While the Greek Coastguard literally sank a ship full of migrants, the U.K. block booked the kind of three star hotels that have the treadmills next to the indoor pool.You're confusing One Nation/patrician with liberal. Johnson was radically liberal on immigration.A government effectively being run by Mark Francois and Bill Cash I don't think can be described as "liberal".The reason that non-EU migration exploded since Brexit is that it coincided with an extremely liberal government being elected, combined with the schemes for people from Ukraine and Hong Kong.There has clearly been a change in immigration numbers and pattern since we Brexited. The really big increases are since Brexit. Feel free to offer an explanation for what has happened. I suggest freedom of movement meant labour shortages could be filled without as much long term immigration.The vast majority of immigration even pre-Brexit was from outside the EU. EU membership was a scapegoat because free movement was used as a scapegoat for not restricting migration more generally.I wouldn't say "government after government has refused to do so". Immigration hasn't been consistently high for decades. See figure 2 at https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/ It was not particularly high under Thatcher/Major. It rose somewhat under New Labour, dropped a little bit with the global crash, inched higher under Cameron, a bit lower under May, collapsed because of COVID-19, and then went stratospheric after Brexit. So, that reflects both global trends and government policies. When people talk about millions of immigrants, that's a post-Brexit thing. The EU allowed for labour mobility, but people came and went. After Brexit, the pattern of immigration is very different.I was more thinking of self-exclusion.You see how easily you slip into thoughts about excluding people due to competition for resources? The level of immigration is the biggest threat to the colour-blind (or anything-blind) society you want to protect.You can leave if you think it might help.Everyone plus 2 million over the next 3 years?Everyone.Not enough housing for whom?You are a fucking dolt.Indeed. I believe it’s our education system. Anti racism and Not Talking About Immigration has been drummed into them from the age of 5 so they don’t even have the language or bandwidth to talk about it or even conceive that it is an issueIt’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloudThe obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.Explains a lotLove the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
@JulianGallie
What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
Plus they can see the intense social pain inflicted on anyone that tries to talk about it, so their aversion is logical
Comparisons with education in the communist era of Eastern Europe are not entirely inapt. The guides here in Moldova have been explaining to me how they were brainwashed as kids to believe in the Soviet system even when it was clearly failing
It is successive governments not building enough houses or schools or hospitals or whatnot that is the issue. Not immigration. The education and its detested focus on "anti-racism" has been hugely successful and means that the vast majority of our children are colour-blind (and XXX-blind also). Not everyone but broadly.
They - and you - should be campaigning for the government to be able to accommodate us all, not stopping some of us from being here.
That said, if you could do us all a favour and stay in the undoubted paradise that is Moldova rather than ever coming to the UK that would mean one more immigrant family able to move in to NW1. Hurrah!
We can never build enough for 'everyone' if 'everyone' continues to expand at such a rapid rate.
We sort of can build enough for "everyone" unless you have an idea to restrict population growth. What was the stat the other day? Some ridiculously small percentage of the UK is built upon.
But that's not the point. The point, as small children from Hartlepool understand - and our very own Dura upthread pointed out - is that it is wholly within our power to cut immigration. But government after government has refused to do so. Governments are elected on a popular mandate to do stuff and we quite simply haven't asked ours in recent times to prioritise restricting immigration.
Richard Tice was on the radio this morning saying legal and illegal immigration needs attention so come July 4th we will see if the Great British Public, with a golden opportunity finally to do something about it, agrees with him and votes for Reform.
All the "liberal" Tories fucked off after/over Brexit.
Moldova is brilliantly mad. All the walnut trees belong to the state. They nationalised them - specifically - the walnutsI like to imagine you've a Moldovan doppelganger currently posting his amazement that centuries ago we nationalised all swans.
Someone should adopt that policy in the UK. Or maybe we could privatise drizzle
The reason that non-EU migration exploded since Brexit is that it coincided with an extremely liberal government being elected, combined with the schemes for people from Ukraine and Hong Kong.There has clearly been a change in immigration numbers and pattern since we Brexited. The really big increases are since Brexit. Feel free to offer an explanation for what has happened. I suggest freedom of movement meant labour shortages could be filled without as much long term immigration.The vast majority of immigration even pre-Brexit was from outside the EU. EU membership was a scapegoat because free movement was used as a scapegoat for not restricting migration more generally.I wouldn't say "government after government has refused to do so". Immigration hasn't been consistently high for decades. See figure 2 at https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/ It was not particularly high under Thatcher/Major. It rose somewhat under New Labour, dropped a little bit with the global crash, inched higher under Cameron, a bit lower under May, collapsed because of COVID-19, and then went stratospheric after Brexit. So, that reflects both global trends and government policies. When people talk about millions of immigrants, that's a post-Brexit thing. The EU allowed for labour mobility, but people came and went. After Brexit, the pattern of immigration is very different.I was more thinking of self-exclusion.You see how easily you slip into thoughts about excluding people due to competition for resources? The level of immigration is the biggest threat to the colour-blind (or anything-blind) society you want to protect.You can leave if you think it might help.Everyone plus 2 million over the next 3 years?Everyone.Not enough housing for whom?You are a fucking dolt.Indeed. I believe it’s our education system. Anti racism and Not Talking About Immigration has been drummed into them from the age of 5 so they don’t even have the language or bandwidth to talk about it or even conceive that it is an issueIt’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloudThe obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.Explains a lotLove the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
@JulianGallie
What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
Plus they can see the intense social pain inflicted on anyone that tries to talk about it, so their aversion is logical
Comparisons with education in the communist era of Eastern Europe are not entirely inapt. The guides here in Moldova have been explaining to me how they were brainwashed as kids to believe in the Soviet system even when it was clearly failing
It is successive governments not building enough houses or schools or hospitals or whatnot that is the issue. Not immigration. The education and its detested focus on "anti-racism" has been hugely successful and means that the vast majority of our children are colour-blind (and XXX-blind also). Not everyone but broadly.
They - and you - should be campaigning for the government to be able to accommodate us all, not stopping some of us from being here.
That said, if you could do us all a favour and stay in the undoubted paradise that is Moldova rather than ever coming to the UK that would mean one more immigrant family able to move in to NW1. Hurrah!
We can never build enough for 'everyone' if 'everyone' continues to expand at such a rapid rate.
We sort of can build enough for "everyone" unless you have an idea to restrict population growth. What was the stat the other day? Some ridiculously small percentage of the UK is built upon.
But that's not the point. The point, as small children from Hartlepool understand - and our very own Dura upthread pointed out - is that it is wholly within our power to cut immigration. But government after government has refused to do so. Governments are elected on a popular mandate to do stuff and we quite simply haven't asked ours in recent times to prioritise restricting immigration.
Richard Tice was on the radio this morning saying legal and illegal immigration needs attention so come July 4th we will see if the Great British Public, with a golden opportunity finally to do something about it, agrees with him and votes for Reform.
In Britain, the number of 18-24 year olds who support the death penalty for cases of multiple murder has risen to 56%.Maybe. In Afghan they haven't (in the sixties the women were going around in mini-skirts). But they have in western liberal democracies and we are in a western liberal democracies.People's attitudes do not always become more progressive with time. You're extrapolating too much from your own lifetime.I was gonna do a long impassioned comment about our blindness on migration but fuck it. The debate is so warped and stupid it’s not even worth itAnd here you go, you utter, utter bellend.
Also I have just been to the world’s second largest wine cellar
With time peoples' attitudes become more progressive. Why this shouldn't happen with 2nd, 3rd, 4th generation muslims (or orthodox Jews) is not at all clear.
https://www.brin.ac.uk/figures/attitudes-towards-gay-rights/
You're confusing One Nation/patrician with liberal. Johnson was radically liberal on immigration.A government effectively being run by Mark Francois and Bill Cash I don't think can be described as "liberal".The reason that non-EU migration exploded since Brexit is that it coincided with an extremely liberal government being elected, combined with the schemes for people from Ukraine and Hong Kong.There has clearly been a change in immigration numbers and pattern since we Brexited. The really big increases are since Brexit. Feel free to offer an explanation for what has happened. I suggest freedom of movement meant labour shortages could be filled without as much long term immigration.The vast majority of immigration even pre-Brexit was from outside the EU. EU membership was a scapegoat because free movement was used as a scapegoat for not restricting migration more generally.I wouldn't say "government after government has refused to do so". Immigration hasn't been consistently high for decades. See figure 2 at https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/ It was not particularly high under Thatcher/Major. It rose somewhat under New Labour, dropped a little bit with the global crash, inched higher under Cameron, a bit lower under May, collapsed because of COVID-19, and then went stratospheric after Brexit. So, that reflects both global trends and government policies. When people talk about millions of immigrants, that's a post-Brexit thing. The EU allowed for labour mobility, but people came and went. After Brexit, the pattern of immigration is very different.I was more thinking of self-exclusion.You see how easily you slip into thoughts about excluding people due to competition for resources? The level of immigration is the biggest threat to the colour-blind (or anything-blind) society you want to protect.You can leave if you think it might help.Everyone plus 2 million over the next 3 years?Everyone.Not enough housing for whom?You are a fucking dolt.Indeed. I believe it’s our education system. Anti racism and Not Talking About Immigration has been drummed into them from the age of 5 so they don’t even have the language or bandwidth to talk about it or even conceive that it is an issueIt’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloudThe obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.Explains a lotLove the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
@JulianGallie
What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
Plus they can see the intense social pain inflicted on anyone that tries to talk about it, so their aversion is logical
Comparisons with education in the communist era of Eastern Europe are not entirely inapt. The guides here in Moldova have been explaining to me how they were brainwashed as kids to believe in the Soviet system even when it was clearly failing
It is successive governments not building enough houses or schools or hospitals or whatnot that is the issue. Not immigration. The education and its detested focus on "anti-racism" has been hugely successful and means that the vast majority of our children are colour-blind (and XXX-blind also). Not everyone but broadly.
They - and you - should be campaigning for the government to be able to accommodate us all, not stopping some of us from being here.
That said, if you could do us all a favour and stay in the undoubted paradise that is Moldova rather than ever coming to the UK that would mean one more immigrant family able to move in to NW1. Hurrah!
We can never build enough for 'everyone' if 'everyone' continues to expand at such a rapid rate.
We sort of can build enough for "everyone" unless you have an idea to restrict population growth. What was the stat the other day? Some ridiculously small percentage of the UK is built upon.
But that's not the point. The point, as small children from Hartlepool understand - and our very own Dura upthread pointed out - is that it is wholly within our power to cut immigration. But government after government has refused to do so. Governments are elected on a popular mandate to do stuff and we quite simply haven't asked ours in recent times to prioritise restricting immigration.
Richard Tice was on the radio this morning saying legal and illegal immigration needs attention so come July 4th we will see if the Great British Public, with a golden opportunity finally to do something about it, agrees with him and votes for Reform.
All the "liberal" Tories fucked off after/over Brexit.
A government effectively being run by Mark Francois and Bill Cash I don't think can be described as "liberal".The reason that non-EU migration exploded since Brexit is that it coincided with an extremely liberal government being elected, combined with the schemes for people from Ukraine and Hong Kong.There has clearly been a change in immigration numbers and pattern since we Brexited. The really big increases are since Brexit. Feel free to offer an explanation for what has happened. I suggest freedom of movement meant labour shortages could be filled without as much long term immigration.The vast majority of immigration even pre-Brexit was from outside the EU. EU membership was a scapegoat because free movement was used as a scapegoat for not restricting migration more generally.I wouldn't say "government after government has refused to do so". Immigration hasn't been consistently high for decades. See figure 2 at https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/long-term-international-migration-flows-to-and-from-the-uk/ It was not particularly high under Thatcher/Major. It rose somewhat under New Labour, dropped a little bit with the global crash, inched higher under Cameron, a bit lower under May, collapsed because of COVID-19, and then went stratospheric after Brexit. So, that reflects both global trends and government policies. When people talk about millions of immigrants, that's a post-Brexit thing. The EU allowed for labour mobility, but people came and went. After Brexit, the pattern of immigration is very different.I was more thinking of self-exclusion.You see how easily you slip into thoughts about excluding people due to competition for resources? The level of immigration is the biggest threat to the colour-blind (or anything-blind) society you want to protect.You can leave if you think it might help.Everyone plus 2 million over the next 3 years?Everyone.Not enough housing for whom?You are a fucking dolt.Indeed. I believe it’s our education system. Anti racism and Not Talking About Immigration has been drummed into them from the age of 5 so they don’t even have the language or bandwidth to talk about it or even conceive that it is an issueIt’s still rather astonishing that the young can’t see the correlation between population increases and cost of housing increases.More pointedly, apart from the under 34s, “immigration” is prominent in every cloudThe obvious question is where are 'woke' and 'trans', the key issues - as we all surely agree - of this election?Word clouds usually suck but that is riveting. Why do the youngest cohort (and nobody else) want truth, and what about? And note how cozzie livs completely evaporates for 65 plus and even pensions gets subordinate billing. Perhaps they really are as rich as everyone says.'cost' is same size as 'living' in all four, so looks as if the actual phrase used is 'cost of living' and the algorithm has split it up and binned the 'of' (sorry Biggles).Rather worrying that 'living' figures quite highly as a standalone.Explains a lotLove the fact that immigration is an issue for the age group who need the immigrants most, because no-one else wants to look after old people because of how little that type of work pays.
@JulianGallie
What policies do each age group want to see in a manifesto?
Younger voters
And yet where is the debate? The country has just experienced the most profound spate of immigration in its history. 2 MILLION people in 3 years. What do Labour intend to do about this? Why aren’t the Tories being challenged on this? Is it the national intention for this to continue? If not why not? If so, how do we house and educate and look after them all? Our public services are already breaking under the strain
It’s like this enormous issue does not exist. Madness
Plus they can see the intense social pain inflicted on anyone that tries to talk about it, so their aversion is logical
Comparisons with education in the communist era of Eastern Europe are not entirely inapt. The guides here in Moldova have been explaining to me how they were brainwashed as kids to believe in the Soviet system even when it was clearly failing
It is successive governments not building enough houses or schools or hospitals or whatnot that is the issue. Not immigration. The education and its detested focus on "anti-racism" has been hugely successful and means that the vast majority of our children are colour-blind (and XXX-blind also). Not everyone but broadly.
They - and you - should be campaigning for the government to be able to accommodate us all, not stopping some of us from being here.
That said, if you could do us all a favour and stay in the undoubted paradise that is Moldova rather than ever coming to the UK that would mean one more immigrant family able to move in to NW1. Hurrah!
We can never build enough for 'everyone' if 'everyone' continues to expand at such a rapid rate.
We sort of can build enough for "everyone" unless you have an idea to restrict population growth. What was the stat the other day? Some ridiculously small percentage of the UK is built upon.
But that's not the point. The point, as small children from Hartlepool understand - and our very own Dura upthread pointed out - is that it is wholly within our power to cut immigration. But government after government has refused to do so. Governments are elected on a popular mandate to do stuff and we quite simply haven't asked ours in recent times to prioritise restricting immigration.
Richard Tice was on the radio this morning saying legal and illegal immigration needs attention so come July 4th we will see if the Great British Public, with a golden opportunity finally to do something about it, agrees with him and votes for Reform.
Labour now saying no increase in tax rates and no changes to already planned fiscal drag of not changing the thresholds for 4 years. They are either going to have to make massive cuts or aren't telling the truth.That circle can't possibly be squared.
Of course, the Tories aren't much better.
Erm, yes, because the Labour candidate was (and maybe still is) director of a lobby group called We Believe in Israel. Ironic the NEC should block Faiza Shaheen for liking tweets about the Israel lobby on the same day as selecting someone who lobbies for Israel as his day job.Has the Labour candidate been tweeting stuff about the Jews?The Lab Candidate for North Durham has deleted over 1000 of his own tweets this morning.Oh F***. This twat is going to be my MP.
https://x.com/judeinlondon/status/1796119379744108789/photo/1
Really disappointed how this has panned out. This guy just parachuted into our seat. Kevan Jones did stuff and helped people out locally.
What will this guy do for us. F*ck him and F*ck labour for treating us like this. Always voted for Kevan Jones. He's a great local MP and his twitter feed and facebook feed is not full of recycled party messages.
Definitely not voting now.