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Re: Is Andy about to crash and burn-ham? – politicalbetting.com
Scottish Water is nationalised and does not have a brilliant record, concealed somewhat by the fact we have gallons of the stuff. Pollution is still pretty bad but somehow better because it's the government doing it rather than private companies.Now do waterSome of us are old enough to remember 1980s British Telecom, where you’d wait three months for line to be installed, it would end up being a shared party line, and you’d better be damn grateful they were kind enough to give you service in the first place.Utilities were publicly ownedGood morningWe'll see. I'm not convinced Burnham will want to exacerbate party splits on day one.Too late - she’s too politically damaged and too closely associated with Starmer for Burnham to offer her a job.Does Reeves want to remain Chancellor for an extra few weeks or would she fancy three years of first class flights and state banquets as Foreign Secretary to a gratefulOn what possible planet would Reeves have resigned? Her only hope of remaining as chancellor is for Starmer to stay on.No 10 was braced for Reeves or Miliband to quit. Then Healey jumped shipHealy and Carns resigning, with blistering letters to the PM, was about the worst case scenario for No.10.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-defence-strategy-john-healey-bsncps22n (£££)
No-one would have mourned Reeves or Miliband walking away.Wes StreetingAndy Burnham? Or even, since this is Labour, a chance to build something running a spending department – whether you like what Miliband, Phillipson and Streeting have done or not, at least they've done something.
I suspect the bond market's patience is going to be stretched to breaking point in the next few weeks, especially if Burnham carries out his threat to nationalise water and energy
Stolen and Thatcher ruined by greed and corruption.
Labour should take back in to public ownership paying shareholders a minimal peppercorn sum
Power to the People
Bringing accountability back
Privatisation and competition were the best things to ever happen to utilities.
Shit pumped out levels, leaks, investment levels, quality of water, the lot.
The difference is that what we pay goes back into the public coffers rather to overseas dividends. I contend that the former is marginally better, even though neither system ensures the appropriate investment in the infrastructure.
Eabhal
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Re: Is Andy about to crash and burn-ham? – politicalbetting.com
Sorry, Sandpit, but that's just rubbish.Some of us are old enough to remember 1980s British Telecom, where you’d wait three months for line to be installed, it would end up being a shared party line, and you’d better be damn grateful they were kind enough to give you service in the first place.Utilities were publicly ownedGood morningWe'll see. I'm not convinced Burnham will want to exacerbate party splits on day one.Too late - she’s too politically damaged and too closely associated with Starmer for Burnham to offer her a job.Does Reeves want to remain Chancellor for an extra few weeks or would she fancy three years of first class flights and state banquets as Foreign Secretary to a gratefulOn what possible planet would Reeves have resigned? Her only hope of remaining as chancellor is for Starmer to stay on.No 10 was braced for Reeves or Miliband to quit. Then Healey jumped shipHealy and Carns resigning, with blistering letters to the PM, was about the worst case scenario for No.10.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-defence-strategy-john-healey-bsncps22n (£££)
No-one would have mourned Reeves or Miliband walking away.Wes StreetingAndy Burnham? Or even, since this is Labour, a chance to build something running a spending department – whether you like what Miliband, Phillipson and Streeting have done or not, at least they've done something.
I suspect the bond market's patience is going to be stretched to breaking point in the next few weeks, especially if Burnham carries out his threat to nationalise water and energy
Stolen and Thatcher ruined by greed and corruption.
Labour should take back in to public ownership paying shareholders a minimal peppercorn sum
Power to the People
Bringing accountability back
Privatisation and competition were the best things to ever happen to utilities.
There is simply no correspondence at all between a telecoms company and a water utility.
I'm also quite old enough to recall the 80s. Privatisation was well merited for BT, and a disaster for water utilities.
Nigelb
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Re: Is Andy about to crash and burn-ham? – politicalbetting.com
None of the 4 sentenced yesterday bludgeoned anybody.ICYMI: yesterday was a very dark day for the UK justice system.How’s the WPC one of them bludgeoned and accused of being complicit in a Genocide ?
Four people sentenced for a crime they were not convicted of, after a trial where the judge deliberately concealed that possibility from the jury and prevented the media from reporting on it.
I’ve not doubt they would have been acquitted had the jury been made aware of what crime they were convicting them off, so in effect trial by jury has ended in the UK.
The only logical response for jurors is to always acquit in the future.
The person who did that has already been dealt with not as a terrorist
You are completely lost if you think deliberately hiding motivation from a jury then reintroducing it after the verdict is OK
Re: Is Andy about to crash and burn-ham? – politicalbetting.com
It all leaves Labour MPs in a state of total despair. Starmer looks finished but Burnham has no obvious plan and keeps making basic mistakes that foreshadow another troubled premiership, one saidThis should be great for Labour MPs. They've had a chance to see Burnham in action in an election campaign. They don't like what they see. So they don't have to make him leader. They can find someone else.
https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2065705814002651431
Re: Is Andy about to crash and burn-ham? – politicalbetting.com
It all leaves Labour MPs in a state of total despair. Starmer looks finished but Burnham has no obvious plan and keeps making basic mistakes that foreshadow another troubled premiership, one said
https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2065705814002651431
https://x.com/alexwickham/status/2065705814002651431
Re: Is Andy about to crash and burn-ham? – politicalbetting.com
Lol!How does that rebut what I said? The most recent figures (2025) show the lowest homicide rate since 1977. The figures have been coming down. So, yes, they were higher two years ago. I wasn’t claiming the figures two years ago were the lowest since 1977.I think we knew on public murders, because cameras and newspapers still existed even if they didn't capture in "real time".Who knows, because back in 1977 we didn't have phones and CCTV to film all this stuff and make it as 'newsworthy'. That's what's different now - the amount captured on film and distributed on social media.Were we getting many stabbings in the neck and attempted public beheadings in 1977?It's happened again. See social media for video footage of the incident.The homicide rate in the UK is at its lowest since 1977.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4gypqp0rp9o
Girl, 17, stabbed in the neck in street attack
However, data shows that the rate of violent crime was higher in 1977 than it is now.
FWIW, this is @bondegezou usual one-man-rebuttal-unit bullshit again. The graph he's referring to is here and the murder rate was higher than in 1977 less than 2 years ago:
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/homicideinenglandandwales/yearendingmarch2025
There's a big spike in 2003. Initially my mind jumped to the 7/7 terror attacks, but they were in 2005 and those are probably captured differently.
Re: Is Andy about to crash and burn-ham? – politicalbetting.com
I think it's the simplest ball game - jumpers for goalposts, sort of thing - and so it's the easiest to set up and play in any space, with any number of people. This also extends to being a game that's easy to play without a referee - an informal game of cricket abandons lbw, for example, because there's no umpire to adjudicate.I don't love football but I do like it. I think that objectively it is the best sport. There's a reason it is the most widely played game in the world.Probably, but that will be for different reasons to the love of football.I couldn't give a shit about the World Cup.You will if we go deep. No true patriot can remain unmoved in that event. Bet you any money I'm right. You might not be able to get into the football itself but you'll be rooting hard for us to do it. Just simply because of the joy it will bring to so many English people.
Sorry.
Which I just don't have.
Low barriers to enter are how you get mass participation. That's a widely applicable lesson.
Re: Is Andy about to crash and burn-ham? – politicalbetting.com
1) Yes, and? If it gets overturned on appeal it’s even more egregious because the system has failed in the first instanceICYMI: yesterday was a very dark day for the UK justice system.I am not sure you account is full and complete. But whatever:
Four people sentenced for a crime they were not convicted of, after a trial where the judge deliberately concealed that possibility from the jury and prevented the media from reporting on it.
I’ve not doubt they would have been acquitted had the jury been made aware of what crime they were convicting them off, so in effect trial by jury has ended in the UK.
The only logical response for jurors is to always acquit in the future.
1) They can appeal
2) Sentencing takes account of circumstances; the judge does not normally ask the jury's view of the mitigating or aggravating circumstances
3) Relatedly, I just note that the Liberty talking head on R4 Today this morning was loquacious on all subjects except one, where she pivoted and and no commented on the GBH aspect of the case.
2) It’s not an aggravating factor, it’s a different crime. There are people with simple criminal damage convictions being locked up for terrorism. It has lifelong implications.
3) That’s entirely beside the point. The guy was charged with GBH, evidence was put to the jury, and he was rightly convicted.
Eabhal
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Re: Is Andy about to crash and burn-ham? – politicalbetting.com
I think that we have both very successful privatisation and disastrous privatisation is great because we are forced to discuss the mechanisms rather than revert to ideology.Maybe, but that doesn't apply to water. Unless I've missed it, I can't choose my supplier and there's no meaningful competition.Some of us are old enough to remember 1980s British Telecom, where you’d wait three months for line to be installed, it would end up being a shared party line, and you’d better be damn grateful they were kind enough to give you service in the first place.Utilities were publicly ownedGood morningWe'll see. I'm not convinced Burnham will want to exacerbate party splits on day one.Too late - she’s too politically damaged and too closely associated with Starmer for Burnham to offer her a job.Does Reeves want to remain Chancellor for an extra few weeks or would she fancy three years of first class flights and state banquets as Foreign Secretary to a gratefulOn what possible planet would Reeves have resigned? Her only hope of remaining as chancellor is for Starmer to stay on.No 10 was braced for Reeves or Miliband to quit. Then Healey jumped shipHealy and Carns resigning, with blistering letters to the PM, was about the worst case scenario for No.10.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-defence-strategy-john-healey-bsncps22n (£££)
No-one would have mourned Reeves or Miliband walking away.Wes StreetingAndy Burnham? Or even, since this is Labour, a chance to build something running a spending department – whether you like what Miliband, Phillipson and Streeting have done or not, at least they've done something.
I suspect the bond market's patience is going to be stretched to breaking point in the next few weeks, especially if Burnham carries out his threat to nationalise water and energy
Stolen and Thatcher ruined by greed and corruption.
Labour should take back in to public ownership paying shareholders a minimal peppercorn sum
Power to the People
Bringing accountability back
Privatisation and competition were the best things to ever happen to utilities.
FWIW, I want to see more market liberalisation in energy (nodal pricing, bin the ridiculous price cap), and the opposite in water. The fundamentals are different and the approach should be different.
Eabhal
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Re: Is Andy about to crash and burn-ham? – politicalbetting.com
Maybe, but that doesn't apply to water. Unless I've missed it, I can't choose my supplier and there's no meaningful competition.Some of us are old enough to remember 1980s British Telecom, where you’d wait three months for line to be installed, it would end up being a shared party line, and you’d better be damn grateful they were kind enough to give you service in the first place.Utilities were publicly ownedGood morningWe'll see. I'm not convinced Burnham will want to exacerbate party splits on day one.Too late - she’s too politically damaged and too closely associated with Starmer for Burnham to offer her a job.Does Reeves want to remain Chancellor for an extra few weeks or would she fancy three years of first class flights and state banquets as Foreign Secretary to a gratefulOn what possible planet would Reeves have resigned? Her only hope of remaining as chancellor is for Starmer to stay on.No 10 was braced for Reeves or Miliband to quit. Then Healey jumped shipHealy and Carns resigning, with blistering letters to the PM, was about the worst case scenario for No.10.
https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/keir-starmer-defence-strategy-john-healey-bsncps22n (£££)
No-one would have mourned Reeves or Miliband walking away.Wes StreetingAndy Burnham? Or even, since this is Labour, a chance to build something running a spending department – whether you like what Miliband, Phillipson and Streeting have done or not, at least they've done something.
I suspect the bond market's patience is going to be stretched to breaking point in the next few weeks, especially if Burnham carries out his threat to nationalise water and energy
Stolen and Thatcher ruined by greed and corruption.
Labour should take back in to public ownership paying shareholders a minimal peppercorn sum
Power to the People
Bringing accountability back
Privatisation and competition were the best things to ever happen to utilities.



