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Re: You were working as a waitress in a cocktail bar when I met you – politicalbetting.com
Have we had any posts on why the Kruger defections puts more pressure on Starmer?


Re: You were working as a waitress in a cocktail bar when I met you – politicalbetting.com
Frinton is lovely, it’s certainly not a poor part of the UK, it’s probably one of the richer parts of the SEThe thing about Farage's girlfriend is that the BBC article, when read in detail, contradicts the claim that her family was not rich enough for her to own the flat.That wasn't the figures I've seen about that building previously - it was a factor of 10 out with rent being 9,500 to 11,000 euros.
Her parents own a 300,000 euro flat in Strasbourg, but a family company owns a very valuable building that is estimated to generate an income of 95-110,000 euros a year. That building must be worth 2-2.5m euros. And, if they've been getting a rent like that for several years, the company should have hundreds of thousands of euros in its accounts.
Equally it's the parents money so why suddenly is it being used to buy something in a poor part of the UK..

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Re: You were working as a waitress in a cocktail bar when I met you – politicalbetting.com
I think he'll guard against that by making sure they're not worth nicking.Nigel needs to be careful there. What stops Labour from nicking his ideas?(Guardian)Kruger was a big beast inasmuch as there were any left in the Cons party. Good thinker, not my cup of tea but I get it.I doubt Nigel gives a flying fig about spending plans. His voters are all convinced that the mass expulsion of immigrants will rectify every financial problem. When that particular panacea fails to work under a Reform government, its leadership (as they did with Brexit) will just move on to something else.
Perhaps he thinks he can shape Reform around himself and the "drunken sailor spending" comment was one thing that made Reform approach him to define their spending plans rather than criticise them.
..The last question at the press conference came from my colleague Aletha Adu.
Q: [To Kruger] Do you take back your claim that Reform UK would spend money like drunken sailors?
Kruger said he was confident that the party would be able to come up with fully-costed, workable plans.
He said when he criticised Reform’s spending plans recently, he was referring to their welfare plans. But at the Reform conference, Farage committed the party to welfare reform, he said.
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Farage ended by saying there would be a press conference next week where “we will show you how we propose to save huge amounts of money”.

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Re: You were working as a waitress in a cocktail bar when I met you – politicalbetting.com
Is that code, or a new euphemism ?My sauna elf is made of soapstoneIs that cos they couldn't find the right lid when they shut down?Devizes (borders) is surely too classy for a Reform MP?Norway? (from the soapstone: there are still Viking Tupperware mines to be seen in Shetland)
Meanwhile, lunch is pork ribs cooked in a well-greased soapstone pot; the traditional dish of...where? (No, not Hicksville USA)

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Re: You were working as a waitress in a cocktail bar when I met you – politicalbetting.com
Labour MPs?Nigel needs to be careful there. What stops Labour from nicking his ideas?(Guardian)Kruger was a big beast inasmuch as there were any left in the Cons party. Good thinker, not my cup of tea but I get it.I doubt Nigel gives a flying fig about spending plans. His voters are all convinced that the mass expulsion of immigrants will rectify every financial problem. When that particular panacea fails to work under a Reform government, its leadership (as they did with Brexit) will just move on to something else.
Perhaps he thinks he can shape Reform around himself and the "drunken sailor spending" comment was one thing that made Reform approach him to define their spending plans rather than criticise them.
..The last question at the press conference came from my colleague Aletha Adu.
Q: [To Kruger] Do you take back your claim that Reform UK would spend money like drunken sailors?
Kruger said he was confident that the party would be able to come up with fully-costed, workable plans.
He said when he criticised Reform’s spending plans recently, he was referring to their welfare plans. But at the Reform conference, Farage committed the party to welfare reform, he said.
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Farage ended by saying there would be a press conference next week where “we will show you how we propose to save huge amounts of money”.
Re: You were working as a waitress in a cocktail bar when I met you – politicalbetting.com
Hardly out of character.Student politics from the LibDem leader.This is not the header I was expecting.I've written to Keir Starmer, Kemi Badenoch and Nigel Farage, urging them to join me in condemning Elon Musk's dangerous remarks inciting violence yesterday.
The pb Tories who did not bark in the night time. Is it just me who noticed that of all our party leaders, it is only Kemi who had a good week?
Keir Starmer – under attack from his own side over his lack of political judgement or even plain common sense when appointing and then backing up to the last moment Lord Mandelson who has now had to resign three times for what was, at least to a first approximation, the same pattern of behaviour, being entranced by men considerably richer than him: Geoffrey Robinson, the Hindujas, Jeffrey Epstein. (On second thoughts, who better to inveigle himself into the inner circle of a billionaire property developer and cryptocurrency grifter?)
Ed Davey – the honourable member for falling in the water is being criticised by his own side for irrelevant stunts.
Nigel Farage – stamp duty obviously but also risks being outflanked by Tommy Robinson who attracted somewhere north of 100,000 largely peaceful protestors to London, along with squillionaire cheque-writer Elon Musk.
Kemi Badenoch – widely praised for an excellent PMQs and now can lay claim to two top Labour scalps.
And where were pb's Conservatives? Arguing about crowd sizes and frantically trawling the interwebs for a culture war about the assassination of a man who this time last week they could not have picked out of a police line-up even if he wore his MAGA hat. Poor old Kemi.
As leaders, we must stand together and make clear Musk will face serious consequences for these actions.
https://x.com/EdwardJDavey/status/1967294733643829750


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Re: You were working as a waitress in a cocktail bar when I met you – politicalbetting.com
Farage is a big positive for Reform but that’s also a weakness for their election chances if his popularity falls .They've led in the polls in the last 6 or 7 months, the 'Tories are finished' stuff is laughable. Immediacy bias. They might disintegrate. They might also win 160 seats next time and be either jointly in government or the opposition to a minority Reform or Labour administration.
The party is a one man band . For that reason I wouldn’t be writing off the Tories just yet .
Re: You were working as a waitress in a cocktail bar when I met you – politicalbetting.com
Should we consider another possibility for Tory MPs who can see their party circulating the plug-hole? Might some of them be tempted to defect leftwards, to the Lib Dems, or Labour? A few months ago I might have suggested one or two considering the Greens, but Mr Polanski has put the tin lid on that.It’s hard to see them going to Labour on current trajectories. That’s a frying pan to the fire move.
But, if the Tory Partty is in terminal decline (still unclear) and if some Tory MPs are careerist hacks (undoubtedly) then perhaps the remnants of the One Nation tendency might move elsewhere other than ReformUK.
Lib Dems more plausible, to me.
Re: You were working as a waitress in a cocktail bar when I met you – politicalbetting.com
Betting on Ange's replacement continues to move one way on Betfair, albeit to small amounts.How on earth can they be making such a big mistake? Phillipson is hugely more impressive than Powell.
Lucy Powell 1.32
Bridget Phillipson 4
or in old money, 1/3 and 3/1, giving implied chances of 75 per cent and 25 per cent respectively.

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Re: You were working as a waitress in a cocktail bar when I met you – politicalbetting.com
He'd just say he was being hamstrung by the government.No reform voter is going to like the answers that come out when reality is applied to that 2029 manifesto so no Reform Spokesman is going to provide details because they would be laughed at.@DavidTWilcockIs there on the record any sensible lengthy discussion between a proper economics journalist and a Reform economics/finance spokesperson about their current policy on tax/spend/debt/deficit?
In July, Mr Kruger used a speech in the Commons to warn that Reform would 'spend money like drunken sailors' if they went into Government.
I noticed recently Tice being allowed to get away with saying that they couldn't say now what their 2029 policy would be on these matters. If they are a potential party of government the voter is entitled to be interested in how they would do the hard stuff differently now.
As I said a while back the best plan to deal with the boats would have been to offered Farage some control over the approach used so we could watch him flounder the way everyone else does. Some how or other he needs to be brought into things in a way that he can no longer scream from the sidelines..
Not a good idea.

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