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Re: Starmer’s best day as PM but there’s always a Tweet – politicalbetting.com
The same applies the other way - self-righteous right wingers insistent that Labour are this that and the other.This header sums up Starmer's hypocrisy rather well.I'm broadly right of centre but mainly centrist in outlook. What used to annoy me about the left was the idea that only left wing politics was virtuous. That anything the left did was for the morally correct reasons. And the idea that the Tories were scum, uncaring, only in it for themselves etc.
Similar tweets and statements from Starmer can be identified on the Winter Fuel Allowance, Foreign Aid cuts, WASPI women, the PM (Sunak at the time) taking what SKS perceived to be unnecessary flights, failing to declare donations, and so on.
I don't actually dramatically disagree with Starmer's actions when he reduces WFA and Foreign Aid, refuses to compensate the WASPI women and goes on lots of foreign trips - all necessary measures. But did he have to be so achingly sanctimonious when he thought others were doing it?
Likewise, I didn't see what the big deal was about the Lord Alli donations - mainly I was very glad that someone else's money had been wasted on needlessly expensive clothes and accessories, rather than my own - but we can be sure that if a PM of a different party had done it that Starmer would have been among the first to pass judgement on such moral failings.
Boris Johnson's arrogance was that knew he was a scoundrel, but wrongly assumed that he could always get away with it.
Starmer's arrogance is of a different sort; he seems to think that anything he does is virtuous because he is the one doing it, but is excessively sanctimonious when his opponents to do exactly the same thing. Most politicians are like this to an extent, but I am not sure I have ever seen it done with such an air of assumed moral superiority before.
This all drives me a little bonkers, but in truth it has very little consequence regarding the running of the government and will not be a defining issue in the next general election, even for me.
On-topic, I agree with the overall consensus that Starmer is thankfully getting on well with Trump, with similar scenes to that of Trump's first visit from Theresa May.
My politics have become more radical in recent years, but the radical centre. I don't care if the solution that works is left or right. Political ideology is generally a Bad Thing. Used to wind me up good and proper in the Labour Party. Now as a LibDem I get to speak to people who are classic Liberals, old school social democrats, ex Labour, ex Tory and even the occasional ex Nat. Much better.
Re: Starmer’s best day as PM but there’s always a Tweet – politicalbetting.com
FPT:
It's a good job Starmer wasn't a barrister.
Oh...
I do think [failure to back Canada] was a mis-step - it made Starmer look unneccessarly craven. There was also a better answer available to the question of whether we could beat Russia. BUT... that said, dealing with Trump at such a finely balanced time was a hospital pass.
It will be fascinaring to read the accounts of what was going on in the background. It seems that Trump had not as good a hand as he thought. Probably was told by Macron that the Europeans would undercut any Ukraine deal if Trump didn't treat Ukraine/Zelenskyy with more respect. Trump's position has undergone quite the volte face. Denying he would have ever have dissed Zelenskyy, renewing the sanctions against Russia for another year...it does seem that the grown-ups have been busy in the background. We'll see how today's signing goes.
But I suspect Russia is spitting teeth. Their entire strategy in Ukraine has been about survivng to the point where Trump freezes the conflict. Yesterday was terrible for Putin - 2,710 casualties, 13 tanks lost, 38 armoured personnel carriers, 92 artillery systems. Russian and North Korean troops under siege within Kursk - Russia proper - with those trying to relieve them being destroyed. Ammunition not getting to the front.
It's a shit show for Putin.
It's a good job Starmer wasn't a barrister.
Oh...
I do think [failure to back Canada] was a mis-step - it made Starmer look unneccessarly craven. There was also a better answer available to the question of whether we could beat Russia. BUT... that said, dealing with Trump at such a finely balanced time was a hospital pass.
It will be fascinaring to read the accounts of what was going on in the background. It seems that Trump had not as good a hand as he thought. Probably was told by Macron that the Europeans would undercut any Ukraine deal if Trump didn't treat Ukraine/Zelenskyy with more respect. Trump's position has undergone quite the volte face. Denying he would have ever have dissed Zelenskyy, renewing the sanctions against Russia for another year...it does seem that the grown-ups have been busy in the background. We'll see how today's signing goes.
But I suspect Russia is spitting teeth. Their entire strategy in Ukraine has been about survivng to the point where Trump freezes the conflict. Yesterday was terrible for Putin - 2,710 casualties, 13 tanks lost, 38 armoured personnel carriers, 92 artillery systems. Russian and North Korean troops under siege within Kursk - Russia proper - with those trying to relieve them being destroyed. Ammunition not getting to the front.
It's a shit show for Putin.
Re: Starmer’s best day as PM but there’s always a Tweet – politicalbetting.com
Yep, Sir Keir has played a blinder. The raw politics of this are just sensational. The British Right are in disarray. I see even one or two posters on here, who were hitherto lecturing us about how Trump was a force for good and that his critics had 'Trump Derangement Syndrome', are now harrumphing that Sir Keir was insufficiently anti-Trump. Where do they go from here? Even their great cause of Chagos has now been neutralized.There are some on here who’s hatred of Starmer outweighs their support of our country. They wanted Starmer to fail in Washington. They want Starmer to fail in the UK, and f**k what’s best for the rest of us. There are words to describe such people. One begins with T. Another begins with Q.
Re: Starmer’s best day as PM but there’s always a Tweet – politicalbetting.com
This header sums up Starmer's hypocrisy rather well.
Similar tweets and statements from Starmer can be identified on the Winter Fuel Allowance, Foreign Aid cuts, WASPI women, the PM (Sunak at the time) taking what SKS perceived to be unnecessary flights, failing to declare donations, and so on.
I don't actually dramatically disagree with Starmer's actions when he reduces WFA and Foreign Aid, refuses to compensate the WASPI women and goes on lots of foreign trips - all necessary measures. But did he have to be so achingly sanctimonious when he thought others were doing it?
Likewise, I didn't see what the big deal was about the Lord Alli donations - mainly I was very glad that someone else's money had been wasted on needlessly expensive clothes and accessories, rather than my own - but we can be sure that if a PM of a different party had done it that Starmer would have been among the first to pass judgement on such moral failings.
Boris Johnson's arrogance was that knew he was a scoundrel, but wrongly assumed that he could always get away with it.
Starmer's arrogance is of a different sort; he seems to think that anything he does is virtuous because he is the one doing it, but is excessively sanctimonious when his opponents to do exactly the same thing. Most politicians are like this to an extent, but I am not sure I have ever seen it done with such an air of assumed moral superiority before.
This all drives me a little bonkers, but in truth it has very little consequence regarding the running of the government and will not be a defining issue in the next general election, even for me.
On-topic, I agree with the overall consensus that Starmer is thankfully getting on well with Trump, with similar scenes to that of Trump's first visit from Theresa May.
Similar tweets and statements from Starmer can be identified on the Winter Fuel Allowance, Foreign Aid cuts, WASPI women, the PM (Sunak at the time) taking what SKS perceived to be unnecessary flights, failing to declare donations, and so on.
I don't actually dramatically disagree with Starmer's actions when he reduces WFA and Foreign Aid, refuses to compensate the WASPI women and goes on lots of foreign trips - all necessary measures. But did he have to be so achingly sanctimonious when he thought others were doing it?
Likewise, I didn't see what the big deal was about the Lord Alli donations - mainly I was very glad that someone else's money had been wasted on needlessly expensive clothes and accessories, rather than my own - but we can be sure that if a PM of a different party had done it that Starmer would have been among the first to pass judgement on such moral failings.
Boris Johnson's arrogance was that knew he was a scoundrel, but wrongly assumed that he could always get away with it.
Starmer's arrogance is of a different sort; he seems to think that anything he does is virtuous because he is the one doing it, but is excessively sanctimonious when his opponents to do exactly the same thing. Most politicians are like this to an extent, but I am not sure I have ever seen it done with such an air of assumed moral superiority before.
This all drives me a little bonkers, but in truth it has very little consequence regarding the running of the government and will not be a defining issue in the next general election, even for me.
On-topic, I agree with the overall consensus that Starmer is thankfully getting on well with Trump, with similar scenes to that of Trump's first visit from Theresa May.
LDLF
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Re: Starmer’s best day as PM but there’s always a Tweet – politicalbetting.com
Starmer derangement syndrome in full force on PB this morning.
Jonathan
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Re: Starmer’s best day as PM but there’s always a Tweet – politicalbetting.com
Starmer did what he had to do. He did it pretty well. But it doesn’t change the fundamentals. Britain remains in an extremely vulnerable position.
Jonathan
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Re: It was the best of times, it was the worst of times – politicalbetting.com
I am in agreement with you, @Casino_Royale and @williamglenn.A selection of views from Canada about Starmer:I did watch the press conference and thought that was the most shameful answer.
https://x.com/susandelacourt/status/1895222310791192656
Ahem, Prime Minister @Keir_Starmer. That was a very good question on Canada and Trump's threats to this country, and with all respect, you blew the answer and threw us under the bus. Not feeling all that Commonwealthy right now.
https://x.com/levittmichael/status/1895286961600110970
Watching Keir Starmer’s groveling performance at the White House today was infuriating. At a time when Canada needed real support, he threw us under the bus without hesitation. An absolute disgrace!!
https://x.com/stphnmaher/status/1895286326246940890
I had kind of liked him. Now I suddenly despise him.
He could have just not answered the question and said 'We have a very strong relationship with Canada and continue to work closely with both them and our European friends" or something and not thrown them under the bus.
Your answer is the correct one.
rcs1000
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Re: Starmer’s best day as PM but there’s always a Tweet – politicalbetting.com
Didn't JD Vance once call Trump "Hitler"?Yes, but it's unclear whether or not Donald saw that as a criticism.
Re: It was the best of times, it was the worst of times – politicalbetting.com
That's simply not true.There was silence on here when Trump was attacking Canada previously. It's only when Starmer fails to defend them that it's suddenly an issue.A selection of views from Canada about Starmer:We should be backing Canada. 100%.
https://x.com/susandelacourt/status/1895222310791192656
Ahem, Prime Minister @Keir_Starmer. That was a very good question on Canada and Trump's threats to this country, and with all respect, you blew the answer and threw us under the bus. Not feeling all that Commonwealthy right now.
https://x.com/levittmichael/status/1895286961600110970
Watching Keir Starmer’s groveling performance at the White House today was infuriating. At a time when Canada needed real support, he threw us under the bus without hesitation. An absolute disgrace!!
https://x.com/stphnmaher/status/1895286326246940890
I had kind of liked him. Now I suddenly despise him.
rcs1000
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Re: It was the best of times, it was the worst of times – politicalbetting.com
The inconsistency is a concern, no question, but what Trump says is arguably less important than how his advisers interpret what is said.I think Starmer did ok and seems to be acknowledged and no Badenoch wouldn't have done anything differentlyThe devil will be in the detail as it is over all these "deals" including the Chagos Islands.We seem to be very excited tonight and even now shoutingAwkward, and it shows the political perils for Starmer. People who have been whipped up into a state of frenzy over Boris, Trump and Brexit will not suddenly start taking a sober view of the national interest. I expect the Lib Dems to gain at the expense of Labour.Yawn, you were DESPERATE for Sir Keir to fail and be walked all over you.
https://x.com/keir_starmer/status/1134833523959971840
An endorsement from Donald Trump tells you everything you need to know about what is wrong with Boris Johnson’s politics and why he isn’t fit to be Prime Minister.
Let's see how this plays out in the days and weeks ahead
Starmer did OK but if the price of avoiding tariffs is a US - UK trade deal with all the implications of that I doubt many Labour supporters will be happy nor Lib dems
I don't know what else Starmer could have said and done - you don't go to someone else's house and pick a fight in their living room. It may be different if and when Trump comes back to London - we know he can do deference himself.
The troupe of foreign leaders coming to the Oval Office illustrates the projection of American power for all to see. Whether you consider Starmer, Macron and the like supplicants or not, the truth is they have to pay a degree of homage at the court of the President - it's the reality of geopolitics and diplomacy.
Ask yourself - would Badenoch have done or said anything different today?
However we all know Trump is not to be trusted and who knows what he may say even tomorrow
Sense of perspective is needed and to be honest Mandelson looks as if he was instrumental in a lot of today's talks
After all, the war in the Ukraine was going to be ended within 24 hours (apparently) and yet there still seems to be plenty of fighting and dying going on so it's a question of weeding out the hyperbole in Trump's comments.
I think foreign leaders generally are getting a better understanding of how to "handle" Trump this time. The Japanese led the way but both Starmer and Macron have played a similar game - plenty of personal flattery and deference for Trump but don't let the likes of Vance get away with it.
stodge
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