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Re: Kemi Badenoch bashes the bishops but the public disagrees with her – politicalbetting.com
A niche view.Trump the worst president? He's not even the worst president of the 2020s.And Trump withdraws the use of all US made weaponry across Ukraine and the EUSo reject it and the EU step up and support rather than tokenismBecause he acts as Putin’s butt boy.More than Trump doesn’t mean it’s adequateMore than Trump.FptSo what’s your beloved EU doing to support it ?
Ukraine has really had a shitty time of it. One of the most dumped-on nations in history.
Decimated by deliberate famine under Stalin, one of the biggest sources of war dead in WW2, under the Soviet yoke for decades culminating in bearing the brunt of the Chernobyl tragedy, run like a Mafia state post independence by a series of the most corrupt governments anywhere in the post Soviet sphere, then ground down by Russian aggression for a decade, subject to a bloody and ruinous invasion, and now sold down the river for money by the USA.
Still not enough but at least they are not selling them down the river like the US are at the moment.
On a day that a British politician was rightfully imprisoned for taking bribes from Russia it is a shame to think that Trump will never receive a similar sentence for the same crime but on a much larger scale.
This deal, it it’s as described, is diabolical and the European nations need to step up over this, peace at all costs is simply surrender
You’re usually a rational poster. What proof do you have Trump is a Russian asset ?
This proposal is easy to reject, as Ukraine would cease to exist as an independent country.
Trump has all the cards, but history will record him as not only US worst president but a malign influence across the world
Nigelb
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Re: Kemi Badenoch bashes the bishops but the public disagrees with her – politicalbetting.com
So, you think Biden was worse? Are you completely bonkers? The US still had the rule of law under Biden. The US still had friendly relations with its allies under Biden.Trump the worst president? He's not even the worst president of the 2020s.And Trump withdraws the use of all US made weaponry across Ukraine and the EUSo reject it and the EU step up and support rather than tokenismBecause he acts as Putin’s butt boy.More than Trump doesn’t mean it’s adequateMore than Trump.FptSo what’s your beloved EU doing to support it ?
Ukraine has really had a shitty time of it. One of the most dumped-on nations in history.
Decimated by deliberate famine under Stalin, one of the biggest sources of war dead in WW2, under the Soviet yoke for decades culminating in bearing the brunt of the Chernobyl tragedy, run like a Mafia state post independence by a series of the most corrupt governments anywhere in the post Soviet sphere, then ground down by Russian aggression for a decade, subject to a bloody and ruinous invasion, and now sold down the river for money by the USA.
Still not enough but at least they are not selling them down the river like the US are at the moment.
On a day that a British politician was rightfully imprisoned for taking bribes from Russia it is a shame to think that Trump will never receive a similar sentence for the same crime but on a much larger scale.
This deal, it it’s as described, is diabolical and the European nations need to step up over this, peace at all costs is simply surrender
You’re usually a rational poster. What proof do you have Trump is a Russian asset ?
This proposal is easy to reject, as Ukraine would cease to exist as an independent country.
Trump has all the cards, but history will record him as not only US worst president but a malign influence across the world
Re: Kemi Badenoch bashes the bishops but the public disagrees with her – politicalbetting.com
All the decisions concerning Poland will be taken by Poles. Nothing about us without us. When it comes to peace, all the negotiations should include Ukraine. Nothing about Ukraine without Ukraine.
https://x.com/donaldtusk/status/1991835610877943812
https://x.com/donaldtusk/status/1991835610877943812
Nigelb
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Re: Kemi Badenoch bashes the bishops but the public disagrees with her – politicalbetting.com
Snark even now. On this subject. Tiresome.FptSo what’s your beloved EU doing to support it ?
Ukraine has really had a shitty time of it. One of the most dumped-on nations in history.
Decimated by deliberate famine under Stalin, one of the biggest sources of war dead in WW2, under the Soviet yoke for decades culminating in bearing the brunt of the Chernobyl tragedy, run like a Mafia state post independence by a series of the most corrupt governments anywhere in the post Soviet sphere, then ground down by Russian aggression for a decade, subject to a bloody and ruinous invasion, and now sold down the river for money by the USA.
The answer (though why do I bother?) is it’s done a huge amount with sanctions and asset seizures thought it could do more, and militarily it varies by member state (see military spending on Ukraine by the Baltic states then compare it to PB heartthrob Meloni’s Italy), because military support is a state level responsibility.
MelonB
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Re: Kemi Badenoch bashes the bishops but the public disagrees with her – politicalbetting.com
I have followed the Gill case in some detail. I can't help feeling in my water that Gill was anything but a lone wolf. I just can't pinpoint who else might have been involved.More than Trump.FptSo what’s your beloved EU doing to support it ?
Ukraine has really had a shitty time of it. One of the most dumped-on nations in history.
Decimated by deliberate famine under Stalin, one of the biggest sources of war dead in WW2, under the Soviet yoke for decades culminating in bearing the brunt of the Chernobyl tragedy, run like a Mafia state post independence by a series of the most corrupt governments anywhere in the post Soviet sphere, then ground down by Russian aggression for a decade, subject to a bloody and ruinous invasion, and now sold down the river for money by the USA.
Still not enough but at least they are not selling them down the river like the US are at the moment.
On a day that a British politician was rightfully imprisoned for taking bribes from Russia it is a shame to think that Trump will never receive a similar sentence for the same crime but on a much larger scale.
And as for those PB right wingers crying into their beer because a kindred spirit has been thrown to the dogs by the judicial system, he deserved every day of his ten and a half year sentence (5 and 1/4 really).
Re: Kemi Badenoch bashes the bishops but the public disagrees with her – politicalbetting.com
I hope Trump’s grandchildren find themselves changing their surname to escape the connection because it will mean that eventually Americans had seen through the disgusting. Venal sack of shit that he is. This attempted sell out of Ukraine should live in infamy when people discuss the worst US presidents.She was but I'll still take her over Tump, she would never have sold out Ukraine like this.Harris was a dreadful candidate.FptBig and slow handclap for all those [moderated] who said Trump would be better for Ukraine than Harris.
Ukraine has really had a shitty time of it. One of the most dumped-on nations in history.
Decimated by deliberate famine under Stalin, one of the biggest sources of war dead in WW2, under the Soviet yoke for decades culminating in bearing the brunt of the Chernobyl tragedy, run like a Mafia state post independence by a series of the most corrupt governments anywhere in the post Soviet sphere, then ground down by Russian aggression for a decade, subject to a bloody and ruinous invasion, and now sold down the river for money by the USA.
boulay
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Re: Kemi Badenoch bashes the bishops but the public disagrees with her – politicalbetting.com
More than Trump.FptSo what’s your beloved EU doing to support it ?
Ukraine has really had a shitty time of it. One of the most dumped-on nations in history.
Decimated by deliberate famine under Stalin, one of the biggest sources of war dead in WW2, under the Soviet yoke for decades culminating in bearing the brunt of the Chernobyl tragedy, run like a Mafia state post independence by a series of the most corrupt governments anywhere in the post Soviet sphere, then ground down by Russian aggression for a decade, subject to a bloody and ruinous invasion, and now sold down the river for money by the USA.
Still not enough but at least they are not selling them down the river like the US are at the moment.
On a day that a British politician was rightfully imprisoned for taking bribes from Russia it is a shame to think that Trump will never receive a similar sentence for the same crime but on a much larger scale.
Re: Kemi Badenoch bashes the bishops but the public disagrees with her – politicalbetting.com
FptBig and slow handclap for all those [moderated] who said Trump would be better for Ukraine than Harris.
Ukraine has really had a shitty time of it. One of the most dumped-on nations in history.
Decimated by deliberate famine under Stalin, one of the biggest sources of war dead in WW2, under the Soviet yoke for decades culminating in bearing the brunt of the Chernobyl tragedy, run like a Mafia state post independence by a series of the most corrupt governments anywhere in the post Soviet sphere, then ground down by Russian aggression for a decade, subject to a bloody and ruinous invasion, and now sold down the river for money by the USA.
Re: Kemi Badenoch bashes the bishops but the public disagrees with her – politicalbetting.com
Fpt
Ukraine has really had a shitty time of it. One of the most dumped-on nations in history.
Decimated by deliberate famine under Stalin, one of the biggest sources of war dead in WW2, under the Soviet yoke for decades culminating in bearing the brunt of the Chernobyl tragedy, run like a Mafia state post independence by a series of the most corrupt governments anywhere in the post Soviet sphere, then ground down by Russian aggression for a decade, subject to a bloody and ruinous invasion, and now sold down the river for money by the USA.
Ukraine has really had a shitty time of it. One of the most dumped-on nations in history.
Decimated by deliberate famine under Stalin, one of the biggest sources of war dead in WW2, under the Soviet yoke for decades culminating in bearing the brunt of the Chernobyl tragedy, run like a Mafia state post independence by a series of the most corrupt governments anywhere in the post Soviet sphere, then ground down by Russian aggression for a decade, subject to a bloody and ruinous invasion, and now sold down the river for money by the USA.
MelonB
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Re: Perceptions versus reality – politicalbetting.com
@ChristopherJMSurely now’s the time for Europe to grow a spine, stand up and say this deal is unacceptable
BREAKING: President Zelenskyy addressed Ukrainians from outside his presidencial office in Kyiv and told them the county is facing “one of the most difficult moments in our history” as its biggest ally presses it into a deal with the nation that has fought to destroy it for 11 years.
“Now the pressure on Ukraine is one of the most difficult. Now Ukraine may find itself facing a very difficult choice - either the loss of dignity, or the risk of losing a key partner. Either [the Trump administration] 28 points, or an extremely difficult winter, the most difficult and further risks. Life without freedom, without dignity, without justice and for us to believe the one who has attacked twice already. They will expect an answer from us.”
https://x.com/ChristopherJM/status/1991887141090054644?s=20
Taz
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