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"Donald Trump says the US could deport 'homegrown criminals' to El Salvador jail

The Trump administration has sent hundreds of alleged Venezuelan gang members to a notorious facility in El Salvador, since March, but the president has now suggested that "homegrown criminals" could also be sent there."

https://news.sky.com/story/donald-trump-says-the-us-could-deport-homegrown-criminals-to-el-salvador-jail-13348980

They appear to be just picking people off the streets now. They cold not find their target, so they picked up someone with no criminal record and no tattoos:

https://x.com/vodkasnowflake/status/1911832487329739261/photo/1

This is where we will end up if we are not careful. We've already had @Leon professing how China deals with its Muslim population: which, if you remember, is massive 're-education' camps holding millions.

Do not believe it will just be the 'bad' people who end up there. It will be anyone who catches the attention of authorities, for whatever reason, or just people found on the streets.

It will be people like my wife.
It will be people like @TheScreamingEagles

And lots of the anti-woke, anti MeToo and anti-DEI people will mutter under their breaths "How terrible!" whilst secretly wondering if they'll be next. And their freedoms, too, will slowly be eroded.

Do you think that’s it? One user in particular does like to wind up and freely admits it, but you can always just ignore.

With the amount they spam and post in certain threads it’s basically impossible. I’d support a posting limit for us all, maybe 5 posts a day maximum.

It’s not impossible, and imposing a limit on posts would be a death knell for comments. You current account has nearly a thousand days of posts on that scale.

I don't post as often as I used to (among other things getting married again on Wednesday, hooray), but I think the current system still works well. There are one or two posters who I tend to skim past (maybe they skim me too), but that's no more of a problem than the newsstand having papers that I don't usually read. PB still works well IMO, giving a flow of news and opinion from people with a common interest in how we're governed.

Congratulations! I hope that you and her and her will be very happy together...

Evening all

Not sure I want to poke a sick bear either - hope you feel better soon, Robert.

I always enjoy a good rant on immigration - we now see the two aspects to the question. In simple terms, what do we do to stop "them" coming? What do we do about the ones already here?

No one, it seems to me, has come up with a coherent approach to net zero migration apart from having it as a policy objective but that's up there with good public services, balanced public finances, strong defences and low inflation as platitudes which we all know to be largely unachievable currently.

What does "net zero migration" look like? One out, one in presumably. Not sure how that would work in practice - all those arriving illegally immediately deported without process (genuine refugees?) but how else would this be monitored without a considerable bureaucracy monitoring arrivals and departures?

While we're struggling with that, what about those already here, whether legally or illegally? The immediate deportation of all foreign-born criminals irrespective of the crime and sentence but do we go for a one strike and you're out whereby any non-British citizen convicted of any custodial offence gets immediately deported?

We'd need to spend a lot on enhancing the border protection side of law enforcement to hunt down visa overstayers (presumably mainly students) and deport them as well.

What about re-migration (or voluntary repatriation as it used to be called)? Do we offer those from for example Syria money to return? What about those from other countries (including EU members)?

Some of these questions may seem harsh but they seem to be to the main obstacles to the implementation of the kind of policies being put forward by Reform and others. There seem to be some serious financial aspects to all this in terms of needing to spend a lot of money to make the policy work.

Besides the practical questions about immigration and migration, there's the cultural angle to all of this. That's where the waters get even murkier.

I think there will be an Islamic Political party here within the next decade or two which will see UK politics change like never before. I doubt there is anything that can be done by those who wish immigration should have been limited in the past now. It is over. I feel like a white man living in late 1960s Salisbury, Rhodesia

My guess is there will be a new country formed in the Eastern European nations which haven't succumbed to Islamic immigration and people will start to move there. A bit like Orania in South Africa.

You feel like "a white man living in late 1960s Salisbury, Rhodesia"? What the actual fuck?! Do you thinklate '60s Rhodesia is a model we should be following?

Yes, I feel like England is still a nice place to live for a middle class, white man, and they/I enjoy an amount of privilege that fifty years ago would have been considered perfectly normal. But the country is changing, and soon "we" won't be in charge any more and so I think the comparison with late 60s Rhodesia is apt. The white/Europeans there were basking in the twilight of their gilded lives, knowing in the back of their mind that it was all going to end soon, and that's how I feel about England.

I am a human. I feel like England is a nice place to live for humans. You talk of “we”, but my idea of “we” is not based on other people matching my skin tone or my gender, it’s not based on whether someone was born near or far.

Maybe it, the pleasantness of England, will end, but if it does, it won’t end because immigrants exist and some people’s ancestors worshipped a different sky god. No, it will end because racists and misogynist sociopaths gain power through lies and propaganda, as has happened in the US.