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Re: The politics of envy – politicalbetting.com
It's surprising that 20-30 years of underfunding, under-reforming, can lead to simplistic revoking of nearly a millennia of tradition.This really feels like a turning point for this country. If Labour manage to somehow remove jury trials for all but two types of crime then I truly believe we will no longer be living in a free or just country.The right for an Englishman to be tried by a jury of his or her peers goes all the way back to Magna Carta. There's no way fools like Lammy and here today, gone tomorrow PMs like Starmer can be allowed to get away with axing a Centuries old right like this - Especially as it wasn't even a manifesto commitment.
From beginning to end agents of the state will be able to investigate, charge, prosecute, adjudicate and sentence on criminal cases in very serious matters. There won't be a single break point or sanity check in that process where someone who isn't paid by the state can actually check the state's reasoning.
This is fundamentally wrong.
Maybe not that surprising. Now that I think about it.
ohnotnow
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Re: The politics of envy – politicalbetting.com
This really feels like a turning point for this country. If Labour manage to somehow remove jury trials for all but two types of crime then I truly believe we will no longer be living in a free or just country.
From beginning to end agents of the state will be able to investigate, charge, prosecute, adjudicate and sentence on criminal cases in very serious matters. There won't be a single break point or sanity check in that process where someone who isn't paid by the state can actually check the state's reasoning.
This is fundamentally wrong.
From beginning to end agents of the state will be able to investigate, charge, prosecute, adjudicate and sentence on criminal cases in very serious matters. There won't be a single break point or sanity check in that process where someone who isn't paid by the state can actually check the state's reasoning.
This is fundamentally wrong.
MaxPB
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Re: The politics of envy – politicalbetting.com
This conversation is now closed.You linked to your Instagram on here. Why do so if you are going to cry like a big, embarrassed baby when someone clicks on it?You might be comfortable with some idiot stalking you, but on this occasion that is not for me..He will be back. He needs this place like an alcoholic needs booze.Please don't.Wow!I've just found a great and very informative Instagram account called "reformarenotyourfriends"I had a look at yours yesterday… interesting set of followers you have!
I think it might time I left this place.
Otherwise your analysis is accurate.
Re: The politics of envy – politicalbetting.com
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Please don't.Wow!I've just found a great and very informative Instagram account called "reformarenotyourfriends"I had a look at yours yesterday… interesting set of followers you have!
I think it might time I left this place.
Nigelb
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Re: The politics of envy – politicalbetting.com
It's worth noting that the poll in the header asks about the super-rich, not the rich. I take this to mean multi-millionaires to billionaires. It may well be that many folk think that these people could afford to pay plenty more tax and still, in fact, be super-rich, without vacating the UK.
Polanski's exhortations to tax billionaires' income and wealth more is, I suspect, a major reason for the rise of the Greens in the polls. It resonates with a lot of people, particularly the young.
Polanski's exhortations to tax billionaires' income and wealth more is, I suspect, a major reason for the rise of the Greens in the polls. It resonates with a lot of people, particularly the young.
Re: The politics of envy – politicalbetting.com
PBers who like US political history and have Netflix: I thoroughly recommend 'Death by Lightning' (the James Gardfield story).
MacFadyen should get an Emmy for this.
MacFadyen should get an Emmy for this.
Re: The politics of envy – politicalbetting.com
Why does the Chancellor have a chess board on her desk, and not her first female Chancellor trophy?Because she's expecting a big cheque, mate.
Re: The politics of envy – politicalbetting.com
I'm a case in point. I dropped down to part time after my wife went back to work after her second maternity leave. Never went back up to full time. Why do 25% more work for 15% more pay? I'm not super rich. But the presence of the 40% tax band is a big disincentive to do any more.I've sat across from people rejecting more hours. Because their benefits get withdrawn, creating effective super tax rates.It always makes me laugh that the well-off (which let's be honest includes most of us on here) always assume that higher taxation leads to less inclination to work. That may be the case for the well-off (although in my experience most successful people work hard because they enjoy it, not directly because they calculate each penny they will earn).If you have hens that lay golden eggs, trying to squeeze more eggs out of them (or threatening to cut them open to get all of the eggs out) teaches them to flySo, you're saying that additional taxation makes people work harder than ever before?
But in any case, when you are less well-off if finances get tight whether because of increased costs or reduced income the first inclination is to see if you have get some extra hours, work longer, earn a bit more. I can remember this only too well from my younger day - a lot of Laffer followers seem to have completely forgotten (if they ever knew) what it is like to be really tight for money.
Laffer Curve in action.
Why work a bunch of hours to end up with not enough money to cover travel costs for the day? Let alone buy a sandwich for lunch.
Cookie
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Re: The politics of envy – politicalbetting.com
This government is an utter fucking disgrace.
Led by a human rights lawyer, it
- ignores judgments it doesn't like,
- lies to Parliament and/or the courts or both,
- disregards rights for women,
- is utterly dishonest about pretending the AD Bill is not in reality a government bill (it is already spending money on how the Bill will be implemented before it's final form is determined and the law actually passed)
- thinks the test for such a law is that it should be "effective" not "safe" (which the PM is now conspicuously not saying),
- seems not to realise the one of the arguments for it - that it is ok for some to die wrongfully if this is for the greater good - totally undermines the chief objection to capital punishment
- Is happy for poverty to be a reason for the state to help you kill yourself, forgetting that Labour was originally set up to help the poor not kill them
- And now wants to abolish trial by jury, one of the few truly democratic elements of our justice system and constitution.
It is not the existence of juries which cause delays in our justice system. It is the failure by this and previous governments to fund the first and most basic function of the state properly.
This is a government which knows the price of everything but the value of nothing.
In June 2020 I wrote the attached about the last proposal to attack the jury system. https://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2020/06/24/12-good-men/
Every word I wrote then is valid, even more so, now. Every. Single. Word. And that utter idiot Lammy should be hanging his head in shame at what he is proposing, given the review he authored in 2017.

Yes I'm furious .......
Led by a human rights lawyer, it
- ignores judgments it doesn't like,
- lies to Parliament and/or the courts or both,
- disregards rights for women,
- is utterly dishonest about pretending the AD Bill is not in reality a government bill (it is already spending money on how the Bill will be implemented before it's final form is determined and the law actually passed)
- thinks the test for such a law is that it should be "effective" not "safe" (which the PM is now conspicuously not saying),
- seems not to realise the one of the arguments for it - that it is ok for some to die wrongfully if this is for the greater good - totally undermines the chief objection to capital punishment
- Is happy for poverty to be a reason for the state to help you kill yourself, forgetting that Labour was originally set up to help the poor not kill them
- And now wants to abolish trial by jury, one of the few truly democratic elements of our justice system and constitution.
It is not the existence of juries which cause delays in our justice system. It is the failure by this and previous governments to fund the first and most basic function of the state properly.
This is a government which knows the price of everything but the value of nothing.
In June 2020 I wrote the attached about the last proposal to attack the jury system. https://www7.politicalbetting.com/index.php/archives/2020/06/24/12-good-men/
Every word I wrote then is valid, even more so, now. Every. Single. Word. And that utter idiot Lammy should be hanging his head in shame at what he is proposing, given the review he authored in 2017.

Yes I'm furious .......
Re: The politics of envy – politicalbetting.com
StaLLMer will do nothing to help me, presumably I'm well enough offYou can have too much of a good thing. It made a lot of sense to lift the NMW rapidly when we were short of labour and trying to entice people back into the job market. Now, with unemployment rising, I am really not sure it is a good idea. At the margins the employer will simply not be able to recover their costs so the employment will disappear. Conversely, in the public sector the cost of services will increase. In both cases the wage increase will be inflationary.
@Keir_Starmer
From April, we're raising the National Living Wage and National Minimum Wage.
The cost of living is the number one issue people are facing, with too many struggling to make ends meet.
I am determined to tackle it.
https://x.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1993379464516939998
For those who lose their jobs but would have been willing to work for less this is not "tackling" the cost of living, it is aggravating it. For those on fixed incomes the cost of living gets worse as costs go up. This is pretty basic stuff and it is disappointing that the government seems to be finding it so difficult.
DavidL
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