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The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

Stop talking the UK down.

It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.

TSE still bitter, ten years on...

Leave 52%

Remain 48%

[runs and hides!]

That doesn't really help.

Makes me feel better....

The Leave vote was without doubt my biggest political disappointment.

All but 25 of my 64 years have been Tory Governments, but each election disappointment "could" be rectified within five years. The Farage smoke and mirrors fiasco was for life.

Me too. Felt sick. My top 5 sickeners in order of nausea intensity as below:

1. Trump2
2. 1992 Con win
3. Brexit
4. 2015 Con win
5. Trump1

Definitely Brexit, when I went to bed Farage had conceded and was demanding a best of three, when I woke up Dimbleby said "we're leaving".

There was an inevitability about Trump 47.

1992 was a shock but the five years of comedy that followed culminating in '97 wasn't all bad.

Brexit for some of us was like the sudden death of a favourite uncle. And all the "suck it up loser, you lost" on here didn't help, particularly as it turned into an utter fiasco and gave us Boris Johnson and Liz Truss premierships.

OK, yes, I'll promote it to #2. But 5/11/24 is impregnable at the top. Massively consequential on many levels, wholly negative, utterly without redemption.

Brexit will not evaporate the human race in the same way Trump 47 might.

The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

Stop talking the UK down.

It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.

TSE still bitter, ten years on...

Leave 52%

Remain 48%

[runs and hides!]

That doesn't really help.

Makes me feel better....

The Leave vote was without doubt my biggest political disappointment.

All but 25 of my 64 years have been Tory Governments, but each election disappointment "could" be rectified within five years. The Farage smoke and mirrors fiasco was for life.

It's entirely the wrong attitude to lock something in for the long-term against the wishes of British electorate.

That's the principle for which many of us voted Leave in the first place.

I agree - I never understood why people got so upset at Cameron for holding the referendum, and the fact Leave won entirely vindicated his policy.

But by the same token we should probably be thinking about another referendum. 20 point gap at the moment - I think at 30 points (and 15 year wait. so 2030 onward), you'd have to support another referendum to avoid being a hypocrite.

Or, we could all agree full EU membership wasn't (and never will be) the right model for British involvement in European politics in the long-term, and find a hybrid that would instead.

Then, we'd have peace.

If only we'd been offered that back in the 90s or noughties. Few people back then objected to British membership of the EU as it was (I did), but aside from a few fanatics almost jobody wanted ever closer union.

The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

Stop talking the UK down.

It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.

TSE still bitter, ten years on...

Leave 52%

Remain 48%

[runs and hides!]

That doesn't really help.

Makes me feel better....

The Leave vote was without doubt my biggest political disappointment.

All but 25 of my 64 years have been Tory Governments, but each election disappointment "could" be rectified within five years. The Farage smoke and mirrors fiasco was for life.

Me too. Felt sick. My top 5 sickeners in order of nausea intensity as below:

1. Trump2
2. 1992 Con win
3. Brexit
4. 2015 Con win
5. Trump1

Definitely Brexit, when I went to bed Farage had conceded and was demanding a best of three, when I woke up Dimbleby said "we're leaving".

There was an inevitability about Trump 47.

1992 was a shock but the five years of comedy that followed culminating in '97 wasn't all bad.

Brexit for some of us was like the sudden death of a favourite uncle. And all the "suck it up loser, you lost" on here didn't help, particularly as it turned into an utter fiasco and gave us Boris Johnson and Liz Truss premierships.

OK, yes, I'll promote it to #2. But 5/11/24 is impregnable at the top. Massively consequential on many levels, wholly negative, utterly without redemption.

The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

Stop talking the UK down.

It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.

TSE still bitter, ten years on...

Leave 52%

Remain 48%

[runs and hides!]

That doesn't really help.

Makes me feel better....

The Leave vote was without doubt my biggest political disappointment.

All but 25 of my 64 years have been Tory Governments, but each election disappointment "could" be rectified within five years. The Farage smoke and mirrors fiasco was for life.

It's entirely the wrong attitude to lock something in for the long-term against the wishes of British electorate.

That's the principle for which many of us voted Leave in the first place.

Be honest, what has it achieved?

Regulatory freedom, trading freedom, immigration freedom, political freedom and accountability to our own people for the decisions our government takes.

Why would you want to give that up?

Security

Which it never delivered.

The fact that's fractured at present is entirely down to our own government failing to fund our defence and security properly.

I'd argue Brexit has improved (marginally) Europe's ability to respond to security issues (like Ukraine) because with tge UK outside the EU the main players are more able to act unilaterally and are not hamstrung by needing to find something Angela Merkel or Victor Orban can agree to.

The referendum could only promise that HMG would apply to join the EU. It couldn’t promise it actually happening.

So the UK govt wins a referendum. Negotiates. What then ? Put the deal to the public ? What if the EU tell us to go swivel.

If we rejoin the EU we would not have the opt outs we used to have.

So the question would be do you want to rejoin the EU, Schengen and the Euro.

And give how crap our governments have been since 2016 - it’s a tempting offer

Wouldn't need to join the Euro. Poland recently said they weren't going to anytime soon.

Schengen isn't much of a problem either (if we had to join). You'd still need to show your passport/ID card to get a plane/boat/ferry between the UK and Continental Europe.

The rules have changed since Poland join - see how Bulgaria joined the Euro on 1st January - now granted that’s because they wanted to but it’s also because they had no escape route as it’s been blocked

The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

Stop talking the UK down.

It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.

TSE still bitter, ten years on...

Leave 52%

Remain 48%

[runs and hides!]

That doesn't really help.

Makes me feel better....

The Leave vote was without doubt my biggest political disappointment.

All but 25 of my 64 years have been Tory Governments, but each election disappointment "could" be rectified within five years. The Farage smoke and mirrors fiasco was for life.

It's entirely the wrong attitude to lock something in for the long-term against the wishes of British electorate.

That's the principle for which many of us voted Leave in the first place.

Be honest, what has it achieved?

Removed the easy get out blame for all our ills (the EU). Although sadly it’s replaced leaving as a panacea with rejoining as a panacea.

The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

Stop talking the UK down.

It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.

TSE still bitter, ten years on...

Leave 52%

Remain 48%

[runs and hides!]

That doesn't really help.

Makes me feel better....

The Leave vote was without doubt my biggest political disappointment.

All but 25 of my 64 years have been Tory Governments, but each election disappointment "could" be rectified within five years. The Farage smoke and mirrors fiasco was for life.

Me too. Felt sick. My top 5 sickeners in order of nausea intensity as below:

1. Trump2
2. 1992 Con win
3. Brexit
4. 2015 Con win
5. Trump1

Definitely Brexit, when I went to bed Farage had conceded and was demanding a best of three, when I woke up Dimbleby said "we're leaving".

There was an inevitability about Trump 47.

1992 was a shock but the five years of comedy that followed culminating in '97 wasn't all bad.

Brexit for some of us was like the sudden death of a favourite uncle. And all the "suck it up loser, you lost" on here didn't help, particularly as it turned into an utter fiasco and gave us Boris Johnson and Liz Truss premierships.