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Good luck to the new Party.

I am sticking with Greens to vote for Zak Polanski for now

Corbyn got 12,877,000 votes at GE 2017

Votes for 16 and 17 year olds will also be natural ground for him.

Plenty of time to decide which of the 2 left of centre parties to support for me.

Red Tories are finished when the purples and blues split the Tory vote

So you are part of the group trying to take over the Green Party and will leave if the attempt fails?

I joined in 2021 because I align with most of its policies.

I currently am expecting to stay as I am now enjoying the local meetings but if Ramsey won, wanted to group hug with the Neo Liberals AND the new parties policies were even better than the Greens I could change my mind before 2029.

If they can avoid splits I do think the to be named party could be pretty successful, depending what their aims are. It's taken the Greens decades to get to where they are, and Reform have a pedigree going back a long way as well, but in the right moment and right atmosphere they may not need to be as patient.

They have one fundamental and, I think, insuperable problem

They are as it stands a fusion of radical Islam and hard or far left Marxism. These things are ultimately in profound opposition - the fact they both loathe Jewish western Anglo American capitalism will see them through a few years - but in the end they must explode when combined. Over things like homosexual rights, feminism

This indeed is true of the entire Islamic/left nexus across the west. It’s just a matter of how long they can sustain the contradiction

Corbyn got 12,877,918 votes and 262 seats at GE 2017

TMay got 13,636,684 votes and 317 seats at GE 2017

Yes lost a comfortable majority and had to rely on the DUP to prop her up due to the biggest increase in the Lab vote since WW2.

Well pointed out Sunil

TMay got more VOTES and SEATS than Jezza!

I remember being quite frustrated with Caroline Lucas, I think after the 2015 election, talking mere days afterwards about how the will of the people was against the Tories.

Now, being charitable I assume she takes issue with the lack of a proportional voting system, and I do too for that matter (though may disagree on some details), but even if one hates our voting system and think governments lacked majority support, it is surely the case that we have to admit that the Tories were the most popular political party in the country (UK wide at least) from at least 2010 until about 2022-23. I feel like that gets weirdly overlooked.

Remarkably Theresa May and the Tories were leading in the polls in the first quarter of 2019 even though the Prime Minister was repeatedly unable to pass her biggest policy and was essentially incapable of governing! It wasn't until the second quarter that both Labour and Tories dropped hard and Boris revived things in the Summer.

Corbyn got 12,877,918 votes and 262 seats at GE 2017

TMay got 13,636,684 votes and 317 seats at GE 2017

Yes lost a comfortable majority and had to rely on the DUP to prop her up due to the biggest increase in the Lab vote since WW2.

Well pointed out Sunil

I really cannot believe people are still arguing alternative realities about 2017 as some kind of copium. Multiple things are true about it.

Yes, she lost a majority and needed propping up, and yes Corbyn increased the vote and gained seats very impressively. She still got more votes and thus was more popular than Jeremy Corbyn.

Theresa May was more popular with the people than Jeremy Corbyn. The voice of the people preferred Theresa May to Jeremy Corbyn.

His achievement in vote share increase and total votes received should not be ignored. But he still lost. People can celebrate the former without acting as though the latter did not happen, so why do they act as though the former, in isolation, cancels out the latter?

And if people don't intend to come across that way, why get orgasms over how many votes he got when bloody Theresa May got more? Are you suggesting that the Tories should forevermore try to follow the example of Theresa May because she got equivalent vote shares to Thatcher in the 80s? (42.3 to 42.4, 42.2, out of interest)? You'd laugh in their faces if they argued that. Why is rise in share the only factor that matters?

The whole argument is a classic case of 'the argument wouldn't work if applied to my opponent' logic.

I only posted the votes because there appears to be an assumption from some that Jezza has no electoral appeal whatsoever and therefore the new party launched today will do very poorly as only Crankies or Jezbollah supporters will vote for it.

IMO Jezza shouldn't be underestimated and could be a serious problem for a right wing like SKS's party that relies on left of centre voters.