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Re: Labour’s share of the vote in Makerfield – politicalbetting.com
I have no idea how true that is, but it’s crystal clear that politicians on the left go very quiet around these cases. We get the word “tragedy” spouted a lot which is always a tell.Fpt:The father of a university student killed trying to protect her friend has told a public inquiry of his "disgust" that the stabbing victims were tested for drugs and alcohol - but their attacker was not.It seems that the Hampshire plods attempted to libel a murder victim:What’s happening with the Hillsborough Law? Feels like something Andy Burnham could capitalise on here.
An initial police statement later that morning said: “It was reported two men had been assaulted by an unknown man.”
The Nowak family, raw with grief, became concerned that a false narrative was being pushed about their son. It is understood that police told the family the next update they planned to publish, which would include the Nowaks’ tribute, would again imply that he was the initial aggressor.
Officers dropped that section of the statement, which only referred to an “altercation” when published.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/henry-nowak-murder-trial-police-l8x990pkb
In further echoes of Hillsborough, I see that the victims of the Nottingham attack were tested for drugs:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ywd4gdzk1o
The theme which runs through the Nowak murder, the Nottingham murders, the Southport murders and the Fordingbridge rapes is DEI.
With the criminals deemed to need 'equity' even if that requires demeaning the victims.
tlg86
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Re: Labour’s share of the vote in Makerfield – politicalbetting.com
The police have set themselves the rule that allegations of racism must always be believed. This is the logical outcome of that. It's not a long chain of causality, it's ine simple step.Fpt:The father of a university student killed trying to protect her friend has told a public inquiry of his "disgust" that the stabbing victims were tested for drugs and alcohol - but their attacker was not.It seems that the Hampshire plods attempted to libel a murder victim:What’s happening with the Hillsborough Law? Feels like something Andy Burnham could capitalise on here.
An initial police statement later that morning said: “It was reported two men had been assaulted by an unknown man.”
The Nowak family, raw with grief, became concerned that a false narrative was being pushed about their son. It is understood that police told the family the next update they planned to publish, which would include the Nowaks’ tribute, would again imply that he was the initial aggressor.
Officers dropped that section of the statement, which only referred to an “altercation” when published.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/henry-nowak-murder-trial-police-l8x990pkb
In further echoes of Hillsborough, I see that the victims of the Nottingham attack were tested for drugs:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ywd4gdzk1o
The theme which runs through the Nowak murder, the Nottingham murders, the Southport murders and the Fordingbridge rapes is DEI.
With the criminals deemed to need 'equity' even if that requires demeaning the victims.
Cookie
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Re: Labour’s share of the vote in Makerfield – politicalbetting.com
"...Burnham would also likely be the most leftwing UK PM since Harold Wilson..."A resounding win and Burnham succeeding Starmer by the end of summer would be my preferred outcomeMaybe but Starmer to Burnham is a shift even further left for Labour, Burnham is a better communicator than Starmer but Burnham would also likely be the most leftwing UK PM since Harold Wilson
Politics has to change and it starts with Starmer leaving office
That would be Harold Wilson, the winner of four-ish general elections? I think the Labour Party will cope.
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Re: Labour’s share of the vote in Makerfield – politicalbetting.com
Wilson was not particularly left wing, certainly not economically, although his social reforms were fairly radical for the time. Equally, some of them had been mooted by Macmillan."...Burnham would also likely be the most leftwing UK PM since Harold Wilson..."A resounding win and Burnham succeeding Starmer by the end of summer would be my preferred outcomeMaybe but Starmer to Burnham is a shift even further left for Labour, Burnham is a better communicator than Starmer but Burnham would also likely be the most leftwing UK PM since Harold Wilson
Politics has to change and it starts with Starmer leaving office
That would be Harold Wilson, the winner of four-ish general elections? I think the Labour Party will cope.
ydoethur
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Re: The forgotten by-elections – politicalbetting.com
Personally I am hoping for a rerun of 2022 and when every 10 minutes a minister resigned trying to get Boris Johnson to quit.Sky saying Starmer says he will fight any contestOnce more, with feeling;
His cabinet need to tell him to go
Right now, any Prime Minister in this sort of position has to say that, even if it isn't true. Because once you even hint at anything different, the focus becomes "who's next?" and whatever little authority you have leaks away.
It's the same for anyone in an exposed leadership position. In teaching, you can't tell a class that they are having someone else next year... not if you plan to get any more work out of them.
Thatcher said something similar in 1990. Major and Sunak's manifestoes for elections where they must have known they were doomed are cut from the same cloth.
It's something that Prime Ministers have to say, because politics is sometimes a dirty business. And, however much some people have cause to resent it, Sir Keir Starmer KC is our Prime Minister, for at least a bit longer.
He was in a televised session with the Liaison Committee and Sky News had a resignation counter that kept on going up with Boris Johnson oblivious to the number resigning (or the fact several cabinet ministers were waiting for him in Number 10 ready to tell him to quit.)
Re: Labour’s share of the vote in Makerfield – politicalbetting.com
The Southport murderer had the same 'red flags ignored' and 'missed opportunities' litany of various agencies which are terrified of being accused of racism.I don’t see what that has to do with DEI, a US term for an organisational framework mainly affecting employees. Anyone who thinks the police is full of right on wokesters has not met a policeman. The police can be overly cynical and suspicious of everyone, including victims. They get it wrong about white people. They get it wrong about black people. They get it wrong about brown people. If you move away from individual cases and try to look at broad patterns, it’s clear they still rush to negative judgements about black men more than any other group.Fpt:The father of a university student killed trying to protect her friend has told a public inquiry of his "disgust" that the stabbing victims were tested for drugs and alcohol - but their attacker was not.It seems that the Hampshire plods attempted to libel a murder victim:What’s happening with the Hillsborough Law? Feels like something Andy Burnham could capitalise on here.
An initial police statement later that morning said: “It was reported two men had been assaulted by an unknown man.”
The Nowak family, raw with grief, became concerned that a false narrative was being pushed about their son. It is understood that police told the family the next update they planned to publish, which would include the Nowaks’ tribute, would again imply that he was the initial aggressor.
Officers dropped that section of the statement, which only referred to an “altercation” when published.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/crime/article/henry-nowak-murder-trial-police-l8x990pkb
In further echoes of Hillsborough, I see that the victims of the Nottingham attack were tested for drugs:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5ywd4gdzk1o
The theme which runs through the Nowak murder, the Nottingham murders, the Southport murders and the Fordingbridge rapes is DEI.
With the criminals deemed to need 'equity' even if that requires demeaning the victims.
What, in particular, do the Southport murders have to do with DEI? Online rabble-rousers invented a story that the attacker was a Muslim immigrant, when he was neither. That shows a problem with them, not the police.
Now perhaps some will say that the incompetence of the agencies involved had nothing to do with the murderers ethnicity.
But the two prominent cases of psychotic mass stabbings of Southport and Nottingham both meet the profile that they do.
Re: Labour’s share of the vote in Makerfield – politicalbetting.com
Burnham is many things to many people and he will be restrained by the bond marketsA resounding win and Burnham succeeding Starmer by the end of summer would be my preferred outcomeMaybe but Starmer to Burnham is a shift even further left for Labour, Burnham is a better communicator than Starmer but Burnham would also likely be the most leftwing UK PM since Harold Wilson
Politics has to change and it starts with Starmer leaving office
I expect him to be less tribal and more collegiate but we will have to see
First of all he has to win Makerfield and then see Starmer either resign or lose in a leadership ballot
Re: Labour’s share of the vote in Makerfield – politicalbetting.com
A resounding win and Burnham succeeding Starmer by the end of summer would be my preferred outcomeBurnham will make exactly the mistakes Starmer has made and for exactly the same reasons.
Politics has to change and it starts with Starmer leaving office
Streeting would not but would likely make worse ones because he’s so incredibly arrogant.
ydoethur
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Re: Labour’s share of the vote in Makerfield – politicalbetting.com
Max Verstappen stalls.
I am distraught.
I am distraught.
Re: Labour’s share of the vote in Makerfield – politicalbetting.com
Oh dear, what a shame for Max. Never mind.
DavidL
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