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Holy Allah, Iran is hideous


Conservative estimates of 20,000 dead. Nearly all young protestors

I want Trump to nuke the mullahs. Do it

“I’m so cross that you’ve killed 20,000 of your civilians that I am going to kill 50,000 myself”.

I was being hyperbolic

Nukes aren’t quite justified yet. But Iran really is the most hideous regime on earth and it’s ending would be incredibly desirable

If Trump and his wunderweapons can take out the Iranian leadership en masse and only kill a few 100 Iranians then Fucksake do it. The mullahs are purely evil. Satanic. Islam as Nazism, with an extra hatred for women

They are one of the most hideous regimes on earth.

I would share that title with Putin's Russia, whom Trump seems to want to treat as an ally.

Plus North Korea. Who tend to get forgotten about as they rather keep repressing their own people rather than meddling with others.

Plus let us never forget Saudi Arabia and the House of Saud, whom the West have treated as allies not enemies for decades - and have been funding Islamism globally including on our streets.

Lee Anderson is on the PMQs list.

Popcorn to standby.

PM is in China

Kemi has said she wouldn't have gone herself

'Asked at an event in central London this morning whether she would travel to China if she were PM, Badenoch said: "No, not now, because I don’t think that this is the time to do that. We need to be talking to those other countries who are worried about the threat China is posing to them.”

Badenoch also repeated her criticism of the government’s decision to give the Chagos Islands to Mauritius.

Writing in the Telegraph on Tuesday, Badenoch said the decision “will weaken our strategic position in the Indian Ocean and hand Beijing even greater influence near critical British military infrastructure”.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c4gw427eenpt

They know the truth, why are they persisting with this claim? She even name checked “Indian Ocean” without any acknowledgement India’s involvement in pushing and arranging this Chagos deal.

This attack line is not without creating some problem for the Conservative Party as time passes. I don’t believe at the highest strategic levels the Conservative Party is ignorant of India’s growing Superpower influence in the region, but it’s certainly giving that impression publicly, by only talking of China influence in Indian Ocean not India’s.

And of course, in the wild outlier the Conservatives win the next election on scrapping “Labours” Chagos deal - there’s the huge India in the way glaring down at them.

The US would also be glaring at India and China as they also oppose the Chagos handover

Are you sure 🤣 the US wrote it for us to sign!

Historically, since we got into this in 1960’s, it’s been US writing the order sheet what we must do, UK owning the ethnic cleansing and everything - what’s different with this new deal, India have muscled their way into the room, in a show of their growing superpower influence in the region. When it comes to our continued involvement in Chagos and Garcia, UK now has Two Gov’nors in the room, bossing us around.

It helps Conservative Party to get publicly back on the facts before too long. But I guess that’s what changing leaders is for.

Trump has made clear the Chagos should not be handed over to Mauritius, so Modi can take it up with him

Trump put his team in there and wrote it, though performative because it was already written, so that it wouldn’t be Biden’s Great Deal, but his.

Trump is not going to stop the Chagos Deal, HY.

Let me give you a second further example, contrast the Cameron and Osborne’s governmental position to China, with Badenoch’s today. Everyone from EU to Trump has gone to and sat down with China, on free trade business terms. Even Trump, whose commitment to Free Trade and Capitalism is questionable.

Is this not a short term opportunist position of Badenoch towards China? not one of a serious party for government can sustain up, and into a General Election, and beyond?

Ditto, with posturing regards China, there is no way Badenoch’s front bench, out the public eye, does not recognise the growing Super Power influence of India throughout the Indian Ocean, and what that means to commercial and security interests of the UK. So how long can they keep something going publicly, that’s not what they believe privately?

Communist China is more of a threat to the west than India as Kemi has made clear, though Trump has imposed heavy tariffs on China and India, much more than he has imposed on the UK.

Starmer is going ahead with the Chagos handover to Mauritius regardless so it will then be up to Trump and Modi to sort out

Tacking our chat off on a tangent then - you called China communist. Is China still a communist country, in your opinion? Where you can still point to how they practice communism - as distinct to everything you would find practiced in any Nationalistic One Party State? China has more billionaires than the USA. And how they brutally allow ventures and factories to go bust, without state support, brutal on locked out workers also banned from being in a union, this seems more free market capitalist than even Hitlers Germany? Than even us in UK?

At a street level, it makes American capitalism look tame. I was really taken aback about how fierce and brutal competition is and selling is integrated into everything. My burner phone was constantly being pinged with notifications of offer offer buy now, get coffee for 5 RMB buy next 10 mins, etc. TikTok, seemed like everything you see your favourite influencer is wearing, tap, link to buy from shirt to their makeup.

But still, all land (?) is owned by the state, and c. 60% of businesses when measured by value are state-owned IIRC. The CCP very much believes in Marxism and Leninism, even if there is a sneaky pragmatism which tentatively creeps in from time to time when the economic catastrophe of communism stares them in the face too hard.

Oh there is no doubt about in certain areas the hand of the state is present and they let you know. Its an odd mix of one monent you are in a 10 level shopping maul with any items you could ever wish for the next you are being searched for the 10th time that day just to get into the metro.

I was thinking about this and i think what they have done is a bit like South Korea did, they identify stratregitic industries, then instruct who to get involved, lots of state aid, until matured. But on the flipside can turn around and ban something overnight.

And of course internet / social media heavily censored, but within that ecosystem, for the things the state doesnt care, its sell sell sell.

But. Is that distinctly “communist”?

If we compare the Cold War Warsaw pact communist states with China today, how’s that contrast?

throw in the democracy lacking Arab states in the Middle East today, the Juntas in South America also in the Cold War era, and UK. Germany and USA how we were in the 1960s and 70’s - who is actually more like who?

The dividing line through all those things, I suggest all have an “establishment”? If you were a senior civil servant in the UK, you were helped putting your children through the best schools and university’s, weren’t you?

So an establishment in real control. And corruption. The only things that unite every type of system.

What’s weights carried in an actual name they chose to call themselves?

Trump on the attack on a serving Congresswoman.

“I think she’s a fraud. I really don’t think about that,” he continued. “She probably had herself sprayed, knowing her.”

Way to lead.

He's probably right. The protester happened to have a front row seat; she seemed to nod at him before he jumped up, and she didn't seem particularly concerned about what she was sprayed with.

One of your worst ever William.

"Anthony James Kazmierczak, 55, has been charged with third-degree assault and is being held in custody, the local sheriff's office said."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn9zpee3llxo

So I expect it will come out in court how this was a false flag operation instigated by Omar.

Lee Anderson is on the PMQs list.

Popcorn to standby.

PM is in China

Kemi has said she wouldn't have gone herself

'Asked at an event in central London this morning whether she would travel to China if she were PM, Badenoch said: "No, not now, because I don’t think that this is the time to do that. We need to be talking to those other countries who are worried about the threat China is posing to them.”

Badenoch also repeated her criticism of the government’s decision to give the Chagos Islands to Mauritius.

Writing in the Telegraph on Tuesday, Badenoch said the decision “will weaken our strategic position in the Indian Ocean and hand Beijing even greater influence near critical British military infrastructure”.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c4gw427eenpt

They know the truth, why are they persisting with this claim? She even name checked “Indian Ocean” without any acknowledgement India’s involvement in pushing and arranging this Chagos deal.

This attack line is not without creating some problem for the Conservative Party as time passes. I don’t believe at the highest strategic levels the Conservative Party is ignorant of India’s growing Superpower influence in the region, but it’s certainly giving that impression publicly, by only talking of China influence in Indian Ocean not India’s.

And of course, in the wild outlier the Conservatives win the next election on scrapping “Labours” Chagos deal - there’s the huge India in the way glaring down at them.

The US would also be glaring at India and China as they also oppose the Chagos handover

Are you sure 🤣 the US wrote it for us to sign!

Historically, since we got into this in 1960’s, it’s been US writing the order sheet what we must do, UK owning the ethnic cleansing and everything - what’s different with this new deal, India have muscled their way into the room, in a show of their growing superpower influence in the region. When it comes to our continued involvement in Chagos and Garcia, UK now has Two Gov’nors in the room, bossing us around.

It helps Conservative Party to get publicly back on the facts before too long. But I guess that’s what changing leaders is for.

Trump has made clear the Chagos should not be handed over to Mauritius, so Modi can take it up with him

Trump put his team in there and wrote it, though performative because it was already written, so that it wouldn’t be Biden’s Great Deal, but his.

Trump is not going to stop the Chagos Deal, HY.

Let me give you a second further example, contrast the Cameron and Osborne’s governmental position to China, with Badenoch’s today. Everyone from EU to Trump has gone to and sat down with China, on free trade business terms. Even Trump, whose commitment to Free Trade and Capitalism is questionable.

Is this not a short term opportunist position of Badenoch towards China? not one of a serious party for government can sustain up, and into a General Election, and beyond?

Ditto, with posturing regards China, there is no way Badenoch’s front bench, out the public eye, does not recognise the growing Super Power influence of India throughout the Indian Ocean, and what that means to commercial and security interests of the UK. So how long can they keep something going publicly, that’s not what they believe privately?

Communist China is more of a threat to the west than India as Kemi has made clear, though Trump has imposed heavy tariffs on China and India, much more than he has imposed on the UK.

Starmer is going ahead with the Chagos handover to Mauritius regardless so it will then be up to Trump and Modi to sort out

Tacking our chat off on a tangent then - you called China communist. Is China still a communist country, in your opinion? Where you can still point to how they practice communism - as distinct to everything you would find practiced in any Nationalistic One Party State? China has more billionaires than the USA. And how they brutally allow ventures and factories to go bust, without state support, brutal on locked out workers also banned from being in a union, this seems more free market capitalist than even Hitlers Germany? Than even us in UK?

At a street level, it makes American capitalism look tame. I was really taken aback about how fierce and brutal competition is and selling is integrated into everything. My burner phone was constantly being pinged with notifications of offer offer buy now, get coffee for 5 RMB buy next 10 mins, etc. TikTok, seemed like everything you see your favourite influencer is wearing, tap, link to buy from shirt to their makeup.

But still, all land (?) is owned by the state, and c. 60% of businesses when measured by value are state-owned IIRC. The CCP very much believes in Marxism and Leninism, even if there is a sneaky pragmatism which tentatively creeps in from time to time when the economic catastrophe of communism stares them in the face too hard.

Oh there is no doubt about in certain areas the hand of the state is present and they let you know. Its an odd mix of one monent you are in a 10 level shopping maul with any items you could ever wish for the next you are being searched for the 10th time that day just to get into the metro.

I was thinking about this and i think what they have done is a bit like South Korea did, they identify stratregitic industries, then instruct who to get involved, lots of state aid, until matured. But on the flipside can turn around and ban something overnight.

And of course internet / social media heavily censored, but within that ecosystem, for the things the state doesnt care, its sell sell sell.

But. Is that distinctly “communist”?

If we compare the Cold War Warsaw pact communist states with China today, how’s that contrast?

throw in the democracy lacking Arab states in the Middle East today, the Juntas in South America also in the Cold War era, and UK. Germany and USA how we were in the 1960s and 70’s - who is actually more like who?

The dividing line through all those things, I suggest all have an “establishment”? If you were a senior civil servant in the UK, you were helped putting your children through the best schools and university’s, weren’t you?

So an establishment in real control. And corruption. The only things that unite every type of system.

What’s weights carried in an actual name they chose to call themselves?

It's a fair point. Gorbachev tried to modernise the Soviet Union by liberalising the politics, introducing multi-party politics and giving the non-Russian countries greater self-control. Ad they abandoned communism and the Union as soon as they could.

China noted this and did the opposite: liberalised the economy but maintained a monopoly on the political system. In China, politics is utterly divorced from the citizen but is instead the province of the Party and its internal bureaucracy. This has certain advantages, enabling very rapid development, but is chronically beset by corruption and cronyism.

Basically the Soviet Union gave up control and lost ownership, but China gave up ownership and kept control via the CCP monopoly on politics...and control is all that matters.

You might want to google "socialism with chinese characteristics" and go down the rabbit hole

Whatever it is, it's not really "Marxism".
Exploitation of the workers is full steam ahead in China.

But that's Marxism. It's a common aspect of all Marxist systems that those in charge see workers as units to be exploited to generate as much output as possible. You don't get Marxisms where the workers get to have a lovely time.

This is ludicrous. In Marxism no one can get rich because each according to his means to each according t his needs

In China you can get fabulously rich. Insanely rich. It is state directed capitalism with a fairly basic welfare state. And a fuckload of surveillance cameras

Well you can, up to the point where the state disappears you and your assets. Property rights are somewhat conditional on not upsetting the state, even if that's just by getting big enough so that the state takes a fancy to what you thought were your assets.

Lee Anderson is on the PMQs list.

Popcorn to standby.

PM is in China

Kemi has said she wouldn't have gone herself

'Asked at an event in central London this morning whether she would travel to China if she were PM, Badenoch said: "No, not now, because I don’t think that this is the time to do that. We need to be talking to those other countries who are worried about the threat China is posing to them.”

Badenoch also repeated her criticism of the government’s decision to give the Chagos Islands to Mauritius.

Writing in the Telegraph on Tuesday, Badenoch said the decision “will weaken our strategic position in the Indian Ocean and hand Beijing even greater influence near critical British military infrastructure”.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c4gw427eenpt

They know the truth, why are they persisting with this claim? She even name checked “Indian Ocean” without any acknowledgement India’s involvement in pushing and arranging this Chagos deal.

This attack line is not without creating some problem for the Conservative Party as time passes. I don’t believe at the highest strategic levels the Conservative Party is ignorant of India’s growing Superpower influence in the region, but it’s certainly giving that impression publicly, by only talking of China influence in Indian Ocean not India’s.

And of course, in the wild outlier the Conservatives win the next election on scrapping “Labours” Chagos deal - there’s the huge India in the way glaring down at them.

The US would also be glaring at India and China as they also oppose the Chagos handover

Are you sure 🤣 the US wrote it for us to sign!

Historically, since we got into this in 1960’s, it’s been US writing the order sheet what we must do, UK owning the ethnic cleansing and everything - what’s different with this new deal, India have muscled their way into the room, in a show of their growing superpower influence in the region. When it comes to our continued involvement in Chagos and Garcia, UK now has Two Gov’nors in the room, bossing us around.

It helps Conservative Party to get publicly back on the facts before too long. But I guess that’s what changing leaders is for.

Trump has made clear the Chagos should not be handed over to Mauritius, so Modi can take it up with him

Trump put his team in there and wrote it, though performative because it was already written, so that it wouldn’t be Biden’s Great Deal, but his.

Trump is not going to stop the Chagos Deal, HY.

Let me give you a second further example, contrast the Cameron and Osborne’s governmental position to China, with Badenoch’s today. Everyone from EU to Trump has gone to and sat down with China, on free trade business terms. Even Trump, whose commitment to Free Trade and Capitalism is questionable.

Is this not a short term opportunist position of Badenoch towards China? not one of a serious party for government can sustain up, and into a General Election, and beyond?

Ditto, with posturing regards China, there is no way Badenoch’s front bench, out the public eye, does not recognise the growing Super Power influence of India throughout the Indian Ocean, and what that means to commercial and security interests of the UK. So how long can they keep something going publicly, that’s not what they believe privately?

Communist China is more of a threat to the west than India as Kemi has made clear, though Trump has imposed heavy tariffs on China and India, much more than he has imposed on the UK.

Starmer is going ahead with the Chagos handover to Mauritius regardless so it will then be up to Trump and Modi to sort out

Tacking our chat off on a tangent then - you called China communist. Is China still a communist country, in your opinion? Where you can still point to how they practice communism - as distinct to everything you would find practiced in any Nationalistic One Party State? China has more billionaires than the USA. And how they brutally allow ventures and factories to go bust, without state support, brutal on locked out workers also banned from being in a union, this seems more free market capitalist than even Hitlers Germany? Than even us in UK?

At a street level, it makes American capitalism look tame. I was really taken aback about how fierce and brutal competition is and selling is integrated into everything. My burner phone was constantly being pinged with notifications of offer offer buy now, get coffee for 5 RMB buy next 10 mins, etc. TikTok, seemed like everything you see your favourite influencer is wearing, tap, link to buy from shirt to their makeup.

But still, all land (?) is owned by the state, and c. 60% of businesses when measured by value are state-owned IIRC. The CCP very much believes in Marxism and Leninism, even if there is a sneaky pragmatism which tentatively creeps in from time to time when the economic catastrophe of communism stares them in the face too hard.

Oh there is no doubt about in certain areas the hand of the state is present and they let you know. Its an odd mix of one monent you are in a 10 level shopping maul with any items you could ever wish for the next you are being searched for the 10th time that day just to get into the metro.

I was thinking about this and i think what they have done is a bit like South Korea did, they identify stratregitic industries, then instruct who to get involved, lots of state aid, until matured. But on the flipside can turn around and ban something overnight.

And of course internet / social media heavily censored, but within that ecosystem, for the things the state doesnt care, its sell sell sell.

But. Is that distinctly “communist”?

If we compare the Cold War Warsaw pact communist states with China today, how’s that contrast?

throw in the democracy lacking Arab states in the Middle East today, the Juntas in South America also in the Cold War era, and UK. Germany and USA how we were in the 1960s and 70’s - who is actually more like who?

The dividing line through all those things, I suggest all have an “establishment”? If you were a senior civil servant in the UK, you were helped putting your children through the best schools and university’s, weren’t you?

So an establishment in real control. And corruption. The only things that unite every type of system.

What’s weights carried in an actual name they chose to call themselves?

It's a fair point. Gorbachev tried to modernise the Soviet Union by liberalising the politics, introducing multi-party politics and giving the non-Russian countries greater self-control. Ad they abandoned communism and the Union as soon as they could.

China noted this and did the opposite: liberalised the economy but maintained a monopoly on the political system. In China, politics is utterly divorced from the citizen but is instead the province of the Party and its internal bureaucracy. This has certain advantages, enabling very rapid development, but is chronically beset by corruption and cronyism.

Basically the Soviet Union gave up control and lost ownership, but China gave up ownership and kept control via the CCP monopoly on politics...and control is all that matters.

You might want to google "socialism with chinese characteristics" and go down the rabbit hole

Whatever it is, it's not really "Marxism".
Exploitation of the workers is full steam ahead in China.

China is about as Marxist as England is an Anglican established monarchy

The titles and symbols are politely observed… that’s it

I’ve been reading about the competition between Chinese robot firms. One reason they are so far ahead is the brutal rivalry between different young companies. Pure Darwinism. The winner gets mega rich. The others not so much

But overseeing it is an autocratic state run by nepotistic kleptocrats. It’s like a mix of Singapore, Japan and imperial Rome

Lee Anderson is on the PMQs list.

Popcorn to standby.

PM is in China

Kemi has said she wouldn't have gone herself

'Asked at an event in central London this morning whether she would travel to China if she were PM, Badenoch said: "No, not now, because I don’t think that this is the time to do that. We need to be talking to those other countries who are worried about the threat China is posing to them.”

Badenoch also repeated her criticism of the government’s decision to give the Chagos Islands to Mauritius.

Writing in the Telegraph on Tuesday, Badenoch said the decision “will weaken our strategic position in the Indian Ocean and hand Beijing even greater influence near critical British military infrastructure”.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c4gw427eenpt

They know the truth, why are they persisting with this claim? She even name checked “Indian Ocean” without any acknowledgement India’s involvement in pushing and arranging this Chagos deal.

This attack line is not without creating some problem for the Conservative Party as time passes. I don’t believe at the highest strategic levels the Conservative Party is ignorant of India’s growing Superpower influence in the region, but it’s certainly giving that impression publicly, by only talking of China influence in Indian Ocean not India’s.

And of course, in the wild outlier the Conservatives win the next election on scrapping “Labours” Chagos deal - there’s the huge India in the way glaring down at them.

The US would also be glaring at India and China as they also oppose the Chagos handover

Are you sure 🤣 the US wrote it for us to sign!

Historically, since we got into this in 1960’s, it’s been US writing the order sheet what we must do, UK owning the ethnic cleansing and everything - what’s different with this new deal, India have muscled their way into the room, in a show of their growing superpower influence in the region. When it comes to our continued involvement in Chagos and Garcia, UK now has Two Gov’nors in the room, bossing us around.

It helps Conservative Party to get publicly back on the facts before too long. But I guess that’s what changing leaders is for.

Trump has made clear the Chagos should not be handed over to Mauritius, so Modi can take it up with him

Trump put his team in there and wrote it, though performative because it was already written, so that it wouldn’t be Biden’s Great Deal, but his.

Trump is not going to stop the Chagos Deal, HY.

Let me give you a second further example, contrast the Cameron and Osborne’s governmental position to China, with Badenoch’s today. Everyone from EU to Trump has gone to and sat down with China, on free trade business terms. Even Trump, whose commitment to Free Trade and Capitalism is questionable.

Is this not a short term opportunist position of Badenoch towards China? not one of a serious party for government can sustain up, and into a General Election, and beyond?

Ditto, with posturing regards China, there is no way Badenoch’s front bench, out the public eye, does not recognise the growing Super Power influence of India throughout the Indian Ocean, and what that means to commercial and security interests of the UK. So how long can they keep something going publicly, that’s not what they believe privately?

Communist China is more of a threat to the west than India as Kemi has made clear, though Trump has imposed heavy tariffs on China and India, much more than he has imposed on the UK.

Starmer is going ahead with the Chagos handover to Mauritius regardless so it will then be up to Trump and Modi to sort out

Tacking our chat off on a tangent then - you called China communist. Is China still a communist country, in your opinion? Where you can still point to how they practice communism - as distinct to everything you would find practiced in any Nationalistic One Party State? China has more billionaires than the USA. And how they brutally allow ventures and factories to go bust, without state support, brutal on locked out workers also banned from being in a union, this seems more free market capitalist than even Hitlers Germany? Than even us in UK?

At a street level, it makes American capitalism look tame. I was really taken aback about how fierce and brutal competition is and selling is integrated into everything. My burner phone was constantly being pinged with notifications of offer offer buy now, get coffee for 5 RMB buy next 10 mins, etc. TikTok, seemed like everything you see your favourite influencer is wearing, tap, link to buy from shirt to their makeup.

But still, all land (?) is owned by the state, and c. 60% of businesses when measured by value are state-owned IIRC. The CCP very much believes in Marxism and Leninism, even if there is a sneaky pragmatism which tentatively creeps in from time to time when the economic catastrophe of communism stares them in the face too hard.

Oh there is no doubt about in certain areas the hand of the state is present and they let you know. Its an odd mix of one monent you are in a 10 level shopping maul with any items you could ever wish for the next you are being searched for the 10th time that day just to get into the metro.

I was thinking about this and i think what they have done is a bit like South Korea did, they identify stratregitic industries, then instruct who to get involved, lots of state aid, until matured. But on the flipside can turn around and ban something overnight.

And of course internet / social media heavily censored, but within that ecosystem, for the things the state doesnt care, its sell sell sell.

But. Is that distinctly “communist”?

If we compare the Cold War Warsaw pact communist states with China today, how’s that contrast?

throw in the democracy lacking Arab states in the Middle East today, the Juntas in South America also in the Cold War era, and UK. Germany and USA how we were in the 1960s and 70’s - who is actually more like who?

The dividing line through all those things, I suggest all have an “establishment”? If you were a senior civil servant in the UK, you were helped putting your children through the best schools and university’s, weren’t you?

So an establishment in real control. And corruption. The only things that unite every type of system.

What’s weights carried in an actual name they chose to call themselves?

It's a fair point. Gorbachev tried to modernise the Soviet Union by liberalising the politics, introducing multi-party politics and giving the non-Russian countries greater self-control. Ad they abandoned communism and the Union as soon as they could.

China noted this and did the opposite: liberalised the economy but maintained a monopoly on the political system. In China, politics is utterly divorced from the citizen but is instead the province of the Party and its internal bureaucracy. This has certain advantages, enabling very rapid development, but is chronically beset by corruption and cronyism.

Basically the Soviet Union gave up control and lost ownership, but China gave up ownership and kept control via the CCP monopoly on politics...and control is all that matters.

You might want to google "socialism with chinese characteristics" and go down the rabbit hole

Whatever it is, it's not really "Marxism".
Exploitation of the workers is full steam ahead in China.

But that's Marxism. It's a common aspect of all Marxist systems that those in charge see workers as units to be exploited to generate as much output as possible. You don't get Marxisms where the workers get to have a lovely time.

This is ludicrous. In Marxism no one can get rich because each according to his means to each according t his needs

In China you can get fabulously rich. Insanely rich. It is state directed capitalism with a fairly basic welfare state. And a fuckload of surveillance cameras

Lee Anderson is on the PMQs list.

Popcorn to standby.

PM is in China

Kemi has said she wouldn't have gone herself

'Asked at an event in central London this morning whether she would travel to China if she were PM, Badenoch said: "No, not now, because I don’t think that this is the time to do that. We need to be talking to those other countries who are worried about the threat China is posing to them.”

Badenoch also repeated her criticism of the government’s decision to give the Chagos Islands to Mauritius.

Writing in the Telegraph on Tuesday, Badenoch said the decision “will weaken our strategic position in the Indian Ocean and hand Beijing even greater influence near critical British military infrastructure”.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c4gw427eenpt

They know the truth, why are they persisting with this claim? She even name checked “Indian Ocean” without any acknowledgement India’s involvement in pushing and arranging this Chagos deal.

This attack line is not without creating some problem for the Conservative Party as time passes. I don’t believe at the highest strategic levels the Conservative Party is ignorant of India’s growing Superpower influence in the region, but it’s certainly giving that impression publicly, by only talking of China influence in Indian Ocean not India’s.

And of course, in the wild outlier the Conservatives win the next election on scrapping “Labours” Chagos deal - there’s the huge India in the way glaring down at them.

The US would also be glaring at India and China as they also oppose the Chagos handover

Are you sure 🤣 the US wrote it for us to sign!

Historically, since we got into this in 1960’s, it’s been US writing the order sheet what we must do, UK owning the ethnic cleansing and everything - what’s different with this new deal, India have muscled their way into the room, in a show of their growing superpower influence in the region. When it comes to our continued involvement in Chagos and Garcia, UK now has Two Gov’nors in the room, bossing us around.

It helps Conservative Party to get publicly back on the facts before too long. But I guess that’s what changing leaders is for.

Trump has made clear the Chagos should not be handed over to Mauritius, so Modi can take it up with him

Trump put his team in there and wrote it, though performative because it was already written, so that it wouldn’t be Biden’s Great Deal, but his.

Trump is not going to stop the Chagos Deal, HY.

Let me give you a second further example, contrast the Cameron and Osborne’s governmental position to China, with Badenoch’s today. Everyone from EU to Trump has gone to and sat down with China, on free trade business terms. Even Trump, whose commitment to Free Trade and Capitalism is questionable.

Is this not a short term opportunist position of Badenoch towards China? not one of a serious party for government can sustain up, and into a General Election, and beyond?

Ditto, with posturing regards China, there is no way Badenoch’s front bench, out the public eye, does not recognise the growing Super Power influence of India throughout the Indian Ocean, and what that means to commercial and security interests of the UK. So how long can they keep something going publicly, that’s not what they believe privately?

Communist China is more of a threat to the west than India as Kemi has made clear, though Trump has imposed heavy tariffs on China and India, much more than he has imposed on the UK.

Starmer is going ahead with the Chagos handover to Mauritius regardless so it will then be up to Trump and Modi to sort out

Tacking our chat off on a tangent then - you called China communist. Is China still a communist country, in your opinion? Where you can still point to how they practice communism - as distinct to everything you would find practiced in any Nationalistic One Party State? China has more billionaires than the USA. And how they brutally allow ventures and factories to go bust, without state support, brutal on locked out workers also banned from being in a union, this seems more free market capitalist than even Hitlers Germany? Than even us in UK?

At a street level, it makes American capitalism look tame. I was really taken aback about how fierce and brutal competition is and selling is integrated into everything. My burner phone was constantly being pinged with notifications of offer offer buy now, get coffee for 5 RMB buy next 10 mins, etc. TikTok, seemed like everything you see your favourite influencer is wearing, tap, link to buy from shirt to their makeup.

But still, all land (?) is owned by the state, and c. 60% of businesses when measured by value are state-owned IIRC. The CCP very much believes in Marxism and Leninism, even if there is a sneaky pragmatism which tentatively creeps in from time to time when the economic catastrophe of communism stares them in the face too hard.

Oh there is no doubt about in certain areas the hand of the state is present and they let you know. Its an odd mix of one monent you are in a 10 level shopping maul with any items you could ever wish for the next you are being searched for the 10th time that day just to get into the metro.

I was thinking about this and i think what they have done is a bit like South Korea did, they identify stratregitic industries, then instruct who to get involved, lots of state aid, until matured. But on the flipside can turn around and ban something overnight.

And of course internet / social media heavily censored, but within that ecosystem, for the things the state doesnt care, its sell sell sell.

But. Is that distinctly “communist”?

If we compare the Cold War Warsaw pact communist states with China today, how’s that contrast?

throw in the democracy lacking Arab states in the Middle East today, the Juntas in South America also in the Cold War era, and UK. Germany and USA how we were in the 1960s and 70’s - who is actually more like who?

The dividing line through all those things, I suggest all have an “establishment”? If you were a senior civil servant in the UK, you were helped putting your children through the best schools and university’s, weren’t you?

So an establishment in real control. And corruption. The only things that unite every type of system.

What’s weights carried in an actual name they chose to call themselves?

It's a fair point. Gorbachev tried to modernise the Soviet Union by liberalising the politics, introducing multi-party politics and giving the non-Russian countries greater self-control. Ad they abandoned communism and the Union as soon as they could.

China noted this and did the opposite: liberalised the economy but maintained a monopoly on the political system. In China, politics is utterly divorced from the citizen but is instead the province of the Party and its internal bureaucracy. This has certain advantages, enabling very rapid development, but is chronically beset by corruption and cronyism.

Basically the Soviet Union gave up control and lost ownership, but China gave up ownership and kept control via the CCP monopoly on politics...and control is all that matters.

You might want to google "socialism with chinese characteristics" and go down the rabbit hole

Whatever it is, it's not really "Marxism".
Exploitation of the workers is full steam ahead in China.

Lee Anderson is on the PMQs list.

Popcorn to standby.

PM is in China

Kemi has said she wouldn't have gone herself

'Asked at an event in central London this morning whether she would travel to China if she were PM, Badenoch said: "No, not now, because I don’t think that this is the time to do that. We need to be talking to those other countries who are worried about the threat China is posing to them.”

Badenoch also repeated her criticism of the government’s decision to give the Chagos Islands to Mauritius.

Writing in the Telegraph on Tuesday, Badenoch said the decision “will weaken our strategic position in the Indian Ocean and hand Beijing even greater influence near critical British military infrastructure”.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c4gw427eenpt

They know the truth, why are they persisting with this claim? She even name checked “Indian Ocean” without any acknowledgement India’s involvement in pushing and arranging this Chagos deal.

This attack line is not without creating some problem for the Conservative Party as time passes. I don’t believe at the highest strategic levels the Conservative Party is ignorant of India’s growing Superpower influence in the region, but it’s certainly giving that impression publicly, by only talking of China influence in Indian Ocean not India’s.

And of course, in the wild outlier the Conservatives win the next election on scrapping “Labours” Chagos deal - there’s the huge India in the way glaring down at them.

The US would also be glaring at India and China as they also oppose the Chagos handover

Are you sure 🤣 the US wrote it for us to sign!

Historically, since we got into this in 1960’s, it’s been US writing the order sheet what we must do, UK owning the ethnic cleansing and everything - what’s different with this new deal, India have muscled their way into the room, in a show of their growing superpower influence in the region. When it comes to our continued involvement in Chagos and Garcia, UK now has Two Gov’nors in the room, bossing us around.

It helps Conservative Party to get publicly back on the facts before too long. But I guess that’s what changing leaders is for.

Trump has made clear the Chagos should not be handed over to Mauritius, so Modi can take it up with him

Trump put his team in there and wrote it, though performative because it was already written, so that it wouldn’t be Biden’s Great Deal, but his.

Trump is not going to stop the Chagos Deal, HY.

Let me give you a second further example, contrast the Cameron and Osborne’s governmental position to China, with Badenoch’s today. Everyone from EU to Trump has gone to and sat down with China, on free trade business terms. Even Trump, whose commitment to Free Trade and Capitalism is questionable.

Is this not a short term opportunist position of Badenoch towards China? not one of a serious party for government can sustain up, and into a General Election, and beyond?

Ditto, with posturing regards China, there is no way Badenoch’s front bench, out the public eye, does not recognise the growing Super Power influence of India throughout the Indian Ocean, and what that means to commercial and security interests of the UK. So how long can they keep something going publicly, that’s not what they believe privately?

Communist China is more of a threat to the west than India as Kemi has made clear, though Trump has imposed heavy tariffs on China and India, much more than he has imposed on the UK.

Starmer is going ahead with the Chagos handover to Mauritius regardless so it will then be up to Trump and Modi to sort out

Tacking our chat off on a tangent then - you called China communist. Is China still a communist country, in your opinion? Where you can still point to how they practice communism - as distinct to everything you would find practiced in any Nationalistic One Party State? China has more billionaires than the USA. And how they brutally allow ventures and factories to go bust, without state support, brutal on locked out workers also banned from being in a union, this seems more free market capitalist than even Hitlers Germany? Than even us in UK?

At a street level, it makes American capitalism look tame. I was really taken aback about how fierce and brutal competition is and selling is integrated into everything. My burner phone was constantly being pinged with notifications of offer offer buy now, get coffee for 5 RMB buy next 10 mins, etc. TikTok, seemed like everything you see your favourite influencer is wearing, tap, link to buy from shirt to their makeup.

But still, all land (?) is owned by the state, and c. 60% of businesses when measured by value are state-owned IIRC. The CCP very much believes in Marxism and Leninism, even if there is a sneaky pragmatism which tentatively creeps in from time to time when the economic catastrophe of communism stares them in the face too hard.

Oh there is no doubt about in certain areas the hand of the state is present and they let you know. Its an odd mix of one monent you are in a 10 level shopping maul with any items you could ever wish for the next you are being searched for the 10th time that day just to get into the metro.

I was thinking about this and i think what they have done is a bit like South Korea did, they identify stratregitic industries, then instruct who to get involved, lots of state aid, until matured. But on the flipside can turn around and ban something overnight.

And of course internet / social media heavily censored, but within that ecosystem, for the things the state doesnt care, its sell sell sell.

But. Is that distinctly “communist”?

If we compare the Cold War Warsaw pact communist states with China today, how’s that contrast?

throw in the democracy lacking Arab states in the Middle East today, the Juntas in South America also in the Cold War era, and UK. Germany and USA how we were in the 1960s and 70’s - who is actually more like who?

The dividing line through all those things, I suggest all have an “establishment”? If you were a senior civil servant in the UK, you were helped putting your children through the best schools and university’s, weren’t you?

So an establishment in real control. And corruption. The only things that unite every type of system.

What’s weights carried in an actual name they chose to call themselves?

It's a fair point. Gorbachev tried to modernise the Soviet Union by liberalising the politics, introducing multi-party politics and giving the non-Russian countries greater self-control. Ad they abandoned communism and the Union as soon as they could.

China noted this and did the opposite: liberalised the economy but maintained a monopoly on the political system. In China, politics is utterly divorced from the citizen but is instead the province of the Party and its internal bureaucracy. This has certain advantages, enabling very rapid development, but is chronically beset by corruption and cronyism.

Basically the Soviet Union gave up control and lost ownership, but China gave up ownership and kept control via the CCP monopoly on politics...and control is all that matters.

You might want to google "socialism with chinese characteristics" and go down the rabbit hole

Whatever it is, it's not really "Marxism".
Exploitation of the workers is full steam ahead in China.

But that's Marxism. It's a common aspect of all Marxist systems that those in charge see workers as units to be exploited to generate as much output as possible. You don't get Marxisms where the workers get to have a lovely time.