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Re: Punters still think Reform will win the most seats at the next election – politicalbetting.com
sounds like one of those indians who is a big big fan of the caste systemI thought it interesting because it's a) not the position you expect of academics and b) emphasises that the sort of immigrants we do want are not necessarily sympathetic to those we do not.That reads like an @Leon anecdote. Although you could have embellished the story with some Albanian taxi drivers.Siri, give me an example of "slavering":Caught up with an Indian friend today. He came to England in his early 20s in the late 90s - he's an academic. Reportred that his sister was now voting Reform, amd went on a long diatribe about a) immigration (of the asylum seeker sort), b) people who fly Palestinian flags and c) Rachel Reeves. Entirely sympathetic to the England flags appearing around my home suburb.
Matt Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ
If you are not from the UK then you should know there are currently dozens of protests happening right now across the country against illegal migration, broken borders, the sexual assault of our children, and the fact our own government is using our own money to outbid our own people in our own housing market by bankrolling private firms to put illegal migrants into the heart of our communities with more favourable rental contracts, all while giving us a bill of £7 BILLION a year and calling us “far right” if we say anything about it.
https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1959288203027915233
If it helps, he was also dead against Britain getting involved in Ukraine, so he's clearly not just trying to report opinions he thinks I'll agree with.

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Re: Punters still think Reform will win the most seats at the next election – politicalbetting.com
And why not…the return of the random dog for scale photo…He looks like he can't work out why there was a dogs not allowed sign, and quite why you ignored it.

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Re: Punters still think Reform will win the most seats at the next election – politicalbetting.com
No England flags here in Cornwall. Not many Cornish ones either.Was it a refugee from the Tower of London?
Raven. Let me get close enough with the iPhone to snap this, albeit zoomed in.

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Re: Punters still think Reform will win the most seats at the next election – politicalbetting.com
Colombian Black Hawk Downed By (likely drug cartel) Drone Is A Glimpse Of What’s To ComeAccepting the last of an order presumably costs no more than cancelling the last of an order.
https://www.twz.com/air/colombian-black-hawk-downed-by-drone-is-a-glimpse-of-whats-to-come
This is why S Korea cancelled its order for AH-64s.
Meanwhile, another legacy from previous government.
DE&S accepts final AH-64E Apache helicopter for British Army
https://des.mod.uk/apache-ah-64e-british-army-boeing-helicopter/
The 50th AH-64E Apache has been secured for the British Army, completing the new fleet of the world’s most advanced attack helicopter.
The final Apache was handed over to DE&S at Boeing’s manufacturing facility in Arizona, USA. The UK’s operational fleet is now fully established at the Army’s Wattisham Flying Station in Suffolk, while the training fleet is complete at the Army Aviation Centre in Middle Wallop, Hampshire...

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Re: Punters still think Reform will win the most seats at the next election – politicalbetting.com
Siri, give me an example of "slavering":Caught up with an Indian friend today. He came to England in his early 20s in the late 90s - he's an academic. Reportred that his sister was now voting Reform, amd went on a long diatribe about a) immigration (of the asylum seeker sort), b) people who fly Palestinian flags and c) Rachel Reeves. Entirely sympathetic to the England flags appearing around my home suburb.
Matt Goodwin
@GoodwinMJ
If you are not from the UK then you should know there are currently dozens of protests happening right now across the country against illegal migration, broken borders, the sexual assault of our children, and the fact our own government is using our own money to outbid our own people in our own housing market by bankrolling private firms to put illegal migrants into the heart of our communities with more favourable rental contracts, all while giving us a bill of £7 BILLION a year and calling us “far right” if we say anything about it.
https://x.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1959288203027915233

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Re: Punters still think Reform will win the most seats at the next election – politicalbetting.com
Well, it will - because when people talk about "owning the libs" they're talking precisely about people like you.I had thought you were interested in a discussion. If you're just interested in "owning the libs"... well, we've seen where that's ended up in the US. Fingers crossed that the UK does not follow the same path.I've really gotten under your skin, haven't I?You're like a man who still can't give actual examples.You're like a man with a fork in a world of soup.But you can't give actual examples. Because it's in your head.You are an absolutely perfect example of the phenomenon.What problem is who not recognising? You appear to be caught in some strange persecutory fantasy. The current Govt is very aware of many problems and are clearly trying to do something about them. Now, you may conclude that they're not doing a very good job, but the idea that they refuse to recognise problems and are doubling down on "hyperliberalism" is entirely at odds with reality. Indeed, part of Labour's polling woes is because they've lost the "hyperliberal" vote on their left, while not convincing those in the centre that they're delivering.I was surprised to see anti-migrant protest are taking place in a town not far from where I grew up: Horley in Surrey. Surely the post boring place in human history. Even its name is just a dreary amalgamation of those of the two nearby towns Horsham and Crawley (not particularly exciting places in themselves).The liberal consensus is breaking down. In real-time. I can even see aspects of it fraying amongst professional middle-class people, although more cautiously and with caveats.
I don't necessarily welcome this. I've considered myself pretty liberal in the past: a believer in openness, being reasonable, free debate, a supporter of moderate migration, sceptical of ID cards, hating detention without due cause, cherishing fair rights and responsibilities, open and free trade, and international rule of law.
However, this is all breaking down because of an absolute refusal of the governing elites to compromise, and an extraordinary level of resistance to any idea that there's even a problem - let alone that they should reform - to provide answers to the problems of today; their only response seemingly to be to clamp down on dissent and double-down on hyperliberalism.
In their determination to not give an inch anywhere, they risk losing everything. And plenty of them will never see it coming until it's far far too late, and then blame anyone but themselves.
In fact, you encapsulate it.
Can you give me a concrete example of a problem facing the country where there is "an absolute refusal of the governing elites to compromise, and an extraordinary level of resistance to any idea that there's even a problem - let alone that they should reform"?
Come on, what problem? People coming over in boats? The government is very clear that this is a problem and they want to stop it happening. Asylum seekers in hotels? Government policy is to end this practice as soon as possible. Overall net immigration being high? The Government has committed to reducing it from the levels seen in the last few years of the previous administration.
As I said, you might well think the Government is shit at handling any of these. Fair enough. But they're not refusing to acknowledge that there is a problem.
Because you won't engage with, empathise with or even attempt to understand the central point you end up utterly infuriating them. You're seen as pompous, arrogant and condescending and yet remain, inexplicably, in charge - so the only political satisfaction they have is to "own" you. Of course, you won't recognise any of this - your total lack of self-awareness being symbolic of your kind - because you lack any humility to recognise that you might not have possibly got all of this right.
And, so, you get owned.
Re: Punters still think Reform will win the most seats at the next election – politicalbetting.com
'George, you can type this shit, but you can't act it.'"Who is more foolish? The fool, or the fool who follows him?"Gotten adds something. It has a sense of motion about it. Eg on this thread, "I've gotten under your skin". That works. By contrast something such as "I've gotten the music in me". No. Not scanning.To link to another one:
Who could forget the look of disgust on Alec Guinness' face as he delivered - with manifest reluctance - the line 'he should have stayed here and not - gotten - involved' in Star Wars?
(That was Harrison Ford.)

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Re: Punters still think Reform will win the most seats at the next election – politicalbetting.com
Gotten adds something. It has a sense of motion about it. Eg on this thread, "I've gotten under your skin". That works. By contrast something such as "I've gotten the music in me". No. Not scanning.You've got the love I need to see me through.
Re: Punters still think Reform will win the most seats at the next election – politicalbetting.com
It's a shame British English no longer embraces 'gotten' the way American English does. I've always thought there was something useful and elegant in the way the simple past tense is sometimes distinguished from the past participle by that 'en' construction:
I bit into the apple / I have bitten into the apple.
I proved him wrong / I have proven him wrong.
I fell into the pond / I have fallen into the pond.
etc. etc.
I have gotten into an awful mess just fits into that venerable tradition to my ears.
I bit into the apple / I have bitten into the apple.
I proved him wrong / I have proven him wrong.
I fell into the pond / I have fallen into the pond.
etc. etc.
I have gotten into an awful mess just fits into that venerable tradition to my ears.
Re: Punters still think Reform will win the most seats at the next election – politicalbetting.com
Gotten adds something. It has a sense of motion about it. Eg on this thread, "I've gotten under your skin". That works. By contrast something such as "I've gotten the music in me". No. Not scanning.To link to another conversation on this thread:
Who could forget the look of disgust on Alec Guinness' face as he delivered - with manifest reluctance - the line 'he should have stayed here and not - gotten - involved' in Star Wars?

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