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Re: Lucy Powell is now the favourite to win the deputy leader race – politicalbetting.com
Powell first found fame by saying 'In the real world, where I live, unlike where you live, Andrew.'I don't think so.Daily Mail - 'Starmer cried: 'You're supposed to be protecting me'. The showdown between PM and key aide that's the talk of Westminster'Backing Powell is starting to look like easy money?
"According to the Whitehall grapevine, it was the moment that growing tensions between the two most senior men in the British Government finally exploded into the open.
'You are supposed to protect me from things like this!' a furious Sir Keir Starmer is said to have bellowed at Morgan McSweeney, the man dubbed The Real Deputy Prime Minister.
'That's exactly what I was trying to do!' Mr McSweeney roared back.
The extraordinary exchange – relayed to The Mail on Sunday by a highly placed source – came after Sir Keir returned to No10 on Wednesday following his Commons mauling over Peter Mandelson's links to paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.
No 10 denies the encounter took place as described – and even tried to deny that chief of staff Mr McSweeney was in the country at the time, before backtracking.
But what is not in question is that the Mandelson scandal has turned into a full-blown political crisis which could lead to the end of Starmer's premiership.
Despairing Labour MPs are looking to Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham for salvation, with Lucy Powell running as his 'proxy' in the deputy leadership election.
Supporters hope Mr Burnham will return to the Commons in a by-election, making him eligible for a leadership bid."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15095781/Starmer-cried-showdown-PM-key-aide-Westminster.html
I think Phillipson will win comfortably and have bet accordingly.
Politically these is little between her and Powell, both being soft left. Phillipson is the better speaker. Here she is at the #TUC last week:
https://www.youtube.com/live/8GRutRRkLc4?si=dygUjELbDJtY65Tc
I note that those cheerleading Powell on here want to bring down the government. I don't think that will be the motivation of Labour members. Neither do I think that is the purpose of Powell!
To Andrew Neil. Live on air.
This did not end well for her.
(It's also reasonable to point out that Andrew Neil came from a somewhat humbler background than she did, so it was simply not true.)
If she is the best Labour can put up in this contest, they're completely fucked.

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Re: Lucy Powell is now the favourite to win the deputy leader race – politicalbetting.com
Elon or Leon? Or both?Are you trolling Elon and Tommy? That would send them bonkers*!It's very hard indeed to see Burnham as a threat. He's outside Parliament and the barriers to his return are actually pretty formidable. He would have to find a seat Labour could win, and then win it, and resign as Mayor to take it up which would neutralise his power base.Andy Burham is Lucy Powell's biggest cheerleader so I assume you accept Andy Burnham is Starmer's biggest real threat, not this forumI don't think so.Daily Mail - 'Starmer cried: 'You're supposed to be protecting me'. The showdown between PM and key aide that's the talk of Westminster'Backing Powell is starting to look like easy money?
"According to the Whitehall grapevine, it was the moment that growing tensions between the two most senior men in the British Government finally exploded into the open.
'You are supposed to protect me from things like this!' a furious Sir Keir Starmer is said to have bellowed at Morgan McSweeney, the man dubbed The Real Deputy Prime Minister.
'That's exactly what I was trying to do!' Mr McSweeney roared back.
The extraordinary exchange – relayed to The Mail on Sunday by a highly placed source – came after Sir Keir returned to No10 on Wednesday following his Commons mauling over Peter Mandelson's links to paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.
No 10 denies the encounter took place as described – and even tried to deny that chief of staff Mr McSweeney was in the country at the time, before backtracking.
But what is not in question is that the Mandelson scandal has turned into a full-blown political crisis which could lead to the end of Starmer's premiership.
Despairing Labour MPs are looking to Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham for salvation, with Lucy Powell running as his 'proxy' in the deputy leadership election.
Supporters hope Mr Burnham will return to the Commons in a by-election, making him eligible for a leadership bid."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15095781/Starmer-cried-showdown-PM-key-aide-Westminster.html
I think Phillipson will win comfortably and have bet accordingly.
Politically these is little between her and Powell, both being soft left. Phillipson is the better speaker. Here she is at the #TUC last week:
https://www.youtube.com/live/8GRutRRkLc4?si=dygUjELbDJtY65Tc
I note that those cheerleading Powell on here want to bring down the government. I don't think that will be the motivation of Labour members. Neither do I think that is the purpose of Powell!
I suspect name recognition, a lack of association with the Cabinet and wishful thinking are driving talk about his return, rather than a realistic assessment of the possibility.
Which is why I say again the one we should be watching is David Lammy. He's consistently underestimated by everyone but he's quietly manoeuvred himself into an extremely powerful position.
* OK, OK, in Leon's case even more bonkers.

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Re: Lucy Powell is now the favourite to win the deputy leader race – politicalbetting.com
The annoying thing is there's lots of boring, low-hanging fruit that could be plucked fairly easily just by tidying up government (and in some cases, commercial) procedures that are simply outdated. For example, changing rules on pursuing e-bikes so they can be followed by drones - that would be a major disaster for phone snatchers. Or reform of the court system to speed it up and make things cheaper, which has been talked about but not delivered. Or a massive clampdown on fraudulent bills by utility companies, which is an absolute scourge affecting hundreds of thousands of people every year.Why shouldn’t people opposed to this shambolic,govt want to see the back of It ? I’m not sure any change of govt to any other party or coalition would improve the country at the moment.I don't think so.Daily Mail - 'Starmer cried: 'You're supposed to be protecting me'. The showdown between PM and key aide that's the talk of Westminster'Backing Powell is starting to look like easy money?
"According to the Whitehall grapevine, it was the moment that growing tensions between the two most senior men in the British Government finally exploded into the open.
'You are supposed to protect me from things like this!' a furious Sir Keir Starmer is said to have bellowed at Morgan McSweeney, the man dubbed The Real Deputy Prime Minister.
'That's exactly what I was trying to do!' Mr McSweeney roared back.
The extraordinary exchange – relayed to The Mail on Sunday by a highly placed source – came after Sir Keir returned to No10 on Wednesday following his Commons mauling over Peter Mandelson's links to paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.
No 10 denies the encounter took place as described – and even tried to deny that chief of staff Mr McSweeney was in the country at the time, before backtracking.
But what is not in question is that the Mandelson scandal has turned into a full-blown political crisis which could lead to the end of Starmer's premiership.
Despairing Labour MPs are looking to Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham for salvation, with Lucy Powell running as his 'proxy' in the deputy leadership election.
Supporters hope Mr Burnham will return to the Commons in a by-election, making him eligible for a leadership bid."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15095781/Starmer-cried-showdown-PM-key-aide-Westminster.html
I think Phillipson will win comfortably and have bet accordingly.
Politically these is little between her and Powell, both being soft left. Phillipson is the better speaker. Here she is at the #TUC last week:
https://www.youtube.com/live/8GRutRRkLc4?si=dygUjELbDJtY65Tc
I note that those cheerleading Powell on here want to bring down the government. I don't think that will be the motivation of Labour members. Neither do I think that is the purpose of Powell!
Quite frankly they can elect either Powell or Phillipson, it won’t change much for them until they start, if they can, delivering real improvements for people in their lives in the country as opposed to relying on MPs and tame pro govt social media accounts telling us how great they are.
You would have thought Starmer, of all people, would be well-placed to do that. And indeed, often he has made encouraging noises, as in abolishing OFWAT and making greater use of magistrates' courts. But so far, limited progress.

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Re: Lucy Powell is now the favourite to win the deputy leader race – politicalbetting.com
It's very hard indeed to see Burnham as a threat. He's outside Parliament and the barriers to his return are actually pretty formidable. He would have to find a seat Labour could win, and then win it, and resign as Mayor to take it up which would neutralise his power base.Andy Burham is Lucy Powell's biggest cheerleader so I assume you accept Andy Burnham is Starmer's biggest real threat, not this forumI don't think so.Daily Mail - 'Starmer cried: 'You're supposed to be protecting me'. The showdown between PM and key aide that's the talk of Westminster'Backing Powell is starting to look like easy money?
"According to the Whitehall grapevine, it was the moment that growing tensions between the two most senior men in the British Government finally exploded into the open.
'You are supposed to protect me from things like this!' a furious Sir Keir Starmer is said to have bellowed at Morgan McSweeney, the man dubbed The Real Deputy Prime Minister.
'That's exactly what I was trying to do!' Mr McSweeney roared back.
The extraordinary exchange – relayed to The Mail on Sunday by a highly placed source – came after Sir Keir returned to No10 on Wednesday following his Commons mauling over Peter Mandelson's links to paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.
No 10 denies the encounter took place as described – and even tried to deny that chief of staff Mr McSweeney was in the country at the time, before backtracking.
But what is not in question is that the Mandelson scandal has turned into a full-blown political crisis which could lead to the end of Starmer's premiership.
Despairing Labour MPs are looking to Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham for salvation, with Lucy Powell running as his 'proxy' in the deputy leadership election.
Supporters hope Mr Burnham will return to the Commons in a by-election, making him eligible for a leadership bid."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15095781/Starmer-cried-showdown-PM-key-aide-Westminster.html
I think Phillipson will win comfortably and have bet accordingly.
Politically these is little between her and Powell, both being soft left. Phillipson is the better speaker. Here she is at the #TUC last week:
https://www.youtube.com/live/8GRutRRkLc4?si=dygUjELbDJtY65Tc
I note that those cheerleading Powell on here want to bring down the government. I don't think that will be the motivation of Labour members. Neither do I think that is the purpose of Powell!
I suspect name recognition, a lack of association with the Cabinet and wishful thinking are driving talk about his return, rather than a realistic assessment of the possibility.
Which is why I say again the one we should be watching is David Lammy. He's consistently underestimated by everyone but he's quietly manoeuvred himself into an extremely powerful position.

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Re: Lucy Powell is now the favourite to win the deputy leader race – politicalbetting.com


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Re: Lucy Powell is now the favourite to win the deputy leader race – politicalbetting.com
I just had to post comment 1000 on the thread…Ah, for the old days when comments were numbered, and PBers could simply give the number of whichever post they were replying to, rather than having to quote them in full, as now. This worked quite tidily until mid-morning when OGH would delete his own post from the start of the thread, thus buggering up all the references.
Re: Lucy Powell is now the favourite to win the deputy leader race – politicalbetting.com
Might be worth checking what the union leaders in the now banned smoked filled back rooms have decided at the recent TUC, I had one of my best ever results on a single long term bet I almost forgot about thanks to a late night Skynews blog post by Jon Craig who was at the TUC while the then leaders plotted who would be the best stop the Blairite David Milliband candidate. He reported that they had decided their best candidate was Ed Miliband and I bet accordingly at excellent odds that way out on the back of his report. I still remember being in the car with fitaloon and our lads when the news came through of the result of the Labour leadership contest and loudly shouting yes before informing fitaloon that I had just won a very nice three figure sum off the back of that bet.I don't think so.Daily Mail - 'Starmer cried: 'You're supposed to be protecting me'. The showdown between PM and key aide that's the talk of Westminster'Backing Powell is starting to look like easy money?
"According to the Whitehall grapevine, it was the moment that growing tensions between the two most senior men in the British Government finally exploded into the open.
'You are supposed to protect me from things like this!' a furious Sir Keir Starmer is said to have bellowed at Morgan McSweeney, the man dubbed The Real Deputy Prime Minister.
'That's exactly what I was trying to do!' Mr McSweeney roared back.
The extraordinary exchange – relayed to The Mail on Sunday by a highly placed source – came after Sir Keir returned to No10 on Wednesday following his Commons mauling over Peter Mandelson's links to paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.
No 10 denies the encounter took place as described – and even tried to deny that chief of staff Mr McSweeney was in the country at the time, before backtracking.
But what is not in question is that the Mandelson scandal has turned into a full-blown political crisis which could lead to the end of Starmer's premiership.
Despairing Labour MPs are looking to Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham for salvation, with Lucy Powell running as his 'proxy' in the deputy leadership election.
Supporters hope Mr Burnham will return to the Commons in a by-election, making him eligible for a leadership bid."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15095781/Starmer-cried-showdown-PM-key-aide-Westminster.html
I think Phillipson will win comfortably and have bet accordingly.
Politically these is little between her and Powell, both being soft left. Phillipson is the better speaker. Here she is at the #TUC last week:
https://www.youtube.com/live/8GRutRRkLc4?si=dygUjELbDJtY65Tc
I note that those cheerleading Powell on here want to bring down the government. I don't think that will be the motivation of Labour members. Neither do I think that is the purpose of Powell!

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Re: Lucy Powell is now the favourite to win the deputy leader race – politicalbetting.com
And hopefully for Wales when Labour are shown the red card next MayGood morningFinally, some good news for Starmer.
Even Welsh Labour are disowning Starmer
Not that it will help them next May
BBC News - Welsh Labour set apart from UK party, says Morgan
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq6574mqm5eo
Re: Lucy Powell is now the favourite to win the deputy leader race – politicalbetting.com
Good morningFinally, some good news for Starmer.
Even Welsh Labour are disowning Starmer
Not that it will help them next May
BBC News - Welsh Labour set apart from UK party, says Morgan
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cq6574mqm5eo

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Re: Lucy Powell is now the favourite to win the deputy leader race – politicalbetting.com
I don't think so.Daily Mail - 'Starmer cried: 'You're supposed to be protecting me'. The showdown between PM and key aide that's the talk of Westminster'Backing Powell is starting to look like easy money?
"According to the Whitehall grapevine, it was the moment that growing tensions between the two most senior men in the British Government finally exploded into the open.
'You are supposed to protect me from things like this!' a furious Sir Keir Starmer is said to have bellowed at Morgan McSweeney, the man dubbed The Real Deputy Prime Minister.
'That's exactly what I was trying to do!' Mr McSweeney roared back.
The extraordinary exchange – relayed to The Mail on Sunday by a highly placed source – came after Sir Keir returned to No10 on Wednesday following his Commons mauling over Peter Mandelson's links to paedophile Jeffrey Epstein.
No 10 denies the encounter took place as described – and even tried to deny that chief of staff Mr McSweeney was in the country at the time, before backtracking.
But what is not in question is that the Mandelson scandal has turned into a full-blown political crisis which could lead to the end of Starmer's premiership.
Despairing Labour MPs are looking to Manchester Mayor Andy Burnham for salvation, with Lucy Powell running as his 'proxy' in the deputy leadership election.
Supporters hope Mr Burnham will return to the Commons in a by-election, making him eligible for a leadership bid."
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15095781/Starmer-cried-showdown-PM-key-aide-Westminster.html
I think Phillipson will win comfortably and have bet accordingly.
Politically these is little between her and Powell, both being soft left. Phillipson is the better speaker. Here she is at the #TUC last week:
https://www.youtube.com/live/8GRutRRkLc4?si=dygUjELbDJtY65Tc
I note that those cheerleading Powell on here want to bring down the government. I don't think that will be the motivation of Labour members. Neither do I think that is the purpose of Powell!

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