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So it’s just the BBC webpage but nothing about Timothy. Suggests it’s a rather trivial thing.

I have no issue with people having faith. I personally am an atheist. I do find aspects of the link in Islam to identity and mysogeny to be chaallenging in a western liberal context. A strongly patriarchal society does not sit easily in the world of eqquaal rights, equality and diversity etc. There is also no doubt that some Muslims do wish to see Islam take over the world. And at the moment a terrorist a attack is most likely to be inspired by a perverted creed of Islam, so people are naturally afraid.

You are more likely to get killed in the accidental spillover from a gang war than by a terrorist attack. You are much more likely to be killed by a drunk driver.

There have been 7 deaths in Great Britain from terrorist attacks since 1 Jan 2020, so about 1 a year. About 4-5 people are killed by cows each year. Don’t be afraid of terrorists, of any sort. Be afraid of cows.

There were about 20 in the Manchester Arena bomb alone.

That was in 2017 ( believe it or not).

Apologies, I misread 2020 as 2000.

Yeah, I’m checking out.

Yep. This is what the future looks like if Farage gets in.

Some of us care about this country's liberal traditions. If you don't then you may well get what you deserve.

I care about this country’s liberal traditions. Which is why I don’t want bigots in charge.

And many people see parts of Islam as bigoted, such as the treatment of women.

Some expressions of Islam, as some expressions of Judaism and Christianity, are sexist and misogynistic. Liberals have spent centuries countering religious oppression and clericalism (usually Christian) to get us where we are today in the UK. We have also worked hard to instil the principle that we don’t judge a category of people by the actions of some in that group. To do that is bigotry.

https://bylinetimes.com/2026/03/18/kemi-badenoch-defends-shadow-minister-who-called-london-muslim-celebrations-an-act-of-domination/

"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."

Well that's ok then!

Timothy must go?

If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?

Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.

There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,

Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.

Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?

My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.

A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.

That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam

That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.

Our special treatment of anti-semitism stems from the holocaust. Labour's proposed special treatment of islamaphobia stems from what? We got too grumpy and over-reacted when they blew up our tube trains?

I kinda think it shouldn’t take a genocide for us to stop being bigoted against a group.

Why might we need the government to take some sort of action around Islamophobia? Well, look at this thread and the half a dozen people being very bigoted against Muslims, making up nonsense about Muslims, declaring Islam a unique threat. Two of the commonest bigotries in our country today are anti-Semitism and Islamophobia. (Ziganophobia is up there too.)

Some British muslims blow stuff up. Some gypies living in Britain steal. What bad thing do you think some British Jews do? Do enlighten us.

What’s that got to do with the price of fish? Bigotry is not justified by the actions of a few individuals. Do you really think it’s fine for people to be bigoted against a group because a few individuals in that group have behaved poorly?

A lot of people have come to the conclusion that the downsides of Islamic immigration outweigh the good. It’s not bigoted to think that, it’s a reasonable opinion, backed by some high profile incidents. We are westerners, they are not, and the hassle of trying and failing to integrate them is not worth it.

https://bylinetimes.com/2026/03/18/kemi-badenoch-defends-shadow-minister-who-called-london-muslim-celebrations-an-act-of-domination/

"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."

Well that's ok then!

Timothy must go?

If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?

Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.

There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,

Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.

Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?

My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.

A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.

That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam

That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.

Phobia has a clinical definition

Homophobia often conceals homosexuality

It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia

Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances

Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal

Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.

We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.

Are you successfully arguing that fear of Islam isn’t Islamophobia?

Islamophobia is not a phobia. The Government is not intending to ban people from being afraid of Muslims. “Islamophobia” is the word (with a somewhat confusing etymology) that refers to bigotry towards Muslims. What part of this do you not understand?

So is fear of Islam equivalent to your definition of Islamophobia?

Can I fear Islam and still love Muslims, without falling foul of your side's latest fascist definition?

PS Please don't Starmer me again

No, fear of Islam is not a good definition of “Islamophobia”. If you actually care about what’s happening, rather than your own paranoia, you can look at the government’s working group’s document on what they mean by “Islamophobia”: https://mhclgmedia.blog.gov.uk/2025/07/07/islamophobia-working-group-definition/ What they mean, to put it simply, is anti-Muslim hatred.

The report also says: “We are absolutely committed to defending freedom of speech, and any proposed definition must be compatible with the right to freedom of speech and expression.”

Your first sentence is so 1984

Words only mean what we say they mean

Etymology must die

Yes, that is how words work.

Do you think “sarcastic” means “it tears the flesh off someone”?

Do you think “nice” means “ignorant”?

Do you think December is the tenth month of the year?

Both of the first two for sure

And December was named when there were only ten months

At this point you are just being deliberately stupid.

https://bylinetimes.com/2026/03/18/kemi-badenoch-defends-shadow-minister-who-called-london-muslim-celebrations-an-act-of-domination/

"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."

Well that's ok then!

Timothy must go?

If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?

Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.

There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,

Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.

Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?

My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.

A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.

That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam

That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.

Phobia has a clinical definition

Homophobia often conceals homosexuality

It’s an irrational fear, like the clinical definition of phobia

Xenophobia, fear literally of barbarians, but fear of foreigners, is largely irrational, but can be otherwise in some circumstances

Fear of submission is entirely irrational and should be illegal

Phobia has a clinical definition, but neither homophobia or Islamophobia are clinical diagnoses. They ain’t in the DSM.

We’ve ended up with words of a confusing etymology to mean bigotry against particular groups. Trying to interpret these words based on their etymology is about as stupid as the people who say that Palestinians can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re Semites too.

Are you successfully arguing that fear of Islam isn’t Islamophobia?

Islamophobia is not a phobia. The Government is not intending to ban people from being afraid of Muslims. “Islamophobia” is the word (with a somewhat confusing etymology) that refers to bigotry towards Muslims. What part of this do you not understand?

In case you missed the distinction; I said fear of Islam, you said fear of Muslims

Not the same thing

You appear to still be stuck reading “Islamophobia” based on its etymology, rather than on how the word is actually used. I don’t know how to help you get past this misunderstanding.

Maybe there needs to be a new word for fear of Islam, that isn’t about hatred of Muslims.

https://bylinetimes.com/2026/03/18/kemi-badenoch-defends-shadow-minister-who-called-london-muslim-celebrations-an-act-of-domination/

"When a Jewish News journalist pointed out that similarly large single sex prayer events are also held by Orthodox Jews in London, Badenoch’s representative replied that the Iftar event was “different”, without explaining how."

Well that's ok then!

Timothy must go?

If she fails to answer the question fully if put to her, she should consider her position too?

Kudos to the Jewish News journalist who skewers the hypocrisy in Nick Timothy's bleatings.

There's a notion out there Muslims are somehow given "special treatment" and other religions are ignored or disadvantaged. Certainly, in my part of the world, Hindu, Sikh, Orthodox and Christian religious events are observed,

Diwali and especially Onam (Keralan) are observed in East Ham as is the birthday of Guru Nanak when there is a Sikh parade down the High Street.

Why does nobody need to be ordered not to fear Hindus, Sikhs, Jews and Christians?

My Dad moved to the US. He worked on abortion policy. His friends, who actually did abortions, had been shot at by Christians.

A member of our local congregation survived the 1982 Hyde Park bombing by the IRA, part of a sectarian conflict between two groups of Christians.

That doesn't explain why we need to be obligated to not fear Islam

That’s just you getting hung up on etymology. “Islamophobia” has the root -phobia in it, but like homophobia, it’s not a real phobia. It’s about bigotry towards a group. Against Jews, we call it anti-Semitism; against Muslims, we call it Islamophobia.

Our special treatment of anti-semitism stems from the holocaust. Labour's proposed special treatment of islamaphobia stems from what? We got too grumpy and over-reacted when they blew up our tube trains?

I kinda think it shouldn’t take a genocide for us to stop being bigoted against a group.

Why might we need the government to take some sort of action around Islamophobia? Well, look at this thread and the half a dozen people being very bigoted against Muslims, making up nonsense about Muslims, declaring Islam a unique threat. Two of the commonest bigotries in our country today are anti-Semitism and Islamophobia. (Ziganophobia is up there too.)