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Re: As Reform continues to be a suppository (sic) for Tory MPs here's what the voters say
Not keen on Dubya either, but given him or Trump (etc) .......Why? He was comfortable in Dubya's companyTrump launching Spectre (with Tony Blair as Number Two) is just as fascinating as his Greenland push. He literally wants to rewrite the global order in his own image.I must say I thought better of Tony Blair than that he would sit on a committee with Trump, Putin and so on.
Carney's speech was top drawer. Take the sign out of the window, the old order is gone. Even if Trump drops dead later we aren't going to see MAGA pull back from this.
This is not "lets rejoin the EU" because I am certain we are now to see that evolve significantly with its relationships globally. A trade block that doesn't have Canada and the UK and Japan and South Korea in it is pointless. So yes, lets glue together the relevant pieces. Defence is no longer just military, its economic and electronic.
Re: We need to go back to having a Prime Minister born in Canada – politicalbetting.com
Farage at DavosFeck him. Actually that's all that needs to be said.
'World "more secure" if US was in Greenland'
DavidL
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Trump just slagged off British soldiers who fought and died in WW2 . And yet still he seems to have some supporters in the UK .
The so called Reform patriots can fxck right off . Treasonous scum .
The so called Reform patriots can fxck right off . Treasonous scum .
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Re: We need to go back to having a Prime Minister born in Canada – politicalbetting.com
Evening allIt's a useful prism to look at things, and make political choices. And challenges all our political parties in different ways. Essentially, he's saying we have to move at pace towards food and energy independence, and build up our militaries.
I've just read Carney's speech which is intriguing in extremis. It is, as many speeches are, long on generalities and short on specifics. Long on platitudes and slogans, short on practical solutions but he's speaking at Davos where the platitude is king.
We aren't all Canada in terms of what we can bring to the table but every "middle" country (by which presumably he excludes the USA and China) has something to offer and it's a brave attempt to redefine bi-lateal and multi-lateral relationships. It's a damning indictment of how western (and other) countries have tried to appease both America and China in recent years.
It also redefines narrow notions of sovereignty which won't go down well with many here.
Whether it comes to be seen as the 2020s equivalent of Churchill's "Iron Curtain" speech from the winter of 1946 remains to be seen but it's a challenging series of ideas for many countries and a call perhaps to evolve from the post-1945 and even post-1989 mindsets to a more flexible inter-dependency and collaboration for the mid 21st century.
That has implications for the move away from North Sea oil and gas, our approach to agriculture, building up our infrastructure and indigenous industry, and being smart about how we strengthen our military and reduce dependence on the US. It must surely also have implications for our approach to welfare spending and business taxation.
A lot to ponder.
Re: We need to go back to having a Prime Minister born in Canada – politicalbetting.com
*Bored of Peace, more like?EU suspends trade deal with US.Between this and the Board of Peace nonsense it is possible that we are seeing the first steps of Carney's call to arms being responded to. There is a definite change of tone, as we saw when Starmer called out the threat of tariffs re Greenland in, for him, pretty blunt terms.
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Re: We need to go back to having a Prime Minister born in Canada – politicalbetting.com
Yes, but I wonder to what extent it is a wake up call to those of us who have blithely assumed all our lives that the US was always there for us?Evening allIt's a useful prism to look at things, and make political choices. And challenges all our political parties in different ways. Essentially, he's saying we have to move at pace towards food and energy independence, and build up our militaries.
I've just read Carney's speech which is intriguing in extremis. It is, as many speeches are, long on generalities and short on specifics. Long on platitudes and slogans, short on practical solutions but he's speaking at Davos where the platitude is king.
We aren't all Canada in terms of what we can bring to the table but every "middle" country (by which presumably he excludes the USA and China) has something to offer and it's a brave attempt to redefine bi-lateal and multi-lateral relationships. It's a damning indictment of how western (and other) countries have tried to appease both America and China in recent years.
It also redefines narrow notions of sovereignty which won't go down well with many here.
Whether it comes to be seen as the 2020s equivalent of Churchill's "Iron Curtain" speech from the winter of 1946 remains to be seen but it's a challenging series of ideas for many countries and a call perhaps to evolve from the post-1945 and even post-1989 mindsets to a more flexible inter-dependency and collaboration for the mid 21st century.
That has implications for the move away from North Sea oil and gas, our approach to agriculture, building up our infrastructure and indigenous industry, and being smart about how we strengthen our military and reduce dependence on the US. It must surely also have implications for our approach to welfare spending and business taxation.
A lot to ponder.
Re: We need to go back to having a Prime Minister born in Canada – politicalbetting.com
Evening allThere was a paricularly striking line to the effect that those seeking greater sovereignity were likely to end up with greater subservience. That will certainly resonate with many here who have engaged so often and so passionately in sovereignity debates in a somewhat different context.
I've just read Carney's speech which is intriguing in extremis. It is, as many speeches are, long on generalities and short on specifics. Long on platitudes and slogans, short on practical solutions but he's speaking at Davos where the platitude is king.
We aren't all Canada in terms of what we can bring to the table but every "middle" country (by which presumably he excludes the USA and China) has something to offer and it's a brave attempt to redefine bi-lateal and multi-lateral relationships. It's a damning indictment of how western (and other) countries have tried to appease both America and China in recent years.
It also redefines narrow notions of sovereignty which won't go down well with many here.
Whether it comes to be seen as the 2020s equivalent of Churchill's "Iron Curtain" speech from the winter of 1946 remains to be seen but it's a challenging series of ideas for many countries and a call perhaps to evolve from the post-1945 and even post-1989 mindsets to a more flexible inter-dependency and collaboration for the mid 21st century.
Re: We need to go back to having a Prime Minister born in Canada – politicalbetting.com
Jenrick's flounce is starting to look seriously ill-timed.NEW: Westminster voting intentionSo confirmed, no bounce for Reform from Jenrick's defection and that new Focaldata is even worse for Farage than YG and MiC were with Reform actually losing 3% of their voteshare since gaining Jenrick and Rosindell.
🟣 RFM: 26% (-3)
🔴 LAB: 21% (+1)
🔵 CON: 20% (+2)
🟠 LDM: 14% (+1)
🟢 GRN: 10% (-2)
16-19 Jan, 1,585 respondents (GB)
Changes with 26-28 Nov
https://x.com/focaldatahq/status/2013974760833585283?s=46&t=CW4pL-mMpTqsJXCdjW0Z6Q
Also a far better poll for Kemi with the Tories the biggest gainers, up 2%. Good poll for Starmer as well with Labour up 1% and also just 5% behind Reform.
Good for Davey with the LDs up 1% as well and bad for Polanski with the Greens down 2%
Re: We need to go back to having a Prime Minister born in Canada – politicalbetting.com
Evening all 
I've just read Carney's speech which is intriguing in extremis. It is, as many speeches are, long on generalities and short on specifics. Long on platitudes and slogans, short on practical solutions but he's speaking at Davos where the platitude is king.
We aren't all Canada in terms of what we can bring to the table but every "middle" country (by which presumably he excludes the USA and China) has something to offer and it's a brave attempt to redefine bi-lateal and multi-lateral relationships. It's a damning indictment of how western (and other) countries have tried to appease both America and China in recent years.
It also redefines narrow notions of sovereignty which won't go down well with many here.
Whether it comes to be seen as the 2020s equivalent of Churchill's "Iron Curtain" speech from the winter of 1946 remains to be seen but it's a challenging series of ideas for many countries and a call perhaps to evolve from the post-1945 and even post-1989 mindsets to a more flexible inter-dependency and collaboration for the mid 21st century.
I've just read Carney's speech which is intriguing in extremis. It is, as many speeches are, long on generalities and short on specifics. Long on platitudes and slogans, short on practical solutions but he's speaking at Davos where the platitude is king.
We aren't all Canada in terms of what we can bring to the table but every "middle" country (by which presumably he excludes the USA and China) has something to offer and it's a brave attempt to redefine bi-lateal and multi-lateral relationships. It's a damning indictment of how western (and other) countries have tried to appease both America and China in recent years.
It also redefines narrow notions of sovereignty which won't go down well with many here.
Whether it comes to be seen as the 2020s equivalent of Churchill's "Iron Curtain" speech from the winter of 1946 remains to be seen but it's a challenging series of ideas for many countries and a call perhaps to evolve from the post-1945 and even post-1989 mindsets to a more flexible inter-dependency and collaboration for the mid 21st century.
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The Mad King is talking again and it's even madder than before
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