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Truss was a disaster for the conservatives and like Dorries yesterday, I would be delighted if she joined Reform

The Tory problem is not that their nutcases are joining Reform, it's that they are taking their voters with them.

I am a quietly contented conservative waiting and watching with interest the way this pans out

I say no to Reform and Labour, so stay loyal apart from the next GE when I am likely to vote tactically for Plaid to keep labour out

Surely the Tories are equally placed in your constituency as challenger to Labour?
And at Senedd level in that pair under PR the Tories need to stay ahead of Labour to both guarantee their seat of the 6 and ensure Labour dont get a second seat (which is unlikely anyway). If thats what the primary concern is i mean.
Not that id dream of telling you hiw to vote, i just dint quite get how a tactical Plaid vote helps you

I will vote conservative in the Senedd election next year but the present trajectory is not good and Plaid do have a chance of beating labour as does Reform but I will not vote Reform

I think at Senedd youll end up either 2xPC 2xRef 1xLab 1xCon or 3xPC 1 each the other 3 out of interest
Next GE is a long march away so good luck when it comes with the right pick!

FPT to Turbotubbs.....

If I was the suspicious type I might have thought Starmer himself was the lawyer who gave Ange the advice! This has worked out perfectly for him. He's got a shiny new team none of whom eat peas with their knife. From a government POV this couldn't have worked out better. Angie was never up to the job and despite protestations Starmer's much more comfortable without that particular loose cannon swinging around Downing Street.....

....No the story is about Ange herself and the snobbery that brought her down. The Telegraph and Mail have been campaigning against her for months. Pure snobbery. Someone on here yesterday called her 'Gobby'. I'm afraid that's what females from her background who are climbing the ladder are having to put up with.It is so depressing.... Just another scalp for some double barrelled nobody at the Telegraph

If Labour and its supporters tell themselves that "snobbery that brought her down" then they're screwed. Rayner did something minorly wrong, but for a value that is eye-watering for many voters. She denied wrongdoing, and then tried to blame others. She was in denial. All MPs (of all parties, not just Labour) need to learn lessons from this. Many are too thick, or greedy, or self-important, to do so.

The government's media management, and management of its MPs, is awful. They need to fix this. They need to develop a few simple messages and deliver them effectively. Since Starmer is incapable of the messaging, they need someone else. Lammy isn't it.

Gosh, the anger against her among people doing their shopping and having a gossip when I was out this morning was palpable.

And actually in my view somewhat OTT. However, the irony is that she made a career surfing such anger to achieve a high profile, only to fall victim to it herself.

First unlike Rayner

Second like Rayners second coming. She will be back...

The problem labour face now is the election of the next deputy leader with Corbynites eyeing the position

Labour are facing the prospect of a very divisive time within their ranks

Corbyn is no longer in Labour, haven't you noticed?

I don't know who will win the Deputy Leader race, but don't expect the contest to be divisive.

Nominees need 20% of the MPs to support their nominations, so it will be a small field and unlikely to have only a small faction behind them. Likely to be female too. Nandy a possibility as she came close last time.

Rosena Allin-Khan wants to stand, apparently. I imagine she will be the sole candidate of the left if she does.

A good choice. She is a good media performer and moderate left.

I was thinking someone from further north. Phillipson another possibility, or the return of Haigh.

The phone in candidate?

Yes, she was one of the more dynamic and best performing of Starmers first cabinet.

FPT to Turbotubbs.....

If I was the suspicious type I might have thought Starmer himself was the lawyer who gave Ange the advice! This has worked out perfectly for him. He's got a shiny new team none of whom eat peas with their knife. From a government POV this couldn't have worked out better. Angie was never up to the job and despite protestations Starmer's much more comfortable without that particular loose cannon swinging around Downing Street.....

....No the story is about Ange herself and the snobbery that brought her down. The Telegraph and Mail have been campaigning against her for months. Pure snobbery. Someone on here yesterday called her 'Gobby'. I'm afraid that's what females from her background who are climbing the ladder are having to put up with.It is so depressing.... Just another scalp for some double barrelled nobody at the Telegraph

If Labour and its supporters tell themselves that "snobbery that brought her down" then they're screwed. Rayner did something minorly wrong, but for a value that is eye-watering for many voters. She denied wrongdoing, and then tried to blame others. She was in denial. All MPs (of all parties, not just Labour) need to learn lessons from this. Many are too thick, or greedy, or self-important, to do so.

The government's media management, and management of its MPs, is awful. They need to fix this. They need to develop a few simple messages and deliver them effectively. Since Starmer is incapable of the messaging, they need someone else. Lammy isn't it.

First unlike Rayner

Second like Rayners second coming. She will be back...

The problem labour face now is the election of the next deputy leader with Corbynites eyeing the position

Labour are facing the prospect of a very divisive time within their ranks

Corbyn is no longer in Labour, haven't you noticed?

I don't know who will win the Deputy Leader race, but don't expect the contest to be divisive.

Nominees need 20% of the MPs to support their nominations, so it will be a small field and unlikely to have only a small faction behind them. Likely to be female too. Nandy a possibility as she came close last time.

FPT to Turbotubbs.....

If I was the suspicious type I might have thought Starmer himself was the lawyer who gave Ange the advice! This has worked out perfectly for him. He's got a shiny new team none of whom eat peas with their knife. From a government POV this couldn't have worked out better. Angie was never up to the job and despite protestations Starmer's much more comfortable without that particular loose cannon swinging around Downing Street.....

....No the story is about Ange herself and the snobbery that brought her down. The Telegraph and Mail have been campaigning against her for months. Pure snobbery. Someone on here yesterday called her 'Gobby'. I'm afraid that's what females from her background who are climbing the ladder are having to put up with.It is so depressing.... Just another scalp for some double barrelled nobody at the Telegraph

She got no legal advice, that was the whole problem, despite being told twice by the conveyancer to do so.

As for who was leaking and to whom. Actually if you follow the timeline, it was spread around a bit, somebody tipped of the Sun / Mail about her house purchase, then the Telegraph about the tax, then the Guardian about the lawyers / conveyancer she has used over the past few years for the trust, her Ashton house sale and the purchase of the house in Hove.

Very few people will have known all these pieces of the jigsaw. But kept laying out the breadcrumbs for the media to follow so they couldn't miss.