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Re: Brits more pessimistic than optimistic about Starmer being replaced – politicalbetting.com
Interesting that the Tory vote is pretty evenly split between Rejoin and Stay Out.I know. And, even before getting to that, people don't want to give up sovereignty to the ECJ, or join the single market or customs union, or restore full free movement.The 55% for rejoin the EU collapses to just 35% though if it required joining the euro and Schengen and losing our previous opt outsA decade on, 57% of Britons believe Britain was wrong to vote to leave the EUIt's polling nostalgia for an imagined yesterday, and contemporary disappointment.
Right to vote to leave: 30%
Wrong to vote to leave: 57%
https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54925-what-do-britons-think-of-brexit-10-years-since-the-referendum
It's not testing the real fundamentals, and they are not good for Rejoin.
My prediction that it will be the Tories reverting to their pro-EU position of pre 2016 that will take us back in.
Foxy
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Re: Brits more pessimistic than optimistic about Starmer being replaced – politicalbetting.com
A decade on, 57% of Britons believe Britain was wrong to vote to leave the EUPretty similar feelings from MiC
Right to vote to leave: 30%
Wrong to vote to leave: 57%
https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54925-what-do-britons-think-of-brexit-10-years-since-the-referendum
https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/research/brexit-10-years-on/
Foxy
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Re: Brits more pessimistic than optimistic about Starmer being replaced – politicalbetting.com
EXCLUSIVE!
Andy Burnham is believed to be replacing Policemen with cats.
Making Cars drive in reverse so we can see where we've been.
Making the Royal family play for England in the World Cup.
Funding a UK mission to Mars....
We'll everyone else is making stuff up!
Peter.
Andy Burnham is believed to be replacing Policemen with cats.
Making Cars drive in reverse so we can see where we've been.
Making the Royal family play for England in the World Cup.
Funding a UK mission to Mars....
We'll everyone else is making stuff up!
Peter.
Re: Brits more pessimistic than optimistic about Starmer being replaced – politicalbetting.com
In the "decaying Northern towns" it is the relatively well off that vote Reform. Male Gen X and boomer homeowners rather than those who are skint.It's one of the central mysteries of Reform and its supporters. Everyone looks for them in decaying Northern towns. And yes, they have voters there, there are understandable reasons why, and people in those places have genuine problems that genuinely need solving.Nowhere north of Walsall.A decade on, 57% of Britons believe Britain was wrong to vote to leave the EUBefore we get to a Join conversation, what does this do for our local politics? The fact of having left is unpopular, and neither "you're wrong, the Brexit water is lovely" nor "it may be dismal, but reversing it will be worse" feel like statements that will endear Parties of Leave to the general public.
Right to vote to leave: 30%
Wrong to vote to leave: 57%
https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54925-what-do-britons-think-of-brexit-10-years-since-the-referendum
The More In Common map of Brexit opinion is interesting as well;
https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/research/brexit-10-years-on/
The "only eleven constituencies would vote Leave" finding is a bit showy- lots of narrow outs flipping to narrow ins. But look at the list:
South Basildon and East Thurrock
Dagenham and Rainham
Castle Point
South Holland and The Deepings
Romford
Hornchurch and Upminster
Dudley
Bexleyheath and Crayford
Aldridge-Brownhills
Boston and Skegness
Rayleigh and Wickford
Three of them are in the London Borough of Havering, another three are in South Essex. We're not talking abandoned Red Wall, or Channel coast places overrun with small boats. Whatever the problems these areas have (and yes, life's not perfectly peachy), it's not totally obvious what they are, let alone why Brexit helps.
But the easiest place to find Reformers- because it's where most of them are, frankly- is second-tier Home Counties.
In all three of Caerphilly, Gorton and Denton and Makerfield the key was getting the vote out. I am sure team Burnham noticed that.
Foxy
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Re: Brits more pessimistic than optimistic about Starmer being replaced – politicalbetting.com
Nah, we’d hold all the cards so would be able to achieve a brilliant settlement.Er, no. The terms of Rejoin would be very clear, and totally on the table.Since when do the specifics matter? People voted for Brexit in 2016 with no real sense of what they’d actually get, the same would be the case in another referendum.I know. And, even before getting to that, people don't want to give up sovereignty to the ECJ, or join the single market or customs union, or restore full free movement.The 55% for rejoin the EU collapses to just 35% though if it required joining the euro and Schengen and losing our previous opt outsA decade on, 57% of Britons believe Britain was wrong to vote to leave the EUIt's polling nostalgia for an imagined yesterday, and contemporary disappointment.
Right to vote to leave: 30%
Wrong to vote to leave: 57%
https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54925-what-do-britons-think-of-brexit-10-years-since-the-referendum
It's not testing the real fundamentals, and they are not good for Rejoin.
Eabhal
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Re: Brits more pessimistic than optimistic about Starmer being replaced – politicalbetting.com
It's a rational disappointment with promise that weee broken, and an act of national self harm.A decade on, 57% of Britons believe Britain was wrong to vote to leave the EUIt's polling nostalgia for an imagined yesterday, and contemporary disappointment.
Right to vote to leave: 30%
Wrong to vote to leave: 57%
https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54925-what-do-britons-think-of-brexit-10-years-since-the-referendum
Leavers carry on pretending there's no way back. Which simply isn't true.
Nigelb
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Re: Brits more pessimistic than optimistic about Starmer being replaced – politicalbetting.com
Freshpet ad had the lady saying "You keep dog food in your fridge???":They do sell chilled dog food now. I don't know any brand names (not having a dog) but it's there (at least in Sainsbury's).Mr Dog’s food is mostly in the freezer. He has so much in there that sometimes I struggle to fit in my own Waitrose frozen herbs and the odd pizza or two. If I want to splash out on something like handmade frozen Bradford curries (a shout out to Chef Akila) I have to very carefully choreograph the delivery date in relation to his food delivery dates and then live on curries for the fortnight thereafter, with complete disregard to the gastrointestinal consequences."You keep dog food in your fridge???"Absolutely not. But dog food, yes, as there are two in my household, both belonging to my better half.How do you feel about abolishing VAT on cat food?Cheers mate. I hereby offer to recuse myself from any DfE or associated education decisions. In fact, I may even abolish the DfE, just for you.I dunno. I'd vote for you as Prime Minister even though I'd have some reservations about your line on the DfE.https://x.com/camillahmturner/status/2069447965853249989Al_Carns has about as much chance of getting the MP nominations and defeating Burnham with the members as his near namesake, Northern_Al.
Lord Glasman, the Labour peer and founder of the influential Blue Labour group, said he is supporting Al Carns to be the next PM.
"He's a soldier, he understands defence and he understands the next war," Lord Glasman told the Telegraph.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vp0KBkum8Ug
Re: Brits more pessimistic than optimistic about Starmer being replaced – politicalbetting.com
England played much better football before Starmer resigned.
https://x.com/patrick_kidd/status/2069524929171619895
https://x.com/patrick_kidd/status/2069524929171619895
Re: Brits more pessimistic than optimistic about Starmer being replaced – politicalbetting.com
Clear partisan divide here. While 2024 Labour and Green voters are optimistic about the more leftwing Burnham replacing Starmer as PM, Tory and Reform voters are more pessimistic about the future of the country post Starmer with Burmham. LD voters equally divided
HYUFD
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Re: Brits more pessimistic than optimistic about Starmer being replaced – politicalbetting.com
Bullshit! Apart from a few on here I've hardly met anyone in the last ten years who didn't think it a disaster. I got so pissed off listening to the various programmes on it that I took myself off to France.A decade on, 57% of Britons believe Britain was wrong to vote to leave the EUIt's polling nostalgia for an imagined yesterday, and contemporary disappointment.
Right to vote to leave: 30%
Wrong to vote to leave: 57%
https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54925-what-do-britons-think-of-brexit-10-years-since-the-referendum
If anyone has any doubt just go and wonder why all the young bar staff are having such a great time and learning languages and wonder why there are no young English boys and girls.
...........and how they must hate all their old fogie grandparents who denied all this to them
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