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A long dark tea-time of the political soul. Had a very productive day working with my business partners / friends on our new business. Next week is a BIG week in our ambitions.

Spent lunchtime walking round the lake with my friend of 16 years who has clearly drifted right in his perspective. And it's entertaining how my own perspective continues to slide to the right once someone who knows how I think challenges me.

Last time I thought about the Tories positively was in the early days of Boris, and look how badly that turned out...

Oh God No! lol

Hmm. I can only repeat my previous question: what Lib Dem policies do you now no longer believe, and what Conservative policies do you now believe which you did not believe before? Politics isn't ties.

I only see politics as that partisan when forced to do it. There’s good and bad in all parties. With the exception of of those racist fucks in Restore Britain.

I was a liberal inside the Labour Party for a while. And now I find myself on the Orange Book end of the LibDems as opposed to the SDP end.

It’s not about specific policies or even people. It’s about feel. And what has my feel been for a while? I really liked Rishi Sunak and told him that when I met him as Chancellor. even if he ended up utterly ineffective as PM. I keep saying “Liz Truss was right” to provoke the need to think the unthinkable. Even if she was bonkers. Etc

Liz Truss WAS RIGHT.

And well done for saying so.

Being open to thinking the unthinkable is not the same thing as believing the unbelievable.

"Iran Supreme Leader likely disfigured" ... Hegseth

I've had enough of this, I think.

As he is filmed walking down a street shaking hands with the public

Only question - when?

That was the President on the streets, not the person in charge.

My mum likes Hesketh.

The whole conflict has changed now, from what it was last weekend. UK didn’t have much of a stake in it last weekend, but now it’s about the straits of hormooz and keeping the oil flowing, US are committing ground troops up to five thousand of them. The UK is now going to have to put Warships in the gulf to play active role keeping the oil flowing, and grounds troops alongside the Americans in order to go after where the threats to tankers are coming from. Arn’t we?

Naval assistance possibly but even that may not be possible

The French have more naval ships in the area

However, it only takes a couple of tankers to be sunk in the narrow navigable channel to close the straits indefinitely

UK is now in this situation up to its eyebrows, whether it likes how things got here or not. The UK has to send a small armada to the gulf to keep the straits of Hormuz open in our national interest, as well as ground troops, boots on the ground alongside our coalition of allies, as the only way to go after and silence the threat to the tankers.

When you look at the bigger picture here, where this is naturally progressing - there’s no ceasefire nor regime change, just ongoing conflict from this point, with action by allies to secure passage of oil.

What are people seeing as the bigger picture and direction of travel and natural progression of the national interest if you are not seeing it like this?

You were the first one posted it yesterday, BigG and it’s on the front of the papers today, what I described here is exactly what you told us is the thinking of the UK Minister for Defence. 🤷‍♀️

The UK doesn't have to do any of that.
Not in the slightest.

You are utterly wrong.

The problem is, if the straits remain closed the next 6 months to a year, every single household and business in UK will feel it. Businesses will be destroyed. Inflation, especially energy bills and food prices will become rampant, perhaps even worse than the last energy crisis because this one ramps up more quickly and has power to be bigger and it’s route cause open ended. Every single media outlet today is saying recession for UK is now inevitable - but what’s coming can be a magnitude beyond mere recession, the economy actually wrecked in up to a year of negative growth, high interest payments, ever rising unemployment simultaneous with ever rising prices - a crisis on government actually being able to get more borrowing in order to pay our bills and service our growing debt - the sort of slump that leaves scars upon generations.

There’s what I described, as a plan to deal with the problem., which you just said no to - What’s the alternative plan? More borrowing and handouts to try and ease the pain, instead of going to the gulf with allies and dealing with the cause at source and clear it up as quick as possible.

The last attempt at throwing money at credit crisis, nearly £100Bn thrown at it by the conservatives, one tenth paid by windall tax, the rest was borrowing. The group of Labour MPs who have called for a 2p rise on tax for help with bills need to be recalled and thrown out of politics, for being criminally dumb to think that would raise anything other than a mere fraction of £100Bn of help used last time. We can’t have Labour MPs as totally thick as that plan remaining in Parliament, they need to be identified and removed.

Your position is clearly: don’t listen to MoonRabbit, we don’t need to do that. No proactive action is needed on the actual cause of all our pain and ruin. Have a cup of tea and doing nothing everything will turn out all right.

The electorate will listen to me, not you.

A long dark tea-time of the political soul. Had a very productive day working with my business partners / friends on our new business. Next week is a BIG week in our ambitions.

Spent lunchtime walking round the lake with my friend of 16 years who has clearly drifted right in his perspective. And it's entertaining how my own perspective continues to slide to the right once someone who knows how I think challenges me.

Last time I thought about the Tories positively was in the early days of Boris, and look how badly that turned out...

Oh God No! lol

Hmm. I can only repeat my previous question: what Lib Dem policies do you now no longer believe, and what Conservative policies do you now believe which you did not believe before? Politics isn't ties.

I only see politics as that partisan when forced to do it. There’s good and bad in all parties. With the exception of of those racist fucks in Restore Britain.

I was a liberal inside the Labour Party for a while. And now I find myself on the Orange Book end of the LibDems as opposed to the SDP end.

It’s not about specific policies or even people. It’s about feel. And what has my feel been for a while? I really liked Rishi Sunak and told him that when I met him as Chancellor. even if he ended up utterly ineffective as PM. I keep saying “Liz Truss was right” to provoke the need to think the unthinkable. Even if she was bonkers. Etc

I am fearful there might be some sort of thought osmosis being transferred from Elon Musk to Rochdale Pioneers via your car.

"Iran Supreme Leader likely disfigured" ... Hegseth

I've had enough of this, I think.

As he is filmed walking down a street shaking hands with the public

Only question - when?

That was the President on the streets, not the person in charge.

My mum likes Hesketh.

The whole conflict has changed now, from what it was last weekend. UK didn’t have much of a stake in it last weekend, but now it’s about the straits of hormooz and keeping the oil flowing, US are committing ground troops up to five thousand of them. The UK is now going to have to put Warships in the gulf to play active role keeping the oil flowing, and grounds troops alongside the Americans in order to go after where the threats to tankers are coming from. Arn’t we?

Naval assistance possibly but even that may not be possible

The French have more naval ships in the area

However, it only takes a couple of tankers to be sunk in the narrow navigable channel to close the straits indefinitely

UK is now in this situation up to its eyebrows, whether it likes how things got here or not. The UK has to send a small armada to the gulf to keep the straits of Hormuz open in our national interest, as well as ground troops, boots on the ground alongside our coalition of allies, as the only way to go after and silence the threat to the tankers.

When you look at the bigger picture here, where this is naturally progressing - there’s no ceasefire nor regime change, just ongoing conflict from this point, with action by allies to secure passage of oil.

What are people seeing as the bigger picture and direction of travel and natural progression of the national interest if you are not seeing it like this?

You were the first one posted it yesterday, BigG and it’s on the front of the papers today, what I described here is exactly what you told us is the thinking of the UK Minister for Defence. 🤷‍♀️

The UK doesn't have to do any of that.
Not in the slightest.

You are utterly wrong.

The problem is, if the straits remain closed the next 6 months to a year, every single household and business in UK will feel it. Businesses will be destroyed. Inflation, especially energy bills and food prices will become rampant, perhaps even worse than the last energy crisis because this one ramps up more quickly and has power to be bigger and it’s route cause open ended. Every single media outlet today is saying recession for UK is now inevitable - but what’s coming can be a magnitude beyond mere recession, the economy actually wrecked in up to a year of negative growth, high interest payments, ever rising unemployment simultaneous with ever rising prices - a crisis on government actually being able to get more borrowing in order to pay our bills and service our growing debt - the sort of slump that leaves scars upon generations.

There’s what I described, as a plan to deal with the problem., which you just said no to - What’s the alternative plan? More borrowing and handouts to try and ease the pain, instead of going to the gulf with allies and dealing with the cause at source and clear it up as quick as possible.

The last attempt at throwing money at credit crisis, nearly £100Bn thrown at it by the conservatives, one tenth paid by windall tax, the rest was borrowing. The group of Labour MPs who have called for a 2p rise on tax for help with bills need to be recalled and thrown out of politics, for being criminally dumb to think that would raise anything other than a mere fraction of £100Bn of help used last time. We can’t have Labour MPs as totally thick as that plan remaining in Parliament, they need to be identified and removed.

Your position is clearly: don’t listen to MoonRabbit, we don’t need to do that. No proactive action is needed on the actual cause of all our pain and ruin. Have a cup of tea and doing nothing everything will turn out all right.

The electorate will listen to me, not you.

In what dream-like scenario of yours does the UK make the difference between the Straits staying open or not?