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My friend Lauren will physically transition to be physically female. By which point I would hope that even the most strident activists wouldn't be demanding that a biologically transformed woman be denied entry to certain toilets etc.

I think that's naive. The entire point of the Supreme Court ruling was that i) one's status is settled at birth and does not change, and ii) single-sex spaces are based on the status at birth. There is no "my friend Lauren" exception.

As I pointed out to you the other day, if somebody like "my friend Lauren" used a single-sex female toilet, then the organizers of that toilet could be sued and under the new ruling the organizers would lose.

Perhaps more toilets will be converted into unisex, which has occurred in an M&S near us?

Will trans men be forced to use female toilets? Will females be upset by them as well?

That is a question. This is Balian Buschbaum, a pole vaulter.



Do you think Balian should be using the male or female toilets?

It is an interesting question. I agree with the judgement - to have concluded anything else would be to indulge in a fantasy. However, I still maintain that in toilet and changing facilities, the rule should be thus:

1. Ladies Loos
Women, surgically transitioned MTF transsexuals.
2. Mens Loos
Men, surgically transitioned FTM transsexuals.
3. Disabled Loos
Everyone already permitted, and those in transition

Some form of id would be granted to fully transitioned transsexuals after their reassignment is complete to show in the case of challenge. Another form might be required for those in transition in the case of challenge there, though I suspect that would be non-existent, as we all understand someone using a disabled loo might not look physically disabled.

I surmise that the risk of sexual assault to women from biological men but living as women and without a penis, would be virtually nothing. I am open for the reverse to be shown. I suspect it's probably the same risk as from other women.

I appreciate that that is me as a man trying to dictate who goes in women's spaces, but it is just an opinion.

This is not a supporting argument, but there is a historical precedent of emasculated males sharing women's spaces - eunuchs in harems.

I think that by pushing this, trans activists have polarised the debate and actually put fully-transitioned MTF transsexuals in a worse position than they were in before, which is a common characteristic of all such activist grifters.

...I can see a world of difference between people who are seriously and medically altering their bodies to become the gender they believe they really are, and a bloke wearing a frock and a wig...

...Perhaps a certificate to recognise the ressignment of gender would have been useful to distinguish between the two groups. But after the Supreme Court decision it appears such an instrument bestows no rights enforceable in a court...

I've mostly kept out of this debate. I don't understand the strength of dismay of the Trans community - the Supreme Court hasn't overturned anything, merely ruled on what the law is. It doesn't have to stand for all time.

Personally I am happy with the ruling as frankly it is a statement of the obvious but sometimes the obvious needs saying. I am happy too that my daughters, should they need it, will be able to benefit from the security of a women only space, free from the risk of a man gaining access by self-declaring as a woman and "putting on a frock" as Rochdale puts it in his colourful way. And female sport is secure.

At the same time there is clearly a gap in the law for people who have undergone gender reassignment surgery. I have no difficulty in accepting that they are the sex they have become, which it appears the law currently rejects. So once the dust has settled some further thought will be needed about how to address that, if there is a consensus for change.

If you’ve read Cyclefree’s header & still think nothing has changed than I have a lovely bridge in the middle of London you might be interested in. Going cheap!

I’m selling my collection of Budgies.

They’re going cheep.

There has been a massive amount of trans hatred online over the last couple of days.

Anyone who denies trans people exist, or want to make being trans impossible, can fuck right off.

Getting your panties in a bunch Josias, calm down dear.

Nah, not really.

Seriously Malc; you should read some of the stuff that's out there. If this continues another trans person will end up being killed.

This is the new world, where trans people are all just pretending. Hence the very deliberate language in the header about “sad trans identified men”. The sneery dismissal oozing out, which reminds me a little of the Russian attitude to “so called Ukrainians” with their pretend country.

It’s like the olden days when being gay was “just a phase”.

Hope this is a sign @Cyclefree is feeling a bit better.

Absolutely, and it's a powerful piece. I feel like I sit at the crossroads on this issue. I have a wife and a daughter and have seen and heard too many examples of men who tret women and girls as chattel. Protecting women from the predatory nature of certain men is something I actively support.

I also have involvement in the trans area. I'm bisexual so I'm part of the LGBTetc community. My eldest (non-binary but biologically male) had a trans boyfriend for a while and they're still close friends. A former colleague and good friend is a trans woman saving up for surgery.

My basic rule with rights is that if they trample on the human rights of other people they aren't rights. I support both the need for female spaces (my wife despises open changing even when everyone has the same genitalia) and to provide dignity and respect for people who genuinely have dysmorphia and are medically working their way through transition.

The problem with the trans debate is the screaming extremists at both ends of the spectrum. Absolutism is usually wrong - issues are not black and white and this one is no different. I do have to float a question though - in the race to be inclusive have we not lost sight of who we are being inclusive of?

I can see a world of difference between people who are seriously and medically altering their bodies to become the gender they believe they really are, and a bloke wearing a frock and a wig. But the trans rights row seems to lump everyone together.

Renaud Camus, of “great replacement” fame, is banned from entering the UK.

https://x.com/renaudcamus/status/1912916580876398951

Oh oh, latest news : “Your presence in the UK is not considered to be conducive to the public good... ” — interdiction d’accès.

Queue people who demand the border is controlled and that others get turned away getting outraged that the border is controlled and someone is being turned away.

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Cue.
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My dyslexic daughter considers the word 'queue' the most ridiculous word in the language. 80% of it is superfluous.

Not superfluous at all. 'Queue' distinguishes itself clearly from 'cue', 'Kew' and 'q'. So that you can be on cue for the queue to get into Kew Gardens while minding your ps and qs. The alternative is linguistic qaos. And greetings to your daughter.