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Re: First Canada, then Australia, now Denmark? – politicalbetting.com
Jenrick dishonest? Surely not?Could be. Jenrick is being a bit dishonest if that's the case.The person interacting with Jenrick in these text messages doesn’t seem cut out for politics.Aren't the lines before Jenrick responds quotes/feedback from MPs that Harris is relaying?
https://x.com/robertjenrick/status/2014708819025133930
Re: First Canada, then Australia, now Denmark? – politicalbetting.com
Reading @Leon's comment earlier about Lee Kuan Yew reminded me of the book I'm just finising: Barbara Tuchman's incredible Stilwell and the American Experience in China, 1911–45.
Chang Kai Shek was a terrible leader. I mean truly awful. Under his Nationalist government, China took massive amounts American aid and managed to achieve nothing good for its people.
I've not gotten to the Chinese Civil War yet (when, it should be noted, the Nationalist forces had all the modern weapons the Americans had given them), but you can see why the Communists won.
Now, you might say 'ah, Taiwan'. But Taiwan wasn't an economic success story in the 30 years post WW2 when Chang Kai Shek was in charge. Until his son - Chiang Ching-kuo took over in the mid-1970s - it was a basket case, with an economy stagnating at levels comparable to the poorest Southeast Asian states of the time.
Democracy isn't about picking the right leader. It's about being able to get rid of leaders who are shit. It's about them knowing that they face the judgement of the people every few years, and if they wish to avoid defeat (or worse), then they had need to work for the betterment of the people.
Chang Kai Shek was a terrible leader. I mean truly awful. Under his Nationalist government, China took massive amounts American aid and managed to achieve nothing good for its people.
I've not gotten to the Chinese Civil War yet (when, it should be noted, the Nationalist forces had all the modern weapons the Americans had given them), but you can see why the Communists won.
Now, you might say 'ah, Taiwan'. But Taiwan wasn't an economic success story in the 30 years post WW2 when Chang Kai Shek was in charge. Until his son - Chiang Ching-kuo took over in the mid-1970s - it was a basket case, with an economy stagnating at levels comparable to the poorest Southeast Asian states of the time.
Democracy isn't about picking the right leader. It's about being able to get rid of leaders who are shit. It's about them knowing that they face the judgement of the people every few years, and if they wish to avoid defeat (or worse), then they had need to work for the betterment of the people.
rcs1000
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Re: First Canada, then Australia, now Denmark? – politicalbetting.com
A small snafu with the Chagos deal, apparently it would violate international law.Requires violating International Law to stop violating international law....quite a catch 22.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2026/01/23/starmer-pulls-chagos-deal-following-trump-backlash/
Re: First Canada, then Australia, now Denmark? – politicalbetting.com
My sister in law’s abusive ex-husband had textbook narcissistic personality disorder. I remember watching Trump’s first TV debate with Hilary and realising how uncannily similar their behaviour was. It’s been the case ever since.I think Trump, at heart, has some serious personality disorder where he hates himself and is angry about it and therefore takes action that ensures he will be hated to justify that anger. It's possible that deep deep within himself he realises at some level he was poorly brought up and advised as a young man, which is the root source of that anger.He has Narcissistic Personality Disorder.
He really needs to stand down, and see a psychologist.
It's textbook.
That so few mention it is extraordinary.
MelonB
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Re: First Canada, then Australia, now Denmark? – politicalbetting.com
This, from Farage, is up there with Sir Keir's "It is a point of principle to respect the referendum vote" before getting elected in 2017, only to block every deal then campaign for a "People's Vote"
There is no wriggling out of it, it is as unacceptable as any other politician's double standard. A pity how a sniff of power so easily compromises a man
If Reform is a genuinely democratic force confident of popular backing, why don’t Jenrick, Kruger etc seek the consent of voters in by-elections?
Farage once saw this as a point of democratic principle. So what’s changed?
https://x.com/FraserNelson/status/2014395395015639507?s=20
There is no wriggling out of it, it is as unacceptable as any other politician's double standard. A pity how a sniff of power so easily compromises a man
If Reform is a genuinely democratic force confident of popular backing, why don’t Jenrick, Kruger etc seek the consent of voters in by-elections?
Farage once saw this as a point of democratic principle. So what’s changed?
https://x.com/FraserNelson/status/2014395395015639507?s=20
isam
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Re: First Canada, then Australia, now Denmark? – politicalbetting.com
The thing you should want Reform to be is not more right-wing but more competent.Not gushing at all. I’d prefer Reform to be significantly more right wing on all counts, but they’re the best we got and the most likely to humiliate the Tories and Labour - and that dual humiliation would certainly make me quite excitedI'd hope Farage's gushing fandom of Trump would lose him support - but unless I've missed something in the polls we await evidence of that.It gives him the gushing support of @Leon, and 15% of the electorate. It doesn't harm him with another 15%.
And then there's 65% of the electorate who really aren't big Trump fans at all.
I don't think it affects the headline polling for Reform much, but I do think it impacts the likelihood of people voting tactically against them.
Basically, I’d like a young Lee Kuan Yew to take over the UK
Re: First Canada, then Australia, now Denmark? – politicalbetting.com
In Wales I expect Plaid to be close to forming a government, but I do not expect them to do a deal with labour if the expected result does show labour near decimatedBut much smaller than the swing from Labour to Reform. Labour will suffer a bigger net loss of seats than the SNP. Who do you think will be the official opposition in Scotland and Wales in May, @HYUFD, and everyone else?In Scotland polls give a swing from SNP to Labour since 2021After May they are likely to be in a terrible position having lost Scotland and Wales and loads of council seats, let alone the potential chaos of the by election in Greater ManchesterPredictions about the politically remote future (over 3 years in this case) have to be based on beliefs and intuitions about what will happen in the future gap, and cannot possibly be based on the snap shot of today or the last few months. Yes, it is informed and thoughtful guesswork. The belief (which I share) is that there are reasons for thinking there will be a recovery for Labour. Personally I do not think I know who will lead the next government. Except that it won't be Reform. If it is led from the left of centre, it will be Labour. And it might.I really think Labour has a good chance of being re-elected.You keep repeating this but there is no evidence that labour is showing any signs of recovery either in Starmer's ratings or his government
Indeed the Burnham story will dominate throught to May, and when Scotland and Wales is a likely bloodbath
Last night labour lost 48.5% of their vote share in Flintshire, and it looks like Plaid will annihilate labour in Wales with reform underperforming
You are very much a loyal Starmerite, but I just do not see a recovery especially post May when Starmer may well have a real fight on his hands to remain the labour leader and PM
Of course 3 years is a long time but I cannot see a recovery under Starmer that would put labour back in government
Possibly govern as a minority if necessary
Re: First Canada, then Australia, now Denmark? – politicalbetting.com
In Scotland polls give a swing from SNP to Labour since 2021After May they are likely to be in a terrible position having lost Scotland and Wales and loads of council seats, let alone the potential chaos of the by election in Greater ManchesterPredictions about the politically remote future (over 3 years in this case) have to be based on beliefs and intuitions about what will happen in the future gap, and cannot possibly be based on the snap shot of today or the last few months. Yes, it is informed and thoughtful guesswork. The belief (which I share) is that there are reasons for thinking there will be a recovery for Labour. Personally I do not think I know who will lead the next government. Except that it won't be Reform. If it is led from the left of centre, it will be Labour. And it might.I really think Labour has a good chance of being re-elected.You keep repeating this but there is no evidence that labour is showing any signs of recovery either in Starmer's ratings or his government
Indeed the Burnham story will dominate throught to May, and when Scotland and Wales is a likely bloodbath
Last night labour lost 48.5% of their vote share in Flintshire, and it looks like Plaid will annihilate labour in Wales with reform underperforming
You are very much a loyal Starmerite, but I just do not see a recovery especially post May when Starmer may well have a real fight on his hands to remain the labour leader and PM
Of course 3 years is a long time but I cannot see a recovery under Starmer that would put labour back in government
HYUFD
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Re: First Canada, then Australia, now Denmark? – politicalbetting.com
Democracy is safe. It’s not like we’re banning elections…….Democracy is doomed anyway. It was a grand experiment that is now failing and will soon be consignedWhatever qualities he may have had, not really a democrat was he?Not gushing at all. I’d prefer Reform to be significantly more right wing on all counts, but they’re the best we got and the most likely to humiliate the Tories and Labour - and that dual humiliation would certainly make me quite excitedI'd hope Farage's gushing fandom of Trump would lose him support - but unless I've missed something in the polls we await evidence of that.It gives him the gushing support of @Leon, and 15% of the electorate. It doesn't harm him with another 15%.
And then there's 65% of the electorate who really aren't big Trump fans at all.
I don't think it affects the headline polling for Reform much, but I do think it impacts the likelihood of people voting tactically against them.
Basically, I’d like a young Lee Kuan Yew to take over the UK
https://spectator.com/article/are-we-too-stupid-for-democracy/
Taz
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Re: First Canada, then Australia, now Denmark? – politicalbetting.com
I don't think that is either wise or protocol.'The King is not some chess piece to be moved around'The King is not some chess piece to be moved around. I'm not even a monarchist, but as things stand he can't be treated as such.The Kings visit is impossible to justify nowTrump seems to have galvanised anger over his unacceptable comments on Afghanistan and Starmer needs to announce the cancelation of the King's visit as head of our armed forces in April as the best way to protestStarmer should do nothing of the kind. The King can decline. (Edit: If he wants to)
Enough fawning
The King is head of our armed forces and will follow government advice
We have been far too accommodating to Trump and he has gone too far on this
A stand is needed
I entirely agree that we've been too accommodating to the US. However reassure yourself - we actually have most of their family secrets in our records offices.
He was used in the first meeting with Trump with that infamous invitation for a state visit and on subsequent occasions
Of course his state visit in April can be cancelled
Foxy
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