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Great idea. Need to get a piece of that excess GDPR, over regulation, economic micro management and low GDP growth we are sadly missing out on.

And what's our growth been like in the past ten years? Also the last time I looked the UK has GDPR*

* I don't think this is a bad thing, but opinions vary.

I said excess, I didn’t say we didn’t have any.

Our growth has been moribund so how would joining a trading bloc, with whom we already trade and have an agreement with, turbocharge it ?

But there's a disconnect if you say, don't join the EU because of low GDP growth and GDP growth in the EU has been materially faster than the UK over the same period.

* Google AI so perhaps check sources but I get 46% UK versus 63% EU growth GDP 2016 to 2025 current USD and 48% UK versus 86% EU GDP per capita PPP growth over the same period.

Should add UK GDP growth was similar to or better than EU while the UK was a member

2016 is dodgy data because the referendum played havoc with the currency markets in 2016.

Taking a more recent benchmark (eg 2019/2022) or a more distant one, shows that the UK has outgrown the EU per capita.

So basically ignore the 10% reduction in PPP created by Brexit and everything is fine.

I remember traveling round Europe in 2016 and watching my expenses increasing by 10% over night

Its false data that 10% though.

Look at 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013 or 2014 as a benchmark and that 10% was never there.

The markets overreacted, but if you look at the big picture, either since before the referendum was even announced, or since Brexit actually happened, and the truth is we have outgrown them.

Great idea. Need to get a piece of that excess GDPR, over regulation, economic micro management and low GDP growth we are sadly missing out on.

And what's our growth been like in the past ten years? Also the last time I looked the UK has GDPR*

* I don't think this is a bad thing, but opinions vary.

I said excess, I didn’t say we didn’t have any.

Our growth has been moribund so how would joining a trading bloc, with whom we already trade and have an agreement with, turbocharge it ?

But there's a disconnect if you say, don't join the EU because of low GDP growth and GDP growth in the EU has been materially faster than the UK over the same period.

* Google AI so perhaps check sources but I get 46% UK versus 63% EU growth GDP 2016 to 2025 current USD and 48% UK versus 86% EU GDP per capita PPP growth over the same period.

Should add UK GDP growth was similar to or better than EU while the UK was a member

2016 is dodgy data because the referendum played havoc with the currency markets in 2016.

Taking a more recent benchmark (eg 2019/2022) or a more distant one, shows that the UK has outgrown the EU per capita.

Great idea. Need to get a piece of that excess GDPR, over regulation, economic micro management and low GDP growth we are sadly missing out on.

And what's our growth been like in the past ten years? Also the last time I looked the UK has GDPR*

* I don't think this is a bad thing, but opinions vary.

I said excess, I didn’t say we didn’t have any.

Our growth has been moribund so how would joining a trading bloc, with whom we already trade and have an agreement with, turbocharge it ?

Because our current trading arrangements (no tariffs, sure, but lots of paperwork) are worse than the ones we had before. So lots of small businesses concluded that the game isn't worth the candle.

And yet we have grown faster per capita than the EU, both in recent years and over the longer term.

Takes a bizarre kind of hubris to think we would have grown even faster than them, if only we had remained members.

Love to see where you are getting your data from - as a counter argument look at Poland

Odd to choose Poland as a comparator, a former Soviet nation being given vast subsidies. Subsidies we would have been paying for, not receiving, if we were members.

World Bank GDP per capita data, Euro Area vs United Kingdom.

We have grown faster than them per capita in recent years (eg since Brexit in 2019 and since Covid fluctuations ended in 2022).

We have also grown faster than them per capita if you take a longer term view since 2010.

It takes a special kind of hubris to argue that if only we were bound closer to them, we would have grown even faster than them still.

Great idea. Need to get a piece of that excess GDPR, over regulation, economic micro management and low GDP growth we are sadly missing out on.

And what's our growth been like in the past ten years? Also the last time I looked the UK has GDPR*

* I don't think this is a bad thing, but opinions vary.

I said excess, I didn’t say we didn’t have any.

Our growth has been moribund so how would joining a trading bloc, with whom we already trade and have an agreement with, turbocharge it ?

Because our current trading arrangements (no tariffs, sure, but lots of paperwork) are worse than the ones we had before. So lots of small businesses concluded that the game isn't worth the candle.

And yet we have grown faster per capita than the EU, both in recent years and over the longer term.

Takes a bizarre kind of hubris to think we would have grown even faster than them, if only we had remained members.