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Re: A little bit of history repeating? – politicalbetting.com
Point 1. kind of makes this discussion pointless. Harris will not be the Dem candidate unless she wins the primaries this time. Which she won't.Well, she outperformed my expectations.No she was just a terrible candidate. She was unpopular and ineffective in California - and those were the people who knew her bestShe was a terrible candidate. But people like @kinabalu were very disapproving when I told people that ahead of time.They should have run a Republican. What were they thinking. Bloody self-indulgent Dems!
Any case, bit of a cheap shot but I like it. I'm fronting my very own "people like" grouping.
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Albeit, my expectations were very, very low.
There are a dozen good reasons why shouldn't be the Democratic candidate. Here are my top two.
1. When she ran in a competitive Democratic primary, she didn't even make it to the first caucus in Iowa. That's how bad she was. Her poll ratings were terrible. A young gay Mayor from a small town in Indiana was outpolling her 3-1.
2. Of all the potential candidates, she was the most complicit in covering up Biden's dementia. I don't think it's in the Democrat's interests to be reminded of that.
Re: A little bit of history repeating? – politicalbetting.com
Wonderful phrase in a powerful article on Trump and Reiner.
"Trump sets the pace, and his apparatchiks follow. Many of them have gained power and made money dumping toxic sewage into our civic water supply."
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/2025/12/trump-rob-reiner/685280/?taid=6941f60bd05e42000115f949&utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=true-anthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
"Trump sets the pace, and his apparatchiks follow. Many of them have gained power and made money dumping toxic sewage into our civic water supply."
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/2025/12/trump-rob-reiner/685280/?taid=6941f60bd05e42000115f949&utm_campaign=the-atlantic&utm_content=true-anthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Re: A little bit of history repeating? – politicalbetting.com
Well, she outperformed my expectations.No she was just a terrible candidate. She was unpopular and ineffective in California - and those were the people who knew her bestShe was a terrible candidate. But people like @kinabalu were very disapproving when I told people that ahead of time.They should have run a Republican. What were they thinking. Bloody self-indulgent Dems!
Any case, bit of a cheap shot but I like it. I'm fronting my very own "people like" grouping.
Few attain this ✊️
Albeit, my expectations were very, very low.
There are a dozen good reasons why shouldn't be the Democratic candidate. Here are my top two.
1. When she ran in a competitive Democratic primary, she didn't even make it to the first caucus in Iowa. That's how bad she was. Her poll ratings were terrible. A young gay Mayor from a small town in Indiana was outpolling her 3-1.
2. Of all the potential candidates, she was the most complicit in covering up Biden's dementia. I don't think it's in the Democrat's interests to be reminded of that.
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Re: A little bit of history repeating? – politicalbetting.com
The risk premium on gilts is now higher than it was under Liz Truss. Labour have smashed the economy, into tiny little pieces and the only "winners" are benefit claimants and public sector workers.The fact still remains it was the Conservatives who oversaw a massive spike in immigration, by far the biggest increase ever.Why miss out 2024 which was 345,000https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/longterminternationalmigrationprovisional/yearendingjune2025Lol. Put that on a bus and see how it goes down.....He has reduced immigration.What comes over at this PMQs is Starmer's utter obsession with Farage and ReformDinner Party politics.
He ought to be obsessed with tackling the issues that are leading to Reform's rise. Reduce immigration, grow the economy so that living standards rise for all.
Net immigration year ending March 2023 = 944,000
Net immigration year ending June 2025 = 204,000
That's a 78% drop. If you want reduced immigration, Starmer has absolutely delivered reduced immigration. And the figures are still trending downwards.
The reduction is the result of the conservative tightening rules and little to do with Starmer
Also, there were several on here in 2023/24 who claimed a Labour government would introduce an open doors immigration policy. Many of the same group who told us the IMF would be running the country by now.
Labour have been disappointing but still a huge improvement on the previous government.
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Re: A little bit of history repeating? – politicalbetting.com
Hillary got more votes than Trump (just not in the right states). 3 million more votes, in fact.Whoever the Democrats choose it must not be someone who can be characterised as a Wokester with a problematic beltway reputation to defend. Hillary and Kamala could have been chosen by Trump to be his opponents. Dreadful candidates, whatever other merits they may have possessed.When you have seen how Trump has behaved do you not have any sympathy for Biden’s decision to protect his son?Thanks for confirming how vulnerable Buttigieg is on his dismal record of lying and incompetence.You'll be going on about Hunter Biden next.Buttigieg needs to first explain why he repeatedly lied about Biden's fitness for office.Sadly, I just can't see how Buttigieg gets through the primaries in the South.I think Trump's dire performance as President is in danger of making us forget what a dismal candidate Harris was. She never seemed to say why she wanted to be President, had no original or inspiring ideas and, when given the chance to put her point across, actively fled from the media.For all their faults Kennedy, Clinton, & Obama were three of the most outstanding political leaders of my lifetime. The only potential candidate coming anywhere near now is Buttigieg.
As I've said before, Democrats win when they have a charismatic bullshitter who inspires the young and the left without terrifying the centre and the middle-aged then lets them down in office - see Kennedy, Clinton, Obama. Trump may be so unpopular by 2028 that even Harris will win, or maybe she will be able to fake enough charisma, but the Democrats would be unwise to bank on that.
What do you think?
He can then explain what he achieved himself as transport secretary for four years.
None of that is in the slightest bit relevant to Democratic primaries in three years time.
Assuming the US still has a democracy (not 100% guaranteed), the record of the current administration will be uppermost in voters minds, and whoever has the best shot at uniting the Democrats is likely to get the nomination.
I doubt that will be Harris, and on current form, it might just be Newsom. He's not exactly adored by the Democratic base, but he's getting traction for leading the opposition to Trump. Quite what he does after leaving the governor's office at the end of 2026 is an interesting question.
And also thanks for reminding us of Hunter Biden, that great polymath whose PB defenders started with "Hunter Biden has done nothing wrong and is being politically persecuted" and ended at "Joe Biden will never give a presidential pardon to his son".
It was wrong from a presidential perspective (I worried about the precedent but… well… ) but as a man it was completely understandable
I think they need a white, male, straight, Governor from a swing-state. Sorry to have to use those terms, but no use employing wishful thinking when dealing with MAGA and the Trump crowd. They cannot afford to lose in 2028 for all our sakes.
Re: A little bit of history repeating? – politicalbetting.com
The reason was published the other day - Treasury worries about a massive Labour shortage developing. So they let rip.On that we disagreeThe fact still remains it was the Conservatives who oversaw a massive spike in immigration by far the biggest increase ever.Why miss out 2024 which was 345,000https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populationandmigration/internationalmigration/bulletins/longterminternationalmigrationprovisional/yearendingjune2025Lol. Put that on a bus and see how it goes down.....He has reduced immigration.What comes over at this PMQs is Starmer's utter obsession with Farage and ReformDinner Party politics.
He ought to be obsessed with tackling the issues that are leading to Reform's rise. Reduce immigration, grow the economy so that living standards rise for all.
Net immigration year ending March 2023 = 944,000
Net immigration year ending June 2025 = 204,000
That's a 78% drop. If you want reduced immigration, Starmer has absolutely delivered reduced immigration. And the figures are still trending downwards.
The reduction is the result of the conservative tightening rules and little to do with Starmer
Also, there were several on here in 2023/24 who claimed a Labour government would introduce an open doors immigration policy. Many of the same group who told us the IMF would be running the country by now.
Labour have been disappointing but still a huge improvement on the previous government.
Reeves has done more long term damage to business and especially youth employment than anything even Truss conjured up
I have no idea why Johnson ballooned immigration other than Ukraine, Hong Kong, and Afghanistan refugees but certainly Sunak took the measures that account for the substantial drop in the numbers
I doubt Labour would be at 10% in Wales if they were seen as the answer
The care home farce has been shut down - I wonder how many other of the companies effectively writ in other own work visas, were selling them?
For those who don’t know, the care home direct visa scheme was shutdown, because nearly no-one under the scheme was being employed in care homes. And selling the visas was rife. To the point that the Indian government complained about its citizens being ripped off.
And this had an effect on stats. The fraud worked like this - invent some jobs that don’t actually exist. Sell the visas for 5 figures (£15k wasn’t uncommon). When the recruits arrive, they are told to go away - no job for them.
But the fake “job” on the paperwork hasn’t been filled. It’s still there in the government statistics. So there’s an apparent shortage of labour…
It’s the hole that never fills in.
Re: A little bit of history repeating? – politicalbetting.com
True, but sadly that fruity character has not followed the CORRECT way, they have found a cheaty way...Hang on, Mr/Ms Melon has been able to keep every last prior post ...If you want to change your posting name on PB, how do you do it?The correct procedure is to storm off in a huff, then invent a new persona, but continue posting in exactly the same way while pretending to be someone else. Course you do lose your post count, but if you are prolific enough you'll soon get back up there...
#leon #correcthorsebattery
Re: A little bit of history repeating? – politicalbetting.com
No she was just a terrible candidate. She was unpopular and ineffective in California - and those were the people who knew her bestShe was a terrible candidate. But people like @kinabalu were very disapproving when I told people that ahead of time.They should have run a Republican. What were they thinking. Bloody self-indulgent Dems!
Any case, bit of a cheap shot but I like it. I'm fronting my very own "people like" grouping.
Few attain this ✊️
Re: A little bit of history repeating? – politicalbetting.com
It’s not obvious that it’s good value for moneyThat the Tories have come out publicly against this small improvement in opportunity for our young people (cf. Cleverley on today’s WATO) does them no credit, and simply reminds us that so far they have learned very little from all of their past mistakes.Erasmus is a euro-federalist creation machine so money well spent.For the first time in my life I am contemplating voting Labour.Taking money from the working class and giving it to the children of the middle classes.The £570m is the membership fee.£570mn a year for Erasmus?! I see the Chagos negotiators have already found a new job in government.I have no problem re-joining Eramus but it seems strange that our granddaughter spent her penultimate Leeds degree course in 2024 in Turin University so what is the difference that will cost £570million pa ?
Slowly but surely Starmer is unravelling Brexit.
I enjoyed it a lot. I got to spend a year in Marseilles instead of Durham. I learned shitloads about French literature and culture while taking massive amounts of PEDs and racing as semi-pro cyclist.
Re: A little bit of history repeating? – politicalbetting.com
Personally I had it embedded in the back of my wrist for maximum productivity enhancementI've worked in plenty of private sector offices where keycards were used. I never saw the need to wear it around my neck; nor did my colleagues. Isn't that what wallets are for holding?Ooh lanyards again! This is the edgy content we come here for.One of Starmer's biggest problems is that he seems entirely humourless. It is basically impossible to warm to him unless you're also a paid up member of the Fabian Human Rights Lawyer Lanyard ClassAccidental racism from Starmer.I see the intention... but it doesn't really work as a joke.
https://x.com/lewis_goodall/status/2001262534545092623
Keir Starmer: "I have a Christmas message for Reform. If mysterious men from the east come bearing gifts...this time, report it to the police."



