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Re: I can’t remember how to write 1, 1000, 51, 6, and 500 in Roman numerals, I M LIVID
The most telling part of the episode for me was after the shouting match had calmed a little and Trump said he had let it run 'so that the American people can see what we're dealing with' (I've paraphrased).
At this point Zelenskyy says something like 'Mr.President please don't use this in that way' or similar.
I think at this point Zelenskyy realised quite how badly this would be spun in US, and perhaps that this had been a deliberate setup by Trump and Vance. His heart must have dropped to the floor.
A fundamentally decent, brave, honest man being fucked over in front of our eyes by two pathetic cowards. It makes my blood boil.
At this point Zelenskyy says something like 'Mr.President please don't use this in that way' or similar.
I think at this point Zelenskyy realised quite how badly this would be spun in US, and perhaps that this had been a deliberate setup by Trump and Vance. His heart must have dropped to the floor.
A fundamentally decent, brave, honest man being fucked over in front of our eyes by two pathetic cowards. It makes my blood boil.
maxh
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Re: I can’t remember how to write 1, 1000, 51, 6, and 500 in Roman numerals, I M LIVID
It's hard to know exactly what an appropriate response to this is in relation to the USA, but I do know one thing: the meeting of European leaders this Sunday could not have had a clearer impetus.
If they collectively bottle taking decisive measures to allow Europe to stand alone in defence within 3-5 years, including defending Ukraine to the extent that we are capable of doing so, starting Monday, every single one of them deserves to be thrown out of office.
If things weren't clear before, they surely are now.
If they collectively bottle taking decisive measures to allow Europe to stand alone in defence within 3-5 years, including defending Ukraine to the extent that we are capable of doing so, starting Monday, every single one of them deserves to be thrown out of office.
If things weren't clear before, they surely are now.
maxh
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Re: I can’t remember how to write 1, 1000, 51, 6, and 500 in Roman numerals, I M LIVID
Gven the complete inability of the EU to do anything in a unified manner - and the fact that some members are openly hostile to Ukraine, plus the fact it would take decades and completely new Treaties - unanimously agreed by all current members - to get any new members, this is, as I said, an idiotic idea. Far better to get those countries that are willing to form a new defence organisation including Ukraine but with the USA and countries like Hungary left out in the cold.If we (and Canada) can no longer rely on the US (and thus NATO) an expanded EU is our best bet.Not the EU. It’s something else but the something needs to form this weekend.Or else he invites Zelensky for a State Visit first and the King also travels to Canada before Trump arrives (I believe they were hoping to confine Trump to Balmoral Estate, Dumfries House and Windsor Castle and keep him out of London anyway)Yesterday not looking quite such a good day for Starmer.Starmer can only correct this by withdrawing the invite
He has just invited for a second state visit to the UK a US President who has just engaged in a shouting match with Zelensky for not grovelling to him enough for a deal while trying to defend his country from Putin
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/02/28/zelensky-trump-meeting-white-house-us/?WT.mc_id=e_DM524873&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_FPM_New&utmsource=email&utm_medium=Edi_FPM_New20250228&utm_campaign=DM524873
The King cannot welcome Trump now
Can anyone imagine the demonstrations
Just not acceptable and a case could be made for the invite being offered far too soon anywayRejoin the EU, invite Canada and Ukraine to also join.Or else he invites Zelensky for a State Visit first and the King also travels to Canada before Trump arrives (I believe they were hoping to confine Trump to Balmoral Estate, Dumfries House and Windsor Castle and keep him out of London anyway)Yesterday not looking quite such a good day for Starmer.Starmer can only correct this by withdrawing the invite
He has just invited for a second state visit to the UK a US President who has just engaged in a shouting match with Zelensky for not grovelling to him enough for a deal while trying to defend his country from Putin
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/us/politics/2025/02/28/zelensky-trump-meeting-white-house-us/?WT.mc_id=e_DM524873&WT.tsrc=email&etype=Edi_FPM_New&utmsource=email&utm_medium=Edi_FPM_New20250228&utm_campaign=DM524873
The King cannot welcome Trump now
Can anyone imagine the demonstrations
Just not acceptable and a case could be made for the invite being offered far too soon anyway
Re: I can’t remember how to write 1, 1000, 51, 6, and 500 in Roman numerals, I M LIVID
I'm surprised that anybody's remotely surprised to discover that Trump is a nasty, unpleasant, rude bully.It's not so much surprise, right thinking people know that Trump is a rapist, a felon, a liar, an idiot, a conman, a braggart, and so on, but perhaps never before has is been shown so starkly in such serious circumstances.
No joke, I don't see how any leader in Europe could watch that and not think "the US is taking the side of our greatest enemy." Any reliance on America now is at out peril. We need to disengage from the US across the board as rapidly as possible.
glw
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Re: I can’t remember how to write 1, 1000, 51, 6, and 500 in Roman numerals, I M LIVID
Zelensky kicked out of the White House.Pathetic statement saying he disrespected the Oval Office. Trump and Vance were the ones that disrespected the office.
jonny83
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Re: I can’t remember how to write 1, 1000, 51, 6, and 500 in Roman numerals, I M LIVID
I cannot recall anything that has united our forum in condemnation across the political divide than has happened live on our tv screens in the last hour
Re: I can’t remember how to write 1, 1000, 51, 6, and 500 in Roman numerals, I M LIVID
Good excuse to cancel Chagos too.
Eabhal
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Re: I can’t remember how to write 1, 1000, 51, 6, and 500 in Roman numerals, I M LIVID
This is the new world order. We tried to save the old world. It was definitely worth the attempt. But we have to accept the new reality.
Jonathan
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Re: I can’t remember how to write 1, 1000, 51, 6, and 500 in Roman numerals, I M LIVID
I think Zelensky handled that as well as he could. Publicly humiliated by Trump and Vance - but I think he’ll come out stronger.
Re: I can’t remember how to write 1, 1000, 51, 6, and 500 in Roman numerals, I M LIVID
For those saying Zelenskyy should have handled Trump differently: put yourself in his shoes. For the past three years he has been in the midst of a war, sleeping little, knowing his country isn't winning. And know he knows he has been betrayed utterly.
I'm amazed he didn't try to punch Vance.
I'm amazed he didn't try to punch Vance.
maxh
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