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Re: Rupert Lowe isn’t very good at expectations management – politicalbetting.com
So Burnham has moved beyond expecting Labourites to genuflect before him to now expecting members of other parties to bow down.
Just when you think he has reached peak arrogance, he takes it to another level.
Just when you think he has reached peak arrogance, he takes it to another level.
Re: Rupert Lowe isn’t very good at expectations management – politicalbetting.com
Arne Slot sacked by LFCIt’s sad in that I don’t really like seeing anyone sacked and it’s not really the way Liverpool usually act but I think he had lost the squad and we needed some fresh thinking and attitude. I said to people that Iraola would be a better fit for Liverpool than Xabi Alonso as he likes a more aggressive style whilst Xabi is v possession based.
Hopefully if we get Iraola we will also get Alex Scott, not the presenter, the midfielder.
boulay
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Re: Rupert Lowe isn’t very good at expectations management – politicalbetting.com
Politics always involves battles over definitions.Progressive is like 'liberal', 'left' and 'right'. Without elucidation one can have no idea what it means. For example you may think that progress involves equality of opportunity. Others may think it also involves equality of outcome. I think I am progressive. The first is great, and a top aspiration, the second is disastrous IMO.The idea the hard left, Corbynite, Greens are progressive is an interesting one.'Allies of Andy Burnham will form a new "council" of cross-party figures to discuss working together to stop a Reform UK government.Lol, try keeping that coalition together.I see the BMG polling suggests my gut instinct on Burnham not being able to save the tarnished Labour brand...On the BMG poll Reform would win most seats but Burnham could be PM with LD, SNP, PC and Green and MIN support and the BMG poll is the worst hypthetical poll for him,MiC and Deltapoll both have Labour winning most seats with Burnham their leader
That said, interesting to hear from someone on the spot that Burnham being a 'carpetbagger' might not help.....
The "council for the progressive majority" is being instigated by Compass, a centre-left thinktank whose founder Neal Lawson is an influential supporter of the Greater Manchester mayor.
The council will be comprised of two leading figures from each of the progressive parties in the UK - Labour, the Liberal Democrats, the Greens, the SNP and Plaid Cymru.
Voters from these parties make up what Compass calls the "progressive majority" over the Conservatives and Reform and its previous incarnations.'
https://news.sky.com/story/burnham-allies-plan-cross-party-council-to-stop-a-reform-uk-government-13549122
But words have at least some attachment to their dictionary definitions.
Restore, for example, are by definition, and by their own pronouncements, closer to the regressive side of the progressive/regressive dichotomy.
Nigelb
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Re: Rupert Lowe isn’t very good at expectations management – politicalbetting.com
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...This report introduces More in Common’s new segmentation of the British public. Based on extended research into Britons’ core beliefs, their values and behaviours, and how they divide along these new fault lines, this segmentation allows us to look upstream not just at what different groups think, but why they think it...
https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/seven-segments/
How can they be "traditionally left", when all of these categories are recent inventions of the pollster ?Established Liberals are the only group the Tories now lead with, albeit tied with Starmer Labour, of the other groups they won in 2024, Rooted Patriots now have a big Reform lead and Traditional Conservatives now narrowly prefer Reform over the Tories too.In a segment the Conservatives won overwhelmingly in 2019, and narrowly in 2024.I wasn't really aware of More in Common's polling segments.The most interesting fact from that is the Conservatives now tie Labour for the lead with Established Liberals with the LDs third and Reform only 4th amongst this elite group.
https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/seven-segments/
"Established Liberals" seems a slightly misleading name for a group only one in five of whom vote LibDem.
But it clearly captures something:
This doesn't surprise me, while Labour's vote is down across 6 of our 7 segments, Established Liberals - the most comfortable, optimistic, internationalist group - are an exception. Among ELs Labour's vote hasn't dropped at all and they likely dominate audiences places like Hay
https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/2060414799675003116
https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/2060414799675003116?s=20
Boris won Dissenting Disruptors in 2019 but that group narrowly went Labour in 2024 and is now majority Reform. Sceptical Scrollers also went for Boris in 2019, strongly for Labour in 2024 and now Reform has a clear lead with that group as well.
Of the 2 traditionally left leaning groups Corbyn won in 2019 and Starmer in 2024, Labour still lead clearly with the Incrementalist Left but Labour only narrowly lead the Greens with Progressive Activists
https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/seven-segments/
...This report introduces More in Common’s new segmentation of the British public. Based on extended research into Britons’ core beliefs, their values and behaviours, and how they divide along these new fault lines, this segmentation allows us to look upstream not just at what different groups think, but why they think it...
https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/seven-segments/
Nigelb
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Re: Rupert Lowe isn’t very good at expectations management – politicalbetting.com
If Restore can establish themselves (and they have the money and Online reach), then we are talking 6 party politics. 7 in Scotland and Wales.
Cross party cooperation then becomes inevitable if you want to win. So you need to do it before the other side does.
Party x or y sticking their fingers in their ears and saying they are aiming for a majority government is a sure fire way to lose.
Cross party cooperation then becomes inevitable if you want to win. So you need to do it before the other side does.
Party x or y sticking their fingers in their ears and saying they are aiming for a majority government is a sure fire way to lose.
Re: Rupert Lowe isn’t very good at expectations management – politicalbetting.com
The fecking Greens?'Allies of Andy Burnham will form a new "council" of cross-party figures to discuss working together to stop a Reform UK government.Lol, try keeping that coalition together.I see the BMG polling suggests my gut instinct on Burnham not being able to save the tarnished Labour brand...On the BMG poll Reform would win most seats but Burnham could be PM with LD, SNP, PC and Green and MIN support and the BMG poll is the worst hypthetical poll for him,MiC and Deltapoll both have Labour winning most seats with Burnham their leader
That said, interesting to hear from someone on the spot that Burnham being a 'carpetbagger' might not help.....
The "council for the progressive majority" is being instigated by Compass, a centre-left thinktank whose founder Neal Lawson is an influential supporter of the Greater Manchester mayor.
The council will be comprised of two leading figures from each of the progressive parties in the UK - Labour, the Liberal Democrats, the Greens, the SNP and Plaid Cymru.
Voters from these parties make up what Compass calls the "progressive majority" over the Conservatives and Reform and its previous incarnations.'
https://news.sky.com/story/burnham-allies-plan-cross-party-council-to-stop-a-reform-uk-government-13549122
Might as well invite the SWP.
Re: Rupert Lowe isn’t very good at expectations management – politicalbetting.com
The polling doesn’t support that: see this from February 2026, https://yougov.com/en-gb/articles/54117-what-is-the-tactical-voting-landscape-in-february-2026The Left are now despised in a way that the NU10K will never understand; and the Greens are seen by the average Briton as a danger....There was a lot of tactical voting at the last election and it didn’t lead to a right wing coalition. There was a lot of tactical voting in Gorton & Denton and it didn’t lead to a right wing coalition.Allies of Andy Burnham are getting ahead of themselves somewhat aren't they.....'Allies of Andy Burnham will form a new "council" of cross-party figures to discuss working together to stop a Reform UK government.Lol, try keeping that coalition together.I see the BMG polling suggests my gut instinct on Burnham not being able to save the tarnished Labour brand...On the BMG poll Reform would win most seats but Burnham could be PM with LD, SNP, PC and Green and MIN support and the BMG poll is the worst hypthetical poll for him,MiC and Deltapoll both have Labour winning most seats with Burnham their leader
That said, interesting to hear from someone on the spot that Burnham being a 'carpetbagger' might not help.....
The "council for the progressive majority" is being instigated by Compass, a centre-left thinktank whose founder Neal Lawson is an influential supporter of the Greater Manchester mayor.
The council will be comprised of two leading figures from each of the progressive parties in the UK - Labour, the Liberal Democrats, the Greens, the SNP and Plaid Cymru.
Voters from these parties make up what Compass calls the "progressive majority" over the Conservatives and Reform and its previous incarnations.'
https://news.sky.com/story/burnham-allies-plan-cross-party-council-to-stop-a-reform-uk-government-13549122
I'd love to see the tactical voting, and the right wing coalition, that this would lead to.
I suspect there will be a massive boost to the 'stop the left' bloc if it ever happened
Re: Rupert Lowe isn’t very good at expectations management – politicalbetting.com
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And half of Reform's leadership is composed of Tory retreads who were in office while this "burning injustice" was being created.
Zia Yusuf is an arse.
David GaukeThis unpleasant character was himself a member of the Tory party only two years ago
@DavidGauke
I didn’t vote for either of the winners of the last two General Elections but “traitors” for whom a “reckoning is coming”? Really? This very excitable, angry & hyperbolic man should be nowhere near a position of responsibility in a political party that aspires to power.
Quote Zia Yusuf
@ZiaYusufUK
Recent events demonstrate why I view the Tory and Labour politicians who created the burning injustice of modern Britain as traitors to their country.
A reckoning is coming.
https://x.com/DavidGauke/status/2060479604481986575
And half of Reform's leadership is composed of Tory retreads who were in office while this "burning injustice" was being created.
Zia Yusuf is an arse.
Nigelb
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Re: Rupert Lowe isn’t very good at expectations management – politicalbetting.com
Liberalism is sceptical of the accumulation of power, which seems a great starting point for a policy framework in response to AI, broligarchs and nationalism.I would also add, I am instinctively liberal and would identify as such but not convinced liberalism can create a policy framework that deals well with the global threats around AI, climate, broligarchs and nationalism. So whilst liberalism still has its place in some policy areas, it is not surprising that parties are not building around it as they might do in more stable and less threatening times.I wasn't really aware of More in Common's polling segments.Are any of our parties particularly liberal? I don't think so, and further, experience informs us that all will be less liberal in power than they claim to be in opposition.
https://www.moreincommon.org.uk/seven-segments/
"Established Liberals" seems a slightly misleading name for a group only one in five of whom vote LibDem.
But it clearly captures something:
This doesn't surprise me, while Labour's vote is down across 6 of our 7 segments, Established Liberals - the most comfortable, optimistic, internationalist group - are an exception. Among ELs Labour's vote hasn't dropped at all and they likely dominate audiences places like Hay
https://x.com/LukeTryl/status/2060414799675003116
Re: Rupert Lowe isn’t very good at expectations management – politicalbetting.com
Progressive is like 'liberal', 'left' and 'right'. Without elucidation one can have no idea what it means. For example you may think that progress involves equality of opportunity. Others may think it also involves equality of outcome. I think I am progressive. The first is great, and a top aspiration, the second is disastrous IMO.The idea the hard left, Corbynite, Greens are progressive is an interesting one.'Allies of Andy Burnham will form a new "council" of cross-party figures to discuss working together to stop a Reform UK government.Lol, try keeping that coalition together.I see the BMG polling suggests my gut instinct on Burnham not being able to save the tarnished Labour brand...On the BMG poll Reform would win most seats but Burnham could be PM with LD, SNP, PC and Green and MIN support and the BMG poll is the worst hypthetical poll for him,MiC and Deltapoll both have Labour winning most seats with Burnham their leader
That said, interesting to hear from someone on the spot that Burnham being a 'carpetbagger' might not help.....
The "council for the progressive majority" is being instigated by Compass, a centre-left thinktank whose founder Neal Lawson is an influential supporter of the Greater Manchester mayor.
The council will be comprised of two leading figures from each of the progressive parties in the UK - Labour, the Liberal Democrats, the Greens, the SNP and Plaid Cymru.
Voters from these parties make up what Compass calls the "progressive majority" over the Conservatives and Reform and its previous incarnations.'
https://news.sky.com/story/burnham-allies-plan-cross-party-council-to-stop-a-reform-uk-government-13549122
