LAB lead in Redwall seats now up to 15% – politicalbetting.com

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edited August 2022 in General
LAB lead in Redwall seats now up to 15% – politicalbetting.com

Labour lead by 15% in the Red Wall.Red Wall Voting Intention (8 August):Labour 48% (+3)Conservative 33% (-1)Liberal Democrat 7% (-3)Reform UK 6% (+3)Green 5% (–)Other 1% (-2)Plaid Cymru 1% (–)Changes +/- 25-26 Julyhttps://t.co/AKcGfNNr3a pic.twitter.com/0f7uExUIkB

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  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,690
    Really not surprising
  • MattWMattW Posts: 24,002
    2nd.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,655
    Seems very stable since April in spite of all the dotted circles of news.
  • Stark_DawningStark_Dawning Posts: 9,716
    The question is: is the Red Wall immune from the Truss magic or has the spell yet to be woven?
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,089
    edited August 2022
    I wonder how labour will regards this. As sinners who are repenting or will they realise they need to make a worthwhile offer to the red wall to keep this advantage. For many years these areas have just regularly voted labour and labour took them for granted.
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,655
    Taz said:

    I wonder how labour will regards this. As sinners who are repenting or will they realise they need to make a worthwhile offer to the red wall to keep this advantage. For many years these areas have just regularly voted labour and labour took them for granted.

    The Tories also took them for granted. The problem is that asking for bags of money to be spent locally in the North and the more scuffed parts of the Midlands is not a winning strategy in any of the other regions that have votes.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,492
    Ten minutes before the hustings, we have a new thread on Red Wall seats? Really?
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651
    edited August 2022
    Why doesn't Donald Trump go to court citing the 4th amendment? He is such a crybaby.

    After four years of standing behind Trump looking as though he was eating a turd while the failed casino owner made ever crazier statements, Mike Pence is now making a different kind of fool of himself as a tweet cowboy. So what if a raid on a former president's home is "unprecedented"? Impeaching a president twice was unprecedented too. The number of grand jury investigations into a former president is probably also unprecedented. If a raid is justified, it's justified, whoever's house it is. Trump is supposed to be a billionaire. He should go to court or shut his mouth.

    What documents might he have stolen, or tried to conceal, and why?

    If he comes to trial, one parallel that might come to mind for his demeanour would be the courtroom behaviour of Saddam Hussein - and then some.
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,762
    Don't have much sympathy with TfL.

    I looked to employ one once on a higher headline salary but they couldn't move - why? They get 30-35% employer contributions of gross salary into a final salary pensions pot, and take it from the age of 55.

    To put that in context most private employer's offer 5-6% contributions to a stakeholder pension that is targeted at 65 (although admittedly you can take a - much smaller - cut earlier).

    TfL employees have a fair headline salary, even if 10-15% below the best private sector rates it's for greatly reduced weekly working hours and with at least 29 days holiday, and their mouths are stuffed with gold.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,492
    Betfair next prime minister
    1.11 Liz Truss 90%
    9.6 Rishi Sunak 10%

    Next Conservative leader
    1.11 Liz Truss 90%
    10 Rishi Sunak 10%
  • Andy_JSAndy_JS Posts: 32,982
    FPT
    PantherDave said:

    Anyone got a live link to the hustings this evening 7 pm at Darlington? All the previous ones have been on youtube but I'm not finding anything......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOf3M97FpZc
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,762
    On topic, such leads don't make sense in the context of narrow nationwide Labour leads.

    It's either a small sample size introducing modelling error or a function of higher propensity to vote for existing Labour supporters there, and previous Tories moving to "don't know", or a mixture of the two.

    There's probably only a modest direct Labour> Con switch.
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,089
    edited August 2022
    EPG said:

    Taz said:

    I wonder how labour will regards this. As sinners who are repenting or will they realise they need to make a worthwhile offer to the red wall to keep this advantage. For many years these areas have just regularly voted labour and labour took them for granted.

    The Tories also took them for granted. The problem is that asking for bags of money to be spent locally in the North and the more scuffed parts of the Midlands is not a winning strategy in any of the other regions that have votes.
    The Tories just neglected these areas for many years simply because they didn’t vote for them. Now they have, they need to do something more than Brexit and talk about It.

    The current policy of lavishing money on London and the south east while neglecting other parts of the nation is hardly a vote winner for the other regions either.
  • Big_G_NorthWalesBig_G_NorthWales Posts: 63,690
    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    PantherDave said:

    Anyone got a live link to the hustings this evening 7 pm at Darlington? All the previous ones have been on youtube but I'm not finding anything......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOf3M97FpZc
    Sky 526
  • TazTaz Posts: 15,089
    Casino_Royale said:

    On topic, such leads don't make sense in the context of narrow nationwide Labour leads.

    It's either a small sample size introducing modelling error or a function of higher propensity to vote for existing Labour supporters there, and previous Tories moving to "don't know", or a mixture of the two.

    There's probably only a modest direct Labour> Con switch.

    Con voters switching to won’t vote probably.
  • DynamoDynamo Posts: 651
    EPG said:

    Taz said:

    I wonder how labour will regards this. As sinners who are repenting or will they realise they need to make a worthwhile offer to the red wall to keep this advantage. For many years these areas have just regularly voted labour and labour took them for granted.

    The Tories also took them for granted. The problem is that asking for bags of money to be spent locally in the North and the more scuffed parts of the Midlands is not a winning strategy in any of the other regions that have votes.
    Irregular verb no. 7039:

    "We concentrate our campaigning efforts on swing voters.
    You take your core for granted".

    All the main parties do both of these things.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,492
    Big_G_NorthWales said:

    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    PantherDave said:

    Anyone got a live link to the hustings this evening 7 pm at Darlington? All the previous ones have been on youtube but I'm not finding anything......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOf3M97FpZc
    Sky 526
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qEBA5h8RQQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D82FzytVq3k
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMmQnGLxXN0
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otepcI2FlZ8

    and no doubt others.

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited August 2022
    Casino_Royale said:

    On topic, such leads don't make sense in the context of narrow nationwide Labour leads.

    It's either a small sample size introducing modelling error or a function of higher propensity to vote for existing Labour supporters there, and previous Tories moving to "don't know", or a mixture of the two.

    There's probably only a modest direct Labour> Con switch.

    The data suggests almost complete Lab 2019 will vote and just 55% Con 2019. Therein the difference. Those that lent their vote not currently keen.
    6% reform UK is horse shit though, they'll barely stand
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,935
    Andy_JS said:

    FPT

    PantherDave said:

    Anyone got a live link to the hustings this evening 7 pm at Darlington? All the previous ones have been on youtube but I'm not finding anything......

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOf3M97FpZc
    Thanks. Mike Smithson moderating?
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,102
    Truss seems to do better in the redwall seats than Sunak so should cut back Labour's redwall lead a bit
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,935
    Zero applause for Boris's record. :lol:
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,963
    Taz said:

    I wonder how labour will regards this. As sinners who are repenting or will they realise they need to make a worthwhile offer to the red wall to keep this advantage. For many years these areas have just regularly voted labour and labour took them for granted.

    Labour detest white van, Flag of St George bigots. I suspect Rishi Rich isn't keen either. Only Liz is the working class bigot's friend.
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    If only useless Starmer would quit we could have RLB
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,492
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    If only useless Starmer would quit we could have RLB

    RLB is a better speaker than Keir Starmer, so there's that.
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    If only useless Starmer would quit we could have RLB

    RLB is a better speaker than Keir Starmer, so there's that.
    So is Corbyn. I don’t want him back
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,700
    edited August 2022
    Mexicanpete said:

    Taz said:

    I wonder how labour will regards this. As sinners who are repenting or will they realise they need to make a worthwhile offer to the red wall to keep this advantage. For many years these areas have just regularly voted labour and labour took them for granted.

    Labour detest white van, Flag of St George bigots. I suspect Rishi Rich isn't keen either. Only Liz is the working class bigot's friend.
    Having just watched the commonwealth games with England competing under same Flag of St George, I think calling them bigots is a stretch.
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    HYUFD said:

    Truss seems to do better in the redwall seats than Sunak so should cut back Labour's redwall lead a bit

    The Tories are currently polling worse there than Labour did in its worst loss since 1935!
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,700
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    HYUFD said:

    Truss seems to do better in the redwall seats than Sunak so should cut back Labour's redwall lead a bit

    The Tories are currently polling worse there than Labour did in its worst loss since 1935!
    Mid term. Doesn’t mean they will recover to win, but chances are the gap will close somewhat.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,592
    HYUFD said:

    Truss seems to do better in the redwall seats than Sunak so should cut back Labour's redwall lead a bit

    That’s because she hasn’t said Redwall money should be spent in Tunbridge Wells instead
  • CorrectHorseBatteryCorrectHorseBattery Posts: 21,436
    turbotubbs said:

    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    HYUFD said:

    Truss seems to do better in the redwall seats than Sunak so should cut back Labour's redwall lead a bit

    The Tories are currently polling worse there than Labour did in its worst loss since 1935!
    Mid term. Doesn’t mean they will recover to win, but chances are the gap will close somewhat.
    There’s no reason they have to recover. Perhaps it will get worse
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Sunak verging on Sheffield in that intro and his jokes are getting even lamer
  • EPGEPG Posts: 6,655
    Taz said:

    EPG said:

    Taz said:

    I wonder how labour will regards this. As sinners who are repenting or will they realise they need to make a worthwhile offer to the red wall to keep this advantage. For many years these areas have just regularly voted labour and labour took them for granted.

    The Tories also took them for granted. The problem is that asking for bags of money to be spent locally in the North and the more scuffed parts of the Midlands is not a winning strategy in any of the other regions that have votes.
    The Tories just neglected these areas for many years simply because they didn’t vote for them. Now they have, they need to do something more than Brexit and talk about It.

    The current policy of lavishing money on London and the south east while neglecting other parts of the nation is hardly a vote winner for the other regions either.
    The money spent on London (say, TfL) repays itself through inward migration of young workers who don't use the really costly public services, like hospitals. The money one may spend in Ashfield pays for a few English people to switch their place of residence perhaps, but with a much more zero-sum outcome? Also there are a few tens of millions of people in the South East broadly defined, though they don't vote a single party.
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,422
    Sunaks been on the sugar again
  • Casino_RoyaleCasino_Royale Posts: 60,762
    wooliedyed said:

    Casino_Royale said:

    On topic, such leads don't make sense in the context of narrow nationwide Labour leads.

    It's either a small sample size introducing modelling error or a function of higher propensity to vote for existing Labour supporters there, and previous Tories moving to "don't know", or a mixture of the two.

    There's probably only a modest direct Labour> Con switch.

    The data suggests almost complete Lab 2019 will vote and just 55% Con 2019. Therein the difference. Those that lent their vote not currently keen.
    6% reform UK is horse shit though, they'll barely stand
    Thanks. Midterm.

    Lots of those will firm up as the GE approaches (assuming Truss doesn't completely shit the bed, which is perfectly possible) so the lead should converge substantially.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,492
    IshmaelZ said:

    Sunak verging on Sheffield in that intro and his jokes are getting even lamer

    At least he has written some new material over the weekend. The parmo schtick will go down well in the North-East but will mystify the rest of the country.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    The best way to reduce inequality is send your son to Winchester

    Of course
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,492
    Pulpstar said:

    Sunaks been on the sugar again

    As long as it is not icing sugar :wink:
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,640
    He hasn't mentioned how to pay the gas bill yet!
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,929
    HYUFD said:

    Truss seems to do better in the redwall seats than Sunak so should cut back Labour's redwall lead a bit

    Surely she'll only do that if she's more popular than Boris there?
  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    eek said:

    HYUFD said:

    Truss seems to do better in the redwall seats than Sunak so should cut back Labour's redwall lead a bit

    That’s because she hasn’t said Redwall money should be spent in Tunbridge Wells instead
    She's not off the hook. Sunak's comments were in the past tense, about the actions of a government that Truss and Sunak were both members of, and she hasn't sought to deny his claims. The only distinction between her and Sunak is that he is the one that let the cat out of the bag.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Sunak verging on Sheffield in that intro and his jokes are getting even lamer

    At least he has written some new material over the weekend. The parmo schtick will go down well in the North-East but will mystify the rest of the country.
    Do we think he would recognise a parmo in an identity parade?

    That "our women" grated like fuck last time. Really poor.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,146
    Dynamo said:

    Why doesn't Donald Trump go to court citing the 4th amendment? He is such a crybaby.

    After four years of standing behind Trump looking as though he was eating a turd while the failed casino owner made ever crazier statements, Mike Pence is now making a different kind of fool of himself as a tweet cowboy. So what if a raid on a former president's home is "unprecedented"? Impeaching a president twice was unprecedented too. The number of grand jury investigations into a former president is probably also unprecedented. If a raid is justified, it's justified, whoever's house it is. Trump is supposed to be a billionaire. He should go to court or shut his mouth.

    What documents might he have stolen, or tried to conceal, and why?

    If he comes to trial, one parallel that might come to mind for his demeanour would be the courtroom behaviour of Saddam Hussein - and then some.

    I am hoping for an Alex Jones moment myself.

    "You do realise that your defence team sent me transcripts of your entire mobile phone record during your term of office?"

    Trump: gulp...
  • PulpstarPulpstar Posts: 78,422
    londonpubman said:

    He hasn't mentioned how to pay the gas bill yet!

    Just told my daughter she's going to pick up the tab for it
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited August 2022
    The data tables suggest that there is some not insignificant direct switch con to lab, enough for a few % swing and, on UNS regaining maybe half the 40 seats. However, compounding that is a trash 53% 2019 voter retention for Con versus 84% Labour retention which drives the larger swing scooping up the rest.
    Tories must find a way to drive up turnout of their 2019 vote
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,102
    FrankBooth said:

    HYUFD said:

    Truss seems to do better in the redwall seats than Sunak so should cut back Labour's redwall lead a bit

    Surely she'll only do that if she's more popular than Boris there?
    The current polling is likely based on uncertainty about whether Truss or Sunak succeed Boris.

    Truss does better with Leavers, Sunak with Remainers
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,102
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    HYUFD said:

    Truss seems to do better in the redwall seats than Sunak so should cut back Labour's redwall lead a bit

    The Tories are currently polling worse there than Labour did in its worst loss since 1935!
    33% is above 32%
  • londonpubmanlondonpubman Posts: 3,640
    wooliedyed said:

    The data tables suggest that there is some not insignificant direct switch con to lab, enough for a few % swing and, on UNS regaining maybe half the 40 seats. However, compounding that is a trash 53% 2019 voter retention for Con versus 84% Labour retention which drives the larger swing scooping up the rest.
    Tories must find a way to drive up turnout of their 2019 vote

    That's the thing Woolie. I voted CON last time, I won't vote LAB but at the moment won't be voting CON next time.
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    HYUFD said:

    FrankBooth said:

    HYUFD said:

    Truss seems to do better in the redwall seats than Sunak so should cut back Labour's redwall lead a bit

    Surely she'll only do that if she's more popular than Boris there?
    The current polling is likely based on uncertainty about whether Truss or Sunak succeed Boris.

    Truss does better with Leavers, Sunak with Remainers
    Can Truss peel off the Refukers?

    Six per cent in the red wall. Not totally insignificant.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,146
    IshmaelZ said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Sunak verging on Sheffield in that intro and his jokes are getting even lamer

    At least he has written some new material over the weekend. The parmo schtick will go down well in the North-East but will mystify the rest of the country.
    Do we think he would recognise a parmo in an identity parade?

    That "our women" grated like fuck last time. Really poor.
    They are in Darlington. Do they eat parmo in Darlo?
  • squareroot2squareroot2 Posts: 6,846
    Redfield Wilton.. are they related to Angus Reid?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    londonpubman said:

    wooliedyed said:

    The data tables suggest that there is some not insignificant direct switch con to lab, enough for a few % swing and, on UNS regaining maybe half the 40 seats. However, compounding that is a trash 53% 2019 voter retention for Con versus 84% Labour retention which drives the larger swing scooping up the rest.
    Tories must find a way to drive up turnout of their 2019 vote

    That's the thing Woolie. I voted CON last time, I won't vote LAB but at the moment won't be voting CON next time.
    And in the RW where a surfeit of votes were 'lent' last time we see a compounded effect.
    Its a double unwind as a lot of Labour sat on their hands in 19 and there are also a number of new Lab voters from did not vote 19 (3 times more than con)
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,146
    God it is all so bloody depressing. Truss is just rerunning the Vote Leave style campaign as Rentoul explains:


    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    Truss is really good at this: “Tax cuts not handouts”
    Raab: [Sets out sensible reasons it won’t work] “That’s electoral suicide”

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1557069909309493250
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    rottenborough said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Sunak verging on Sheffield in that intro and his jokes are getting even lamer

    At least he has written some new material over the weekend. The parmo schtick will go down well in the North-East but will mystify the rest of the country.
    Do we think he would recognise a parmo in an identity parade?

    That "our women" grated like fuck last time. Really poor.
    They are in Darlington. Do they eat parmo in Darlo?
    Dunno. But I bet the family Sunak don't.
  • Sunil_PrasannanSunil_Prasannan Posts: 52,173
    squareroot2 said:

    Redfield Wilton.. are they related to Angus Reid?

    ComGov
    YouRes
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,963
    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Taz said:

    I wonder how labour will regards this. As sinners who are repenting or will they realise they need to make a worthwhile offer to the red wall to keep this advantage. For many years these areas have just regularly voted labour and labour took them for granted.

    Labour detest white van, Flag of St George bigots. I suspect Rishi Rich isn't keen either. Only Liz is the working class bigot's friend.
    Having just watched the commonwealth games with England competing under same Flag of St George, I think calling them bigots is a stretch.
    No, no, no. Waving a Flag of St George at the Alexandra Stadium, Wembley or Twickenham really is fine. Sticking one on your house in Bromsgrove, Bromley, or Bromley Cross for the most part is telling a different story. And you knew that is where I was coming from.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Fucking clothes thief at work in Darlington. So outrageous it's funny.
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    rottenborough said:

    God it is all so bloody depressing. Truss is just rerunning the Vote Leave style campaign as Rentoul explains:


    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    Truss is really good at this: “Tax cuts not handouts”
    Raab: [Sets out sensible reasons it won’t work] “That’s electoral suicide”

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1557069909309493250

    Rentoul should be happy. He's a labour supporter, right?
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,963
    CorrectHorseBattery said:

    If only useless Starmer would quit we could have RLB

    ...or Dicky Di Doh Burgon.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,146
    IshmaelZ said:

    rottenborough said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Sunak verging on Sheffield in that intro and his jokes are getting even lamer

    At least he has written some new material over the weekend. The parmo schtick will go down well in the North-East but will mystify the rest of the country.
    Do we think he would recognise a parmo in an identity parade?

    That "our women" grated like fuck last time. Really poor.
    They are in Darlington. Do they eat parmo in Darlo?
    Dunno. But I bet the family Sunak don't.
    Wiki:

    "In 2007, North Yorkshire Trading Standards conducted a survey of 25 fast food dishes. A large parmo with chips and salad they tested contained about 2,600 calories"

  • Wulfrun_PhilWulfrun_Phil Posts: 4,780
    edited August 2022
    Casino_Royale said:

    On topic, such leads don't make sense in the context of narrow nationwide Labour leads.

    It's either a small sample size introducing modelling error or a function of higher propensity to vote for existing Labour supporters there, and previous Tories moving to "don't know", or a mixture of the two.

    There's probably only a modest direct Labour> Con switch.

    Such leads make perfect sense if you accept that those of us who yearn to be rid of 12 years of failed Conservative governments are increasingly looking at which of Labour or the LDs are best placed to win in our constituency and planning to vote accordingly. The legacy of Clegg had put off many Labour supporters from voting LD, and Corbyn likewise repelled many LDs from Labour (although OGH held his nose still), but those effects have now unwound. It also follows that the bias in our electoral system towards the Conservatives must be unwinding in tandem. The pattern is concealed in the averaging within national VI polls.
  • NickPalmerNickPalmer Posts: 21,573
    Interesting analysis of the Labour candidates selected in the first 34 marginals - essentially dominated by centrists with a local base:

    https://labourlist.org/2022/08/six-key-takeaways-from-the-first-stage-of-labour-parliamentary-selections/
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,146
    "I'm somebody who wants to see farmers producing food." - Truss.

    Give me strength. The level of the debate in these hustings is enough to drive one to absinthe.

  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,700
    Mexicanpete said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Taz said:

    I wonder how labour will regards this. As sinners who are repenting or will they realise they need to make a worthwhile offer to the red wall to keep this advantage. For many years these areas have just regularly voted labour and labour took them for granted.

    Labour detest white van, Flag of St George bigots. I suspect Rishi Rich isn't keen either. Only Liz is the working class bigot's friend.
    Having just watched the commonwealth games with England competing under same Flag of St George, I think calling them bigots is a stretch.
    No, no, no. Waving a Flag of St George at the Alexandra Stadium, Wembley or Twickenham really is fine. Sticking one on your house in Bromsgrove, Bromley, or Bromley Cross for the most part is telling a different story. And you knew that is where I was coming from.
    Do you object to Scots flying their flag at home? Or the Welsh? I despair at the lefts hatred of English identity.
  • eekeek Posts: 28,592
    edited August 2022
    IshmaelZ said:

    rottenborough said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Sunak verging on Sheffield in that intro and his jokes are getting even lamer

    At least he has written some new material over the weekend. The parmo schtick will go down well in the North-East but will mystify the rest of the country.
    Do we think he would recognise a parmo in an identity parade?

    That "our women" grated like fuck last time. Really poor.
    They are in Darlington. Do they eat parmo in Darlo?
    Dunno. But I bet the family Sunak don't.
    Nope that’s Boro or Stockton at a push

    I seriously can’t think of anywhere in town (Darlo) where I’ve eaten that does it. And I’ve probably eaten in all the restaurants.
  • DecrepiterJohnLDecrepiterJohnL Posts: 28,492
    rottenborough said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    rottenborough said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    DecrepiterJohnL said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Sunak verging on Sheffield in that intro and his jokes are getting even lamer

    At least he has written some new material over the weekend. The parmo schtick will go down well in the North-East but will mystify the rest of the country.
    Do we think he would recognise a parmo in an identity parade?

    That "our women" grated like fuck last time. Really poor.
    They are in Darlington. Do they eat parmo in Darlo?
    Dunno. But I bet the family Sunak don't.
    Wiki:

    "In 2007, North Yorkshire Trading Standards conducted a survey of 25 fast food dishes. A large parmo with chips and salad they tested contained about 2,600 calories"

    Salad dressings are very Calorific; almost pure oil.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,484
    NickPalmer said:

    Interesting analysis of the Labour candidates selected in the first 34 marginals - essentially dominated by centrists with a local base:

    https://labourlist.org/2022/08/six-key-takeaways-from-the-first-stage-of-labour-parliamentary-selections/

    Lloyd Russell-Moyle has sailed through re-selection down in Brighton Kemptown. He's not to everyone's taste (including mine), but there's no doubt that he's benefitted from being very assiduous and highly visible in the constituency. Labour has also gained some surprising coastal council seats in his patch.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,484
    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Taz said:

    I wonder how labour will regards this. As sinners who are repenting or will they realise they need to make a worthwhile offer to the red wall to keep this advantage. For many years these areas have just regularly voted labour and labour took them for granted.

    Labour detest white van, Flag of St George bigots. I suspect Rishi Rich isn't keen either. Only Liz is the working class bigot's friend.
    Having just watched the commonwealth games with England competing under same Flag of St George, I think calling them bigots is a stretch.
    No, no, no. Waving a Flag of St George at the Alexandra Stadium, Wembley or Twickenham really is fine. Sticking one on your house in Bromsgrove, Bromley, or Bromley Cross for the most part is telling a different story. And you knew that is where I was coming from.
    Do you object to Scots flying their flag at home? Or the Welsh? I despair at the lefts hatred of English identity.
    Chill out. You can have a strong English identity without waving a flag around or enjoying seeing others do so, if that's okay with you.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,963
    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Taz said:

    I wonder how labour will regards this. As sinners who are repenting or will they realise they need to make a worthwhile offer to the red wall to keep this advantage. For many years these areas have just regularly voted labour and labour took them for granted.

    Labour detest white van, Flag of St George bigots. I suspect Rishi Rich isn't keen either. Only Liz is the working class bigot's friend.
    Having just watched the commonwealth games with England competing under same Flag of St George, I think calling them bigots is a stretch.
    No, no, no. Waving a Flag of St George at the Alexandra Stadium, Wembley or Twickenham really is fine. Sticking one on your house in Bromsgrove, Bromley, or Bromley Cross for the most part is telling a different story. And you knew that is where I was coming from.
    Do you object to Scots flying their flag at home? Or the Welsh? I despair at the lefts hatred of English identity.
    They can at the Six Nations or the World Cup but why fly it at any other time except as a warning to passers by.

    For the most part here in Wales, the Welsh flag comes out on match day morning and is back in its cupboard by sundown.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Mexicanpete said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Taz said:

    I wonder how labour will regards this. As sinners who are repenting or will they realise they need to make a worthwhile offer to the red wall to keep this advantage. For many years these areas have just regularly voted labour and labour took them for granted.

    Labour detest white van, Flag of St George bigots. I suspect Rishi Rich isn't keen either. Only Liz is the working class bigot's friend.
    Having just watched the commonwealth games with England competing under same Flag of St George, I think calling them bigots is a stretch.
    No, no, no. Waving a Flag of St George at the Alexandra Stadium, Wembley or Twickenham really is fine. Sticking one on your house in Bromsgrove, Bromley, or Bromley Cross for the most part is telling a different story. And you knew that is where I was coming from.
    Sorry but purely classist point. I am genuinely confident that a majority of flag displayers in all those Br places are innocent football fans, why aren't you?

    Chaps sometimes need vans, while i am at it, and for reasons unknown 95% of vans are white. I used to own one myself, an LDV since you ask. And not as part of a sinister anti immigrant agenda.
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,700
    Northern_Al said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Taz said:

    I wonder how labour will regards this. As sinners who are repenting or will they realise they need to make a worthwhile offer to the red wall to keep this advantage. For many years these areas have just regularly voted labour and labour took them for granted.

    Labour detest white van, Flag of St George bigots. I suspect Rishi Rich isn't keen either. Only Liz is the working class bigot's friend.
    Having just watched the commonwealth games with England competing under same Flag of St George, I think calling them bigots is a stretch.
    No, no, no. Waving a Flag of St George at the Alexandra Stadium, Wembley or Twickenham really is fine. Sticking one on your house in Bromsgrove, Bromley, or Bromley Cross for the most part is telling a different story. And you knew that is where I was coming from.
    Do you object to Scots flying their flag at home? Or the Welsh? I despair at the lefts hatred of English identity.
    Chill out. You can have a strong English identity without waving a flag around or enjoying seeing others do so, if that's okay with you.
    Not according to the left.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    edited August 2022
    MISTY said:

    rottenborough said:

    God it is all so bloody depressing. Truss is just rerunning the Vote Leave style campaign as Rentoul explains:


    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    Truss is really good at this: “Tax cuts not handouts”
    Raab: [Sets out sensible reasons it won’t work] “That’s electoral suicide”

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1557069909309493250

    Rentoul should be happy. He's a labour supporter, right?
    Rentoul is a Blairite. He is slso very nuanced in his commentary however, you'll often find him taking a non herd view of things against the prevailing narrative. He's the antithesis of the Guardian/James O'Brien style performative outrage over everything ever cos brexit brigade on the one hand and the Hartley Brewer they are making your kids gay and taking our jobs style performative outrage on the other.
    I think hes a top drawer journo.
  • Northern_AlNorthern_Al Posts: 8,484
    turbotubbs said:

    Northern_Al said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Taz said:

    I wonder how labour will regards this. As sinners who are repenting or will they realise they need to make a worthwhile offer to the red wall to keep this advantage. For many years these areas have just regularly voted labour and labour took them for granted.

    Labour detest white van, Flag of St George bigots. I suspect Rishi Rich isn't keen either. Only Liz is the working class bigot's friend.
    Having just watched the commonwealth games with England competing under same Flag of St George, I think calling them bigots is a stretch.
    No, no, no. Waving a Flag of St George at the Alexandra Stadium, Wembley or Twickenham really is fine. Sticking one on your house in Bromsgrove, Bromley, or Bromley Cross for the most part is telling a different story. And you knew that is where I was coming from.
    Do you object to Scots flying their flag at home? Or the Welsh? I despair at the lefts hatred of English identity.
    Chill out. You can have a strong English identity without waving a flag around or enjoying seeing others do so, if that's okay with you.
    Not according to the left.
    I'm on the left. You're talking nonsense.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,935
    Sunak was absolutely awful. It was like he was a kids party entertainer speaking to an audience of five year olds. I'd have felt patronised in that audience. The false mateyness, the 'our women'!
  • HYUFDHYUFD Posts: 124,102
    NickPalmer said:

    Interesting analysis of the Labour candidates selected in the first 34 marginals - essentially dominated by centrists with a local base:

    https://labourlist.org/2022/08/six-key-takeaways-from-the-first-stage-of-labour-parliamentary-selections/

    26/34 also local councillors
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,948
    Northern_Al said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Northern_Al said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Taz said:

    I wonder how labour will regards this. As sinners who are repenting or will they realise they need to make a worthwhile offer to the red wall to keep this advantage. For many years these areas have just regularly voted labour and labour took them for granted.

    Labour detest white van, Flag of St George bigots. I suspect Rishi Rich isn't keen either. Only Liz is the working class bigot's friend.
    Having just watched the commonwealth games with England competing under same Flag of St George, I think calling them bigots is a stretch.
    No, no, no. Waving a Flag of St George at the Alexandra Stadium, Wembley or Twickenham really is fine. Sticking one on your house in Bromsgrove, Bromley, or Bromley Cross for the most part is telling a different story. And you knew that is where I was coming from.
    Do you object to Scots flying their flag at home? Or the Welsh? I despair at the lefts hatred of English identity.
    Chill out. You can have a strong English identity without waving a flag around or enjoying seeing others do so, if that's okay with you.
    Not according to the left.
    I'm on the left. You're talking nonsense.
    I'm a libdem and I agree that he's talking nonsense.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,146
    HYUFD said:

    NickPalmer said:

    Interesting analysis of the Labour candidates selected in the first 34 marginals - essentially dominated by centrists with a local base:

    https://labourlist.org/2022/08/six-key-takeaways-from-the-first-stage-of-labour-parliamentary-selections/

    26/34 also local councillors
    Probably a good thing. Learn the ropes at the local level and also will have experience of the reality of the state of local government (underfunded, not trusted by Whitehall etc)

  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Northern_Al said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Taz said:

    I wonder how labour will regards this. As sinners who are repenting or will they realise they need to make a worthwhile offer to the red wall to keep this advantage. For many years these areas have just regularly voted labour and labour took them for granted.

    Labour detest white van, Flag of St George bigots. I suspect Rishi Rich isn't keen either. Only Liz is the working class bigot's friend.
    Having just watched the commonwealth games with England competing under same Flag of St George, I think calling them bigots is a stretch.
    No, no, no. Waving a Flag of St George at the Alexandra Stadium, Wembley or Twickenham really is fine. Sticking one on your house in Bromsgrove, Bromley, or Bromley Cross for the most part is telling a different story. And you knew that is where I was coming from.
    Do you object to Scots flying their flag at home? Or the Welsh? I despair at the lefts hatred of English identity.
    Chill out. You can have a strong English identity without waving a flag around or enjoying seeing others do so, if that's okay with you.
    Well off course you *can* but it doesn't mean you have to. Ironically you say "if that's okay with you" when you are the one dictating what lawful behaviour is acceptable and what not. I don't know how Northern you are but analogously you can have a strong Scottish identity without going about in a kilt. You gonna form an online skirt police forbidding the habit outside of St Andrews Day and the Hog?
  • Daveyboy1961Daveyboy1961 Posts: 3,948
    edited August 2022
    IshmaelZ said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Taz said:

    I wonder how labour will regards this. As sinners who are repenting or will they realise they need to make a worthwhile offer to the red wall to keep this advantage. For many years these areas have just regularly voted labour and labour took them for granted.

    Labour detest white van, Flag of St George bigots. I suspect Rishi Rich isn't keen either. Only Liz is the working class bigot's friend.
    Having just watched the commonwealth games with England competing under same Flag of St George, I think calling them bigots is a stretch.
    No, no, no. Waving a Flag of St George at the Alexandra Stadium, Wembley or Twickenham really is fine. Sticking one on your house in Bromsgrove, Bromley, or Bromley Cross for the most part is telling a different story. And you knew that is where I was coming from.
    Sorry but purely classist point. I am genuinely confident that a majority of flag displayers in all those Br places are innocent football fans, why aren't you?

    Chaps sometimes need vans, while i am at it, and for reasons unknown 95% of vans are white. I used to own one myself, an LDV since you ask. And not as part of a sinister anti immigrant agenda.
    I love the sarcasm.

    Also Vans are white because they are cheaper.
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Sunak was absolutely awful. It was like he was a kids party entertainer speaking to an audience of five year olds. I'd have felt patronised in that audience. The false mateyness, the 'our women'!

    Once he stopped hosing money at the plague fearful he became nothing. He is David Miliband waving a banana but moreso
  • turbotubbsturbotubbs Posts: 17,700
    Northern_Al said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Northern_Al said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Taz said:

    I wonder how labour will regards this. As sinners who are repenting or will they realise they need to make a worthwhile offer to the red wall to keep this advantage. For many years these areas have just regularly voted labour and labour took them for granted.

    Labour detest white van, Flag of St George bigots. I suspect Rishi Rich isn't keen either. Only Liz is the working class bigot's friend.
    Having just watched the commonwealth games with England competing under same Flag of St George, I think calling them bigots is a stretch.
    No, no, no. Waving a Flag of St George at the Alexandra Stadium, Wembley or Twickenham really is fine. Sticking one on your house in Bromsgrove, Bromley, or Bromley Cross for the most part is telling a different story. And you knew that is where I was coming from.
    Do you object to Scots flying their flag at home? Or the Welsh? I despair at the lefts hatred of English identity.
    Chill out. You can have a strong English identity without waving a flag around or enjoying seeing others do so, if that's okay with you.
    Not according to the left.
    I'm on the left. You're talking nonsense.
    I’m not though. @Mexicanpete echoing Lady Nugee about how ghastly white van men and their England flags are. It’s definitely a thing for a lot on the left.
  • MISTYMISTY Posts: 1,594
    wooliedyed said:

    MISTY said:

    rottenborough said:

    God it is all so bloody depressing. Truss is just rerunning the Vote Leave style campaign as Rentoul explains:


    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    Truss is really good at this: “Tax cuts not handouts”
    Raab: [Sets out sensible reasons it won’t work] “That’s electoral suicide”

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1557069909309493250

    Rentoul should be happy. He's a labour supporter, right?
    Rentoul is a Blairite. He is slso very nuanced in his commentary however, you'll often find him taking a non herd view of things against the prevailing narrative. He's the antithesis of the Guardian/James O'Brien style performative outrage over everything ever cos brexit brigade on the one hand and the Hartley Brewer they are making your kids gay and taking our jobs style performative outrage on the other.
    I think hes a top drawer journo.
    He is also not afraid to venture onto the Littlejohn FM stations as I understand it. Fair play.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,935
    Liz was plodding and not particularly fluent, but fired her shots and they worked. Lots of spontaneous applause.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,146
    Sunak does have some of the mannerisms of Tony Blair, but they seem over exaggerated at times.

    Interesting to watch him move about with the sound off.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,963
    IshmaelZ said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Taz said:

    I wonder how labour will regards this. As sinners who are repenting or will they realise they need to make a worthwhile offer to the red wall to keep this advantage. For many years these areas have just regularly voted labour and labour took them for granted.

    Labour detest white van, Flag of St George bigots. I suspect Rishi Rich isn't keen either. Only Liz is the working class bigot's friend.
    Having just watched the commonwealth games with England competing under same Flag of St George, I think calling them bigots is a stretch.
    No, no, no. Waving a Flag of St George at the Alexandra Stadium, Wembley or Twickenham really is fine. Sticking one on your house in Bromsgrove, Bromley, or Bromley Cross for the most part is telling a different story. And you knew that is where I was coming from.
    Sorry but purely classist point. I am genuinely confident that a majority of flag displayers in all those Br places are innocent football fans, why aren't you?

    Chaps sometimes need vans, while i am at it, and for reasons unknown 95% of vans are white. I used to own one myself, an LDV since you ask. And not as part of a sinister anti immigrant agenda.
    Mine was an '97 long wheelbase Sprinter.which was excellent. It was however on the drive long before rabid Centrists took offence to English Nationalism.
  • SelebianSelebian Posts: 8,832
    rottenborough said:

    "I'm somebody who wants to see farmers producing food." - Truss.

    Give me strength. The level of the debate in these hustings is enough to drive one to absinthe.

    It's when it's enough to drive you to Truss that you really need to worry
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,935
    wooliedyed said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Sunak was absolutely awful. It was like he was a kids party entertainer speaking to an audience of five year olds. I'd have felt patronised in that audience. The false mateyness, the 'our women'!

    Once he stopped hosing money at the plague fearful he became nothing. He is David Miliband waving a banana but moreso
    His answers in the interview are excruciating. He sounds like he's on something. I feel like the audience are clapping in his 'climax' bits because they are so thuddingly obvious that it would be awkward socially not to clap.
  • FrankBoothFrankBooth Posts: 9,929
    NickPalmer said:

    Interesting analysis of the Labour candidates selected in the first 34 marginals - essentially dominated by centrists with a local base:

    https://labourlist.org/2022/08/six-key-takeaways-from-the-first-stage-of-labour-parliamentary-selections/

    Being serious what exactly is a centrist in the Labour context? Is it a non-Corbynite? A Blairite? A social democrat? Is Starmer a 'centrist'?

    Labour is a bit of a mystery to me nowadays.
  • rottenboroughrottenborough Posts: 63,146
    wooliedyed said:

    MISTY said:

    rottenborough said:

    God it is all so bloody depressing. Truss is just rerunning the Vote Leave style campaign as Rentoul explains:


    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    Truss is really good at this: “Tax cuts not handouts”
    Raab: [Sets out sensible reasons it won’t work] “That’s electoral suicide”

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1557069909309493250

    Rentoul should be happy. He's a labour supporter, right?
    Rentoul is a Blairite. He is slso very nuanced in his commentary however, you'll often find him taking a non herd view of things against the prevailing narrative. He's the antithesis of the Guardian/James O'Brien style performative outrage over everything ever cos brexit brigade on the one hand and the Hartley Brewer they are making your kids gay and taking our jobs style performative outrage on the other.
    I think hes a top drawer journo.
    Nobody knows if Truss will fair better or worse against Labour than Sunak.

    Any polling done is pure voodoo imho. The public have barely heard of her.

    What we do know is she has cleverly worked out what unicorn cake bullshit fantasy the members want to hear and gone for that.

    Not impossible the same tactic will work with wider public but my view is, like many on PB, the crashing waves of economic meltdown will make such tactics irrelevant.

  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    Luckyguy1983 said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Sunak was absolutely awful. It was like he was a kids party entertainer speaking to an audience of five year olds. I'd have felt patronised in that audience. The false mateyness, the 'our women'!

    Once he stopped hosing money at the plague fearful he became nothing. He is David Miliband waving a banana but moreso
    His answers in the interview are excruciating. He sounds like he's on something. I feel like the audience are clapping in his 'climax' bits because they are so thuddingly obvious that it would be awkward socially not to clap.
    Every clap now is a pity fuck.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Daveyboy1961 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Taz said:

    I wonder how labour will regards this. As sinners who are repenting or will they realise they need to make a worthwhile offer to the red wall to keep this advantage. For many years these areas have just regularly voted labour and labour took them for granted.

    Labour detest white van, Flag of St George bigots. I suspect Rishi Rich isn't keen either. Only Liz is the working class bigot's friend.
    Having just watched the commonwealth games with England competing under same Flag of St George, I think calling them bigots is a stretch.
    No, no, no. Waving a Flag of St George at the Alexandra Stadium, Wembley or Twickenham really is fine. Sticking one on your house in Bromsgrove, Bromley, or Bromley Cross for the most part is telling a different story. And you knew that is where I was coming from.
    Sorry but purely classist point. I am genuinely confident that a majority of flag displayers in all those Br places are innocent football fans, why aren't you?

    Chaps sometimes need vans, while i am at it, and for reasons unknown 95% of vans are white. I used to own one myself, an LDV since you ask. And not as part of a sinister anti immigrant agenda.
    I love the sarcasm.

    Also Vans are white because they are cheaper.
    Sarcasm?

    Cheaper because there's more of them or because it's cheaper to paint them that colour?

    And anyway not the point, really. If you argue from van colour as proxy for poverty to moral character, what analogous arguments are you happy with?
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,235
    turbotubbs said:

    Northern_Al said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Northern_Al said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Taz said:

    I wonder how labour will regards this. As sinners who are repenting or will they realise they need to make a worthwhile offer to the red wall to keep this advantage. For many years these areas have just regularly voted labour and labour took them for granted.

    Labour detest white van, Flag of St George bigots. I suspect Rishi Rich isn't keen either. Only Liz is the working class bigot's friend.
    Having just watched the commonwealth games with England competing under same Flag of St George, I think calling them bigots is a stretch.
    No, no, no. Waving a Flag of St George at the Alexandra Stadium, Wembley or Twickenham really is fine. Sticking one on your house in Bromsgrove, Bromley, or Bromley Cross for the most part is telling a different story. And you knew that is where I was coming from.
    Do you object to Scots flying their flag at home? Or the Welsh? I despair at the lefts hatred of English identity.
    Chill out. You can have a strong English identity without waving a flag around or enjoying seeing others do so, if that's okay with you.
    Not according to the left.
    I'm on the left. You're talking nonsense.
    I’m not though. @Mexicanpete echoing Lady Nugee about how ghastly white van men and their England flags are. It’s definitely a thing for a lot on the left.
    He is Welsh, so has his reasons.
  • Luckyguy1983Luckyguy1983 Posts: 28,935
    edited August 2022
    wooliedyed said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    wooliedyed said:

    Luckyguy1983 said:

    Sunak was absolutely awful. It was like he was a kids party entertainer speaking to an audience of five year olds. I'd have felt patronised in that audience. The false mateyness, the 'our women'!

    Once he stopped hosing money at the plague fearful he became nothing. He is David Miliband waving a banana but moreso
    His answers in the interview are excruciating. He sounds like he's on something. I feel like the audience are clapping in his 'climax' bits because they are so thuddingly obvious that it would be awkward socially not to clap.
    Every clap now is a pity fuck.
    He can't change his tone, it's really bizarre. He's now answering a question about why he knifed Bojo, and he's meant to sound full of dignity and sincere regret, but he's still doing it in his patronising shouty 'applause now' voice.
  • IshmaelZIshmaelZ Posts: 21,830
    Selebian said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Taz said:

    I wonder how labour will regards this. As sinners who are repenting or will they realise they need to make a worthwhile offer to the red wall to keep this advantage. For many years these areas have just regularly voted labour and labour took them for granted.

    Labour detest white van, Flag of St George bigots. I suspect Rishi Rich isn't keen either. Only Liz is the working class bigot's friend.
    Having just watched the commonwealth games with England competing under same Flag of St George, I think calling them bigots is a stretch.
    No, no, no. Waving a Flag of St George at the Alexandra Stadium, Wembley or Twickenham really is fine. Sticking one on your house in Bromsgrove, Bromley, or Bromley Cross for the most part is telling a different story. And you knew that is where I was coming from.
    Sorry but purely classist point. I am genuinely confident that a majority of flag displayers in all those Br places are innocent football fans, why aren't you?

    Chaps sometimes need vans, while i am at it, and for reasons unknown 95% of vans are white. I used to own one myself, an LDV since you ask. And not as part of a sinister anti immigrant agenda.
    There is a theory that the lack of vans of colour is due to few cars of colour seeing role models in the van community that they can aspire to be like when they grow up...
    :lol:
  • MalmesburyMalmesbury Posts: 51,239
    IshmaelZ said:

    Daveyboy1961 said:

    IshmaelZ said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Taz said:

    I wonder how labour will regards this. As sinners who are repenting or will they realise they need to make a worthwhile offer to the red wall to keep this advantage. For many years these areas have just regularly voted labour and labour took them for granted.

    Labour detest white van, Flag of St George bigots. I suspect Rishi Rich isn't keen either. Only Liz is the working class bigot's friend.
    Having just watched the commonwealth games with England competing under same Flag of St George, I think calling them bigots is a stretch.
    No, no, no. Waving a Flag of St George at the Alexandra Stadium, Wembley or Twickenham really is fine. Sticking one on your house in Bromsgrove, Bromley, or Bromley Cross for the most part is telling a different story. And you knew that is where I was coming from.
    Sorry but purely classist point. I am genuinely confident that a majority of flag displayers in all those Br places are innocent football fans, why aren't you?

    Chaps sometimes need vans, while i am at it, and for reasons unknown 95% of vans are white. I used to own one myself, an LDV since you ask. And not as part of a sinister anti immigrant agenda.
    I love the sarcasm.

    Also Vans are white because they are cheaper.
    Sarcasm?

    Cheaper because there's more of them or because it's cheaper to paint them that colour?

    And anyway not the point, really. If you argue from van colour as proxy for poverty to moral character, what analogous arguments are you happy with?
    Insurance?
  • wooliedyedwooliedyed Posts: 10,061
    rottenborough said:

    wooliedyed said:

    MISTY said:

    rottenborough said:

    God it is all so bloody depressing. Truss is just rerunning the Vote Leave style campaign as Rentoul explains:


    John Rentoul
    @JohnRentoul
    Truss is really good at this: “Tax cuts not handouts”
    Raab: [Sets out sensible reasons it won’t work] “That’s electoral suicide”

    https://twitter.com/JohnRentoul/status/1557069909309493250

    Rentoul should be happy. He's a labour supporter, right?
    Rentoul is a Blairite. He is slso very nuanced in his commentary however, you'll often find him taking a non herd view of things against the prevailing narrative. He's the antithesis of the Guardian/James O'Brien style performative outrage over everything ever cos brexit brigade on the one hand and the Hartley Brewer they are making your kids gay and taking our jobs style performative outrage on the other.
    I think hes a top drawer journo.
    Nobody knows if Truss will fair better or worse against Labour than Sunak.

    Any polling done is pure voodoo imho. The public have barely heard of her.

    What we do know is she has cleverly worked out what unicorn cake bullshit fantasy the members want to hear and gone for that.

    Not impossible the same tactic will work with wider public but my view is, like many on PB, the crashing waves of economic meltdown will make such tactics irrelevant.

    She'll do better for the Tories electorally. The core and the old biddies will turn out for her in numbers they wont for sunak. I doubt it will be enough but it should avoid meltdown of 97 proportions. I cant stand her.
  • MexicanpeteMexicanpete Posts: 28,963
    edited August 2022
    turbotubbs said:

    Northern_Al said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Northern_Al said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    turbotubbs said:

    Mexicanpete said:

    Taz said:

    I wonder how labour will regards this. As sinners who are repenting or will they realise they need to make a worthwhile offer to the red wall to keep this advantage. For many years these areas have just regularly voted labour and labour took them for granted.

    Labour detest white van, Flag of St George bigots. I suspect Rishi Rich isn't keen either. Only Liz is the working class bigot's friend.
    Having just watched the commonwealth games with England competing under same Flag of St George, I think calling them bigots is a stretch.
    No, no, no. Waving a Flag of St George at the Alexandra Stadium, Wembley or Twickenham really is fine. Sticking one on your house in Bromsgrove, Bromley, or Bromley Cross for the most part is telling a different story. And you knew that is where I was coming from.
    Do you object to Scots flying their flag at home? Or the Welsh? I despair at the lefts hatred of English identity.
    Chill out. You can have a strong English identity without waving a flag around or enjoying seeing others do so, if that's okay with you.
    Not according to the left.
    I'm on the left. You're talking nonsense.
    I’m not though. @Mexicanpete echoing Lady Nugee about how ghastly white van men and their England flags are. It’s definitely a thing for a lot on the left.
    What about Centrists like myself and I guess the good Lady Emily, a Champagne Socialist if ever I saw one? We are worse than lefties when it comes to reading the Guardian and looking down our noses at the great unwashed. We don't embrace them like Boris and Liz. They love 'em!
  • AlistairAlistair Posts: 23,670
    Man raises a good point

    https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1557009382826721285
  • FoxyFoxy Posts: 49,235
    Nice to see a ministry of Defence with a sense of humour:

    https://twitter.com/DefenceU/status/1557061408340287490?t=4G11wex-BwyCtvWYpT1UeA&s=19
  • TheuniondivvieTheuniondivvie Posts: 42,175
    rottenborough said:

    IshmaelZ said:

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    IshmaelZ said:

    Sunak verging on Sheffield in that intro and his jokes are getting even lamer

    At least he has written some new material over the weekend. The parmo schtick will go down well in the North-East but will mystify the rest of the country.
    Do we think he would recognise a parmo in an identity parade?

    That "our women" grated like fuck last time. Really poor.
    They are in Darlington. Do they eat parmo in Darlo?
    Haggis I think..


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