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The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

Stop talking the UK down.

It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.

TSE still bitter, ten years on...

Leave 52%

Remain 48%

[runs and hides!]

That doesn't really help.

Makes me feel better....

The Leave vote was without doubt my biggest political disappointment.

All but 25 of my 64 years have been Tory Governments, but each election disappointment "could" be rectified within five years. The Farage smoke and mirrors fiasco was for life.

It's entirely the wrong attitude to lock something in for the long-term against the wishes of British electorate.

That's the principle for which many of us voted Leave in the first place.

Be honest, what has it achieved?

Removed the easy get out blame for all our ills (the EU). Although sadly it’s replaced leaving as a panacea with rejoining as a panacea.

The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

Stop talking the UK down.

It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.

TSE still bitter, ten years on...

Leave 52%

Remain 48%

[runs and hides!]

That doesn't really help.

Makes me feel better....

The Leave vote was without doubt my biggest political disappointment.

All but 25 of my 64 years have been Tory Governments, but each election disappointment "could" be rectified within five years. The Farage smoke and mirrors fiasco was for life.

Me too. Felt sick. My top 5 sickeners in order of nausea intensity as below:

1. Trump2
2. 1992 Con win
3. Brexit
4. 2015 Con win
5. Trump1

Definitely Brexit, when I went to bed Farage had conceded and was demanding a best of three, when I woke up Dimbleby said "we're leaving".

There was an inevitability about Trump 47.

1992 was a shock but the five years of comedy that followed culminating in '97 wasn't all bad.

Brexit for some of us was like the sudden death of a favourite uncle. And all the "suck it up loser, you lost" on here didn't help, particularly as it turned into an utter fiasco and gave us Boris Johnson and Liz Truss premierships.

The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

Stop talking the UK down.

It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.

TSE still bitter, ten years on...

Leave 52%

Remain 48%

[runs and hides!]

That doesn't really help.

Makes me feel better....

The Leave vote was without doubt my biggest political disappointment.

All but 25 of my 64 years have been Tory Governments, but each election disappointment "could" be rectified within five years. The Farage smoke and mirrors fiasco was for life.

Me too. Felt sick. My top 5 sickeners in order of nausea intensity as below:

1. Trump2
2. 1992 Con win
3. Brexit
4. 2015 Con win
5. Trump1

The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

Stop talking the UK down.

It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.

TSE still bitter, ten years on...

Leave 52%

Remain 48%

[runs and hides!]

That doesn't really help.

Makes me feel better....

The Leave vote was without doubt my biggest political disappointment.

All but 25 of my 64 years have been Tory Governments, but each election disappointment "could" be rectified within five years. The Farage smoke and mirrors fiasco was for life.

It's entirely the wrong attitude to lock something in for the long-term against the wishes of British electorate.

That's the principle for which many of us voted Leave in the first place.

I agree - I never understood why people got so upset at Cameron for holding the referendum, and the fact Leave won entirely vindicated his policy.

But by the same token we should probably be thinking about another referendum. 20 point gap at the moment - I think at 30 points (and 15 year wait. so 2030 onward), you'd have to support another referendum to avoid being a hypocrite.

Or, we could all agree full EU membership wasn't (and never will be) the right model for British involvement in European politics in the long-term, and find a hybrid that would instead.

Then, we'd have peace.

Great idea. Need to get a piece of that excess GDPR, over regulation, economic micro management and low GDP growth we are sadly missing out on.

And what's our growth been like in the past ten years? Also the last time I looked the UK has GDPR*

* I don't think this is a bad thing, but opinions vary.

I said excess, I didn’t say we didn’t have any.

Our growth has been moribund so how would joining a trading bloc, with whom we already trade and have an agreement with, turbocharge it ?

But there's a disconnect if you say, don't join the EU because of low GDP growth and GDP growth in the EU has been materially faster than the UK over the same period.

* Google AI so perhaps check sources but I get 46% UK versus 63% EU growth GDP 2016 to 2025 current USD and 48% UK versus 86% EU GDP per capita PPP growth over the same period.

Should add UK GDP growth was similar to or better than EU while the UK was a member

2016 is dodgy data because the referendum played havoc with the currency markets in 2016.

Taking a more recent benchmark (eg 2019/2022) or a more distant one, shows that the UK has outgrown the EU per capita.

Both GDP measures I put forward are internationally recognised and valid. GDP per capita PPP in principle compensates for currency volatility and that one has the big gap with the EU

There are numerous regions of Poland now richer than not a few regions of the UK.
However Barry likes to explain it away, the last decade has seen remarkable economic growth in Poland.

Meanwhile the regional funding our poorer regions used to receive was not (as was promised) matched by post Brexit governments.
Which cheated many of the areas which voted most heavily for Brexit.

Opinion polling has been very clear for some time. Most of the electorate believe Brexit to be a crock.
Brexiteer cope used to be that there is no majority for rejoin.
Now there seems to be that too, they are struggling to explain it away.

Were I running a Rejoin campaign - it would be very much “so how has the last 10 years treated you” alongside “enjoy queuing at airports?”

You could try that, but my experience of queuing at airports has been exactly the same as before - and nothing compared to the pain of baggage reclaim.

Yes, mine too. I've been to the EU three times since Brexit and encountered no more queues than I evet did either there or returning.

The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

Stop talking the UK down.

It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.

TSE still bitter, ten years on...

Leave 52%

Remain 48%

[runs and hides!]

That doesn't really help.

Makes me feel better....

The Leave vote was without doubt my biggest political disappointment.

All but 25 of my 64 years have been Tory Governments, but each election disappointment "could" be rectified within five years. The Farage smoke and mirrors fiasco was for life.

It's entirely the wrong attitude to lock something in for the long-term against the wishes of British electorate.

That's the principle for which many of us voted Leave in the first place.

I agree - I never understood why people got so upset at Cameron for holding the referendum, and the fact Leave won entirely vindicated his policy.

But by the same token we should probably be thinking about another referendum. 20 point gap at the moment - I think at 30 points (and 15 year wait. so 2030 onward), you'd have to support another referendum to avoid being a hypocrite.

The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

Stop talking the UK down.

It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.

TSE still bitter, ten years on...

Leave 52%

Remain 48%

[runs and hides!]

That doesn't really help.

Makes me feel better....

The Leave vote was without doubt my biggest political disappointment.

All but 25 of my 64 years have been Tory Governments, but each election disappointment "could" be rectified within five years. The Farage smoke and mirrors fiasco was for life.

Me too. Felt sick. My top 5 sickeners in order of nausea intensity as below:

1. Trump2
2. 1992 Con win
3. Brexit
4. 2015 Con win
5. Trump1

Why did you have so much hate for John Major?

The public may be less keen when they see what concessions the EU wants in return.

Stop talking the UK down.

It’ll be the easiest deal in history, the EU needs more than we need them.

TSE still bitter, ten years on...

Leave 52%

Remain 48%

[runs and hides!]

That doesn't really help.

Makes me feel better....

The Leave vote was without doubt my biggest political disappointment.

All but 25 of my 64 years have been Tory Governments, but each election disappointment "could" be rectified within five years. The Farage smoke and mirrors fiasco was for life.

It's entirely the wrong attitude to lock something in for the long-term against the wishes of British electorate.

That's the principle for which many of us voted Leave in the first place.

Be honest, what has it achieved?

Regulatory freedom, trading freedom, immigration freedom, political freedom and accountability to our own people for the decisions our government takes.

Why would you want to give that up?