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Re: Apologising for Brexit – politicalbetting.com
For the public finances I think it all went wrong with the EBSS:
- most people can afford a huge spike in energy bills, including me.
- there is a huge European war on between one country that grows loads of food and another that produces huge volumes of gas and oil. It's reasonable that prices go up, and it's not the fault of the government.
- We now have an entitlement society that doesn't just extend to a few council tenants but rather the entire population, in particular those owning property outright. The WFP histrionics is directly caused by this.
- we have an extensive and highly effective safety net. Sure, there are minor issues with it like weird tax incentives that require harsh sanctions to get people off the couch, but on the whole it's pretty good. It did not require a universal energy supplement on top. A top up to UC and Pension Credit? Maybe.
- there is now a complete disassociation between personal finances and the world economy, war and diplomacy, energy policy and so on. No one really cares about these things because they know politicians will buy their votes, and damn the long term consequences.
- Another example is COVID, where people at the bottom were protected from unemployment and rich people simply WFH and generated gigantic savings which fired inflation in the following years
Eabhal
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Re: Apologising for Brexit – politicalbetting.com
This is your regular reminder not to take medical advice from @Leon.Do you not have sleeping pills??!It’s because I was staying in a hotel last night that was the issue.Serious suggestion for @TSE : Have a look at an air-to-air reversible heat pump which can cool as well as heat at modest cost. You can get ones which are portable or are a single unit installed inside, or one with the other half outside.@TheScreamingEaglesI do not do very well in the heat, I have had about 2 hours sleep in about 15 minute blocks last night.
Were you feeling hot and bothered? Needed to start another argument on the same topic?
Aesthetic considerations may apply especially on the outside walls, but in time I'll going over to these for my whole heating system and I'm happy that I can do it tidily at my place.
Technically these can room by room, or one-to-several-rooms, but WiFi or remote controllers are available (I have an app on my phone).
At present I have a portable unit for trial (since 2. years ago) which is vented to a conservatory via an opening upperlight window, and I'm impressed. It takes the edge off the really hot summer period quite well. You could potentially get one for your bedroom, or for the landing to do the upstairs.
It would probably pay to take a careful look at noise levels if choosing.
I should have packed my Dyson fan.
I have an entire zip-up bag full of them. Xanax, Diazepam, Lorazepam, Zopiclone, melatonin, sleep-inducing anti-histamines. Just in case. I hate not sleeping
If you hop scotch between them, and use them carefully, you don’t get addicted to any one of them
rcs1000
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Re: Apologising for Brexit – politicalbetting.com
Yes I agree to an extent (although the amount that actually costs is tiny given the very small numbers of the upper earning groups) but people could talk about gold plated pensions for senior civil servants without having a go at all of the call centre workers, nurses, police workers etc who actually make up most of the public sector.I think the pensions for many public sector workers are not gold plated [ I know my daughter's isn’t] but it cannot be denied that in the upper earning groups it is a fair criticism'gold plated' is one of those political phrases that people always put in front of public sector pensions without thinking about it.It is simple, income tax/vat rises , end the gold plated public service pensions, 10% reduction in all benefits and then frozen for at least 5 years. No pay rises for public service unless self funding.Yes, fine, but how would you reduce the deficit and borrowing?Meanwhile another £17.7bn borrowed to fund the public sector and welfarism:It says:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/bulletins/publicsectorfinances/may2025
And an idiot Labour MP prefers to resign rather than do anything to slow future borrowing increases.
"Borrowing in the financial year to May 2025 was £37.7 billion; this was £1.6 billion more than in the same two-month period of 2024 and the third-highest April to May borrowing since monthly records began, after those of 2020 and 2021."
And Reeves answer to this was a public spending round that will eventually add another £140bn to current spending. We are heading for a disaster and those who put their hands over their ears and hum are doing those that need protection no good at all in the medium term.
I imagine we'll hear the same old mantras of "supply side reform", "50% haircut for public sector pensions", "tax cuts and spending cuts" from the usual suspects but was any of that on offer last July? Is any of that on offer now? You won't hear it from Labour, Reform, the Conservatives, Liberal Democrats or Greens - is there some other political movement advocating a return to a blanced budget? How would they achieve it?
"Putting your hands over your ears and humming", as you put it, isn't fair. Plenty of people see the problem but, as with the "small boats", no one has come up with an easy, popular and cheap solution - if there were one, we'd have done it by now.
So it comes back to who has to feel the pain - which group can you demonise enough so everyone will say "yeah, let them suffer" - public sector workers, pensioners, others on welfare, the wealthy, property owners, Scottish lawyers, children - where would you like to start?
No, the usual whingeing every month about the borrowing numbers belies the fact of how we got here and the fact previous Governments allowed us to reach this point. I know what I would do but when I've proposed it, I've had a barrage of abuse from those who already feel "overtaxed" and complain "they" can't pay any more but someone else could and should.
Easy peasy just needs some bollocks.
Re: Apologising for Brexit – politicalbetting.com
Oh please, Reform's plans will outdo Rachel Reeves, have you seen their unfunded plans?They are probably the only party with the balls to do it. Lib\Lab\Con will simply wheel out platitudes and let the problem roll on.I am resigned to the fact that we're only going to get our public spending sorted when somebody takes away our national credit card.Meanwhile another £17.7bn borrowed to fund the public sector and welfarism:It says:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/bulletins/publicsectorfinances/may2025
And an idiot Labour MP prefers to resign rather than do anything to slow future borrowing increases.
"Borrowing in the financial year to May 2025 was £37.7 billion; this was £1.6 billion more than in the same two-month period of 2024 and the third-highest April to May borrowing since monthly records began, after those of 2020 and 2021."
And Reeves answer to this was a public spending round that will eventually add another £140bn to current spending. We are heading for a disaster and those who put their hands over their ears and hum are doing those that need protection no good at all in the medium term.
It'll be fun if it happens under a Reform government.
Re: Apologising for Brexit – politicalbetting.com
Meanwhile another £17.7bn borrowed to fund the public sector and welfarism:It says:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/governmentpublicsectorandtaxes/publicsectorfinance/bulletins/publicsectorfinances/may2025
And an idiot Labour MP prefers to resign rather than do anything to slow future borrowing increases.
"Borrowing in the financial year to May 2025 was £37.7 billion; this was £1.6 billion more than in the same two-month period of 2024 and the third-highest April to May borrowing since monthly records began, after those of 2020 and 2021."
And Reeves answer to this was a public spending round that will eventually add another £140bn to current spending. We are heading for a disaster and those who put their hands over their ears and hum are doing those that need protection no good at all in the medium term.
DavidL
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Re: Apologising for Brexit – politicalbetting.com
More likely, it would push Reform into the mid-thirties, at the Conservatives’ expense.Yep, this is a sad and irrelevant argument persisted in by the sore losers who dominate our media and think that they know better. After 9 years of being told what a disaster this was many will believe it. Of course, the reality is that it simply hasn't been a factor in our fairly average performance.
I know we could have done more to seize the potential upsides of Brexit but there has been a reluctance to do this, principally because failure to keep our regulatory regimes in lockstep with the EU makes closer alignment more difficult. This is a reasonable point but it should be looked at in a case by case basis rather than across the board.
DavidL
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Re: Apologising for Brexit – politicalbetting.com
One day before the Brexit referendum, there was a Populus poll showing almost the exact same percentage of people favouring Remain.
Yougov was less biased towards Remain, but still showed a Remain lead of 51% -49%.
If the polls were this wrong back then, then what guarantee do we have that they are correct now ?
56% is hardly the type of overwhelming public support that would justify a public apology or active steps by the government to rejoin.

Yougov was less biased towards Remain, but still showed a Remain lead of 51% -49%.
If the polls were this wrong back then, then what guarantee do we have that they are correct now ?
56% is hardly the type of overwhelming public support that would justify a public apology or active steps by the government to rejoin.

vik
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Re: Apologising for Brexit – politicalbetting.com
Revelation of the morning, IDS is a biker (or a motorcyclist as he put it). Will the quiet man be buying a set of noisy pipes for his ride?Born to be mild...
Re: Vox populi, vox Dei – politicalbetting.com
"Jaws Of Life" my arse. Only retained firefighters who think Backdraft is a training film call them that. The sharp ones are cutters, the blunt ones are spreaders and if they have both edges they're a combi.
If there's no one trapped, they're just "Making Safe", in an ICE vehicle, that's just disconnecting the battery-impacts cause door/bonnet/boot locks to jam, so it's usually easier to just force it open. EVs are more problematic, but we have Mobile Data Terminal on pumps that give us a blow up schematic of any vehicle in the database that tells us where switches, cables and isolators are.
We don't ever touch undeployed airbags. Best just keep out of the way of those puppies.
If there's no one trapped, they're just "Making Safe", in an ICE vehicle, that's just disconnecting the battery-impacts cause door/bonnet/boot locks to jam, so it's usually easier to just force it open. EVs are more problematic, but we have Mobile Data Terminal on pumps that give us a blow up schematic of any vehicle in the database that tells us where switches, cables and isolators are.
We don't ever touch undeployed airbags. Best just keep out of the way of those puppies.
Re: Vox populi, vox Dei – politicalbetting.com
Wouldn't you prefer a good game of chess?




