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Re: Kemi Badenoch bashes the bishops but the public disagrees with her – politicalbetting.com
Fpt
Ukraine has really had a shitty time of it. One of the most dumped-on nations in history.
Decimated by deliberate famine under Stalin, one of the biggest sources of war dead in WW2, under the Soviet yoke for decades culminating in bearing the brunt of the Chernobyl tragedy, run like a Mafia state post independence by a series of the most corrupt governments anywhere in the post Soviet sphere, then ground down by Russian aggression for a decade, subject to a bloody and ruinous invasion, and now sold down the river for money by the USA.
Ukraine has really had a shitty time of it. One of the most dumped-on nations in history.
Decimated by deliberate famine under Stalin, one of the biggest sources of war dead in WW2, under the Soviet yoke for decades culminating in bearing the brunt of the Chernobyl tragedy, run like a Mafia state post independence by a series of the most corrupt governments anywhere in the post Soviet sphere, then ground down by Russian aggression for a decade, subject to a bloody and ruinous invasion, and now sold down the river for money by the USA.
MelonB
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Re: Perceptions versus reality – politicalbetting.com
@ChristopherJMSurely now’s the time for Europe to grow a spine, stand up and say this deal is unacceptable
BREAKING: President Zelenskyy addressed Ukrainians from outside his presidencial office in Kyiv and told them the county is facing “one of the most difficult moments in our history” as its biggest ally presses it into a deal with the nation that has fought to destroy it for 11 years.
“Now the pressure on Ukraine is one of the most difficult. Now Ukraine may find itself facing a very difficult choice - either the loss of dignity, or the risk of losing a key partner. Either [the Trump administration] 28 points, or an extremely difficult winter, the most difficult and further risks. Life without freedom, without dignity, without justice and for us to believe the one who has attacked twice already. They will expect an answer from us.”
https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1991887141090054644?s=20
Taz
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Re: Perceptions versus reality – politicalbetting.com
Ten and a half years seems a bit excessive for Gill. Jail time maybe for taking some bribes from the Russians but even some who kill by dangerous driving or manslaughter or rapists get less time in jail than that.No, I don't think it's because he was Reform. It's because he was a Traitor.
Is it because he was Reform? One hopes not
Re: Perceptions versus reality – politicalbetting.com
For @Mexicanpete and you were right to draw attention to Gill's unacceptable behavior against UKs interests
Listening to the judge I do not think the extent of his pro Putin anti Ukraine activities are well known to the public
I hope this is widely covered by the UK media - it is shocking
Listening to the judge I do not think the extent of his pro Putin anti Ukraine activities are well known to the public
I hope this is widely covered by the UK media - it is shocking
Re: Perceptions versus reality – politicalbetting.com
The answer to that is very obvious. Extremely rich people pay billions for media, traditional and social, to lie to us.And very on topic, if the question of the day is "why do voters believe things that just aren't true"?"Returning to London after a year in the countryside, the signs of societal collapse are everywhere - even at 7amIf you don't believe the judgment of the many pb-ers who live in London and none of whom even vaguely recognise this societal collapse, perhaps consider the judgment of the free market? People are still willing to pay half a million quid for a small two bed flat or a million quid for an ordinary terraced house in much of London, why would they do so if it was so bad?
By Amanda Williams"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-15311313/london-societal-collapse-amanda-williams.html
It is bonkers, outright fiction.
Re: Perceptions versus reality – politicalbetting.com
"Returning to London after a year in the countryside, the signs of societal collapse are everywhere - even at 7amIf you don't believe the judgment of the many pb-ers who live in London and none of whom even vaguely recognise this societal collapse, perhaps consider the judgment of the free market? People are still willing to pay half a million quid for a small two bed flat or a million quid for an ordinary terraced house in much of London, why would they do so if it was so bad?
By Amanda Williams"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-15311313/london-societal-collapse-amanda-williams.html
It is bonkers, outright fiction.
Re: Perceptions versus reality – politicalbetting.com
And, SFAICS, Europe/EU/EuroNATO is sitting around taking for granted that it is the USA's job, not our job to fix a decent peace between Russia and Ukraine, when this is our continent's war and the USA bias is obvious.I'd say European leaders have, on the whole, done a pretty good job over my 60-year lifetime. Democracy has spread throughout most of the continent, we still have some of the best standards of living in the world, and very few of us have had to fight or die in wars.I find it hard to understand the timidity of European leaders (among which, I include my own country’s). When reading about the 1930’s, I used to ask myself “how could they be so cowardly and stupid?” The question still applies.This seems...not good.Combine that story with the story about the Dutch chipmaker and you have a picture of how Europe is at the mercy of both the US and China. And compared to those two, Russia should be easy, but Europe isn't really dealing with the war with Russia with much in the way of decisiveness and strength.
https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1991352574390227129?s=20
Edit: Ah, I just read the tweet that started this thread. I agree, that is appaling.
Re: Perceptions versus reality – politicalbetting.com
"Returning to London after a year in the countryside, the signs of societal collapse are everywhere - even at 7amLol. What a load of crap.
By Amanda Williams"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-15311313/london-societal-collapse-amanda-williams.html
Re: Perceptions versus reality – politicalbetting.com
The new Irish foreign and defence minister said yesterday, "Ireland has always stood resolutely with Ukraine, and that certainly won't change."I find it hard to understand the timidity of European leaders (among which, I include my own country’s). When reading about the 1930’s, I used to ask myself “how could they be so cowardly and stupid?” The question still applies.This seems...not good.Combine that story with the story about the Dutch chipmaker and you have a picture of how Europe is at the mercy of both the US and China. And compared to those two, Russia should be easy, but Europe isn't really dealing with the war with Russia with much in the way of decisiveness and strength.
https://x.com/RnaudBertrand/status/1991352574390227129?s=20
Ireland is resolutely neutral and has refused to provide any lethal equipment to Ukraine. It could afford to spend a lot of money paying for Ukraine to manufacture its own weapons, or buying them from the Americans for Ukraine, but its notions of neutrality are more important than its resolve to help defend a fellow European country from Imperial aggression.
The dishonesty, naivety and complacency in Ireland's position on Ukraine is maddening.
