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Yet part of Lord Hodge's ruling states:

"But we counsel against reading this judgement as a triumph of one or more groups in our society at the expense of another, it is not."

He added that the legislation gives transgender people "protection, not only against discrimination through the protected characteristic of gender reassignment, but also against direct discrimination, indirect discrimination and harassment in substance in their acquired gender".

An important caveat which seems to have been ignored by those setting a triumphalist tone

It's not a caveat for this reason. Trans people have not lost a single legal right as a result of this judgment. The issue has always been about the GRA's effect on women's rights. It was women who risked losing rights and if the appeal had been dismissed do you really imagine those arguing for that would not have been triumphalist. Women have had to fight for the best part of a decade for this judgment and have been treated like shit by the Scottish political establishment and many in all the other main parties too. They have been insulted and smeared and attacked verbally and physically. They are entitled to feel triumphant. And if you listened to the words of those who brought this appeal you would know that they have said that it is right that transgender people should have the rights they do.

What this judgment does is to say that there is no hierarchy of rights and that trans people are not entitled to special privileges no other group has nor to the protections given to those other groups for good reason nor to deprive them of those protections.

It has restored the equality between all those groups as set out in the ... er ... Equality Act.

That so many activists are now throwing their toys out of their pram because they can't breach women's boundaries, because the SC has said that "No means No" should tell you what this fight has really been about.

Just popping in from Purgatory to say

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Do not ever mess with angry women who know their stuff. And we do. We really do.

I see that Harriet Harman has already started misconstruing what the judgment says and means, just like people did with Forstater. Well, I and others will have something to say about that and we're not going to let her and others get away with yet more lies about what the law says.

Meanwhile I'm having blood tests for my heart. And some sort of heart scan will be needed. To find out if there is some sort of heart failure. Well, I'd bloody well like to know that too - and preferably before I die of boredom - or it - waiting to be told. Am on limited fluid intake so I have to pee in a blasted bedpan. Still waiting for the breast surgeons to see me and tell me that I have cancer or some other nastiness which seems to have shown up on the CT scan in my lymph nodes and which is what the doctors have been going on about since Sunday night and it is now Wednesday evening. Meanwhile I'm running out of knickers.

But apart from that it's all absolutely fucking peachy .......

Hope you get the all clear @Cyclefree, and yes completely agree with this sentiment. Congratulations to all the women who fought for this and won against all odds. A unanimous decision from the supreme court is an astonishing vindication for them and at some level this ruling changes my view of staying in the UK long term as the father of a daughter. The thought of boys invading girls facilities and sports in schools was playing on my mind a lot.

It's time for the government to get clear with all departments, sports and businesses to clear out all of the nonsense. Women's spaces should once again be reserved for actual women, not men who play dress up so they can perve on girls and women.

I hope that Fife Council reassess their treatment of nurse Sandie Peggie.
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/5223082/nhs-fife-sandie-peggie-tribunal-supreme-court-ruling/

The Lib Dem’s are unhappy.

Perhaps the large donation the party received from one of the companies which manufactures puberty blockers might be relevant to their stance.

Just popping in from Purgatory to say

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Do not ever mess with angry women who know their stuff. And we do. We really do.

I see that Harriet Harman has already started misconstruing what the judgment says and means, just like people did with Forstater. Well, I and others will have something to say about that and we're not going to let her and others get away with yet more lies about what the law says.

Meanwhile I'm having blood tests for my heart. And some sort of heart scan will be needed. To find out if there is some sort of heart failure. Well, I'd bloody well like to know that too - and preferably before I die of boredom - or it - waiting to be told. Am on limited fluid intake so I have to pee in a blasted bedpan. Still waiting for the breast surgeons to see me and tell me that I have cancer or some other nastiness which seems to have shown up on the CT scan in my lymph nodes and which is what the doctors have been going on about since Sunday night and it is now Wednesday evening. Meanwhile I'm running out of knickers.

But apart from that it's all absolutely fucking peachy .......

Hope you get the all clear @Cyclefree, and yes completely agree with this sentiment. Congratulations to all the women who fought for this and won against all odds. A unanimous decision from the supreme court is an astonishing vindication for them and at some level this ruling changes my view of staying in the UK long term as the father of a daughter. The thought of boys invading girls facilities and sports in schools was playing on my mind a lot.

It's time for the government to get clear with all departments, sports and businesses to clear out all of the nonsense. Women's spaces should once again be reserved for actual women, not men who play dress up so they can perve on girls and women.

Yet part of Lord Hodge's ruling states:

"But we counsel against reading this judgement as a triumph of one or more groups in our society at the expense of another, it is not."

He added that the legislation gives transgender people "protection, not only against discrimination through the protected characteristic of gender reassignment, but also against direct discrimination, indirect discrimination and harassment in substance in their acquired gender".

An important caveat which seems to have been ignored by those setting a triumphalist tone

It's not a caveat for this reason. Trans people have not lost a single legal right as a result of this judgment. The issue has always been about the GRA's effect on women's rights. It was women who risked losing rights and if the appeal had been dismissed do you really imagine those arguing for that would not have been triumphalist. Women have had to fight for the best part of a decade for this judgment and have been treated like shit by the Scottish political establishment and many in all the other main parties too. They have been insulted and smeared and attacked verbally and physically. They are entitled to feel triumphant. And if you listened to the words of those who brought this appeal you would know that they have said that it is right that transgender people should have the rights they do.

What this judgment does is to say that there is no hierarchy of rights and that trans people are not entitled to special privileges no other group has nor to the protections given to those other groups for good reason nor to deprive them of those protections.

It has restored the equality between all those groups as set out in the ... er ... Equality Act.

That so many activists are now throwing their toys out of their pram because they can't breach women's boundaries, because the SC has said that "No means No" should tell you what this fight has really been about.

At the heart of the whole thing, and almost certainly at the risk of oversimplifying it all, but it seems to me if certain institutions hadn't tried to deliberately conflate sex with gender and accepted that they were always different, then a lot of this could have been avoided.

People should be allowed to do whatever the fuck they want with their own gender, and it only really becomes a problem when they, and/or others treat gender as a direct proxy for biological sex, which should and must be respected as being an entirely different kettle of fish.

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Evening all.

The interesting thing about today's judgement is that it is being portrayed as the Supreme Court defining what a woman is, where as actually it is the Supreme Court defining what the Equality Act says a woman is. There's nothing to stop Parliament from amending the act, but will the parties support doing so?

Con and Ref - clear no
Lab - some of the activists will want it, but can't see Starmer touching with a bargepole
SNP - sounds like still yes
Green (Eng/Wal) and LD - ???

Labour will do whatever it thinks its phantom red wall voters want, just like it’s doing with Trump.

Amidst all the triumphalism I hope at least a handful of MPs from whichever party will find it in their hearts to remember that trans people are human beings too, and not join the ranks of those who would have 2+2 equal 5 and say transgender people are just deluded and mentally ill, or “pretending”.

Because that is the undercurrent. I seem to be in a minority of 1 here in having any qualms about this, probably because I’m a “Lib Dem twat”, but there you have it.

Not a minority of one.

No, there are a few of us.
But I don’t see much point on getting in an argument with the triumphalists - or those who appear happy to call my son mentally ill.

I have been busy all day so haven't had time to read the full judgement.

I don't have issues with restricting Trans-athletes if a sports governing body believes it appropriate, nor for certain spaces to be segregated by sex if that is proportional.

What I do want is for Trans-people to be socially accepted in their identity, and supported to live full lives. Most importantly I want them to be treated with compassion and respect.

Watching Ch4 get excited that JD Vance might give the UK a trade deal 'Because President Trump feels a strong connection with the UK and the Queen' is making me feel nauseous

Can Starmer resist crawling on all fours and tell them to go f*** themselves?

Why is it bad that the Monarchy is advancing this country's interests by wielding its soft power? That is what it is there for. The former republican Trotskyite/Corbyn/God knows what Starmer should take full advantage.

The late Queen was about the only person in the democratic world who could keep Trump in his place. She served this country for seventy years when she was alive, and is still apparently doing wonders from beyond the grave. Even Joe "God Save the Queen, Man" Biden, no friend to this country, said it was a privilege to have met her.

We were truly lucky to have had her.

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Evening all.

The interesting thing about today's judgement is that it is being portrayed as the Supreme Court defining what a woman is, where as actually it is the Supreme Court defining what the Equality Act says a woman is. There's nothing to stop Parliament from amending the act, but will the parties support doing so?

Con and Ref - clear no
Lab - some of the activists will want it, but can't see Starmer touching with a bargepole
SNP - sounds like still yes
Green (Eng/Wal) and LD - ???

Labour will do whatever it thinks its phantom red wall voters want, just like it’s doing with Trump.

Amidst all the triumphalism I hope at least a handful of MPs from whichever party will find it in their hearts to remember that trans people are human beings too, and not join the ranks of those who would have 2+2 equal 5 and say transgender people are just deluded and mentally ill, or “pretending”.

Because that is the undercurrent. I seem to be in a minority of 1 here in having any qualms about this, probably because I’m a “Lib Dem twat”, but there you have it.

Not a minority of one.

No, there are a few of us.
But I don’t see much point on getting in an argument with the triumphalists - or those who appear happy to call my son mentally ill.

Evening all.

The interesting thing about today's judgement is that it is being portrayed as the Supreme Court defining what a woman is, where as actually it is the Supreme Court defining what the Equality Act says a woman is. There's nothing to stop Parliament from amending the act, but will the parties support doing so?

Con and Ref - clear no
Lab - some of the activists will want it, but can't see Starmer touching with a bargepole
SNP - sounds like still yes
Green (Eng/Wal) and LD - ???

Labour will do whatever it thinks its phantom red wall voters want, just like it’s doing with Trump.

Amidst all the triumphalism I hope at least a handful of MPs from whichever party will find it in their hearts to remember that trans people are human beings too, and not join the ranks of those who would have 2+2 equal 5 and say transgender people are just deluded and mentally ill, or “pretending”.

Because that is the undercurrent. I seem to be in a minority of 1 here in having any qualms about this, probably because I’m a “Lib Dem twat”, but there you have it.

Just popping in from Purgatory to say

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Do not ever mess with angry women who know their stuff. And we do. We really do.

I see that Harriet Harman has already started misconstruing what the judgment says and means, just like people did with Forstater. Well, I and others will have something to say about that and we're not going to let her and others get away with yet more lies about what the law says.

Meanwhile I'm having blood tests for my heart. And some sort of heart scan will be needed. To find out if there is some sort of heart failure. Well, I'd bloody well like to know that too - and preferably before I die of boredom - or it - waiting to be told. Am on limited fluid intake so I have to pee in a blasted bedpan. Still waiting for the breast surgeons to see me and tell me that I have cancer or some other nastiness which seems to have shown up on the CT scan in my lymph nodes and which is what the doctors have been going on about since Sunday night and it is now Wednesday evening. Meanwhile I'm running out of knickers.

But apart from that it's all absolutely fucking peachy .......

That all sounds really rubbish. Hope they can trace - and sort! - the problem soon.

Just popping in from Purgatory to say

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Do not ever mess with angry women who know their stuff. And we do. We really do.

I see that Harriet Harman has already started misconstruing what the judgment says and means, just like people did with Forstater. Well, I and others will have something to say about that and we're not going to let her and others get away with yet more lies about what the law says.

Meanwhile I'm having blood tests for my heart. And some sort of heart scan will be needed. To find out if there is some sort of heart failure. Well, I'd bloody well like to know that too - and preferably before I die of boredom - or it - waiting to be told. Am on limited fluid intake so I have to pee in a blasted bedpan. Still waiting for the breast surgeons to see me and tell me that I have cancer or some other nastiness which seems to have shown up on the CT scan in my lymph nodes and which is what the doctors have been going on about since Sunday night and it is now Wednesday evening. Meanwhile I'm running out of knickers.

But apart from that it's all absolutely fucking peachy .......

Hope you get the all clear @Cyclefree, and yes completely agree with this sentiment. Congratulations to all the women who fought for this and won against all odds. A unanimous decision from the supreme court is an astonishing vindication for them and at some level this ruling changes my view of staying in the UK long term as the father of a daughter. The thought of boys invading girls facilities and sports in schools was playing on my mind a lot.

It's time for the government to get clear with all departments, sports and businesses to clear out all of the nonsense. Women's spaces should once again be reserved for actual women, not men who play dress up so they can perve on girls and women.

I hope that Fife Council reassess their treatment of nurse Sandie Peggie.
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/politics/5223082/nhs-fife-sandie-peggie-tribunal-supreme-court-ruling/

The Lib Dem’s are unhappy.

I don't think that's the official party tbf, just some nutcase account run by an activist.

Scottish Lib Dems have gone a bit quiet. Mind, so have Scottish Labour.

SNP’s Anas Sarwar was always on women’s side.

https://x.com/anassarwar/status/1912577587278143984?s=61

I didn’t realise the SNP had an Anas Sarwar as well. Is he related to the Labour Anas Sarwar?