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Re: Is Andy about to crash and burn-ham? – politicalbetting.com
I think we knew on public murders, because cameras and newspapers still existed even if they didn't capture in "real time".Who knows, because back in 1977 we didn't have phones and CCTV to film all this stuff and make it as 'newsworthy'. That's what's different now - the amount captured on film and distributed on social media.Were we getting many stabbings in the neck and attempted public beheadings in 1977?It's happened again. See social media for video footage of the incident.The homicide rate in the UK is at its lowest since 1977.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gypqp0rp9o
Girl, 17, stabbed in the neck in street attack
However, data shows that the rate of violent crime was higher in 1977 than it is now.
FWIW, this is @bondegezou usual one-man-rebuttal-unit bullshit again. The graph he's referring to is here and the murder rate was higher than in 1977 less than 2 years ago:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2025
There's a big spike in 2003. Initially my mind jumped to the 7/7 terror attacks, but they were in 2005 and those are probably captured differently.
Re: Is Andy about to crash and burn-ham? – politicalbetting.com
You're so gullible! That’s what Musk has claimed, but the released emails clearly show it’s Musk asking Epstein: https://time.com/7362868/elon-musk-epstein-emails/Other way around. Epstein kept asking Musk to go to his island, and Musk repeatedly turned him down.He repeatedly asked to go to Epstein Island, but Epstein didn’t want him.No. Musk is the ket guy.Are you thinking of some pedo guy?America's flying start last night, beating a hapless Paraguay 4-1 (and Paraguay has form against Argentina and Brazil) might help sell a few tickets. Does anyone know any trillionaires who might subsidise tickets for schools?Start warming up the school busses!I recall the same story from the opening days of London 2012, which they had to act quickly to resolve?yeah, the point is the stadiums are not full. FIFA are claiming the empty seats belong to people who definitely bought the tickets and are definitely at the stadiums, you just can't see them on TVOne day into the World Cup, FIFA is doing “actually, the stadiums ARE full” posts stating that there are “ticketed fans… standing in concourses rather than staying in their assigned seats”Three matches in and the first two big matches...two of the three host nations. Full stadiums is hardly surprising at this stage and tonights was only a 40k capacity.
https://bsky.app/profile/rodger.bsky.social/post/3mo4o2wcf622m
Peter.
Re: Is Andy about to crash and burn-ham? – politicalbetting.com
Not really. If someone is charged and taken to trial for dangerous driving the jury are told that they have the option of convicting of careless driving in the alternative and the difference is explained.In Scotland you often get a choice between, say, careless and dangerous driving or full acquittal. If that were the case for this I think most people would have certainly convicted the sledgehammer guy of greivous bodily harm and possibly terrorism too. if it was just plain terrorism for criminal damage then it would have been full acquittals 90% of the time.ICYMI: yesterday was a very dark day for the UK justice system.Acquited of the terrorism charge or ALL the charges?
Four people sentenced for a crime they were not convicted of, after a trial where the judge deliberately concealed that possibility from the jury and prevented the media from reporting on it.
I’ve not doubt they would have been acquitted had the jury been made aware of what crime they were convicting them off, so in effect trial by jury has ended in the UK.
The only logical response for jurors is to always acquit in the future.
I do think this is a challenging case on I don't think the approach taken here is the right one. If you think someone is a terrorist, use the laws that exist already to establish this and give the appropriate punishment.
But this is rather beside the point. If juries want to convict on terrorism charges then fair enough - but they should be given the choice rather than have it deliberately concealed from them.
I think the problem with the English case, and I have not read it thoroughly, is that the motive for the offence is not relevant to the question of guilt. You either did it or you didn't and that is what the jury decides. But it is relevant to sentence and to any risk assessment that arises on conviction. It does seem odd though that having chosen not to put terrorism charges on the indictment they are then treated as if they were terrorists.
DavidL
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Re: Is Andy about to crash and burn-ham? – politicalbetting.com
I think makerfield will go to the wire . Mrs Duffy is about to chose the PMThat encounter perfectly symbolised the disillusionment of working-class Labour voters, and the alienation felt as a result of the party's perceived detachment from their everyday concerns, which Brown so memorably validated.
It explains Reform.
Re: Is Andy about to crash and burn-ham? – politicalbetting.com
Perhaps of interest, using total economy net worth (sum of public and private assets and liabilities)Musk has more wealth than three quarters of the world’s nations.Point of order ( I’m not defending it): if he is a $ trillionaire that’s his wealth on a given day. The figures the media are bandying about that he’s as “wealthy as Switzerland or Saudi” are an apples and pears situation, in that they are comparing Swiss and Saudi GDPs which are income not the stock of Swiss and Saudi net assets which are wealth.
And I bet it still doesn’t make him happy.
| Rank | Country | National Net Wealth (US$ trillions, approx.) |
|---|---|---|
| 1 | United States | 156 |
| 2 | Japan | 25 |
| 3 | Germany | 20 |
| 4 | United Kingdom | 17 |
| 5 | France | 16 |
| 6 | Canada | 13 |
| 7 | Italy | 12 |
| 8 | South Korea | 11 |
| 9 | Australia | 10 |
| 10 | Spain | 9 |
| 11 | Netherlands | 6 |
| 12 | Switzerland | 5 |
| 13 | Belgium | 3 |
| 14 | Sweden | 3 |
| 15 | Denmark | 2.5 |
| 16 | Norway | 2.4 |
| 17 | Poland | 2 |
| 18 | Austria | 2 |
| 19 | Israel | 1.8 |
| 20 | Turkey | 1.7 |
| 21 | Portugal | 1.5 |
| 22 | New Zealand | 1.4 |
| 23 | Ireland | 1.2 |
| 24 | Czech Republic | 1.1 |
| 25 | Finland | 0.9 |
| 26 | Greece | 0.8 |
| 27 | Hungary | 0.5 |
| 28 | Slovakia | 0.4 |
| 29 | Slovenia | 0.3 |
| 30 | Lithuania | 0.3 |
Re: Is Andy about to crash and burn-ham? – politicalbetting.com
Which conversation? Epstein may have made initial contact (although the files we have cast doubt on that, they are not conclusive) but certainly on the evidence we have (rather than Musk's statements) it's certainly Musk that was angling for the invitation and Epstein kept putting him off.Epstein initiated the conversation, and Musk didn’t go to the island.That's his version, but it isn't borne out by the actual emails they exchanged:Other way around. Epstein kept asking Musk to go to his island, and Musk repeatedly turned him down.He repeatedly asked to go to Epstein Island, but Epstein didn’t want him.No. Musk is the ket guy.Are you thinking of some pedo guy?America's flying start last night, beating a hapless Paraguay 4-1 (and Paraguay has form against Argentina and Brazil) might help sell a few tickets. Does anyone know any trillionaires who might subsidise tickets for schools?Start warming up the school busses!I recall the same story from the opening days of London 2012, which they had to act quickly to resolve?yeah, the point is the stadiums are not full. FIFA are claiming the empty seats belong to people who definitely bought the tickets and are definitely at the stadiums, you just can't see them on TVOne day into the World Cup, FIFA is doing “actually, the stadiums ARE full” posts stating that there are “ticketed fans… standing in concourses rather than staying in their assigned seats”Three matches in and the first two big matches...two of the three host nations. Full stadiums is hardly surprising at this stage and tonights was only a 40k capacity.
https://bsky.app/profile/rodger.bsky.social/post/3mo4o2wcf622m
Peter.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/elon-musk/expressed-interest-visiting-jeffrey-epstein-island-emails-show-doj-rcna256784
ydoethur
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Re: Is Andy about to crash and burn-ham? – politicalbetting.com
Lies. Not what we read in the epstein files.Other way around. Epstein kept asking Musk to go to his island, and Musk repeatedly turned him down.He repeatedly asked to go to Epstein Island, but Epstein didn’t want him.No. Musk is the ket guy.Are you thinking of some pedo guy?America's flying start last night, beating a hapless Paraguay 4-1 (and Paraguay has form against Argentina and Brazil) might help sell a few tickets. Does anyone know any trillionaires who might subsidise tickets for schools?Start warming up the school busses!I recall the same story from the opening days of London 2012, which they had to act quickly to resolve?yeah, the point is the stadiums are not full. FIFA are claiming the empty seats belong to people who definitely bought the tickets and are definitely at the stadiums, you just can't see them on TVOne day into the World Cup, FIFA is doing “actually, the stadiums ARE full” posts stating that there are “ticketed fans… standing in concourses rather than staying in their assigned seats”Three matches in and the first two big matches...two of the three host nations. Full stadiums is hardly surprising at this stage and tonights was only a 40k capacity.
https://bsky.app/profile/rodger.bsky.social/post/3mo4o2wcf622m
Peter.
you gonna file this under ignore like trump repeatedly abusing teenage beauty parade contestants?
Tres
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Re: Is Andy about to crash and burn-ham? – politicalbetting.com
That's his version, but it isn't borne out by the actual emails they exchanged:Other way around. Epstein kept asking Musk to go to his island, and Musk repeatedly turned him down.He repeatedly asked to go to Epstein Island, but Epstein didn’t want him.No. Musk is the ket guy.Are you thinking of some pedo guy?America's flying start last night, beating a hapless Paraguay 4-1 (and Paraguay has form against Argentina and Brazil) might help sell a few tickets. Does anyone know any trillionaires who might subsidise tickets for schools?Start warming up the school busses!I recall the same story from the opening days of London 2012, which they had to act quickly to resolve?yeah, the point is the stadiums are not full. FIFA are claiming the empty seats belong to people who definitely bought the tickets and are definitely at the stadiums, you just can't see them on TVOne day into the World Cup, FIFA is doing “actually, the stadiums ARE full” posts stating that there are “ticketed fans… standing in concourses rather than staying in their assigned seats”Three matches in and the first two big matches...two of the three host nations. Full stadiums is hardly surprising at this stage and tonights was only a 40k capacity.
https://bsky.app/profile/rodger.bsky.social/post/3mo4o2wcf622m
Peter.
https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/elon-musk/expressed-interest-visiting-jeffrey-epstein-island-emails-show-doj-rcna256784
ydoethur
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Re: Is Andy about to crash and burn-ham? – politicalbetting.com
2003 was when all Shipman's victims went on the books.I think we knew on public murders, because cameras and newspapers still existed even if they didn't capture in "real time".Who knows, because back in 1977 we didn't have phones and CCTV to film all this stuff and make it as 'newsworthy'. That's what's different now - the amount captured on film and distributed on social media.Were we getting many stabbings in the neck and attempted public beheadings in 1977?It's happened again. See social media for video footage of the incident.The homicide rate in the UK is at its lowest since 1977.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gypqp0rp9o
Girl, 17, stabbed in the neck in street attack
However, data shows that the rate of violent crime was higher in 1977 than it is now.
FWIW, this is @bondegezou usual one-man-rebuttal-unit bullshit again. The graph he's referring to is here and the murder rate was higher than in 1977 less than 2 years ago:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2025
There's a big spike in 2003. Initially my mind jumped to the 7/7 terror attacks, but they were in 2005 and those are probably captured differently.
Re: Is Andy about to crash and burn-ham? – politicalbetting.com
Musk has more wealth than three quarters of the world’s nations.Point of order ( I’m not defending it): if he is a $ trillionaire that’s his wealth on a given day. The figures the media are bandying about that he’s as “wealthy as Switzerland or Saudi” are an apples and pears situation, in that they are comparing Swiss and Saudi GDPs which are income not the stock of Swiss and Saudi net assets which are wealth.
And I bet it still doesn’t make him happy.
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