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Re: Bad expectations – politicalbetting.com
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If you’ve decided everyone you disagree with is just nasty that must be a comforting line.It's quite rare for somebody to accept they're being bigoted. They'll tend to genuinely believe their opinion is reasonable and evidence based.A lot of people have come to the conclusion that the downsides of Islamic immigration outweigh the good. It’s not bigoted to think that, it’s a reasonable opinion, backed by some high profile incidents. We are westerners, they are not, and the hassle of trying and failing to integrate them is not worth it.What’s that got to do with the price of fish? Bigotry is not justified by the actions of a few individuals. Do you really think it’s fine for people to be bigoted against a group because a few individuals in that group have behaved poorly?Some British muslims blow stuff up. Some gypies living in Britain steal. What bad thing do you think some British Jews do? Do enlighten us.I kinda think it shouldn’t take a genocide for us to stop being bigoted against a group.Our special treatment of anti-semitism stems from the holocaust. Labour's proposed special treatment of islamaphobia stems from what? We got too grumpy and over-reacted when they blew up our tube trains?That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear IslamMy Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.https://bylinetimes.com/2026/03/18/kemi-badenoch-defends-shadow-minister-who-called-london-muslim-celebrations-an-act-of-domination/Timothy must go?
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
Why might we need the government to take some sort of action around Islamophobia? Well, look at this thread and the half a dozen people being very bigoted against Muslims, making up nonsense about Muslims, declaring Islam a unique threat. Two of the commonest bigotries in our country today are anti-Semitism and Islamophobia. (Ziganophobia is up there too.)
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Re: Bad expectations – politicalbetting.com
The fun bit is when people don't realise what is going on inside their own heads. The number of people who quite genuinely believe that "because a mate at work is X, I can't be anti-X".You know that thing whereby closet antisemites religiously stick to slagging off "Israel" when inside their own head they mean Jews?In case you missed the distinction; I said fear of Islam, you said fear of MuslimsIslamophobia is not a phobia. The Government is not intending to ban people from being afraid of Muslims. “Islamophobia” is the word (with a somewhat confusing etymology) that refers to bigotry towards Muslims. What part of this do you not understand?Are you successfully arguing that fear of Islam isn’t Islamophobia?Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.Phobia has a clinical definitionThat’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear IslamMy Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.https://bylinetimes.com/2026/03/18/kemi-badenoch-defends-shadow-minister-who-called-london-muslim-celebrations-an-act-of-domination/Timothy must go?
"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."
Well that's ok then!
If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?
There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,
Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.
A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.
Homophobia often conceals homosexuality
It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia
Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances
Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal
We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.
Not the same thing
It's possible to pull off that exact same trick with "Muslims" and "Islam". And people do.
Re: Bad expectations – politicalbetting.com
So the choice is between being supine to Islam or Trumpism?Don’t complain you weren’t warned when Prime Minister Farage replicates President Trump.If you won't confront the Islamic issue, that's what you'll probably get. Don't complain that you weren't warned.I care about this country’s liberal traditions. Which is why I don’t want bigots in charge.Some of us care about this country's liberal traditions. If you don't then you may well get what you deserve.Yeah, I’m checking out.Yep. This is what the future looks like if Farage gets in.
Pick your poison, eh?
Re: Bad expectations – politicalbetting.com
That was in 2017 ( believe it or not).There were about 20 in the Manchester Arena bomb alone.So it’s just the BBC webpage but nothing about Timothy. Suggests it’s a rather trivial thing.You are more likely to get killed in the accidental spillover from a gang war than by a terrorist attack. You are much more likely to be killed by a drunk driver.
I have no issue with people having faith. I personally am an atheist. I do find aspects of the link in Islam to identity and mysogeny to be chaallenging in a western liberal context. A strongly patriarchal society does not sit easily in the world of eqquaal rights, equality and diversity etc. There is also no doubt that some Muslims do wish to see Islam take over the world. And at the moment a terrorist a attack is most likely to be inspired by a perverted creed of Islam, so people are naturally afraid.
There have been 7 deaths in Great Britain from terrorist attacks since 1 Jan 2020, so about 1 a year. About 4-5 people are killed by cows each year. Don’t be afraid of terrorists, of any sort. Be afraid of cows.
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Re: Bad expectations – politicalbetting.com
If you won't confront the Islamic issue, that's what you'll probably get. Don't complain that you weren't warned.I care about this country’s liberal traditions. Which is why I don’t want bigots in charge.Some of us care about this country's liberal traditions. If you don't then you may well get what you deserve.Yeah, I’m checking out.Yep. This is what the future looks like if Farage gets in.
Re: Bad expectations – politicalbetting.com
There were about 20 in the Manchester Arena bomb alone.So it’s just the BBC webpage but nothing about Timothy. Suggests it’s a rather trivial thing.You are more likely to get killed in the accidental spillover from a gang war than by a terrorist attack. You are much more likely to be killed by a drunk driver.
I have no issue with people having faith. I personally am an atheist. I do find aspects of the link in Islam to identity and mysogeny to be chaallenging in a western liberal context. A strongly patriarchal society does not sit easily in the world of eqquaal rights, equality and diversity etc. There is also no doubt that some Muslims do wish to see Islam take over the world. And at the moment a terrorist a attack is most likely to be inspired by a perverted creed of Islam, so people are naturally afraid.
There have been 7 deaths in Great Britain from terrorist attacks since 1 Jan 2020, so about 1 a year. About 4-5 people are killed by cows each year. Don’t be afraid of terrorists, of any sort. Be afraid of cows.
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Re: Bad expectations – politicalbetting.com
As far as wicked Dictatorships go the Shah was probably rated a 5 or 6/10. The Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps ratcheted theirs to 11.The impression I get is that the Shah's regime was pretty bad but not quite as bad as the current one.Iran is how it is because the leftists helped the Islamists to powerAscribing single causes to an event like the Iranian revolution is, at the very least, extremely lazy.
I have plenty of Persian friends here in LA: mostly Jewish, but a fair number of Muslims too. A lot of them fled because their families were too close to the Shah.
Very few of them are particularly kind about him. They think that his brutal repression via SAVAK was entirely counter-productive, as was his insane celebration as the King of Kings at a time when large parts of the country were starving helped turn people against him.
They hate what Persia has become, and they hate the Mullahs, but if you ask them if they blame the Shah more or leftists from the around the world, they would look at you like you were completely bonkers.
It is also worth noting that the Shah was one of the leading proponents of OPEC's price assertiveness, which -of course- was triggered by the West's support of Israel. (And which, in turn, meant the Shah didn't have as many friends in the West -on either side of the political aisle- when the revolution came.)
Re: This feels sub-optimal for Nigel Farage – politicalbetting.com
In which Labour came seventh.Milford HakinA blue collar ward, of the kind that is now very fertile ground for right of centre parties.
Reform gain from Independent
Ref 179
Con 144
Ind Bridges 106
Grn 85
LD 57
Ind Edwards 52
Lab 27
Ind Abbott 11
https://newsroom.pembrokeshire.gov.uk/news/result-of-milford-hakin-by-election-declared
Seventh.
In Wales.
Re: Bad expectations – politicalbetting.com
Am I the only one who thinks Joe Kent, former director of the National Counterterrorism Center, isn't a real person but instead a Team America puppet?
Re: Bad expectations – politicalbetting.com
Brains Trust: Can anyone recommend a good, fairly powerful, head torch - for late evening walking.I still have an ancient Petzl Zoom, new head (LED), new handle, but Petzl do make some ridiculously bright head torches (Duo? Nao?). They aren't cheap, mind. @Eabhal is probably the man to ask.
I've picked up a Silva Seek 450, which is great but not really powerful enough fro everything..
Recommendations welcome.
I very rarely use one - even when walking off Scottish hills in January - unless the terrain is really rough. There's something to be said for navigating by the light of Venus...


