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Re: A plurality of voters think gambling taxes are too low – politicalbetting.com
It's more complex - it's a question of how you view gambling. Some see it as an addiction, others don't. It's a bit like alcohol, I suppose.Yep. Handing over cash is more real than tapping in numbers online. And the idea a problem gambler will have less of a problem if their only avenue is online (especially offshore sites with less commitment to responsible gambling tools) is optimism to a stupid extent.Not to mention that if every country where betting is banned, you get illegal betting. Which is the basis of organised crime, usually."A plurality of voters" can go fuck themselves. Taxing an industry into oblivion is illogical. We are a bad country.Now, now, we are always being told majorities are right about everything and policy should be dictated by what the people want via focus groups, elections, surveys etc.
There's a perception out there bookmakers and similar have grown fat on the proceeds from the poor punters (winners at 100/1 and 200/1 and Ascot on Saturday give that some marginal credence).
I've always been of the view the Lottery is a stealth tax on the poor - the chances of anyone winning that life-changing mount are infinitesimal (up there with either the Conservatives or Liberal Democrats forming a majority Government after the next election) yet people try twice a week plus the awful scratch cards.
Back to betting shops - they look like the only shops on many High Streets with money. They look bright, inviting and modern in contrast to much of the retail estate around them. They are open from 7.30am to 10pm every day and it seems no High Street can survive without seven or eight of them (if not more). In East Ham, we lost our Hills but still have two Ladbrokes, two BetFred, two Paddy Powers and a Jenningsbet and we aren't the wealthiest area in the world.
Perhaps there's a bit of neo-puritanism out there I don't know but as a punter I can see how it looks and we know the damage addiction to the FOBTs can cause not just to the addict but to those around them. We are already hearing the bleating from Fred Done and others and their unsubtle threats but that's how politics operates now - by threat. Propose anything and those affected threaten all sorts as a way to dissuade policy makers.
One of the metrics for alcohol pricing/tax is the amount of fake booze that shows up. A few years back there was a spike in people being poisoned by fake vodka. The government responded by not increasing taxes on hard alcohol for a couple of years IIRC.
Meanwhile, the workers in those shops will lose their jobs, sacrificed on a puritanical and innumerate altar of outrage.
If the Government actually wanted to make a significant step in this area they'd ban loot boxes. But as that would require a basic understanding of something related to technology that won't happen.
Those who have first hand experience of the impacts of those addictions will have a different view.
A lot of Fred Done's comments are threats, bluff and bluster. Yes, he may close a few shops but they will be the ones which are losing money - the betting shop estate, like all other retail estates, is a mix of profitable and unprofitable shops and the Government are providing cover for the bookmakers to divest themselves of the unprofitable parts of their estate.
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Re: A plurality of voters think gambling taxes are too low – politicalbetting.com
If the general public are anything like me, they haven't a clue what taxes there are on gambling, because they don't gamble. And I frequent PB!
Good morning, everybody.
Good morning, everybody.
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Re: A plurality of voters think gambling taxes are too low – politicalbetting.com
I think the decline in bricks and mortar retail has a lot to do with people's sense of alienation and national decline, Gove is right. The best way to counter this is to build high density housing. Living in densely populated inner London I have observed that our high streets (Brockley, Nunhead, Peckham, Lewsham), though not without their issues, are in a far better state than those in suburban areas or small towns. The sheer volume of footfall we have, owing to population density, must be a factor.I think Michael Gove was talking recently about the importance of the high street to voters, the feeling that empty shops and gambling shops show country is in decline even if broader economy has a different pictureNon gamblers don't generally mind higher taxes on someone else. Most gamblers don't have any idea how gambling tax works, and anyway regard gambling as a form of entertainment for which a price is paid, with no question of overall making profits (which will remain untaxed!); any gamblers who make big money regularly will gamble offshore.It is not that simple. There are an awful lot of anti-gamblers who see high street betting shops and online casinos as blights on their communities and a menace to society. For them, raising taxes is not about raising money, it is about ending gambling. Like fags.
The real question for the CoE is how to keep a decent slice of the whole industry within UK tax system by ensuring it is overall competitive with Abroadland. There is an obvious logical problem about taxing gambling anyway - it automatically affects the odds setter who need a greater margin simply to break even, which if pushed far enough destroys the economic model of legal gambling, encouraging the illegal market. A bit like fags costing £150 for 20.
Re: A plurality of voters think gambling taxes are too low – politicalbetting.com
Just a thought, but if
Income Tax
Capital Gains Tax
Employees' National Insurance Contributions (NICs)
Inheritance Tax (IHT)
Indirect Taxes & Duties
Value Added Tax
Insurance Premium Tax
Excise Duties
Stamp Duty
Property/Land Taxes
Council Tax
Landfill Tax
Income Tax for Sole Traders
Taxes on Dividends
Council Tax
Tax on Vehicles
Corporation Tax
Employers' NICs
etc etc etc
still leave the government with a huge deficit and no growth, just maybe the problem is spending?
But our dismal government has failed completely to keep that under control.
Income Tax
Capital Gains Tax
Employees' National Insurance Contributions (NICs)
Inheritance Tax (IHT)
Indirect Taxes & Duties
Value Added Tax
Insurance Premium Tax
Excise Duties
Stamp Duty
Property/Land Taxes
Council Tax
Landfill Tax
Income Tax for Sole Traders
Taxes on Dividends
Council Tax
Tax on Vehicles
Corporation Tax
Employers' NICs
etc etc etc
still leave the government with a huge deficit and no growth, just maybe the problem is spending?
But our dismal government has failed completely to keep that under control.
Fishing
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Re: What we think about our leaders – politicalbetting.com
On topic.
These word-clouds are pretty damning, but not just of the leaders themselves, but also of the public. We seem incapable of understanding that much of politics is boring, and that following the rules is boring, listening to people appears weak etc.
In an attention deficit world we want endless entertainment and action, whether it is appropriate or not.
These word-clouds are pretty damning, but not just of the leaders themselves, but also of the public. We seem incapable of understanding that much of politics is boring, and that following the rules is boring, listening to people appears weak etc.
In an attention deficit world we want endless entertainment and action, whether it is appropriate or not.
Foxy
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Re: What we think about our leaders – politicalbetting.com
Quite a lot of CEOs *are* pretty stupid.It is amazing, you're quite right. But that's more about something we think of being rich in ourselves actually being a pretty formulaic thing. Just because it seems to be almost human (but far better informed) makes LLM a substantial dead end that everyone is piling in to. My view anyway.LLMs have a variety of uses where they're very useful, they're an interesting technology that absolutely does have a future. But, yes, they are not human-type or human-level intelligences the AI industry portrays them as and they never will be.
They will continue to improve in the areas they are already useful in, but anyone expecting them to ever function like a human mind are going to be disappointed. All those CEOs rushing to replace their employees with LLMs are going to look pretty stupid.
It was a constant refrain of Cyclefree that rather too many of them confused the value of their chair with the value of their input when negotiating their salaries.
ydoethur
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Re: What we think about our leaders – politicalbetting.com
There goes any last justification for the Chagos deal.
Time to tell Mauritius to do one.
China is now eyeing a lease of one of the Chagos Islands, Peros Banhos from Mauritius - beside Diego Garcia.
The 'deal' hasn't been ratified by the UK Parliament, yet Mauritius, India, and China plan to carve them up.
This deal must be scrapped - once and for all.
https://x.com/RobertMidgley07/status/1980253439868142003
Time to tell Mauritius to do one.
China is now eyeing a lease of one of the Chagos Islands, Peros Banhos from Mauritius - beside Diego Garcia.
The 'deal' hasn't been ratified by the UK Parliament, yet Mauritius, India, and China plan to carve them up.
This deal must be scrapped - once and for all.
https://x.com/RobertMidgley07/status/1980253439868142003
Nigelb
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Re: What we think about our leaders – politicalbetting.com
Bit late in the day, but Luke 15:7 surely applies ?
My Last Day as an Accomplice of the Republican Party
Why I’m leaving the GOP and why I’m urging my former colleagues to do the same.
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/my-last-day-as-an-accomplice-of-the-republican-party-miles-bruner
My Last Day as an Accomplice of the Republican Party
Why I’m leaving the GOP and why I’m urging my former colleagues to do the same.
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/my-last-day-as-an-accomplice-of-the-republican-party-miles-bruner
Nigelb
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Re: What we think about our leaders – politicalbetting.com
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At about 10am the first of plenty of antibiotics had started to kick in and I was feeling a little more comfortable. I then saw the A&E consultant who actually listened to what I told him about my ailments, and reviewed my file and the scans. He noticed what appeared to be an abscess between my lung and my ribcage and said that infected spot was almost certainly causing the pain
Since then the rest of the antibiotics seem to have worked and my chest pain has almost entirely gone. Even though the hospital tried to stress me out by making me move beds twice in the next two hours, I’ve been laughing about it (which doesn’t hurt). I’ve ended up in a ward with three geriatrics; two of them use commodes, the third shits accidentally and swears about it. They’re all rude to the nurses. It shouldn’t be a happy place, but I’m so relieved I can’t stop smiling
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Re: What we think about our leaders – politicalbetting.com
A lot of the Met are.I think the concept is abhorrent. Should never have been created. You might as well just call them ‘shame markers’ and make the culprit where a badge.https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyp1gk0n23oThe description implies they are known before being investigated not to be crimes.
Bye bye Non Crime Hate Incidents. Well, partially. They won't be investigated but it looks like they may still be recorded. The article is not quite clear.
The police should be there for crimes, not alleged nasty opinions and wrongthink.
Oh, you meant to *stop* crimes?
ydoethur
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