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every time there's political violence discourse i think about how jo cox was assassinated in broad daylight by a fascist who shouted "britain first" as he shot her, and now nine years later her party is dedicating every moment in power to placating the ideology of her murderer

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One of the saddest things in modern UK politics is the way Jo Cox has been elevated, whilst David Amess has been relatively forgotten. Both murdered by political/religious extremists.

People pick whichever one matches their prejudices, and elevate that while minimizing the other.

I try to remember both, and also Gow. I could go back further, but they're really beyond my political time.

You’re of a similar age to me and in our lifetimes six MPs have been murdered, one by a far right extremist, one by a Muslim terrorist, and four by Christian terrorists.

I’d add Cllr Andrew Pennington who was murdered trying to stop a mentally ill murdering an MP.

Since when were the IRA Christian terrorists?

They said their objectives was to free Catholics who were being persecuted.

Their main objective was to 'free' Northern Ireland and Ulster from British rule and create a United Ireland ie nationalism not religion, they also targeted Northern Irish and British Protestants who are and were as Christian as Catholics

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every time there's political violence discourse i think about how jo cox was assassinated in broad daylight by a fascist who shouted "britain first" as he shot her, and now nine years later her party is dedicating every moment in power to placating the ideology of her murderer

https://bsky.app/profile/headfallsoff.com/post/3lyjfuonko223

One of the saddest things in modern UK politics is the way Jo Cox has been elevated, whilst David Amess has been relatively forgotten. Both murdered by political/religious extremists.

People pick whichever one matches their prejudices, and elevate that while minimizing the other.

I try to remember both, and also Gow. I could go back further, but they're really beyond my political time.

You’re of a similar age to me and in our lifetimes six MPs have been murdered, one by a far right extremist, one by a Muslim terrorist, and four by Christian terrorists.

I’d add Cllr Andrew Pennington who was murdered trying to stop a mentally ill murdering an MP.

Since when were the IRA Christian terrorists?

They said their objectives to free Catholics who were being persecuted.

Surely they were Republican terrorists. I mean it's in the name.

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every time there's political violence discourse i think about how jo cox was assassinated in broad daylight by a fascist who shouted "britain first" as he shot her, and now nine years later her party is dedicating every moment in power to placating the ideology of her murderer

https://bsky.app/profile/headfallsoff.com/post/3lyjfuonko223

One of the saddest things in modern UK politics is the way Jo Cox has been elevated, whilst David Amess has been relatively forgotten. Both murdered by political/religious extremists.

People pick whichever one matches their prejudices, and elevate that while minimizing the other.

I try to remember both, and also Gow. I could go back further, but they're really beyond my political time.

Airey Neave.

Mandelson, over the last few months, seems to have had an almost supernaturally good effect on the behaviour of Trump towards the UK - the praise Starmer has got relative to other leaders has seemed sometimes like witchcraft.

So, I join the likes of Isam in wondering whether Mandelson's appointment was not made despite his relationship with Epstein in common with Trump, but partly because of it.

That Trump did a double take when he turned up and was unsure whether to be more wary of "Putin's pee tape" or "Petey from the Pedo Ponderosa*"

Hopefully, whatever the UK knows, they still know, now any clever ruse in appointing Mandelson has come apart.

Starmer may still get the "what he knew when" heat that so dogged Johnson, but now Mandy is gone, I can't see it being terminal this time out.


*suggesting only any knowledge Trump might ever have had of previous Mandelson presence at an Epstein ranch / property

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every time there's political violence discourse i think about how jo cox was assassinated in broad daylight by a fascist who shouted "britain first" as he shot her, and now nine years later her party is dedicating every moment in power to placating the ideology of her murderer

https://bsky.app/profile/headfallsoff.com/post/3lyjfuonko223

One of the saddest things in modern UK politics is the way Jo Cox has been elevated, whilst David Amess has been relatively forgotten. Both murdered by political/religious extremists.

People pick whichever one matches their prejudices, and elevate that while minimizing the other.

I try to remember both, and also Gow. I could go back further, but they're really beyond my political time.

You’re of a similar age to me and in our lifetimes six MPs have been murdered, one by a far right extremist, one by a Muslim terrorist, and four by Christian terrorists.

I’d add Cllr Andrew Pennington who was murdered trying to stop a mentally ill murdering an MP.

Since when were the IRA Christian terrorists?

They said their objectives was to free Catholics who were being persecuted.

Their main objective was to 'free' Northern Ireland and Ulster from British rule and create a United Ireland ie nationalism not religion, they also targeted Northern Irish and British Protestants who are and were as Christian as Catholics

Depends on your definition of 'Christian'. I've known NI Protestants who objected to the description of Roman Catholics as Christian. And Catholics who've argued the same about Evangelical Protestants.
To be fair, not recently; things have moved on a lot during my lifetime.

They believe in the Trinity and Christ as Messiah, so are all Christian. They just differ on transubstantiation, the authority of the Pope and sometimes Bishops too and whether they prefer low church bible based and simple music or high church communion and choral based worship

I don't want to sound unkind, but you do seem to live a sheltered life sometimes.

Although, to be fair, as I said things have moved on somewhat over the past fifty or sixty years.

No, I just defined what a Christian is

I might humbly suggest that Christ himself would care little about the stuff you mention, and care rather more about the way we treat each other.

Absolutely

Hm. I really don't know. It's very hard to get into the heads of people who lived 2000 years ago, but I don't think it's unreasonable to say that many of them really, really cared about religion - in a nuts and bots sense - in a way we can't really relate to today. It was really important. Really, really important.
21st century humans have a habit of assuming Jesus was basically just a good bloke. And by 1st century standards he probably was. He probably did care about the way we treated each other. But 1st century people were very very different to us. Assuming any of them cared little about the theological nuts and bolts of their faith seems a stretch. Assuming one of the leading theological thinkers of the age didn't actually care that much about it seems, well, not really credible.
And to be brutally route 1 about it - and does HYUFD ever take any other approach? - yes, technically, he has defined what a Christian is. Being a Christian isn't about what we euphemistically term as 'Christian' - in the sense of caring a bit about other people - it's about believing in the Trinity. People of other religions and none can do the 'caring about people' stuff as well as Christians can; what really sets Christians apart is belief in Jesus as the literal son of God who also happens to BE God (I may be missing some of the theological niceties here; I am an outsider.)

On the subject of the Holy Trinity, that means Christianity didn't exist until the Council of Nicea, and excludes a fair few groups who would generally be accepted as Christians.

Another reason why, along with Saint Paul, why Christianity is Turkish.

Technically Greek. There were no Turks in Anatolia back rhen.

The Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) has issued a warning about what it calls the "worrying trend" of students hacking their own school and college IT systems for fun or as part of dares.

It has told teachers that they are failing to understand and recognise what it calls the "insider threat" pupils pose.

It says more the majority of so-called "insider" cyber attacks and data breaches in education settings - meaning they have been carried out by someone with access to internal systems - originate with students.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c203pedz58go

But they will never work out VPNs and bypassing OSA.

If an illegal activity was committed using a VPN, the police can trace the users via a warrant to id them from the ISP and then the VPN provider

LOL...you really don't understand VPNs do you. Most paid reputable ones operate no log, RAM cache, IP mixing. Pc Plod is absolutely shit out of luck. Most of those caught doing really dodgy stuff have required a) intelligence services and b) they let something slip unrelated to VPN usage. GCHQ did have a zero day for OpenVPN, but it was closed and they won't burn something like that on some spotty teenager hacking their school.

No, some operate no log as you say not all and as you say intelligence services can be brought in to track cookies and browser fingerprints can be used as well.

And if you are accessing and running child porn sites, planning terrorist outrages and hate crimes with others then GCHQ will be brought in to find you even if your VPN provider has no logs

That is quite an escalation from spotty teenager hacks own school, which is the original conversation.

Also you have repeated showed you don't understand this VPN and anonymising yourself ok the internet, but you keep trying to make ridiculous points when somebody mentions OSA.

No, I do understand it, if you are using VPNs to commit serious crimes then VPN provider logs or not GCHQ will likely eventually catch you.

OSA was brought in primarily to stop under 10s finding porn sites and violent sites by mistake, something clearly you don't care about, not to stop spotty teens 13+ watching legal adult porn

Sorry, but you really don't understand internet tech.

Are we are back to you are Jimmy Savile.best mate stuff. It's a bad law, implemented badly.

Oh I do, you clearly have no problem with 5 to 13 year olds finding porn and violent sites when accessing the internet and it is very concerning

You are so insulting

Everyone has problems with children accessing porn and violence, but what you fail to understand, and consistently, that young children have the knowledge from their peers and siblings to override age verification entirely without their parents knowledge

In a few years time you will experience the reality yourself

The Information Commissioner's Office (ICO) has issued a warning about what it calls the "worrying trend" of students hacking their own school and college IT systems for fun or as part of dares.

It has told teachers that they are failing to understand and recognise what it calls the "insider threat" pupils pose.

It says more the majority of so-called "insider" cyber attacks and data breaches in education settings - meaning they have been carried out by someone with access to internal systems - originate with students.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c203pedz58go

But they will never work out VPNs and bypassing OSA.

If an illegal activity was committed using a VPN, the police can trace the users via a warrant to id them from the ISP and then the VPN provider

LOL...you really don't understand VPNs do you. Most paid reputable ones operate no log, RAM cache, IP mixing. Pc Plod is absolutely shit out of luck. Most of those caught doing really dodgy stuff have required a) intelligence services and b) they let something slip unrelated to VPN usage. GCHQ did have a zero day for OpenVPN, but it was closed and they won't burn something like that on some spotty teenager hacking their school.

No, some operate no log as you say not all and as you say intelligence services can be brought in to track cookies and browser fingerprints can be used as well.

And if you are accessing and running child porn sites, planning terrorist outrages and hate crimes with others then GCHQ will be brought in to find you even if your VPN provider has no logs

That is quite an escalation from spotty teenager hacks own school, which is the original conversation.

Also you have repeated showed you don't understand this VPN and anonymising yourself ok the internet, but you keep trying to make ridiculous points when somebody mentions OSA.

No, I do understand it, if you are using VPNs to commit serious crimes then VPN provider logs or not GCHQ will likely eventually catch you.

OSA was brought in primarily to stop under 10s finding porn sites and violent sites by mistake, something clearly and worryingly you don't care about, not to stop spotty teens 13+ watching legal adult porn

What - you haven't a clue

Clearly more than you it seems

I have children and grandchildren and a son who is head of IT at a local school to call on

Your last paragraph could only be written by someone who has no practical knowledge of children's interaction with the Internet

I suggested upthread, Mr G, that he lives a sheltered, perhaps unworldly, life.