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Re: It’s always the economy, stupid – politicalbetting.com
Meanwhile, this being a Labour government, UK unemployment continues to rise: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98nqe0m008oWell at least nobody can accuse Labour of ignoring its own core supporters
And sometimes words just fail me:
"Annual average earnings growth was 3.9% for the private sector and 7.6% for the public sector, across the three-month period."
HYUFD
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Re: It’s always the economy, stupid – politicalbetting.com
Meanwhile, this being a Labour government, UK unemployment continues to rise: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c98nqe0m008o
And sometimes words just fail me:
"Annual average earnings growth was 3.9% for the private sector and 7.6% for the public sector, across the three-month period."
And sometimes words just fail me:
"Annual average earnings growth was 3.9% for the private sector and 7.6% for the public sector, across the three-month period."
DavidL
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Re: Will Bonnie Blue get the voters coming to support Reform? – politicalbetting.com
Do it properly:I'm guessing this is allowed though as it's under the pizza?No photos of this delicious treat, then?New PB policy:PBers note, that rules out photos of pizzas with pineapple on them.
Additional photos are acceptable is they are of food you cooked yourself, that is delicious, and which are accompanied by a recipe.

Re: It’s always the economy, stupid – politicalbetting.com
One of the issues with tariffs that tends to get underplayed is that domestic firms will tend to raise their prices if foreign competitors get hit by tariffs.
So: imagine that there are currently two suppliers of widgets, each costing $5.00, and one is domestic and the other foreign.
Tariffs put $2 on the price of imported widgets, and so people might thing the domestic producer would now sell twice as many widgets for $5.
What actually happens is that the domestic producer raises their price to $6.99, and -price elasticity being what it is- sells 1.5x as many widgets, but at 40% more per widget.
That is profit maximizing behaviour for the widget manufacturer but shows up in higher prices for everyone.
So: imagine that there are currently two suppliers of widgets, each costing $5.00, and one is domestic and the other foreign.
Tariffs put $2 on the price of imported widgets, and so people might thing the domestic producer would now sell twice as many widgets for $5.
What actually happens is that the domestic producer raises their price to $6.99, and -price elasticity being what it is- sells 1.5x as many widgets, but at 40% more per widget.
That is profit maximizing behaviour for the widget manufacturer but shows up in higher prices for everyone.
rcs1000
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Re: Will Bonnie Blue get the voters coming to support Reform? – politicalbetting.com
They each constitute a superficially appealing offer for the kind of men who struggle to get laid, and neither will rest until they've fucked the whole country.
Re: Will Bonnie Blue get the voters coming to support Reform? – politicalbetting.com
Ah, another sighting of schrodingers economy which is similtaneously booming because of Brexit and crippled by this government continuing the economic policies of the last government.There is no such consensus in terms of the economic cost of leaving the EU - I have seen numbers from a 2% improvement to a 10-12% drop,, and even if there were it wouldn't make any sense (not for the first time in a consensus of economists).Fishing reckons a possible 3% improvement in GDP through efficiency savings. This compares with the consensus by economists that leaving the EU has had a 6% to 8% hit to GDP so far due to loss of trade, investment and productivity. They aren't either/or. You can reduce welfare and stay in your most important market.If trade within the EU is so awesome, how come their growth is not rocketing?By "completely wrong" I think you mean "doesn't agree with my priors".Worth a read, the Economist leader, for those of you able to access Economist articles (limited monthly access or £):The Economist is completely wrong - European economic integration might do a tiny bit to boost economic growth, but it be lost in the noise, especially for this country. It would inevitably focus on manufactured goods, which are not where we have a comparative advantage, because liberalising services is much more difficult, both practically and politically, and services are less likely to be traded. Trade with the EU is a relatively small part of our economy - exports to the EU are only about 13% of GDP. And liberalising trade with the EU comes with all sorts of constraints on sovereignty, which are exactly what made Brexit more than a fringe movement in the first place, and was perhaps the second biggest factor, after immigration, in the rise of UKIP/Reform.
https://www.economist.com/leaders/2025/12/11/can-anyone-stop-europes-populist-right
The doctrines of the populist right do indeed contain much to condemn. Yet talking about them in apocalyptic terms is doomed to fail. For their own sake, and for the good of their countries, mainstream politicians and their supporters urgently need a different approach.
If demonisation is failing, what is the alternative? The answer starts with that impatience for change which the populist right harnesses so successfully—and which this newspaper shares.
For Britain, France and Germany, European economic integration is the most obvious source of growth. Yet the populists are set on a collision course with the European Union, which would lead to growth-destroying degradation of the single market. On other issues, populists latch onto discontent, but propose solutions that are foolish.
If mainstream politicians spend it shrilly demonising populists, they will doubtless make themselves feel better, but they will not help their countries. They would be wiser to subject governments-in-waiting to the democratic scrutiny they deserve.
The most obvious way to boost growth is to focus on competitiveness throughout the economy - deregulating product and labour markets, getting malingerers off welfare and reducing the size of the public sector. Just cutting size of the state by 3% of GDP, reversing the planned increases since Labour took power, should increase GDP by 2-3% over the long run, more if it's done in a pro-growth way, and much more than any realistic boost from closer ties with the EU, whatever the more absurd studies say.
Mind you, we are all guilty of that.
It might help, but it’s not a panacea for the U.K.
Any economic cost to us from leaving the EU must be primarily because of reduced exports to the EU, or secondarily because of reduced investment associated with such exports. Any other effects are almost certain to be trivial Exports to the EU accounted for 12% or so of our GDP when we left the EU. To reduce our GDP by 6-8% directly would have meant that we had lost one half to two thirds of those exports. In fact, our exports to the EU have grown slightly since we left. Even allowing for multiplier effects, the idea that our GDP has been reduced sufficiently by leaving the EU is ridiculous.
One could, of course, argue that our exports to the EU and therefore our GDP would have shot up had we remained in the EU, and that is sort of the implication of the NBER and LSE research, though they are wise enough not to state that explicitly. But that doesn't really make sense either, because exports to a block are largely determined by its GDP growth, and the EU's GDP growth over the past decade has been dismal. So it is inconceivable that our exports would have increased by enough to account for anything like a 6-8% drop in GDP.
So the more extreme estimates for the economic cost of leaving the EU have no basis in reality.
My own estimate, derived with colleagues, is about 0.5-1.5% of GDP, mostly from delayed investment due to the delay in leaving the EU. But then you need to offset other factors such as the end of our huge net contributions to the EU and our ability to determine our own regulations and trade agreements. So overall it probably hasn't made much difference, certainly compared to the astonishing incoherence and incompetence of the current government's economic policies.
Foxy
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Re: Will Bonnie Blue get the voters coming to support Reform? – politicalbetting.com

Placki (or latkes) for Hanukkah
Grate potato and some onion. Put this mixture into a tea towel and squeeze out as much liquid as you can. Add some eggs and a bit of flour (doesn't really matter what sort). Form into pancakes and fry. (Hanukkah requires fried food.) Serve with soured cream.
Re: Will Bonnie Blue get the voters coming to support Reform? – politicalbetting.com
Which reminds me of this classic cartoon:@neuropsychophd.bsky.social"A team of psychi... psycholo... A team of brain experts have assessed me - experts in there field - independent, TOP BRAIN PEOPLE...
As we wrote in 2024:
Hare Psychopathy Checklist:
“Perfect” score for total psychopath = 40
Average score in general population = 5
Average score for someone in maximum security prison = 22
Donald J. Trump = 34
https://bsky.app/profile/neuropsychophd.bsky.social/post/3ma2b36ndhk2e
And I SMASHED IT!
I scored HIGHER than any other President EVER!!"

Foxy
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Re: Will Bonnie Blue get the voters coming to support Reform? – politicalbetting.com
The BMA could have delayed the strike action to January . Refusing to do this will turn even more of the public against them .I think the history of the BMA shows they really are not interested in what is best for healthcare, no matter how much they might pretend. I am reminded that in 2008 they voted against increasing the number of places for doctors at medical school because they didn't want an overproduction of doctors that might limit career opportunities. They have also recently voted against increasing online bookings and consultations for GPs.
I was fully supportive of their strikes before they received the pay award when Labour came into office now I’m totally disgusted with their actions.
Re: Will Bonnie Blue get the voters coming to support Reform? – politicalbetting.com
No photos of this delicious treat, then?New PB policy:PBers note, that rules out photos of pizzas with pineapple on them.
Additional photos are acceptable is they are of food you cooked yourself, that is delicious, and which are accompanied by a recipe.




