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Are international institutions breaking down?

COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c8jykpdgr08t

If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.

Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.

Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"

Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.

Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.

It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺

(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)

I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).

Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?

@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won

I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow

I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.

At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.

Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him

Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?

Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.

You really are absurd sometimes.

Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.

Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote

There were not thousands of people jailed for Tweets.

Nor hundreds. Nor, I suspect, 10s. I'd guess between 5 and 10.

I normally give HYUFD the benefit of the doubt, but to say "large numbers of them (the white working class) were jailed for tweets", as he did, is talking out of his preposterous backside.

Rubbish, more and more are and we have not even reached half the arrests or anywhere near at court yet

Find me a source: number of people jailed for tweets = ? Bet you can't make it add up to more than 20.

I think it would be a bollock-nase sauce.

Are international institutions breaking down?

COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c8jykpdgr08t

If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.

Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.

Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"

Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.

Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.

It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺

(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)

I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).

Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?

@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won

I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow

I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.

At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.

Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him

Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?

Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.

You really are absurd sometimes.

Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.

Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote

There were not thousands of people jailed for Tweets.

Nor hundreds. Nor, I suspect, 10s. I'd guess between 5 and 10.

I normally give HYUFD the benefit of the doubt, but to say "large numbers of them (the white working class) were jailed for tweets", as he did, is talking out of his preposterous backside.

Despite AEP apparently agreeing I still think no deal at the COP is a good outcome. It would bring an element of realism back to these discussions and, frankly, we don't have the money. I am worried that the likes of Ed Miliband and Starmer will feel the need to try and push this over the line with our money. The money we don't have for the NHS, the provision of care services, for education, for defence and to restrict the rate at which our ever growing debts increase. Enough.

Climate change, like war, is an existential threat to our country. It makes no sense to treat the threat from climate change any differently to the threat from hostile nations.

The way people like you go on is as if we are not doing anything and never have done.

Nothing will ever be enough for you and your ilk.

It started of small. Now these nations are demanding $1 trillion a year, what next $10 trillion a year. $100 trillion a year just for nations who just say the need it and charities and NGOs that will ‘administer it’. Where is the corporate oversight and how do we know this is value for money.

As for the money

Where does it come from ?

Interest rates are not heading south anytime soon in decent numbers and US inflation is back on the increase now. Govts have large debts they need to service and economies they need to function.

Are international institutions breaking down?

COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c8jykpdgr08t

If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.

Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.

Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"

Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.

Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.

It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺

(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)

Actually, to further the debate, and to reward you for doing your earnest if not impressive best, you do have half a point

There really is room for a new Left Populism, and it will come. But I doubt you will like it. Because, to prosper, it will have to be really rightwing on migration and asylum, that's the only way it will work

Once it has made that compromise with the voters, there is room for a New Left to be radical on taxes, state ownership, and all the other stuff you like. It could win. See the success of this new German left party

"The Sahra Wagenknecht Alliance – Reason and Justice (German: Bündnis Sahra Wagenknecht – Vernunft und Gerechtigkeit [beː.ɛsˈveː], BSW) is a political party in Germany founded on 8 January 2024. It has been described as left-wing populist, left-wing nationalist, socialist, culturally conservative, socially conservative and Eurosceptic"

A German party which is both nationalist AND socialist. What could go wrong?

Are international institutions breaking down?

COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c8jykpdgr08t

If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.

Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.

Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"

Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.

Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.

It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺

(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)

lol

Are international institutions breaking down?

COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c8jykpdgr08t

If they are, and I fear they may well be, then our descendants are basically fucked. The high point of international cooperation has been and gone, and the future is one of nationalist insanity and environmental destruction.

Darwin got it all wrong. We're regressing.

Evolution is not teleological. Darwin never said it always means "progress or improvement"

Yes, things can zig zag. I know that.

Anyway, as I now keep saying to all and sundry, Left Populism is coming. A radical economic offer for the struggling classes without the tacky xenophobic nostalgia that defines the right wing version.

It won't get funded by billionaires (for obvious reasons) but that won't matter once it gets rolling. I'm in. ✊️🕺

(please refrain from the very tedious "lol" if you choose to reply, which you shouldn't feel you have to)

I have seen you suggest this a couple of times and I don't really get it. Left populism would be an utter disaster for all of us (see Venezuela for an obvious example).

Populism is the enemy of progress, both of the left and right variety, and I think of you as a progressive. What's going on?

@kinabalu is in despair that Starmer's Labour are so obviously shite. And that Trump has won

I can sympathise, it's a nasty double blow

I even think Labour would be doing slightly better with Rayner as leader now than Starmer, at least she has a modicum of charisma unlike him and can empathise.

At the moment Starmer and Reeves are despised by the white working class who are increasingly voting Reform, especially after large numbers of them were jailed for their tweets. The middle class private sector workers who are voting Tory or LD, farmers and small businesspeople who are voting Tory and Reform over Labour's tax rises hate him now too and pensioners who are voting Tory still absolutely loathe Sir Keir after he cut their WFA.

Even the public sector, student and non white vote is only largely still voting Labour out of tribal loyalty (with some leakage of the former to the Greens), not because they really like Starmer, most of them even preferred Jezza to him

Large numbers of WWC were jailed for Tweets were they?

Really, how large a number. Hundreds of thousands? Millions.

You really are absurd sometimes.

Yes as a percentage most of those jailed, which was well into the thousands, were white working class.

Hence Reform is eating further into the white working class ex Labour vote

There were not thousands of people jailed for Tweets.

Nor hundreds. Nor, I suspect, 10s. I'd guess between 5 and 10.

I normally give HYUFD the benefit of the doubt, but to say "large numbers of them (the white working class) were jailed for tweets", as he did, is talking out of his preposterous backside.

Rubbish, more and more are and we have not even reached half the arrests or anywhere near at court yet

Find me a source: number of people jailed for tweets = ? Bet you can't make it add up to more than 20.

Are international institutions breaking down?

COP29, which started badly with plenty of no shows, is now on the verge of a complete breakdown, and that's on top of the Commonwealth hustle and FUBAR last month:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c8jykpdgr08t

They are back in the room and talking it seems. Pity. These used to be about targets and putting in place policies. Now, like the commonwealth meeting, it is just one big shakedown for cash from wealthy nations.

Grandstanding politicians have been happy to spunk our money away with no mandate must to feel good and get nice comments on social media.

Charities and NGOs pushing for it as they get a fair chunk of this money to manage,

These fuckers are after $1 trillion a year. Jog on. It won’t stop there. It never does.

Paying poorer countries to keep their emissions in check makes good sense so long as the money is strictly dependent on agreed emissions targets being reached.

Paying them isn't really what's being proposed.
The money includes investment; there's a pretty good economic case, for example, for Europe to invest in N African solar. Some if which energy can be exported into Europe.

Climate money in the form of renewable generation capacity would likely be a far more effective use of our money than quite a lot of what we spend on foreign aid - both for us and the recipients.

Despite AEP apparently agreeing I still think no deal at the COP is a good outcome. It would bring an element of realism back to these discussions and, frankly, we don't have the money. I am worried that the likes of Ed Miliband and Starmer will feel the need to try and push this over the line with our money. The money we don't have for the NHS, the provision of care services, for education, for defence and to restrict the rate at which our ever growing debts increase. Enough.

Climate change, like war, is an existential threat to our country. It makes no sense to treat the threat from climate change any differently to the threat from hostile nations.

You need to keep up with the zeitgeist. Net zero is expensive rubbish. COP is an expensive waste of time. Green is garbage. Cars, coal, oil and gas are great. Climate change is just an excuse by the metropolitan leftie elite to make us all poorer.

It does feel like we're going backwards from what was a pretty broad consensus just a few years ago, and the election of Trump will not help. Frightening.

Despite AEP apparently agreeing I still think no deal at the COP is a good outcome. It would bring an element of realism back to these discussions and, frankly, we don't have the money. I am worried that the likes of Ed Miliband and Starmer will feel the need to try and push this over the line with our money. The money we don't have for the NHS, the provision of care services, for education, for defence and to restrict the rate at which our ever growing debts increase. Enough.

Climate change, like war, is an existential threat to our country. It makes no sense to treat the threat from climate change any differently to the threat from hostile nations.

You need to keep up with the zeitgeist. Net zero is expensive rubbish. COP is an expensive waste of time. Green is garbage. Cars, coal, oil and gas are great. Climate change is just an excuse by the metropolitan leftie elite to make us all poorer.

It does feel like we're going backwards from what was a pretty broad consensus just a few years ago, and the election of Trump will not help. Frightening.

Trump's cabinet picks alone are pumping out enough hot air to rapidly increase global warming.