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Re: How not to a-tractor floating voters – politicalbetting.com
To someone who has nothing trying to get by, prioritising talking about people with over a million quid in assets or access to private education might seem a teensy wheensy bit elitist.Tories and the right wing need to be careful. They seem to be in a bubble of rage. They remind me of the Harris campaign.That you think hill farmers an "elite" is quite telling.
They are in danger of shoring up theirbaseelites
Somebody is in a bubble, but....
And yes we are all in bubbles these days, Every single one of us.
Jonathan
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Re: How not to a-tractor floating voters – politicalbetting.com
That’s protest, not opposition.Given that the Tories didn't originate this policy, I don't think it's particularly 'policy on the hoof' to say that they oppose it and will reverse it.Only if we get five years of policy in the hoof from her.Are we really about to get five years of daily hating on Kemi?TSE still on his anti-farmer crusade I see...I am not anti-farmer and it is fake news to say otherwise.
I wasn't going to miss an opportunity to use this line
The most dangerous place to stand in Westminster is the space between Kemi Badenoch and a passing bandwagon.
It's part of opposition politics to jump on bandwagons and be good at it. This was a good one because it was aligned with Tory instincts and policies.
Opposition is about offering an alternative. Accepting and supporting the government investment , but none of the means to pay for it is not an alternative.
Jonathan
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Re: How not to a-tractor floating voters – politicalbetting.com
I guess it depends on how both issues play out I.e what the farmers do next, and if the “expected” surge of additional private school pupils into the state sector happens.
The farmer thing (and NI employers hike) has just re-affirmed to me that Reeves is useless, so the Tories are just exploiting that (as they should). We need billions more to fund our wonderful NHS after all.
The farmer thing (and NI employers hike) has just re-affirmed to me that Reeves is useless, so the Tories are just exploiting that (as they should). We need billions more to fund our wonderful NHS after all.
Re: How not to a-tractor floating voters – politicalbetting.com
No. IHT is a hugely resented tax, as it is, and the public will side with the farmers, not the government.
It seems perverse to argue that the Conservatives would benefit from backing this change.
It seems perverse to argue that the Conservatives would benefit from backing this change.
Sean_F
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Re: How not to a-tractor floating voters – politicalbetting.com
Don't agree with the premise of the header. The principal purpose of the Opposition is to oppose. If you can highlight an issue by jumping on a bandwagon climb right aboard. There is plenty of time to produce a coherent notion of an alternative but there is no need to start making difficult choices right now.
DavidL
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Re: How not to a-tractor floating voters – politicalbetting.com
There is an obvious difference between a £3m farm and a £3m private house. The former produces food/drink that the country needs, the latter is private property.“The former produces food/drink that the country needs, the latter is private property.” The country does also need houses.
Plenty of houses can be worth £3m in the sarfeast without being a mansion - its a crazy market. Tax is due, it's probably being sold, sentimental value perhaps but its just a house and the person inheriting almost certainly already owns at least one other.
The farm? Selling up removes the business (unless there are large liquid assets which can go to pay the bill. Selling up realistically means small farms being bought by bigger farms, which changes the farming industry into something that isn't optimal for producing food/drink products which the country needs.
Comparing one to the other is a bit daft...
“the person inheriting almost certainly already owns at least one other” Often they do, but not almost certainly.
“Selling up removes the business (unless there are large liquid assets which can go to pay the bill.” The tax is only on the value above the threshold, so the bill isn’t necessarily so much that selling up would be required. You don’t need liquid assets. If you own land worth that much, you can get a mortgage.
“Selling up realistically means small farms being bought by bigger farms” Small farms won’t be paying taxes. Only ~30% of farms will and they will be the bigger farms. This creates an economic incentive in favour of splitting bigger farms into smaller farms.
“which changes the farming industry into something that isn't optimal for producing food/drink products which the country needs.” What’s you evidence here? Big farms can be more efficient if your aim is to maximise food production.
Re: How not to a-tractor floating voters – politicalbetting.com
I disagree. First of all, she needs to shore up the base. And, by the way, it's worth noting that the Lib Dems are also opposing both tax raids.
tlg86
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Re: How not to a-tractor floating voters – politicalbetting.com
The bigger question is why are the government wasting so much political capital on raising such small amounts of money?
It comes across as ideological rather than properly thought through, with plenty of unintended consequences to come.
No, the Tories aren’t going to run only on reversing these two changes at the next election, but they’re a damn good starting point.
It comes across as ideological rather than properly thought through, with plenty of unintended consequences to come.
No, the Tories aren’t going to run only on reversing these two changes at the next election, but they’re a damn good starting point.
Sandpit
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Re: How not to a-tractor floating voters – politicalbetting.com
Given the amount of people this budget has pissed off, being Assistent Complaints Manager suddenly seems like good prior experience for the Chancellor.
Meanwhile, welcome back Stagflation.
Meanwhile, welcome back Stagflation.
maaarsh
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Re: How not to a-tractor floating voters – politicalbetting.com
Um, no. There's nothing wrong with a Conservative pledging to reverse socialist policies. And, indeed, this is part of what they'll need to do to rebuild their coalition.
Oh, and first.
Oh, and first.
