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Re: I’m sorry I haven’t a clue about this poll – politicalbetting.com
Well of course. But I think that entirely misses the point - people don’t want these crimes to happen in the first place.No arrest ever would, whether it is this man or one of the Shankhill Butchers of the past.Ah come on. A swift arrest is not going to give this man his eyes back.And speedily dealt with by the police, with the culprit in custody.Morning allIf I may say so, your last paragraph doesn't really fit with the first one. A decapitation attempt (which you rightly describe as heinous) cannot be categorised as a slight thing.
First, we need to condemn without reservation the mob violence in Belfast last night. It's a strange world where we think two wrongs make a right and whatever happened with the attack which by the way was heinous and, if proven, the perpetrator needs to feel the full weight of the law, doesn't in any way justify or condone forcing people out of their homes and burning said properties.
We know Northern Ireland has a history of "ethnic cleansing" in this manner and it's something with which the authorities need to take control and stop.
A "long hot summer" then it seems with anyone looking at anyone else in a funny way liable to bring the mobs out on the streets for a bit of impromptu street entertainment. That's the way it is now, apparently? People get angry at the slightest thing radicalised no doubt by the misinformation and disinformation on X and elsewhere and out they come thinking somehow, well, what are they thinking?
So why the pogrom?
The question is: do we support the rule of law? Or mob violence?
“Buts he’s been arrested” is not going to cut it.
Eabhal
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Re: I’m sorry I haven’t a clue about this poll – politicalbetting.com
Exclusively white criminality for white criminals?That's true. Nevertheless the noble far-right aspiration that 100% of violent crime in Britain be committed by proper British born and bred thugs, rapists and murderers cannot be achieved without mass deportations and closing the borders.The state made Wayne Cousins a law enforcement officer, not once but twice. Bad people are bad people irrespective of ethnicity or occupation.Government policy is to put more people like the person who maimed Stephen Ogilvie or the person who murdered Rhiannon Whyte into our communities. They're not just unfortunate random incidents but the predictable consequence of choices made by the state.And speedily dealt with by the police, with the culprit in custody.Morning allIf I may say so, your last paragraph doesn't really fit with the first one. A decapitation attempt (which you rightly describe as heinous) cannot be categorised as a slight thing.
First, we need to condemn without reservation the mob violence in Belfast last night. It's a strange world where we think two wrongs make a right and whatever happened with the attack which by the way was heinous and, if proven, the perpetrator needs to feel the full weight of the law, doesn't in any way justify or condone forcing people out of their homes and burning said properties.
We know Northern Ireland has a history of "ethnic cleansing" in this manner and it's something with which the authorities need to take control and stop.
A "long hot summer" then it seems with anyone looking at anyone else in a funny way liable to bring the mobs out on the streets for a bit of impromptu street entertainment. That's the way it is now, apparently? People get angry at the slightest thing radicalised no doubt by the misinformation and disinformation on X and elsewhere and out they come thinking somehow, well, what are they thinking?
So why the pogrom?
I simply don't see criminality by white criminals as being less criminal than criminality by non white criminals. It seems obvious to me, I note quite a few on here are struggling with that notion.
Re: I’m sorry I haven’t a clue about this poll – politicalbetting.com
Yes, there was often benign deflation in the 19th century. It's mainly because of theories blaming the 1930s depression on deflation that people are now allergic to it.Voters may well want prices to come down.It’s a bit like when governments say that inflation is down, in response to cost of living concerns.In real world terms the number of immigrants in the UK is still increasing.Net immigration is fallingThe news has all been very Reform friendly over the last week. Harry Nowak, Northern Ireland (a bit late, I guess) and terrible immigration figures of net 100,000 p a if immigration is your thang.More In CommonLooks like Labour will need that Burnham bounce, assuming he wins Makerfield and becomes their leader
Reform extend their voting intention lead to 10pts this week, with Labour and the Tories tied for second place.
➡️ REF UK 30% (+1)
🌹 LAB 20% (-2)
🌳 CON 20% (-1)
🔶 LIB DEM 12% (nc)
🌍 GREEN 11% (+1)
❓OTH 3% (+1)
🟡 SNP 3% (+1)
N = 2,087 | Fieldwork 5-9/6 | Changes w/ 1/6
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyp1ekd584o
Until the number of immigrants in the UK starts to decrease (which requires negative net migration) then this will continue to be an electoral problem for any government.
In particular until the number of the 'wrong type' of immigrants starts to decrease this will continue to be an electoral problem for the government.
The electorate doesn’t want inflation to come down, they want *prices* to come down.
But they really really wouldn't want the depression that nearly (? are there any counterexamples?) always follows deflation.
The principle may have other applications.
Re: I’m sorry I haven’t a clue about this poll – politicalbetting.com
It’s a shame they can’t deport the vermin who rioted and burnt those homes !
Seems the mob wanted any excuse to rampage through the streets .
Seems the mob wanted any excuse to rampage through the streets .
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Re: I’m sorry I haven’t a clue about this poll – politicalbetting.com
Tensions in parliament.Perhaps he should just have pointed out that she is a liar. The Liberal Democrats do not support open borders.
https://x.com/SarahForRuncorn/status/2064633511156285679
This morning in Parliament, I was accosted by Lib Dem MP Angus MacDonald, who accused me and others of inciting violence. His aggressive approach and tone left me feeling threatened and shaken.
This kind of behaviour is unacceptable, especially from fellow MPs. We all have different views and should be able to disagree respectfully.
The Lib Dems support open borders, while Reform UK supports controlled immigration and putting the British people first.
That’s not inciting violence, that’s doing what’s best for the United Kingdom.
Then he could have moved on to their incitement of violence.
MattW
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Re: I’m sorry I haven’t a clue about this poll – politicalbetting.com
It’s a bit like when governments say that inflation is down, in response to cost of living concerns.In real world terms the number of immigrants in the UK is still increasing.Net immigration is fallingThe news has all been very Reform friendly over the last week. Harry Nowak, Northern Ireland (a bit late, I guess) and terrible immigration figures of net 100,000 p a if immigration is your thang.More In CommonLooks like Labour will need that Burnham bounce, assuming he wins Makerfield and becomes their leader
Reform extend their voting intention lead to 10pts this week, with Labour and the Tories tied for second place.
➡️ REF UK 30% (+1)
🌹 LAB 20% (-2)
🌳 CON 20% (-1)
🔶 LIB DEM 12% (nc)
🌍 GREEN 11% (+1)
❓OTH 3% (+1)
🟡 SNP 3% (+1)
N = 2,087 | Fieldwork 5-9/6 | Changes w/ 1/6
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyp1ekd584o
Until the number of immigrants in the UK starts to decrease (which requires negative net migration) then this will continue to be an electoral problem for any government.
In particular until the number of the 'wrong type' of immigrants starts to decrease this will continue to be an electoral problem for the government.
The electorate doesn’t want inflation to come down, they want *prices* to come down.
Sandpit
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Re: I’m sorry I haven’t a clue about this poll – politicalbetting.com
No, they would have beaten him to death on the street, while 71 Community Leaders hid in the same toilet.You think that if the Sudanese man who tried to behead the unfortunate guy in Northern Ireland hadn't been given leave to remain that a native citizen would have taken up their kitchen knife to do the deed themselves?That's true. Nevertheless the noble far-right aspiration that 100% of violent crime in Britain be committed by proper British born and bred thugs, rapists and murderers cannot be achieved without mass deportations and closing the borders.The state made Wayne Cousins a law enforcement officer, not once but twice. Bad people are bad people irrespective of ethnicity or occupation.Government policy is to put more people like the person who maimed Stephen Ogilvie or the person who murdered Rhiannon Whyte into our communities. They're not just unfortunate random incidents but the predictable consequence of choices made by the state.And speedily dealt with by the police, with the culprit in custody.Morning allIf I may say so, your last paragraph doesn't really fit with the first one. A decapitation attempt (which you rightly describe as heinous) cannot be categorised as a slight thing.
First, we need to condemn without reservation the mob violence in Belfast last night. It's a strange world where we think two wrongs make a right and whatever happened with the attack which by the way was heinous and, if proven, the perpetrator needs to feel the full weight of the law, doesn't in any way justify or condone forcing people out of their homes and burning said properties.
We know Northern Ireland has a history of "ethnic cleansing" in this manner and it's something with which the authorities need to take control and stop.
A "long hot summer" then it seems with anyone looking at anyone else in a funny way liable to bring the mobs out on the streets for a bit of impromptu street entertainment. That's the way it is now, apparently? People get angry at the slightest thing radicalised no doubt by the misinformation and disinformation on X and elsewhere and out they come thinking somehow, well, what are they thinking?
So why the pogrom?
Traditions, to be sure, to be sure.
Re: I’m sorry I haven’t a clue about this poll – politicalbetting.com
The specific problem is the kind of person coming to the UK via small boats is more likely to be violent, more likely to have a no understanding of sexual consent, and so on.You think that if the Sudanese man who tried to behead the unfortunate guy in Northern Ireland hadn't been given leave to remain that a native citizen would have taken up their kitchen knife to do the deed themselves?That's true. Nevertheless the noble far-right aspiration that 100% of violent crime in Britain be committed by proper British born and bred thugs, rapists and murderers cannot be achieved without mass deportations and closing the borders.The state made Wayne Cousins a law enforcement officer, not once but twice. Bad people are bad people irrespective of ethnicity or occupation.Government policy is to put more people like the person who maimed Stephen Ogilvie or the person who murdered Rhiannon Whyte into our communities. They're not just unfortunate random incidents but the predictable consequence of choices made by the state.And speedily dealt with by the police, with the culprit in custody.Morning allIf I may say so, your last paragraph doesn't really fit with the first one. A decapitation attempt (which you rightly describe as heinous) cannot be categorised as a slight thing.
First, we need to condemn without reservation the mob violence in Belfast last night. It's a strange world where we think two wrongs make a right and whatever happened with the attack which by the way was heinous and, if proven, the perpetrator needs to feel the full weight of the law, doesn't in any way justify or condone forcing people out of their homes and burning said properties.
We know Northern Ireland has a history of "ethnic cleansing" in this manner and it's something with which the authorities need to take control and stop.
A "long hot summer" then it seems with anyone looking at anyone else in a funny way liable to bring the mobs out on the streets for a bit of impromptu street entertainment. That's the way it is now, apparently? People get angry at the slightest thing radicalised no doubt by the misinformation and disinformation on X and elsewhere and out they come thinking somehow, well, what are they thinking?
So why the pogrom?
It’s possible to accept that all are individuals and most will be decent people, as most humans are, while also recognising that for both demographic and cultural reasons this cohort are going to be more prone to this kind of behaviour than the existing population.
Labour would do well to plainly state this (while pinning it on the Jenrick…)
Eabhal
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Re: The latest Makerfield betting – politicalbetting.com
That's not new though, Murdoch has broadcast his messages to the world through platforms he owns for decades. When has it ever been expensed?But Musk isn’t just commenting. He’s broadcasting his message to the world through the social media platform he owns. Twitter is programmed to push his thoughts at people. That’s closer to if Lord Sugar took out a paid advert.Elon Musk is retweeting Rupert Lowe again:Eh?
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2064396727344320767
Musk’s comment:
Only Restore Britain can save Britain.
It is the only way.
That’s a nakedly partisan political comment to someone with likely several million UK followers, during a restricted election period.
Will one of the other parties ask for a ruling from the Electoral Commission on what might be the value of such posts, if they need to be included in by-election spending, and ask Lowe to produce any communications he may have had with Mr Musk?
So if Lord Sugar or Tony Robinson or other celebs who've endorsed Labour in the past make naked partisan comments, does that get counted against their budget?
Many ways to criticise Musk and Restore, but celebrities making comments is neither new nor actionable surely?
Re: I’m sorry I haven’t a clue about this poll – politicalbetting.com
I don't think there is much opposition to deporting foreign-born criminals, nor of barring entry to criminals from abroad.That's true. Nevertheless the noble far-right aspiration that 100% of violent crime in Britain be committed by proper British born and bred thugs, rapists and murderers cannot be achieved without mass deportations and closing the borders.The state made Wayne Cousins a law enforcement officer, not once but twice. Bad people are bad people irrespective of ethnicity or occupation.Government policy is to put more people like the person who maimed Stephen Ogilvie or the person who murdered Rhiannon Whyte into our communities. They're not just unfortunate random incidents but the predictable consequence of choices made by the state.And speedily dealt with by the police, with the culprit in custody.Morning allIf I may say so, your last paragraph doesn't really fit with the first one. A decapitation attempt (which you rightly describe as heinous) cannot be categorised as a slight thing.
First, we need to condemn without reservation the mob violence in Belfast last night. It's a strange world where we think two wrongs make a right and whatever happened with the attack which by the way was heinous and, if proven, the perpetrator needs to feel the full weight of the law, doesn't in any way justify or condone forcing people out of their homes and burning said properties.
We know Northern Ireland has a history of "ethnic cleansing" in this manner and it's something with which the authorities need to take control and stop.
A "long hot summer" then it seems with anyone looking at anyone else in a funny way liable to bring the mobs out on the streets for a bit of impromptu street entertainment. That's the way it is now, apparently? People get angry at the slightest thing radicalised no doubt by the misinformation and disinformation on X and elsewhere and out they come thinking somehow, well, what are they thinking?
So why the pogrom?
The question always comes up when something like this happens: why was he in the country in the first place?
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