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Re: Russia Today and the Fremen Mirage – politicalbetting.com
Who are the Lords wrecking the bill? Name them.Baroness Finlay of Llandaff, Baroness Grey-Thompson, Lord Carlisle of Berriew, Baroness Coffey, Lord Goodman of Wycombe, Lord Moylan, and Lord Sandhurst, all opponents of the Assisted Dying Bill, have together tabled 617 amendments to it. This clearly goes past just being scrutiny of the Bill and is an obvious attempt to undemocratically derail the Bill.
Here is Baroness Cass making a perfectly reasonable objection to the current legislation
https://x.com/treesey/status/1991868973202452875
Re: Russia Today and the Fremen Mirage – politicalbetting.com
Trump sees everything as a real estate deal, hence Witkoff as his negotiator.
In reality this deal written by the Russians and passed off as the work of Trump shows quite a lot of acceptance by Russia that they will not achieve their initial war aims. Yes, there are further territorial demands, and restrictions on Ukranian sovereignty, but a long way short of initial demands. Putin knows that he cannot sustain this war much longer, and cannot end it without at least a pretence of victory.
This is an attempt at the treaty of Brest-Litovsk that preceeds the treaty of Versailles, with Putin as Kaiser Bill wanting one last roll of the dice.
Great header Sean, lots to think about.
In reality this deal written by the Russians and passed off as the work of Trump shows quite a lot of acceptance by Russia that they will not achieve their initial war aims. Yes, there are further territorial demands, and restrictions on Ukranian sovereignty, but a long way short of initial demands. Putin knows that he cannot sustain this war much longer, and cannot end it without at least a pretence of victory.
This is an attempt at the treaty of Brest-Litovsk that preceeds the treaty of Versailles, with Putin as Kaiser Bill wanting one last roll of the dice.
Great header Sean, lots to think about.
Foxy
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Re: Russia Today and the Fremen Mirage – politicalbetting.com
Trying to force a deal is blowing up in their faces. They will have to back off. The damage this is doing *to the US* is increasingly serious.All manner of fucked up briefing going on in the US.From the senate press conference:
What's pretty clear is that this was essentially a 'plan' written by Russia, which the US tried to force Ukraine into accepting.
Someone in the administration (not entirely clear who) leaked it to Axios.
It was strongly (and publicly after the leak - see his posts on X) advocated for by Vance, and the faction around him, and spun as a plan authored by the US after 'input' from Russia and Ukraine.
We know, obviously, that there was little or no negotiation with Ukraine, and very public talks between the US (Witkoff) and Russia.
And that neither Europe nor the UK were informed or consulted at all.
Once public, there was almost universal outcry and condemnation from Ukraine's allies.
And now Rubio is briefing GOP and Democratic senators this.
King: According to Secretary Rubio, this plan is not the administration’s position — it is essentially the Russians’ wish list that is now being presented to the Europeans and to the Ukrainians.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1992407926037000619
SenatorRounds confirms that the 28 point plan was delivered to @SEPeaceMissions
: "This was a proposal which was received by someone who has identified and they believed to be representing Russia in this proposal. It was given to @SteveWitkoff..
https://x.com/nickschifrin/status/1992364072860582183
And now from the Deputy Spokesman at Rubio's State Department:
This is blatantly false. *
As Secretary Rubio and the entire Administration has consistently maintained, this plan was authored by the United States, with input from both the Russians and Ukrainians.
https://x.com/StateDeputySpox/status/1992400253547651236
*It clearly isn't blatantly false.
Cicero
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Re: Russia Today and the Fremen Mirage – politicalbetting.com
That's a cracking article, @Sean_F and I'm so sorry I need to go out even before reading it properly. But thank you & I look forward to reading it later today. You'll probably be on the next thread by then.
Have a good day, everyone.
Have a good day, everyone.
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Re: Russia Today and the Fremen Mirage – politicalbetting.com
All manner of fucked up briefing going on in the US.
What's pretty clear is that this was essentially a 'plan' written by Russia, which the US tried to force Ukraine into accepting.
Someone in the administration (not entirely clear who) leaked it to Axios.
It was strongly (and publicly after the leak - see his posts on X) advocated for by Vance, and the faction around him, and spun as a plan authored by the US after 'input' from Russia and Ukraine.
We know, obviously, that there was little or no negotiation with Ukraine, and very public talks between the US (Witkoff) and Russia.
And that neither Europe nor the UK were informed or consulted at all.
Once public, there was almost universal outcry and condemnation from Ukraine's allies.
And now Rubio is briefing GOP and Democratic senators this.
King: According to Secretary Rubio, this plan is not the administration’s position — it is essentially the Russians’ wish list that is now being presented to the Europeans and to the Ukrainians.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1992407926037000619
What's pretty clear is that this was essentially a 'plan' written by Russia, which the US tried to force Ukraine into accepting.
Someone in the administration (not entirely clear who) leaked it to Axios.
It was strongly (and publicly after the leak - see his posts on X) advocated for by Vance, and the faction around him, and spun as a plan authored by the US after 'input' from Russia and Ukraine.
We know, obviously, that there was little or no negotiation with Ukraine, and very public talks between the US (Witkoff) and Russia.
And that neither Europe nor the UK were informed or consulted at all.
Once public, there was almost universal outcry and condemnation from Ukraine's allies.
And now Rubio is briefing GOP and Democratic senators this.
King: According to Secretary Rubio, this plan is not the administration’s position — it is essentially the Russians’ wish list that is now being presented to the Europeans and to the Ukrainians.
https://x.com/Acyn/status/1992407926037000619
Nigelb
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Re: Russia Today and the Fremen Mirage – politicalbetting.com
Today’s Rawnsley is on the under-commented efforts by a handful of Lords to filibuster the nationally popular AD legislation, and the wider challenges the HoL is giving the government:It's a Private Members' Bill not a Government Bill, so of course the Government is not going to call out what's going on. In truth, it's a poorly drafted Bill that saw the largest proportionate drop in support between 2nd and 3rd readings of any recent legislation as MPs woke up to that. The Lords are doing their job.
The passage of time has turned the peers, especially those of the Tory variety, bolshie. As the government has become increasingly unpopular, the Lords have waxed more aggressive about attacking Labour’s programme. They are much more powerful from a constitutional point of view than is generally appreciated because they can eat up huge amounts of parliamentary time and ministerial energy.
Almost entirely unreported in the media, anti-government peers have been dragging out proceedings and bogging down legislation for months. Labour might have a massive majority in the Commons, but in the bloated Lords it has just a quarter of the members eligible to attend proceedings.
Law and precedent are supposed to curb the unelected house’s capacity to make mischief. The Salisbury Convention holds that peers should not thwart a government when it is fulfilling a manifesto commitment, as Labour is with both the employment rights bill and the removal of the hereditaries.
Members of the Lords have put forward more than 1,000 proposed changes to the law to facilitate assisted dying. Hundreds of these amendments are apparently the work of just seven opponents of the legislation. Assisted dying is a complex and contentious issue that merits detailed scrutiny. It is a different matter if procedural sabotage is the intent. The Lib Dem peer Lord Goddard warned his fellow peers that they had “a duty” to treat the bill “with respect, not disdain, not threatening to derail it or run it out of time”.
More than one minister I’ve spoken to is bewildered that Number 10 seems reluctant to call out the delaying antics and wrecking tactics of vandals in ermine. I am similarly baffled that the government isn’t making more noise about it.
Re: Russia Today and the Fremen Mirage – politicalbetting.com
One of the (many) things that disgusts me about pro-Russia types, is the argument that Western people are being required to make big sacrifices. All we’re being asked to do is empty our pockets of loose change.Though the mithering in the west is a step back from that.Fascinating read, thank you Sean F.There is still, I think, in this country, a willingness among part of the elite to take part in military service, which does not apply everywhere.
A couple of points:
Yes, civilised democracies are not necessarily losers; but they can be. The civilised democracy experiment is new. What, I think, it needs to maintain is not a Sparta culture but a substantial 'warrior class' and also a 'warrior ethos' throughout the majority of the population. Through most of my life this has been marginalised and treated by most of the middle class as if it is a matter mostly to be delegated to other groups and other nations, especially the USA, and other means, especially the nuclear deterrent. The evidence that the UK population is really willing for massive sacrifice in place of surrender is not strong and I only have to look into myself to see that.
Second, and changing the subject, the article ends with the ringing words:
“In crises, the most daring course is often safest.”
By the end of the week we will perhaps know if the current government has heeded the message. If the budget does a 1981 and cuts spending, raises taxes and explains the fiscal plan and how delusional we have been since 2008 then Labour may have a chance of regaining credibility.
The battlefield must be a terrifying place. But as ever, if you want peace, you must prepare for war.
We're mostly not being asked to throw ourselves onto the battlefield, just to stump up the cash to produce the machines for the Ukrainians to use.
We've been reluctant to do that for a while. Alan Clark's Diaries note how his Defence Review was the only way John Major was going to be able to afford tax cuts.
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Re: Russia Today and the Fremen Mirage – politicalbetting.com
The hard times/strong men thing is something of a meme in certain corners of the right wing manosphere. Leaving aside the observation that a lot of that space is bots agreeing with what a handful of humans are putting out, who benefits from that meme?
I'd go with thwarted wannabe alphas- the ones who think that in a proper world, they would automatically be top, but they aren't. The kind who get cross when a jumped up nobody with a lanyard blocks their way. Add gross sex, you get Andrew Tate. Scale it up to a national government, you get Russia.
Trouble is, it doesn't work, not even in warfare. In wars, the richer side usually wins. And counties get rich by all that boring wet stuff about the rule of law being better than the law of the jungle.
I'd go with thwarted wannabe alphas- the ones who think that in a proper world, they would automatically be top, but they aren't. The kind who get cross when a jumped up nobody with a lanyard blocks their way. Add gross sex, you get Andrew Tate. Scale it up to a national government, you get Russia.
Trouble is, it doesn't work, not even in warfare. In wars, the richer side usually wins. And counties get rich by all that boring wet stuff about the rule of law being better than the law of the jungle.
Re: Russia Today and the Fremen Mirage – politicalbetting.com
Wow, a SeanF thread piece! What a treat on a Sunday morning.
Thanks Sean, I love the history lesson, and agree with the conclusion. More please.
Thanks Sean, I love the history lesson, and agree with the conclusion. More please.

