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Re: Starmer calls peak Reform but says I fight on, I fight to win – politicalbetting.com
Off to No 10 to barricade Starmer in myself then.He's the favourite on Betfair at 1.66, so prepare yourself.I've been thinking about the new Burnham Cabinet.I don't mind that except Miliband at CoE. Please god no, stick Cooper in there or something.
He has to find room for Rayner and Streeting (and himself).
i think Reeves, Cooper and Lammy are for the chop.
The simplest and least disruptive is;
Rayner -> Deputy PM replacing Lammy (but Burnham first see below)
Miliband -> COE replacing Reeves
Streeting -> Energy replacing Miliband
Starmer -> Foreign Sec replacing Cooper.
Everyone else stays in place pro temp.
But a first step could be Burnham -> deputy PM replacing Lammy with Starmer staying in place for a few months to provide a managed handover.
This would a Blair/Brown type of relationship with an agreed timetable to minimise disruption.
The alternative is a nasty civil war with senior ministers taking sides.
I think Burnham, being a friendly accommodating chap, will seek to persuade Starmer to take the least disruptive route, and be rewarded with the role of Foreign Secretary - which I think he enjoys most and most suits him.
Check back here later to see what actually happens.
Pulpstar
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Re: Starmer calls peak Reform but says I fight on, I fight to win – politicalbetting.com
These are difficult days for youIt's interesting reading some of the reactions from the mostly male PB commentators about Aberdeen south and above all Kemi Badenoch. There is much to criticize in the Tory party but I feel that some on the left remain affronted that the Tories have another woman in charge and moreover, a black woman. I think it gets to them, as the long wait continues in the Labour party for anything remotely similar. Sure she's made errors, but she works and last night she won. Give her and the party a break!Utter made up right wing nonsense.
Her gender, race, colour is immaterial.
She's useless
Thats a political judgement nothing elss
Re: Starmer calls peak Reform but says I fight on, I fight to win – politicalbetting.com
When I encounter someone like her I find it fascinating that someone thinks in a way utterly alien to the way I think. Most on PB who I disagree with, I can at least understand why they think like they do. But for her? Nothing.Sultana: Andy B shouldn't be PM because of Gaza.Sultana shouldn't be MP. Because of Sultana
Obvs.
Re: Starmer calls peak Reform but says I fight on, I fight to win – politicalbetting.com
I've been thinking about the new Burnham Cabinet.
He has to find room for Rayner and Streeting (and himself).
i think Reeves, Cooper and Lammy are for the chop.
The simplest and least disruptive is;
Rayner -> Deputy PM replacing Lammy (but Burnham first see below)
Miliband -> COE replacing Reeves
Streeting -> Energy replacing Miliband
Starmer -> Foreign Sec replacing Cooper.
Everyone else stays in place pro temp.
But a first step could be Burnham -> deputy PM replacing Lammy with Starmer staying in place for a few months to provide a managed handover.
This would a Blair/Brown type of relationship with an agreed timetable to minimise disruption.
The alternative is a nasty civil war with senior ministers taking sides.
I think Burnham, being a friendly accommodating chap, will seek to persuade Starmer to take the least disruptive route, and be rewarded with the role of Foreign Secretary - which I think he enjoys most and most suits him.
Check back here later to see what actually happens.
He has to find room for Rayner and Streeting (and himself).
i think Reeves, Cooper and Lammy are for the chop.
The simplest and least disruptive is;
Rayner -> Deputy PM replacing Lammy (but Burnham first see below)
Miliband -> COE replacing Reeves
Streeting -> Energy replacing Miliband
Starmer -> Foreign Sec replacing Cooper.
Everyone else stays in place pro temp.
But a first step could be Burnham -> deputy PM replacing Lammy with Starmer staying in place for a few months to provide a managed handover.
This would a Blair/Brown type of relationship with an agreed timetable to minimise disruption.
The alternative is a nasty civil war with senior ministers taking sides.
I think Burnham, being a friendly accommodating chap, will seek to persuade Starmer to take the least disruptive route, and be rewarded with the role of Foreign Secretary - which I think he enjoys most and most suits him.
Check back here later to see what actually happens.
Re: Starmer calls peak Reform but says I fight on, I fight to win – politicalbetting.com
Damian at Survation flagged up this before the result.
David Aaronovitch
@DAaronovitch
My friend @PeterKellner1 is the only polling expert I read who got remotely close to the actual result in Makerfield. It was so far away from what the polling organisations were showing that there's clearly an inquest to be had
https://x.com/DAaronovitch/status/2067839683703243034
Still pissed off that I lost a nice payout by 0.2% of the vote.
https://www.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2026/06/17/why-the-polls-might-be-underestimating-burnham/
Re: Starmer calls peak Reform but says I fight on, I fight to win – politicalbetting.com
The curse of TRUSS.
https://x.com/trussliz/status/2067291184670871703
"Late on Wednesday, Liz released her latest offering. Boldly called: “Labour’s Secret Plan: Labour PANICKING as Reform surges in Makerfield By-Election.” This promised to be the inside story on Makerfield. An on-the-ground exposé of what all the major media outlets had missed."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/18/truss-the-saviour-exposes-labours-secret-plan
https://x.com/trussliz/status/2067291184670871703
"Late on Wednesday, Liz released her latest offering. Boldly called: “Labour’s Secret Plan: Labour PANICKING as Reform surges in Makerfield By-Election.” This promised to be the inside story on Makerfield. An on-the-ground exposé of what all the major media outlets had missed."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jun/18/truss-the-saviour-exposes-labours-secret-plan
Re: A great result for the King of the North and a very bad one for the SNP – politicalbetting.com
That’s actually a salient point - most of the time we frame this debate as if the uncertainty in the models only runs in one direction, and there is some evidence that scientists are deliberately tempering their language to make their findings more palatable.Do you genuinely believe that we are at risk of a runaway greenhouse effect?I wonder if that’s what the people on Venus said before the runaway greenhouse kicked off.The planet will be fine. Global temps have varied hugely over the millions of years. A bigger concern is the habitats of the species that live here and our own ability to survive. Some greens would rather we didn't, but then I think the world would be a poorer place with no-one to appreciate its beauty.There is 25 billion of tax income from Kemi's policy which we are not receiving due to dogma, whilst at the same time Norway extracts the oil and gas and tax from it's fields around oursNobody will bring Aberdeen's glory days back. Geology prevents it even if saving the planet isn't your thing. But it's an emotional thing. People who made a good living out of the oil boom no longer do. Kemi Badenoch is playing the unlikely role of Arthur Scargill in his opposition to an unfeeling Margaret Thatcher towards the miners.I doubt SNP will lose a lot of sleep over Aberdeen South. Arbroath and Broughty Ferry is a more typical constituency for them and they won it easily.Indeed, there's a risk of taking the wrong lesson from a good result, as happened after Uxbridge.
Everyone, including Starmer and Burnham, concluded that bring the drivers' friend was the way to go, ignoring the detail that Zone 6 is an unusual bit of London. Chasing that vote was one of the signs of Sunak going mad.
Potentially, it's the same here, except eking out oil and gas for a bit longer. Obviously plays well in Aberdeen, not sure about nationwide.
It is not either or but both, maximise tax from extracting oil and gas and continue the transition to net zero
North sea oil and gas exploration will be very much on Burnham's agenda and significantly Wes Streeting is on the same page as Kemi
And fuck the planet.
The sooner we end all use of fossil fuels the better, but what is stupid is not using our own resources in order to polish our halo while using them from elsewhere.
So yes, there probably is a risk, at least as large that the fuss we are making about climate change is overblown.
Eabhal
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Re: Starmer calls peak Reform but says I fight on, I fight to win – politicalbetting.com
I'd say she's doing a pretty good job.Therein lies Kemi's problem. How to generalise the energy issue so it hits beyond Aberdeen, and does not haveI think you'll find we're all very much affected by the loony tunes energy strategy. They are just at the particularly sharp end.How does Aaron explain Aberdeen South?Oil & Gas.
Not many constituencies in England & Wales are quite so directly impacted.StarmerBurnham retorting that it was actually the last Tory government wot done it.
Re: Starmer calls peak Reform but says I fight on, I fight to win – politicalbetting.com
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I hope all the Kemi Badenoch doubters on here have just watched her speaking live in Aberdeen South and absolutely nailing it when it comes to what matters. And most importantly she again was making the clear point that while all of the focus has been on one mans future job in the Makerfield by-election the campaign run in Aberdeen South by the Conservatives was all about focussing on thousands of jobs in the North East of Scotland.Have we heard from Foxy 'easy SNP hold' today? *innocent face*
Re: Starmer calls peak Reform but says I fight on, I fight to win – politicalbetting.com
The lesson for this for the Tories is to make a clear claim to be the party of business. The oil and gas policy is all well and good but it needs to extend to more areas of the economy. Their EU-obsessed period detracted from that platform.
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