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[Andrew Bridgen's] Libel claim against Matt Hancock can go to trial
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The High Court previously heard that Mr Bridgen shared a link to an article that "concerned data about deaths and other adverse reactions linked to Covid vaccines".

Mr Bridgen, who was MP for North West Leicestershire from 2010 to 2024, wrote: "As one consultant cardiologist said to me, this is the biggest crime against humanity since the Holocaust."

Hours later, Mr Hancock shared a video, captioned: "The disgusting and dangerous antisemitic, anti-vax, anti-scientific conspiracy theories spouted by a sitting MP this morning are unacceptable and have absolutely no place in our society."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg83nl00vqo

Former Tory MPs to go toe-to-toe. TwiX, anti-vax, anti-semitism, and did I mention Tories? Huzzah for libel lawyers. Huzzah for free speech. Or not.

It's a sad day when one finds themselves rooting for Matt Hancock.

Are these claims about the vaccines entirely nonsense? I’ve had sane friends claim there is genuine evidence of harm, and incautious use

I confess I haven’t examined any of it myself

Holy crap - posters don’t like a poster and happy he isn’t hear cluttering up the site then feel the need to come on and post about said poster and clutter up the site with posts about evil drunk/fascist poster.

Here’s an idea, if you don’t like Leon then skip his posts, don’t respond, don’t post about him not being here.

It’s like saying Beetlejuice/candyman three times then moaning when he shows up.

Tragic.

The tragedy is that you are the only person who has mentioned him!

You really MUST be obsessed

Boulay did get a dozen likes for his defence of the PB One (whoever that might be). Perhaps we could have a regular themed event on the lines of Fox and friends. Fash and friends?

Now that's funny! 12 'likes' for saying he likes Leon!

He should become an influencer

Either that or Leon has used his 12 identities to demonstrate his gratitude.

I see Leon's continued descent down the rabbit hole has reached the anti-vax stage this morning.

I see you’re a still a wearying cretin. I merely asked if there are genuine, evidence-based concerns about the vaccines, as I’ve heard concerning stories/facts from clever friends...

I don't know what the "concerning stories/facts from clever friends" are so cannot comment on the specifics, but I think I can speak to the general case. Any surgical/medical intervention may cause a problem and that problem may be mild or severe. Consequently the existence of a "concerning story/facts" is not unsurprising.

To deal with this we need to know the rate: not just "a bad thing happened" but "the number of bad things happening is X per 100,000 patients". Once that is known the risk can be assessed. So to work that out you'll need to get studies and look at them.

It's' probably best to avoid preprints (unreviewed studies put up to excite comment) and i don't know how to deal with Plos One

As the internet continues to colonise our lives, this phenomenon of "I’ve heard concerning stories/facts from clever friends" continues to grow and concern. We are built to operate in small tribes on the savannah and our pattern recognition is geared to that. Our risk assessment capacity in the 2020s is fucked.

No, this is simply not true


The reason I was able to work out it likely came from the lab two years before the rest of PB is because I did the OPPOSITE of this. Even as everyone else was being sheperded to the neat desirable non-Chinese-annoying non-science-embarrassing conclusion it 100% came from the wet market, I stepped away from the consensus and used my own eyes and brain, and worked out this *certainty* was ludicrous. That there was, at the very least, a high likelihood it came from the lab

Years later everyone now mumbles and agrees and shuffles about and says "anyway what does it matter we can't ever know for SURE"

Twats

That’s quite obviously just BS.

On every issue, relentlessly, you simply take the most extreme, dramatic, conspiracy-ridden position. We all know that, having watched the stream of ill-thought-out bilge that you and your previous incarnations have posted on here for years and years. If you do get one right, it’s pure chance. Your lack of brain power doesn’t come into it.

Holy crap - posters don’t like a poster and happy he isn’t hear cluttering up the site then feel the need to come on and post about said poster and clutter up the site with posts about evil drunk/fascist poster.

Here’s an idea, if you don’t like Leon then skip his posts, don’t respond, don’t post about him not being here.

It’s like saying Beetlejuice/candyman three times then moaning when he shows up.

Tragic.

The tragedy is that you are the only person who has mentioned him!

You really MUST be obsessed

Boulay did get a dozen likes for his defence of the PB One (whoever that might be). Perhaps we could have a regular themed event on the lines of Fox and friends. Fash and friends?

Now that's funny! 12 'likes' for saying he likes Leon!

He should become an influencer

Either that or Leon has used his 12 identities to demonstrate his gratitude.

I see Leon's continued descent down the rabbit hole has reached the anti-vax stage this morning.

I see you’re a still a wearying cretin. I merely asked if there are genuine, evidence-based concerns about the vaccines, as I’ve heard concerning stories/facts from clever friends - but have never personally scrutinised the issue

Judging by the post from Mr Cumbrian View other people have grave qualms

The slow restriction of Astra Zeneca, on grounds of danger, is undeniably true

When you say 'clever friends' do you use the same metrics that you used to determine your own intelligence. It is obviously important to us to determine whether they are really clever or not.

Holy crap - posters don’t like a poster and happy he isn’t hear cluttering up the site then feel the need to come on and post about said poster and clutter up the site with posts about evil drunk/fascist poster.

Here’s an idea, if you don’t like Leon then skip his posts, don’t respond, don’t post about him not being here.

It’s like saying Beetlejuice/candyman three times then moaning when he shows up.

Tragic.

The tragedy is that you are the only person who has mentioned him!

You really MUST be obsessed

Boulay did get a dozen likes for his defence of the PB One (whoever that might be). Perhaps we could have a regular themed event on the lines of Fox and friends. Fash and friends?

Now that's funny! 12 'likes' for saying he likes Leon!

He should become an influencer

Either that or Leon has used his 12 identities to demonstrate his gratitude.

I see Leon's continued descent down the rabbit hole has reached the anti-vax stage this morning.

I see you’re a still a wearying cretin. I merely asked if there are genuine, evidence-based concerns about the vaccines, as I’ve heard concerning stories/facts from clever friends...

I don't know what the "concerning stories/facts from clever friends" are so cannot comment on the specifics, but I think I can speak to the general case. Any surgical/medical intervention may cause a problem and that problem may be mild or severe. Consequently the existence of a "concerning story/facts" is not unsurprising.

To deal with this we need to know the rate: not just "a bad thing happened" but "the number of bad things happening is X per 100,000 patients". Once that is known the risk can be assessed. So to work that out you'll need to get studies and look at them.

It's' probably best to avoid preprints (unreviewed studies put up to excite comment) and i don't know how to deal with Plos One

As the internet continues to colonise our lives, this phenomenon of "I’ve heard concerning stories/facts from clever friends" continues to grow and concern. We are built to operate in small tribes on the savannah and our pattern recognition is geared to that. Our risk assessment capacity in the 2020s is fucked.

No, this is simply not true


The reason I was able to work out it likely came from the lab two years before the rest of PB is because I did the OPPOSITE of this. Even as everyone else was being sheperded to the neat desirable non-Chinese-annoying non-science-embarrassing conclusion it 100% came from the wet market, I stepped away from the consensus and used my own eyes and brain, and worked out this *certainty* was ludicrous. That there was, at the very least, a high likelihood it came from the lab

Years later everyone now mumbles and agrees and shuffles about and says "anyway what does it matter we can't ever know for SURE"

Twats

In the case of vaccine reactions, you can either take the scientific, detailed evidence from the reporting of effects*. There’s a whole raft of papers on the subject.

Or you can use feelz from your mates.

The scientific results are that the reactions to the various COVID vaccines are multiple orders of magnitude less probable and less serious than COVID itself. When you factor in the probability of getting COVID (which is still out there), it stills ends up as vastly more risky *not* to be vaccinated.

*there is a system of reporting such effects in every country I can think of.

I'm not arguing about the friggijg vax. As I said, merely politely asking

Were you one of the twats 100% sure it came from the wet market?

Thank you for the rudeness.

This indicates that you have reached stage 3 on the classic conspiracy theory structure.

1) "I'm just asking a question"
2) Get given the same information as the x previous times.
3) Angrily - ""I'm just asking questions. I don't actually believe it."
4) Wait some time
.....
1) "I'm just asking a question"

Ah, so you WERE one of the embarrassing, deluded wet marketeers

All that digging of a hole - shouldn't you hire a drag line excavator and go easy on your back?

Holy crap - posters don’t like a poster and happy he isn’t hear cluttering up the site then feel the need to come on and post about said poster and clutter up the site with posts about evil drunk/fascist poster.

Here’s an idea, if you don’t like Leon then skip his posts, don’t respond, don’t post about him not being here.

It’s like saying Beetlejuice/candyman three times then moaning when he shows up.

Tragic.

The tragedy is that you are the only person who has mentioned him!

You really MUST be obsessed

Boulay did get a dozen likes for his defence of the PB One (whoever that might be). Perhaps we could have a regular themed event on the lines of Fox and friends. Fash and friends?

Now that's funny! 12 'likes' for saying he likes Leon!

He should become an influencer

Either that or Leon has used his 12 identities to demonstrate his gratitude.

I see Leon's continued descent down the rabbit hole has reached the anti-vax stage this morning.

I see you’re a still a wearying cretin. I merely asked if there are genuine, evidence-based concerns about the vaccines, as I’ve heard concerning stories/facts from clever friends...

I don't know what the "concerning stories/facts from clever friends" are so cannot comment on the specifics, but I think I can speak to the general case. Any surgical/medical intervention may cause a problem and that problem may be mild or severe. Consequently the existence of a "concerning story/facts" is not unsurprising.

To deal with this we need to know the rate: not just "a bad thing happened" but "the number of bad things happening is X per 100,000 patients". Once that is known the risk can be assessed. So to work that out you'll need to get studies and look at them.

It's' probably best to avoid preprints (unreviewed studies put up to excite comment) and i don't know how to deal with Plos One

As the internet continues to colonise our lives, this phenomenon of "I’ve heard concerning stories/facts from clever friends" continues to grow and concern. We are built to operate in small tribes on the savannah and our pattern recognition is geared to that. Our risk assessment capacity in the 2020s is fucked.

No, this is simply not true


The reason I was able to work out it likely came from the lab two years before the rest of PB is because I did the OPPOSITE of this. Even as everyone else was being sheperded to the neat desirable non-Chinese-annoying non-science-embarrassing conclusion it 100% came from the wet market, I stepped away from the consensus and used my own eyes and brain, and worked out this *certainty* was ludicrous. That there was, at the very least, a high likelihood it came from the lab

Years later everyone now mumbles and agrees and shuffles about and says "anyway what does it matter we can't ever know for SURE"

Twats

In the case of vaccine reactions, you can either take the scientific, detailed evidence from the reporting of effects*. There’s a whole raft of papers on the subject.

Or you can use feelz from your mates.

The scientific results are that the reactions to the various COVID vaccines are multiple orders of magnitude less probable and less serious than COVID itself. When you factor in the probability of getting COVID (which is still out there), it stills ends up as vastly more risky *not* to be vaccinated.

*there is a system of reporting such effects in every country I can think of.

I'm not arguing about the friggijg vax. As I said, merely politely asking

Were you one of the twats 100% sure it came from the wet market?

Thank you for the rudeness.

This indicates that you have reached stage 3 on the classic conspiracy theory structure.

1) "I'm just asking a question"
2) Get given the same information as the x previous times.
3) Angrily - ""I'm just asking questions. I don't actually believe it."
4) Wait some time
.....
1) "I'm just asking a question"

Holy crap - posters don’t like a poster and happy he isn’t hear cluttering up the site then feel the need to come on and post about said poster and clutter up the site with posts about evil drunk/fascist poster.

Here’s an idea, if you don’t like Leon then skip his posts, don’t respond, don’t post about him not being here.

It’s like saying Beetlejuice/candyman three times then moaning when he shows up.

Tragic.

The tragedy is that you are the only person who has mentioned him!

You really MUST be obsessed

Boulay did get a dozen likes for his defence of the PB One (whoever that might be). Perhaps we could have a regular themed event on the lines of Fox and friends. Fash and friends?

Now that's funny! 12 'likes' for saying he likes Leon!

He should become an influencer

Either that or Leon has used his 12 identities to demonstrate his gratitude.

I see Leon's continued descent down the rabbit hole has reached the anti-vax stage this morning.

I see you’re a still a wearying cretin. I merely asked if there are genuine, evidence-based concerns about the vaccines, as I’ve heard concerning stories/facts from clever friends - but have never personally scrutinised the issue

Judging by the post from Mr Cumbrian View other people have grave qualms

The slow restriction of Astra Zeneca, on grounds of danger, is undeniably true